Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)
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OK, kai and Mastin (stop with posting that way, I stopped reading them, so you won't get me convinced or something) seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.
vote Magnus
I can also see the case against Lamont, and the way (ad hom) he reacted after that makes him even more scummy, but I don't know how he plays, so could he be town that messes up?-
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Lets get this straight: death gods don't seem the good guys to me. I don't think scum would claim them, this early. It just doesn't happen often. Third party, with some different wincon, is also not town.PhilyEc wrote:
Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat, obviously people didnt like it (Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason). Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.mykonian wrote:he claimed third party, yes, I call that different. We agree on that. I'm still thinking what it means.
If hes telling the truth, he really shoud've waited >_>
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well read. One reason why I didn't continue it at all. But before people think I haven't read it, and lurk, I commented on it, and then continued doing more important things. Some people seem to consider not voting in your first posts a scumtell. So basically, it doesn't say a thing, and it is an incredibly weak post from me. It only somewhat tells who I believe more likely to be town, and who seem more scummy. But with the activity of some players, I can't say a thing about the game, and that is exactly what you are attacking me on.LlamaFluff wrote:
Nice taking a stance and backing it up early. So MO is scum, and LM is scum. Why did you chose one over the other? This just more seems like a way to be able to easily transition to whoever you feel like.mykonian wrote:OK, kai and Mastin (stop with posting that way, I stopped reading them, so you won't get me convinced or something) seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.
vote Magnus
I can also see the case against Lamont, and the way (ad hom) he reacted after that makes him even more scummy, but I don't know how he plays, so could he be town that messes up?-
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on mastin.
claiming third party is not something normal. Esspecially when it is doubtful the third party is on the bad side. (one reason an SK claim is rather stupid). The fact that Mastin still does it, could maybe tell us something:
Mastin doesn't think town will do him harm. (assumption)
this could mean several things:
Mastin his win condition is not harmful for town, and he can't see why they would hurt him (unlikely seen that Mastin is probably smart enough to think like a towny that doesn't know it)
mastin can't lose: Means his deathnote is worthless, or he doesn't have one (in case a lynch on him doesn't do a thing)
Seen that deathnotes give some kind of power, I don't think that is what is happening here. Therefor, I guess that Mastin doesn't have a deathnote.Mastin, am I right?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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mastin, I'm pretty sure, that you are capable of posting shorter, less quote invested posts.
This has also to do with your quoting everything. Just select what is usefull. The previous post isn't going to be read by a lot of people, so you are playing antitown.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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duh. I reread enough games to know that!ZEEnon wrote:Just do what I do and just skim it.
but what mastin is effectively doing, and what some players have in their playstyle (yes, I'm partly guilty), is that they quench the town. The amount of posting doesn't help, tells get lost, from everyone. If you think my posts are to short though, please tell me-
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myk defended that he didn't make a strong post at that time, and also didn't have strong feelings, something Llama thought a scumtell. Myk doubts it is, as it was one of his first posts, and it was on page five, with a lot of people not posting. The post should be read as a first conclusion on the read, that won't really affect myk's coming play.
In fact, I could just as easily unvote now, because magnus has not been extraordinarily scummy in the pages afterward. But I absolutely don't see the use of that (it could be argued that my vote is also useless), and it would be a good idea to wait with doing anything till the sun again comes up.-
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1. Ctrl-F tells me that "myk", or "mykonian" was only used in your vote. As I am now, with reading I could have missed it, but I don't think you made a point against me.semioldguy wrote:
1. I already mentioned one point against him, which I guess you missed. I'll post my case on him before the day is over, and if my case contradicts the point in time my vote was placed on him, then you can call me out on it.Mastin wrote:
1: You failed to state your case on Myk,Vote: mykonian
2: This is hypocritical, for you're starting a bandwagon on Myk, an easy wagon as well.
2. How is it any easy wagon?
2. Mastin knows. Plus that you are just bandwagonning.-
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ah, ok. Well, I can't defend that I'm on one of them. But, esspecially as I have already mentioned twice that this vote isn't going to be there when I finally find a good place for it, I think you are a bit too worried about magnus.semioldguy wrote:
The 'find' function does not answer all. I say in that post that I think it would be easy for scum to slip on the wagons of the three players I mention. You are on one of those wagons. And I will start with you.mykonian wrote:1. Ctrl-F tells me that "myk", or "mykonian" was only used in your vote. As I am now, with reading I could have missed it, but I don't think you made a point against me.
