Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[PhilyEc]

In other news, Mastin is pretty obv-town. Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum

That is tripe. No one is obvtown on page 2. Mastin, stfu, you're spamming way too much content and thats not a good idea for a 26 player game.

Mastin could easily be lying since thats basically the safest claim one can make. Not only that, a true shinigami wouldn't claim so quickly. He claims he did it to lure out scum but the game hadn't even gotten active yet. Mastin = Bullshiter/Stupid Gambiter. Any vigs out there, do murder him, dont know how that works since its an NK but meh.

[onto page 3]

[PhilyEc]

THIS is INCREDIBLY scummy.

Ignoring a player-->HUGE scum tell.

I've been breezing through your comments since you've just been bickering with Magnus. Leaping on the Lamont wagon with that poor an excuse for a vote after trying to dig up a case on Magnus for ages is a leap from one failed case to a new one.

Vote Mastin

[halfway down page 5]

[PhilyEc]

Btw I see both cases from Starbuck against me & Magnus as crap. My case I have addressed. Magnus' case he will have to address but I will say I like his point where he suspects Mastin.

Those players that are "playing along" with Mastin are doing the village harm.

Somebody please QFT the above. Thank you.

Mastin's case is crap but Starbuck has only make a single post, why not ask her some Q's first and see if theres any reasonable observations to be had?

[PhilyEc]

Dislike my style, now? It's got us out of the RVS in less than three pages, and given us a suspect. It works

At this moment, I say it has failed. Of the players who discussed it when I wasn't present, Magnus is the most town.

And I'd like to know why you didn't give any comments regarding Lamont's mod-kill question until Kai started discussing it.

Agreed. Failed. I said earlier, Ill repeat. Mastin, when I'd say only a quarter of the players in the game are aware that its even goin on a 'gambit' like that is useless. I havent even seen 10 people get involved in gameplay so far.

[PhilyEc]

I totally agree with Zwet.

[PhilyEc]

I totally agree with Zwet.

This is a contradiction.

Nuu.. He thinks Mastins acting different to his town play, so do I.

[PhilyEc]

I totally agree with Zwet.

This is a contradiction.

Nuu.. He thinks Mastins acting different to his town play, so do I.

he claimed third party, yes, I call that different. We agree on that. I'm still thinking what it means.

Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat, obviously people didnt like it (Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason). Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.

If hes telling the truth, he really shoud've waited >_>

[PhilyEc]

I'll get back to the discussion between Mastin - Magnus later, because this is what I'm thinking right now >.<

1. AH-LOL.
2. They were bickering, no biggy.

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan,

Mastin

, Starbuck)

Mastin

- 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 3 (mykonian, Seraphim, ZEEnon)
benmage - 1 (Kmd4390)
Kmd4390 - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Not voting:

cateraction

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Kise, Stephoscope, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

So what I need to say to him first is...

So what you're going to suggest to me is...

...that we should go to the task force headquarters together. Whoever makes the first move wins.

[/i]

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[PhilyEc]

[claws at shinigami swinebags]

[PhilyEc]

Holy shit, this game grows pages like dandelions grow in my backyard. Erm, more content later.

I'm watching zazieR v. Zeenon with some interest.
Zeenon, your questioning of mastin faded fairly quickly. Do you no longer think he was being serious? Why?

Zeenon's gameplay is getting dodgy...he seems to be riding the tides of how town has went. Has he added any new content that hasnt already been brought up?

[PhilyEc]

I'm the one who first brought up magnus_orion's constant sways of opinion.
I'm pretty sure i've contributed to this game thus far.
Please explain how my gameplay is dodgy.

I believe Mastins did that, not you. Its his case on Magnus, you in turn repeated that for Mastins when Magnus asked is there any case on him to begin with.

[PhilyEc]

Incorrect.

I swear, this is truly an interesting day for me. I never knew such mind melds were possible.

Zee says what would take me paragraphs and minutes to.

So he voted without making it clear why he did? Thats rather unlike Mastin O_o My bad anyways, thought you were just parroting o.o

[PhilyEc]

So basically Mastin got it easy when Zee made an excuse for him, before we could see if Mastin had legit reasons? I need to re-read al-fuckin-ready ¬_¬

[PhilyEc]

Deathnotes gotta give either Day Kills or Night Kills, Myk. They're powerful tools afterall. Maybe is Mastin is a shinigami, hes got conditions that match up with the anime?

Ryuk needs apples? Rem needs Misa alive and noteless? Sidoh needs to regain HIS deathnote?

[PhilyEc]

Names on quotes for the sake of re-reads dude. I cant memorise anything you're bringing up.