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@Llama. Yes, I really get drowned in this game. I have people that I think are more likely to be town, based on how they post (Kairyuu, KMD, You), I have ones that are more likely scum, based on things like ad hom, (lamont).
I think Mastin didn't make up his story, and is now saying it was not serious, something that makes me think we should actually lynch him. The way he posted in the start, it seemed weird. This made me think that he was shinigami, but not in danger/not harmful to town. Now he tried to say he was simple town, and I don't buy it. But mastin confuses me a lot, and it is practically impossible to get a read on him.
Zeenon and Zazie? I have no idea.
Forgot Magnus again, didn't I? Well, his reaction on Mastin is not that strong, he plays a bit weird, so I can see what is happening there. But, lately, he doesn't really stand out to me.
Now you know about what I think, and I think the most important person, because of the claim, should be Mastin, but, while my vote on Magnus doesn't hurt, and could only be used to pressure Magnus by someone else, a vote on Mastin should be used more careful, I think, as it is later in the game, and should be a serious, and well reasoned vote. But if it makes you happy, I couldunvote. Do you have any questions about what I think?Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Sorry. I'll scratch it then. I thought you acted a bit aggressive (language, not play)Lamont_Cranston wrote:mykonian wrote:I have ones that are more likely scum, based on things like ad hom, (lamont).Pardon, but this was already refuted pages ago. It appeared that I had been killed by a day-vig shot and I criticized aplay-stylethat would support such an action. I understand how you may of missed this as certain people have pushed this kool-aid of an idea.-
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Phily, as the rules state that their death note will be destroyed, and we agree that a deathnote is something you want to keep, it should not be save for a shinigami to claim:unless he has no deathnote, or some other less likely situation. It is not a scum-move, as we have to destroy those deathnotes, also from shinigami.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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mastin, is this true? because I thought you didn't claim this way...Budja wrote:Ok read about 1/2, skimmed the rest, it is exam-study week for me so I may have limited time here.
On Mastin:
He claims to be a shinigami without a deathnote. This makes his early gambit make perfect sense to me. If he can't be affected by a lynch/kill then he has absolutly nothing to lose by claiming.
The only part that I don't like is that he claims he is town-aligned (death-notes burn if he gets one), which sound usual for a shinigami.
I don't think lynching mastin is a good idea at all. If he is indeed unkillable, then it is a waste.
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ok, I think we can savely assume this was a protown move. While a deathnote could give such a death, guns would also. It is probably protown, because, seen Mastin's role, scum wouldn't kill him, he was suspected enough.
even more protown, we will probably get easier rereads after this scum can't hide that easily anymore!Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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I think there are a lot of cops, following this reasoning. And this vig, gives us information. Who were trying to lynch Mastin, who stayed of his wagon, but did tend to go that way, who were attacking him, who defending etc.Benmage wrote:Yeah but he was day vig'd than as suggested, and coulda been lynched...bad play imo, if he was cop why not try and stay off radar a little and get some investigations in.
Bad play imo.
our lynch will probably get much better because of this, so don't be so hard on the vig, he shot someone who was suspicious, and messed up. There are way worse targets for a dayvig.-
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esspecially because a lot of players haven't even commented a lot on the game. we are effectively drowning a lot of players in posts, this game moves quite fast. This is of course a great excuse for scum not to comment a lot on the gameLamont_Cranston wrote:Really, Zee? With crap play like that I would suspect more mafi off the wagon than on...-
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I bet you have read my reasoning. Mastin was not someone likely to be killed by scum. His play seemed a mess, and could lead to a mislynch. Someone even said that that mislynch should have been the way Mastin died (we disagree, I forgot who was it.). Further, he enabled scum to come with the excuse of having to read too much. Scum benefitted a lot from him. thats why this is likely done by someone from town who suspected him.Spolium wrote:A thought occurs - what if the death notes can be used by day?
It seems reasonable to assume that since the town's objective is to destroy the death notes (notall the scum), the scum require death notes to perform kills and cannot do so without them. This disadvantage would necessitate a counterbalance, and IMO balance could be achieved through either:
1. 2-3 death notes attainable by scum
2. no restriction on the time at which death notes can be used
3. both of the above
So I'm not especially sure that a town-aligned vig was responsible for Mastin's death.-
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I claimed cop in a game too, but I didn't get modkilled. A mod who can't take a roleclaim, is a bad mod. And guess what, that is not true for who are modding this game. Crappy reason, to further assume on only this that Mastin is town, and continue from that.Kise wrote:Kise wrote:I put my trust in Mastin because IF he was mafia or Shinigami, he would have been modkilled for claiming those roles.
So, if I want to claim scum, mod can't force me not to do that: as it would break the game. You are absolutely out of your mind if you think a claim would make a modkill necessary.-
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I think I know what rule you are talking about, but wasn't that about communication inside the thread that couldn't be understood by people who wouldn't know how to read it?Kise wrote:
Rules are there for a reason. The rules in this game state that you are not permitted to make any kind of RC, NC, or hints that would blatantly confirm your position. But I guess it's not too blatant if only Kai(?) and myself picked up on it. Either way, I'm not changing the reason why I believed Mastin to be pro-town, because it's the only reason.mykonian wrote:So, if I want to claim scum, mod can't force me not to do that: as it would break the game. You are absolutely out of your mind if you think a claim would make a modkill necessary.
Just because you claimed cop in another game and got away with it does not mean that the same prohibitions applied in that game. It's common to be allowed to RC in most games, but HERE, in Death Note Mafia, the rules say not to do anything that will break the game.
Yes, I do find it reasonable that any form of a claim in THIS game SHOULD warrant some kind of punishment.-
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About Kise
He assumes in a post that Mastin is town, before that was known, and attacks players from that position. When questioned, he claims that that rule makes that Mastin must be town, because he isn't modkilled. Kise seems to be one of very few people (1, as I count) that misunderstood that rule that way. It is just a weak excuse for his mistake.
because Kise already seemed to know Mastin was town. He just forgot that he couldn't tell us.
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that was obviously directed at the part where he explains it to Kise.ZazieR wrote:Post 457
This post is really scummy.
Look at the post above this one, from Magnus. It criticises (or how you spell it >.<) the Kise wagon. The wagon Myko is part of. Yet, Myko does nothing to explain why it's a good wagon according to him.
Add that he also was a player who said to look at the Mastin voters, yet didn't do so.
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@orto. I asked Mastin if he had a deathnote, because of this reasoning:
Mastin is not a fool
Mastin claimed shinigami
shinigami could easily have a deathnote
claiming shinigami is practically a scumclaim.
because mastin is not a fool, he couldn't be hurt by the claim, and doesn't have a deathnote.
I ended the post with asking confirmation of my reasoning.
and I hoped, and think, that without Mastin, it is not that easy for scum to say that they can't read the posts, and just stay out of the thread.
@lamont. If I read you correctly, Kise more often doesn't understand the rules/plays a little weird, and it can't be that he uses it as an excuse for his mistake?-
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I don't know what your wincondition is, but I want deathnotes to be destroyed. Lynching a person with a deathnote would generally do this. Claiming that you are likely to have a deathnote, means that you are a target of my win condition. as in: scum.Spolium wrote:
Further reason to consider Mastin's death being the work of scum.myk wrote:Mastin claimed shinigami
shinigami could easily have a deathnote
Please expand upon this.myk wrote:claiming shinigami is practically a scumclaim-
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It doesn't seem to me that he understands that we have to destroy deathnotes, and if he was town, he would know that was his wincondition.ZazieR wrote:
Why is this a slip? (clarifiaction purposes, because if I think correctly what you mean, it's not)mykonian wrote:
scumslip. Really, it won't get more obvious.Spolium wrote:
Why would a Shinigami with a deathnote be very foolish to claim, Budja?Budja wrote:I thought exactly the same as myk when I saw Mastin's claim. A shinigami with a death-note would be very foolish to claim.unvote vote Spolium-
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based on the story, it wouldn't be weird that they would have a deathnote.ZazieR wrote:
Bolded is unknown:mykonian wrote:@orto. I asked Mastin if he had a deathnote, because of this reasoning:
Mastin is not a fool
Mastin claimed shinigami
shinigami could easily have a deathnote
claiming shinigami is practically a scumclaim.
because mastin is not a fool, he couldn't be hurt by the claim, and doesn't have a deathnote.
I ended the post with asking confirmation of my reasoning.
and I hoped, and think, that without Mastin, it is not that easy for scum to say that they can't read the posts, and just stay out of the thread.