[PhilyEc]

Is one of my posts mentioned in Mastin's post

Nope. Suprising since hes been called a hypocrite and now is yelling the word hypocrisy though, maybe he read your post afterall...

[PhilyEc]

Upon first read, I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another. I think the way this game started, gameplay getting off to a quick start with lots of pages while some players hadn't even posted yet, is probably being taken advantage of by the scum. I'm not used to games with this many players though, so I don't have a good feel for how they typically start.

I think Lamont is town. I think he is playing aggressively, and alerted the mod when he saw what he thought was a violation, but that doesn't mean he's scum. And his OMGUS's don't concern me. I OMGUS all the time as town, because I always think I'm acting so townie that anyone who would want me dead must be scum.

Agreed

[PhilyEc]

Right, so, your logic says that too much content is harmful.

Content-->Material to work with in scum hunting.

So, basically, you think I'm providing too much information in my scum hunting.

That works...HOW?!?

A spammer of posts is someone who gets out a gattling gun, puts a tiny bit of what they need to say into each round while stretching it out into a long post (aka you surgically mutilating posts so you end up quoting about a third of a sentence each time, just bloody quote what post you're address, trim out what isnt towards you.)

You then go on to aim this gattling gun at the game and make 6 pages of irritatingly laidout posts before most of the players can even make it into the game.

This is why I want you to stfu or else fix your gameplay, if you've got something to SAY pile it into one summary and make it clear what you're trying to say about someones post. Afterall, I've seen you twice say that someones said in a paragraph what would take you a page to say. (to Ace in Polygamist and to Zeenon here). I hate having to call this out but its very hard to tell what you're even trying to say for me if its all divided up and no point is being pressed into. This'll become even more of a problem if replacements come into play or people attempt to re-read the game including your posts.

Does that make me more clear? It has nothing to do with alignment, its not making me see you as scummy, its making the game harder to play and revise.

[PhilyEc]

Explain to me how that's a "safe" claim, Phil.

Well the way I see it, to start of a game by saying you're the character that can't be NK'd or lynched. Yes that is a safe move to make and more convincing than if you were forced to tell us this. If you anticipated this would end up happening and decided to tell us now for the sake for your own SAFETY thats pretty much the only reason I can see.

I doubt you caught scum doing it as you suggest when barely anyone was here at the time. Btw, I'm assuming you're searching for a character in this game as one of your role's objectives. This is ano &ther reason why you could've revealed I'm suspicious of why you did it.

(Starting to think your claim is legit already)

Anyway, to claim a Shinigami role when theres at least three (Gem Sidoh and Ryuk) has me thinking this is a safe move compared to claiming town since you're not scum, you're not town's target and you dont need to make your name known (risks being counter claimed). Basically, I'd rather lynch Misa or Kira rather than Ryuk since theyre the ones that can kill of town and objective is the remove town members while not getting lynched =/

Make sense now?

It worked. Lamount has been exposed, possibly Magnus as well.

I'd call that lure a success.

Lamont exposed as an aggresive townie in my eyes. Only Magnus is acting dodgy, still you voted for Magnus instantly and seem to just be throwing the shady acts others bring up upon Magnus into the case you had O-o

Phil's trying to discredit my attempts at scum hunting. (If this is not the case, then how do you explain the "bs'er" part?)

All you did was bicker with Magnus for a couple pages while everyone else was at work and or asleep. I see 3 people agree with you, on Lamount, some may be opportunistic scum, could be the same deal for your wagon. Case is you're made nothing clear. Your scumhunting was a gambit claim and since then all you've been doing is defending yourself and entering agruements with Magnus.

[PhilyEc]

I cannot say Kai is scum but I definately don't get town vibes and I have outlined the case clearly and I have left nothing out of what I don't like in my previous post on page 5.

You did say Kai was scum, though:

Ok folks now that the furious action has lulled, its time for a brief LC overview:

Scum-like

Kairu
Mastin

Case on Kairu to follow.

QFT. Lamont has stuck to his guns and doesnt have multiple answers for every question each time its asked over and over. Hes made it clear what he thinks and I can see hes truely giving this game his best with town at heart. Now to look at whos voting for him.

Magnus, this should be

very

clear to you:

scum-like

=/=

scum

necessarily

.

I will point out again that it is very early, but it is clear that Kai is on the

wrong

side of this argument and I do not yet know why...

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan,

Mastin

, Starbuck)

Mastin

- 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 2 (Seraphim, ZEEnon)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,

semioldguy

)
benmage - 1 (Kmd4390)
ZEEnon - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Not voting:

cateraction

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Kise, Stephoscope, Spolium, WeyounsLastClone, mykonian

Everyone can't be perfect. Everyone lies.