@lamont. If I read you correctly, Kise more often doesn't understand the rules/plays a little weird, and it can't be that he uses it as an excuse for his mistake?This game contains Shinigami. Shinigami are powerful, invincible neutral roles with unique win conditions. Shinigami cannot be lynched or killed. If they would be lynched, instead their rolename is revealed, they lose their Death Note if they possess one as per the rules above, and the game continues as normal (the day still ends). If they would be killed, the same is true except that their rolename is not revealed.-
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spolium seems not to understand that claiming you might have a deathnote gets you lynched. (= scumclaim)Budja wrote:Well I losing their deathnote is most likely bad for a shinigami and the mod said shinigami may or may not have a deathnote.
Considering Mastin was encouraging attacks on himself, and the fact that being a shinigami isn't very pro-town by itself lead me to believe that Mastin had nothing to lose from a lynch, i.e no deadnote.
@Myk, how is Spolium's question a scumslip?
zazie points out he did know it was the wincondition of the town, but his thinking there doesn't show that.-
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that we wouldn't mislynch. In his answer, Mastin claimed to be normal town, not shinigami, what had been my assumption.ortolan wrote:
What did you stand to gain by confirming this?myk (553) wrote: Mastin is not a fool
Mastin claimed shinigami
shinigami could easily have a deathnote
claiming shinigami is practically a scumclaim.
because mastin is not a fool, he couldn't be hurt by the claim, and doesn't have a deathnote.-
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assuming death notes are powerful thingsGelus wrote:Rules and Information- In this game, it is possible to obtain a Death Note in several ways. If a player possessing a Death Note is lynched, a random member of the lynch mob receives the Death Note. If a player possessing a Death Note is killed, the killer (if there are multiple killers, one is chosen at random) receives the Death Note.
- The town win condition is to destroy all Death Notes. Any protown player that obtains a Death Note will automatically destroy it.
- This game contains Shinigami. Shinigami are powerful, invincible neutral roles with unique win conditions. Shinigami cannot be lynched or killed. If they would be lynched, instead their rolename is revealed, they lose their Death Note if they possess one as per the rules above, and the game continues as normal (the day still ends). If they would be killed, the same is true except that their rolename is not revealed.
and assuming that the majority of the players is town,
then why would shinigami want to lose their death note, if they have one? Lynching them would likely destroy the note (most players will be town on the wagon). But you seem not to have concluded you had to lynch people with deathnotes.
no, the thing you were mostly talking about, was that the deathnote could be transferred to scum.
this means, that you are not thinking as town should. You are not busy with the towns goals, you are thinking as scum.-
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iso post 38:
and 39Mastin wrote:Myk's correct. I claimed in the Random Voting Stage as a joke.
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I'm not normal. People should know this by now. I'm a, umm, special kind of scum hunter.Myk wrote:claiming third party is not something normal.
I will not state why, but this is partially true. (It involves reactions to my claim, the difference between a pro-town and pro-scum reaction. To state why would nullify the reasoning involved.)Mastin doesn't think town will do him harm. (assumption)
The second I begin to possess a deathnote, the deathnote is burned. I'm a member of the town.Therefor, I guess that Mastin doesn't have a deathnote. Mastin, am I right?
But, yes, you're correct; I do not have one.
in general. And I assume the deathnotes kill, giving you a power. Normally people wouldn't give powers away. So the assumption is that they don't want to lose it, as a deathnote seems to be powerful. I already told I didn't base this on anything, that's why it is an assumption.Spolium wrote:Myk, why do you think Shinigami don't want to lose their notes? What evidence do you have to support this?
Are you referring to my question to Budja, or something else?myk wrote:no, the thing you were mostly talking about, was that the deathnote could be transferred to scum.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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Kise defended with the rule confusion thing. after that Lamont unvoted. Before that, I thought it was not very clear why Kise "knew" Mastin was town, and that was obviously the reason to suspect Kise.populartajo wrote:
Thats exactly my point. He knew Kise meta when he attacked him, or am I missing something here?mykonian wrote:Tajo, Lamont already backed off from Kise based on meta, and taking Kise's defence. You must have missed it. Kise also knows he was wrong, as the mod explained the rules.-
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this is a way to attack the people that attack Kise, while the case on Kise makes sense.magnus_orion wrote:Myk is getting a close second for his opportunism.
Myk, who do you think is scum (please name everyone)?
o wait, my vote on spolium is also opportunistic? please point out why.
On this moment, as my vote resembles, I'm quite certain of spolium. He would never have posted this way as town, as I pointed out.
Kise, while the case seems too obvious to be true, still comes at a good second place.