Even so, I'll never tell lies that will hurt people I love.

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[PhilyEc]

EBWOP:...god damnit stupid thingy. Okay my part of this posts stretches from "QTF - him." Imagine it OUTSIDE the quote -.-

Mod: If you could fix that for me it would be most appreciated, if you think its not going to confuse anyone thens don't bother~

Attempted to fix it, but it's confusing me, too.

[PhilyEc]

Anyway, to claim a Shinigami role when theres at least three (Gem Sidoh and Ryuk) has me thinking this is a safe move compared to claiming town since you're not scum, you're not town's target and you dont need to make your name known (risks being counter claimed). Basically, I'd rather lynch Misa or Kira rather than Ryuk since theyre the ones that can kill of town and objective is the remove town members while not getting lynched =/

Sorry, could you please flesh this out a bit?

Yeah gimme a sec, I kinda confused myself because now I think hes telling the truth and wanting someone in this game to know hes one of at least 3 possible Shinigami.

If hes Ryuk, hes looking for Light,
If hes Rem, hes looking for Misa,
If hes Sidoh, hes looking for Mello,

Those three humans have deathnotes at the moment in my opinion, this is all theory though.

I think its a safe move because,
Claiming right off the bat instead of being forced seems more believable, claiming third role if forced is hardly believable, but here no one but who he wants to know , knows hes a shinigami (aka Light, Misa, Mello.)

You can disregard the rest since I dont think hes scum making a move to look third party.

Unvote

Its strange that Mastin scumhunts when that isnt his objective though, I doubt Shinigami win with town. Any more clarification needed?

[PhilyEc]

Yeah gimme a sec, I kinda confused myself because now I think hes telling the truth and wanting someone in this game to know hes one of at least 3 possible Shinigami.

If hes Ryuk, hes looking for Light,
If hes Rem, hes looking for Misa,
If hes Sidoh, hes looking for Mello,

Those three humans have deathnotes at the moment in my opinion, this is all theory though.

I think its a safe move because,
Claiming right off the bat instead of being forced seems more believable, claiming third role if forced is hardly believable, but here no one but who he wants to know , knows hes a shinigami (aka Light, Misa, Mello.)

You can disregard the rest since I dont think hes scum making a move to look third party.

Unvote

Its strange that Mastin scumhunts when that isnt his objective though, I doubt Shinigami win with town. Any more clarification needed?

Yes, when you say "looking for" what do you mean by that since its not mentioned in the rules? How would he "find" who he is looking for?

Probably the same way they did in the anime, Shinigami eyes.

[PhilyEc]

I'd rather lynch Misa or Kira rather than Ryuk

Any scum player possessing a Death Note is Kira. There can be multiple Kiras, even at the same time, and there even can be no Kiras.

It seems reasonable to assume that Phily is not scum. Yay!

My stupid makes me town?

[PhilyEc]

I don't understand the case against Kise
Can somebody explain it to me?

Apparently hes been acting suspicious and that made him scum to 3 players, all voting consecutively. Its far too little substance to stand for a lynch in my eyes.

Mastin's death confirmed my theory that Deathnote's are being used. I'd say the people talking at the moment are in ownership of one and that Mastin has been killed. I doubt anyone wouldn't get involved in a game like this and just sit back then deathnote to be honest. I for one would talk, act suprised when Mastin died, even pissed off. Bitch about him perhaps.

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

Those thinking it was a modkill, you dont have deathnotes, gratz! Anyone want to disagree? Perhaps a sudden death on my part will clear things up.

[PhilyEc]

Those guilty of crap play can't blame their lynchers for lynching them; its their fault (please see my wiki). If it was a townie that vigged Mastin, they can't be blamed for being wrong -- it was Mastin's fault.

Agree

Is Lamont obvtown to you by any chance?

[PhilyEc]

Mastin's death confirmed my theory that Deathnote's are being used.

I'd say the people talking at the moment are in ownership of one and that Mastin has been killed.

I doubt anyone wouldn't get involved in a game like this and just sit back then deathnote to be honest. I for one would talk, act suprised when Mastin died, even pissed off. Bitch about him perhaps.

What led you to believe the bolded?

The italicized, why do you think scum killed Mastin?

Mastin would've died instantly if he was modkilled. Gelus would decide the second he was the issue, he ignored it cause it was a lie ( I think).
1. Deathnotes are going to kill in this game, the great thing about them is that all you need is a pen and you wont get noticed, killing at the dead of night offers no advantage so I think deathnoters can kill day and night. (Just like in the anime) ^-^
2. Well I sure as hell would've, hes been very annoying. I'd say someone did it for personal reasons rather than as scum strategy. Hence why I'm looking at people who didnt approve of how he hijacked the beginning of the game.

[PhilyEc]

Why are people actually thinking that Mastin got modkilled? Why the hell would it not show as a modkill first of all, second, given any reason why he was modkilled, third game still be in day.

Getting caught up now.

And modkills go into night phase don't they? Anyway I agree.

Votecount
Kise - 3 (Lamont_Cranston, mykonian, Starbuck)
Spolium - 1 (Kmd4390)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
Not voting: ortolan, zwetschenwasser,

cateraction

, Kairyuu, Benmage,

ZazieR

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

Now show me how you kill.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[PhilyEc]

Mastin would've died instantly if he was modkilled. Gelus would decide the second he was the issue, he ignored it cause it was a lie ( I think).
1. Deathnotes are going to kill in this game, the great thing about them is that all you need is a pen and you wont get noticed, killing at the dead of night offers no advantage so I think deathnoters can kill day and night. (Just like in the anime) ^-^
2. Well I sure as hell would've, hes been very annoying. I'd say someone did it for personal reasons rather than as scum strategy. Hence why I'm looking at people who didnt approve of how he hijacked the beginning of the game.

What if he was reviewing like people have discussed? Maybe the decision wasn't made right away. Note that I don't actually think it was a modkill. I'm just curious why you made the leap from "Mastin is dead" to "Masting was killed by a Death Note".

1. Makes perfect sense. But again, why do you think a Death Note killed Mastin?

2. So it could have been a town/SK kill and not scum? Or you think scum used a kill for personal reasons?

1&2. I really doubt there are vigs tbh and I think all the mafia are SK'ers too. I have no prove obviously, just general intuition. Deathnote owners have the ability to kill at their own will regardless of situations. Killing Mastin is what I'd do as scum, thats for sure. Better him than someone at random. Fact that hes trying to draw out scum is another reason, perhaps they saw he was successful?

Doubt town has vigs due to character lists in the game. I think the SK's are the scum.

[PhilyEc]

@Phily: You obviously aren't paying attention. According to the flavor in the first post, Mastin was shot. I would assume that means he was shot. The likelyhood of that being a Death Note kill is somewhat low.

@all: Trying to catch up. Not really succeeding.

And what if the killers get to decide on the death? That seems to make more sense. Deathnoters would make it look like a vig kill.

[PhilyEc]

Doubt town has vigs due to character lists in the game. I think the SK's are the scum.

Wouldn't Mello fit as a vig?

Wouldn't it make sense for Light and Misa to be working together?

Melloh probably has Sidoh's deathnote. Thats what I'm thinking anyways.

Given the flexible cause of death via death notes in the series I wouldn't discount it as unlikely until we're better informed.

I agree with this. Someone with a death note can choose the means of death. "Shot" is a likely choice for someone trying not to give that away. That doesn't mean it was a death note though. Maybe, maybe not. We simply don't know.[/quote]

[PhilyEc]

Woops, forgot to leave out the end, sorry not my opinion

[PhilyEc]

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

I was working on a post right before the kill happened.
You see evidence of that since I posted the next two posted extremely quickly.
Just because people were posting when it happened doesn't mean they are the ones that caused the death.
If your theory about death notes are correct, the player can probably choose the time it occurs.
Do you really think the death note user would post when their kill was supposed to occur? I think not.
I think that the chances are greater that it was a vigilante kill.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

Thats exactly the kinda stuff I'm looking for, thank you. Are you trying to say you were busy doing something else before the death occured? and that makes you innocent?
And yes I do think the death note user would post when their kill was suppost to occur. I doubt a vig did it. You've seen why. Why do you want to call off the idea of it being a deathnote user so much as well as yourself by WIFOMing? If one was to look at who was online at the time Gelus was I'm sure we'd have a far clearer picture. Unfortunately I wasnt around at the time

Gelus posts when I'm asleep, I'd assume the players from his zone are more likely since you want to bring up that type of timing. It looks like it happened mid-gameplay too due to time gaps between posts.

FoS Zeenon

I asked if you exhibited this action, you in turn brought out a series of defenses. Do you has a deathnote Zee?

[PhilyEc]

Doubt town has vigs due to character lists in the game. I think the SK's are the scum.

I think those that can kill are the mafia teams: the one mello worked for and the organization that Light entrusted his death note to. In addition to this there are Death notes lying around belonging to SKs. If a mafia team kills someone with a death note, they gain the death note along with an additional kill.