Both cases rely on scumtells that can be picked up by reading a single post, and see what the persons intentions are. This is simply because I can barely get a good read on people because of inactiveness/too much posts. So, I have a lot of null reads, where people that I once accused are in too.
People that I attacked before, on small tells, have mostly, or looked better after that, or were not as scummy as spolium/kise. On this moment I mostly am thinking how I can see Kise as town, seen that Lamont did that.-
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ok, I'll try again. Town wants to lynch people with deathnotes. Spolium can't see that claiming a role that could easily have a deathnote is not a scumclaim.PhilyEc wrote:
As did he, yet your vote stands. Odd.mykonian wrote:I think I explained it somewhere. twice.
Spolium simply hasn't the town win condition in his mind when he is posting that. Also, he is quite talking a lot about mafia gaining deathnotes: it seems important to him.
thats why I say that Spolium is not town. He doesn't think towny, he has scummy motivations.-
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no, the fact that he can't see that a shinigami play makes you a lynch target, means that he doesn't see that he has to lynch people that have a deathnote. This is not something that he explained, just: "he could also not have a deathnote"PhilyEc wrote:
Thats his explanation of his true intention, you misrep'd. Your vote remains still? Either stubborn, blind or scum.mykonian wrote:you know I reacted on the fact that his thoughts were not protown, and that was not the post I reacted on?
Duh, that is what everyone was asking himself. But 2/3 of the shinigami we know had a deathnote, but still, Spolium can't see how the claim endangered Mastin.-
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would you mind if I looked at this later? I'm getting tired now, and you are right, you are getting me confused. I didn't think I made a mistake here, but I need a clear mind to check it.PhilyEc wrote:Budja: I thought exactly the same as myk when I saw Mastin's claim. A shinigami with a death-note would be very foolish to claim.
Spoilum: Why would a Shinigami with a deathnote be very foolish to claim, Budja?
Myk: spolium seems not to understand that claiming you might have a deathnote gets you lynched. (= scumclaim)
Spoilum: The town win condition is common knowledge, I'm afraid. That aside, I asked the question because Budja's post suggested special knowledge about Shinigami.
Myk: no, the thing you were mostly talking about, was that the deathnote could be transferred to scum.
Spoilum: Are you referring to my question to Budja, or something else?
See yet? I doubt you're lying as this is so easily provable, you're just a very confused Spaniard. Spoilum was investigating the backing Budja had for this statement and you take it literally and accuse Spoilum of not having the towns interest at heart to the length that you accuse him of being scum and VOTE for him. He makes it clear what he was doing for your sake and you basically tell him what he was asking for. Stubborn much?-
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from who is this one, as it is after one of mine, but it is certainly not mine (I don't know the phrase "rock the mob opinion away")cateraction wrote:
Wagon? There are 3 votes on him and they are based on a fairly sound reason. You even agree that his reasons are fallacious. Explain.Not buying this kise wagon. Looks really fabricated. Kise's posts show a familiarity with mastin's playstyle. Therefore, being able to judge based on meta alone would be perfectly reasonable. This wagon stinks of opportunistic scum trying to take advantage of the sudden new development (and rock the mob opinion away from analyzing those on the wagon)
Are you saying that he got points, or played an easy "town" card with no real substance as I think? Please clarify. [/quote]yes, he made, by again explaining to Kise an obvious play. Maybe not necessary anymore, but in any way, good that he agreed on that.MO scored easy town points.
we obviously disagree on this one. This is not a softclaim, this is what the towns win condition is. Would you please read your own role pm? Do you agree, or do we have to lynch you?
Softclaim. Scum.myk wrote: I don't know what your wincondition is, but I want deathnotes to be destroyed. Lynching a person with a deathnote would generally do this. Claiming that you are likely to have a deathnote, means that you are a target of my win condition. as in: scum.-
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someone posted the rules. The writer can tell what the cause of death, etc were.magnus_orion wrote:Can you please provide a link to some series reference where this is so? To where maybe even someone cause shooting to be the death?
Are the notes that powerful?
so if you are killed in a car accident, don't blame the bus driver.-
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As far as I know, there were 3 death gods in the story. 2 of them had death notes, 1 was looking for his/hers. Just to say that the story points at the fact that death-gods have likely a deathnote. (that was the point of his reasoning that I tried to discuss)Lamont_Cranston wrote:
Sorry I'm at work but you know this how!??mykonian wrote:Duh, that is what everyone was asking himself. But, but still, Spolium can't see how the claim endangered Mastin.2/3 of the shinigami we know had a deathnote
I can't research right now to se if I'm missing something obvious; i got phone calls...