Okay, so you think there are two party's after deathnotes. Multiple deathnotes out there (I think 3) and if they kill Kira they gain extra kills (including day kills in my opinion). Sounds like a massacre could occur if we aren't careful.

[PhilyEc]

First reason: Misa Misa *shrug* She still has many fanboys in her posession. They'd do anything to please her, even teling their names (and place of living obv as well >.<) This is why Misa Misa is dangerous and should be stopped

She always has shinigami eyes! -.- Don't you think that would let her see names far easier?

[PhilyEc]

The issue revolves around death note speculation; specifically the way that death notes are used. The way that the issue is being discussed makes me feel

uncomfortable

.

Because one of us is right (me obv) and you are uncomfortable that we hit the nail on the head.

I thought I would draw attention to it and see if it interests anyone else.

Before you pursue the topic and give your own opinion. Okay, Okay, I see what you're doing here. +Scum Points.

[PhilyEc]

I thought exactly the same as myk when I saw Mastin's claim. A shinigami with a death-note would be very foolish to claim.

Why would a Shinigami with a deathnote be very foolish to claim, Budja?

scumslip. Really, it won't get more obvious.

unvote vote Spolium

?

[PhilyEc]

EBWOP >.<
Them = Kise and ZEE

You is smart in the head.

[PhilyEc]

I think I explained it somewhere. twice.

As did he, yet your vote stands. Odd.

[PhilyEc]

ok, I'll try again. Town wants to lynch people with deathnotes. Spolium can't see that claiming a role that could easily have a deathnote is not a scumclaim.

Spolium simply hasn't the town win condition in his mind when he is posting that. Also,

he is quite talking a lot about mafia gaining deathnotes:

it seems important to him.

thats why I say that Spolium is not town. He doesn't think towny, he has scummy motivations.

The town win condition is common knowledge, I'm afraid. That aside, I asked the question because Budja's

post suggested special knowledge about Shinigami.

- We know that Shinigami drop their death notes if they're targeted for a lynch/kill but there is currently no way of knowing how this ties in to their unique win condition.
- Being unlynchable/unkillable, Shinigami will still be around even if they lose their death notes, and may even be able to retrieve them.
- Two of the three main Shinigami in the series willingly allow their death notes to be used by others.

Therefore, we cannot say with certainty that it would be stupid of Shinigami to claim. Only Shinigami know this.

It was obvious he was asking because Budja's post showed too much knowledge not avaliable to players yet you vote for him for what basically wasnt the case. You've completely mistaken his post yet you continue to say hes not got town's win condition on mind even when he made it clear this wasnt why he asked. Basically you're ignoring his true reason. Spoilum aint scum (today).

Bold1. Hasnt it been made clear that deathnotes are exchangable? There can be multiple Kiras or none, hes obviously observed this rule as well as the town win condition.
Bold2. SEE?

[PhilyEc]

you know I reacted on the fact that his thoughts were not protown, and that was not the post I reacted on?

Thats his explanation of his true intention, you misrep'd. Your vote remains still? Either stubborn, blind or scum.

[PhilyEc]

Budja: I thought exactly the same as myk when I saw Mastin's claim. A shinigami with a death-note would be very foolish to claim.
Spoilum: Why would a Shinigami with a deathnote be very foolish to claim, Budja?
Myk: spolium seems not to understand that claiming you might have a deathnote gets you lynched. (= scumclaim)
Spoilum: The town win condition is common knowledge, I'm afraid. That aside, I asked the question because Budja's post suggested special knowledge about Shinigami.
Myk: no, the thing you were mostly talking about, was that the deathnote could be transferred to scum.
Spoilum: Are you referring to my question to Budja, or something else?

See yet? I doubt you're lying as this is so easily provable, you're just a very confused Spaniard. Spoilum was investigating the backing Budja had for this statement and you take it literally and accuse Spoilum of not having the towns interest at heart to the length that you accuse him of being scum and VOTE for him. He makes it clear what he was doing for your sake and you basically tell him what he was asking for. Stubborn much?

[PhilyEc]

The issue revolves around death note speculation; specifically the way that death notes are used. The way that the issue is being discussed makes me feel

uncomfortable

.

Because one of us is right (me obv) and you are uncomfortable that we hit the nail on the head.

No, not really but I am concerned there may be some subtle rolefishing going on...

I thought I would draw attention to it and see if it interests anyone else.

Before you pursue the topic and give your own opinion.

Well actually, I am unfamiliar with the series but I find it fascinating and entertaining. I can't very well understand what is necessarily true or not without some clarification which is why I brought it up.

Well then take my word for it, if Gelus is as dedicated to making this game as autenthic as possible. (Likely, he seems a big fan) Then powers will be quite obvious for main characters. Light's access to his father's database? Misa's shinigami eyes?
Concerning Shinigami. Theyre interested in having fun, not in helping the bad guys. Calling them scum is a mistake in my opinion, I think Mastin would agree with me here, he must've considered them third party.

[PhilyEc]

What is your reason for coming out with this roleclaim?

People were speculating as to whether or not mastin was a tracker. I'm confirming he was.

That seems unneccessary. What good will it do letting people know you have a tracker power now and that Mastin (dead) had a tracker power?

[PhilyEc]

@All:

What is the case for scum starting out with death notes? Is there

any

actual reason to believe this?

what is scum?

the deathnotes should come from the shinigami, seen the story. So if you include shinigami with scum, then yes, I believe that would be true.

Why does this matteeeeerrrrr...lets see whos acting scummy okay?

[PhilyEc]

PBPA of PhilyEc;
Don't like this speculation over defining scum. Lets lynch scummy people kay?

ortolan

<- Dont like his posts much, he points out what look like flaws in gameplay rather than scummy posts. I'd like to hear opinions from him to be honest.

zwetschenwasser

<- Town read, has flawed logic when it came to deciding to claim then.

cateraction

<- Has a town read on KMD, clear null tell at the moment and Zeenon, someone suspected by at least me Zaz and Wes.

Kairyuu

<- Has a good town-dar in my opinion, inclined to see him as town for now.

mykonian

<- Not playing at his best, didnt like how he's played but his vote on Magnus seemed genuine, null read for now.

Kmd4390

<- "I'd like him dead, but I don't want to use a lynch on him." on Mastin, makes me suspect him since he said Mastin wasnt scum in this post. Thinks "Benmage is scum" over something bout elephants in the RVS, keeps his vote from then. Scum read on him.

Benmage

<- Scummy, but cant see him as scum, more scum food. They'll be offering him to town as a sacrifice at some point in my opinion.

ZazieR

<- ObvTown, her posts are great.

magnus_orion

<- Playing strangely to be honest, usually his scumdar is reallly good, hes able to pin point scum but can never convince the town for a lynch. In this case he cant do either. Scum read due to differences hes showing.

Jebus

<- We wont be hearing from him soon, thats for sure.

populartajo

<- Quite quickly proves himself to be town. I like his posts so far. Town read.

Budja

<- Null read. Not aiming at anyone though I'd say hes struggling to keep up.

Gorrad

<- Town read, hes looking towards my suspect Magnus alot.

Albert B. Rampage

<- Null read.

Starbuck

<- Suspects Lamont. Agrees with Lamont's case and suspects Kise. For each suspicion she delivered a vote. Has made alot of 'yeah that sounds right' posts when quoting others. Scummy vibes from her.

semioldguy

<- Suspects Myk, this is understandable and I'd be doing the same had I not experience Polygamist with him, he wasnt that good as town there either.

Kise

<- This guy is different to your average scummer in my opinion. I've not liked one of his posts but due to poor logic and dodging questions.

Seraphim

<- Null read, he seems busy at the moment.

Stephoscope

<- Hasn't made any votes. Claims nothing scummy has gone on in his 6th post. Asks KMD and Zee for opinions. Town read on them maybe? I wouldnt agree with him there. Null-Scum tell.

ZEEnon

<- Quite jumpy when I mentioned his name as one of the people who looked scummy when Mastin died, the others didnt get phased but he went on to make a large post about why he's innocent. Scummy read.

Spolium

<- I like his posts, I like who hes looking at. Town read.

LlamaFluff

<- Town read also, hes showing a genuine thought pattern and participating openly. I like his posts also. Town read.

WeyounsLastClone

<- Voted a strong suspect of mine. Nice. Town read.

Lamont_Cranston

<- Null read, his scummy moves can be mistaken for over aggresiveness.

Scum if I had to guess them right now are; Zeenon, Starbuck, KMD, Magnus. Those are sure-fires in my eyes.

[PhilyEc]

EBWOP >.<
Them = Kise and ZEE

You is smart in the head.

Is this you mocking me as I forgot to include who 'them' were in the first post, or you agreeing with me?
Also, the above post proves that I'm not Misa Misa, as nobody can say that about Misa Misa XD

Nuu, you is smart for figuring Zee as scum.