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it fits well in the story. Why zwet would claim is a big question for me. But I believe him, the claim does make sense.Benmage wrote:
If this is true, I wouldn’t know it…can anyone knowledgeable confirm? Again if he’s not lying… why claim now?LlamaFluff wrote: For zwet, I believe his claim. Ive been half-watching the anime over again since I signed up for this, and it makes a lot of sense sans-lover part of the role. IIRC, the wife started hunting for kira after Mastin died.-
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and thank you phily. You were right.
first spolium ask me to say more about why a shinigami-claim is practically a scumclaim. Then he asks Budja. I overreacted, probably. Didn't really notice he could have asked it as an investigation.
unvote
Kise, I don't consider myself a newby anymore.
BTW, you guys are saying zwet made up this fakeclaim? He is a bit late (or early) with his claim, but I don't think that we should lynch him. He would be a tracker (=helpful), and the theme supports it. We should at least try to get results out of him.Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.-
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so, no, he doesn't read scum to me, because the claim doesn't make sense as scum either, he could have waited. Flavourwise, this claim could be expected, so I think he tells the truth.Starbuck wrote:
But does he read scum for you?mykonian wrote:BTW, you guys are saying zwet made up this fakeclaim? He is a bit late (or early) with his claim, but I don't think that we should lynch him. He would be a tracker (=helpful), and the theme supports it. We should at least try to get results out of him.
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Page one: the only thing that stands out is LC's asking for the mod, and Magnus directing the vig.
page two: zeenon tries to protect Mastin by saying he can't be killed? (zeenon, why? it still would get rid of a potential deathnote)
post 30, LC jokingly agrees with Magnus on letting a vig do the work?
LC ad hom defends against Kai, who is more townlike in my eyes.
Page 4, fresh players. Orto votes LC, but it seems more of a random vote. Orto's post 87 is a jokingly "defense"
On this moment, I'm really doubting there would be a lot scum players out there. Just not a lot that have said something.
Page 5 KMD also directs the vig, on mastin. He votes Benmage for a late random vote.
LC also asks for it. (vig)
I think post 123 by LC (case on Kai) doesn't add a thing. It is just a new opening, hoping that other will follow (not a chance)
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wagon? KMD's vote was the first one... This post can't get worse, I think.Benmage wrote:I signed in to see the rvs 'over' thats no fun, plus i only had time than to skim, and i wanted to post. Trying to wagon already...scummyFoS Kmd
i didn't like his odd claiming in rvs, and his short quoting/mass one-liners is both annoying, and imo a distraction.
Unvote vote Mastin
132 Phily also asks for a vig. People, seriously, since when became it popular to direct the vig?
Page 7 zwet votes mastin, because he never playes this way?
I'm getting nothing out of reading now anymore. I'm most suspicious of Benmage, till now, and I have absolutely no idea why everybody was asking the vig to kill mastin.
Votecount
Kise - 3 (Starbuck, ortolan, populartajo)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,cateraction)
Spolium - 1 (Kmd4390)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
Kairyuu - 1 (Spolium)
ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Benmage,ZazieR, Jebus, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,semioldguy, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc, Lamont_Cranston, mykonian
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
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because apart from Kai, nobody was really convinced he was.ZazieR wrote:
Uhm, no. That was not the reason why Kise was voted, just part of it.mykonian wrote:May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town, while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote.
But if you thought this was the reason why didn't you state any suspicions towards those players who saw Mastin as town besides Kise?
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no, mostly gut reads. Not a lot logic there.ZazieR wrote:@Myko
My question I've asked:
You've explained Mastin, but I don't think you've explained the other two. Could you do so?Zaz wrote:
Can you explain how you got these reads?Myko wrote:OK, kai and Mastin seem town on page 4. Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum, looking for a good place for his vote.
because LC has said in a nice way that Kise can be playing bad/weird. And that he would never make such an excuse (misunderstanding the lies) on purpose.Also, regarding the above quote, I'd like you to explain the following post:
And last but not least. Here, you state that Kise still has a good second place. So how come you're not voting him now?Myko wrote:May I see how I voted for Kise, based on a reasoning where I was included? I thought we voted Kise because he thought Mastin town,while I thought a long time Mastin was shinigami without a deathnote