[PhilyEc]

EBWOP:

The flavour also supports this; the story itself kicks off when one of the Shinigami drops his death note in the human world, allowing a human to pick it up and start using it. A second death note arrives in human hands due to a second Shinigami (who, incidently, falls in love - unrequited love - with the girl who she gives her).

This thought just came to me - Zwet has claimed one-sided lover/tracker. This seems to fit [url=http://[POSSIBLEtinyurlSPAM].com/shinigami-rem]Rem the Shinigami[/url] much better than Raye Penber's fiance. Thoughts?

The fiance and him were really close and an important part of the story. Hes actually claimed a character that can be crossed checked or counter claimed and with the fact that Raye is in this game, she has to be. Its like putting salt and pepper on a dinner table.

Zwet is telling the truth.

[PhilyEc]

Also, Lamont (snip) Seriously, stop posting four times in a row or just what randomly pops up in your head. This thread gets enough posts as it is each day.

XD
I'm surprised I didn't get mentioned for this.

Y-you just did it again.. O.O

[PhilyEc]

The fiance and him were really close and an important part of the story. Hes actually claimed a character that can be crossed checked or counter claimed and with the fact that Raye is in this game, she has to be. Its like putting salt and pepper on a dinner table.

Zwet is telling the truth.

First of all, why does she have to be in the game? Second of all, if she is, it would be stupid for her to counter claim a name.

1. Because she was an important part of Deathnote, Light's ascent into L's circle of investigator. She was deeply effected by her husband's death in the anime and featured in a fair amount of episodes after that. Putting him in, she'd be a shoe in as another character in a game requiring so many characters.
2. Zwet isnt lying. Too risky. And actually a counter claim would let us know Zwet or X is scum. This is something I'd reveal if someone lied about being me. Finds us scum afterall.

[PhilyEc]

But I'm not sure what happened to each of the Death Notes in the end...

NO SPOILERS PLEASE.

(I didn't read magnus's post because he quoted this)

And actually a counter claim would let us know Zwet or X is scum. This is something I'd reveal if someone lied about being me. Finds us scum afterall.

Not necessarily. He could be lying as town. And did he actually claim his character or was this assumed.

So now we have to take into account a town commiting anti-town acts on purpose and letting destruction ensue? I really wouldn't include the possibility of him lying as town. Zwet aint an idiot.

[PhilyEc]

Zwet isnt lying.

He pretty much admits to lying..

And actually a counter claim would let us know Zwet or X is scum. This is something I'd reveal if someone lied about being me. Finds us scum afterall.

Or, a counter claim would mean that whoever the real Naomi is would have identified themselves to Kira, so that makes them a target for being killed, if the theory in my above is true about how Kira must use death notes.

Oh wow look, the guy who I said was scummy has now decided to start quoting me. Know how dodgy that looks to only start questioning me now?

1. Where?
2. And Kira would be doing us a great deal of help as we lynch the other person and save ourself a night kill.

[PhilyEc]

Doesn't mean much to me if you think I'm scummy. You also think Gorrad is town, and he suggested we all flavor claim.. So that tells me a lot about how (in)valuable your viewpoint can be. I'm not going to ignore anyone who addresses me. That's not being dodgy.. and I do believe I asked earlier how Gorrad gets a town read from you.

1. Here.
2. Kira are not here to help the town. Kira are the killers, in case you somehow forgot. You say Kiras would help by lynching Naomi, who would presumably be pro-town? I don't think so. Perhaps you mean to say Naomi would help us by lynching the fake-Naomi(?), in which that would be more accurate. But it still doesn't help that whoever Naomi is would have identified themselves to any more killers with death notes.

Zwet admits to fakeclaiming, so he intentionally wanted to make himself a target.. Might be best if a vig gets to him first, if you know what I mean.

1. He was being sarchastic me thinks.
2. Kiras kill, they dont lynch. Wtf are you on about. You said Kira would kill the one that counter claimed but do Kiras know who other Kiras are? Would they be able to tell whos lying? Not only that now you're saying Kiras would lynch Naomi? No no, earlier you made it clear you meant they'd take out the real Naomi using their deathnote, dont go trying to change what context you were on about.
If Naomi was revealed and the other was scum, and Kira killed the real Naomi that day like you said earlier then we'd simple lynch the other person like I SAID.

[PhilyEc]

@Tajo - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 16#1710316

2. And

Kira would be doing us a great deal of help as we lynch the other person

and save ourself a night kill.

If not Naomi, then who is the other person?

Just wow man. Its Zwet & X. If there was a counter claim, 1 of the two would be scum. I still think Zwet is her.

If Naomi was revealed and the other was scum, and Kira killed the real Naomi that day like you said earlier then we'd simple lynch the other person like I SAID.

OK, we lynch the Kira who fakeclaimed to be Naomi.. but there are more than one Kira. The other Kira would target the real Naomi. This is what I'm getting at.[/quote]

And? Im very happy getting one deathnote from scum on Day One with us losing one townie. Someone has to get Nk'd anyway like. With 25 players it'll take them a while to win if one of the deathnotes is gone after Day One.

Zwet wasn't being sarcastic. Don't be so naive. Unless you're trying to NK him by yourself, I don't see how you could dismiss his behavior so easily.

Thats like me claiming Lights dad as scum and hoping no one got that role. Its just quite unlikely he'd throw himself out there if he wasnt the lover. If he is lying hes town anyway, scum would never make such a move fullstop

[PhilyEc]

Sorry, messed up that second quote.

[PhilyEc]

And?

Im very happy getting one deathnote from scum on Day One

with us losing one townie. Someone has to get Nk'd anyway like. With 25 players it'll take them a while to win if one of the deathnotes is gone after Day One.

You seem pretty certain that a lynched scum would have a death note. Any reason for this?

I guess im being hopeful. At least its one less scum in the game =/

[PhilyEc]

Right because my thought processes revolved around either scum having

no

death notes (having to get them from the Shinigamis) or

one

which would allow them to night kill as a group.

But you sounded

certain

you would get one...

Well to be honest I think of deathnotes as exchagable between shinigami and Kira's. And at the time I was certain I would get one, my logic failed.

[PhilyEc]

Just when I thought I'd be finished catching up, you guys post six more pages...

So ugh, I'm on 26/32 now.

So post any comments you have on those 26 pages, who looks scummy for instance? Any reads on how people reacted when Mastin died? You can type something up quick if you've read that much content afterall.

[PhilyEc]

Lynching mafia is better than lynching neutrals, since mafia have a greater chance to win, since the serial killer (normally) has to be the only one alive to win. Mafia just need a majority (normally). So lynching mafia reduces the greatest threat of an anti-town faction winning that we are aware of (normally, of course).

Serial Killers are harder than scum to find you must admit. Scum tend to distance themselves from eachother far too much or far too little, either way its never a natural action and theres always some way of rooting out scum teams from one weak link. Serial Killers will join in scumhunting and simply take down people as they play, not caring who dies =/

[PhilyEc]

~Zazier

Could you give an abridged version of your case on Magnus please? I think the people not following what you're thinking (incl myself) would like some insight into why Magnus is vote worthy by someone generally accepted as ObvTown.

[PhilyEc]

just based on this game, I think we could probably make a lurking/active lurking case on a lot of people. Maybe just not all of them.

With the speed this game is going at (had I not started early and kept up) I'd be struggling to provide content in this game. I have extremely low patience for spam =D

Myk, theres a case growing against you, defend yourself!

[PhilyEc]

Phily, I have done a lot of explaining, some things more then once, but against such things there is no defence (except voting him for that vote, a pleasure I'm not going to give him)

Usually one persons right and one persons wrong. So far you've failed to prove them wrong. It looks like the grounds for a lynch on you are getting more and more genuine. Can you summarise why the cases on you are scum-driven/results of failed logic? Or do you admit you're scum? o.o

[PhilyEc]

the biggest point seems to be that I add nothing, something I don't believe. I have tried (and in case of spolium failed) to add to the discussion. Orto also seems to imply that I have only followed. I think he is more doing that, while I have tried to give my opinion (that seems still understood, around mastin).

but a case that is build mostly on that is easily made, but hard to defend against. On the moment you have the name that you are lurking, people are going to look at you that way. And in my case, they have enough posts to look at.

Quote the points against you in a list, no rush, take your time. Then dicuss why each is wrong, or quote the points you've made over why this is the case. We'll see all these posts and quotes together in one text and be able to decide if you're correct in stating they're wrong or if they've hit the nail on the head.

[PhilyEc]

@Phily

What do you think of the case against Myko?

I've not looked at it. I'm too tired to scroll through these pages though I has two more exams to do so less study to do! =V Also mixing him up with Magnus in my head cause both look scummy (apparently). I'll read over posts towards Myk and his responses tomorrow but French was too draining for me to bother today

[PhilyEc]

Please tell me I'm not getting lynched.

Because you has town role. I has cheeseburger. Also your move, I liked. It created reactions and thats something town needs, not all this speculating that I too am guilty of indulging in earlier.

[PhilyEc]

Just when I thought I'd be finished catching up, you guys post six more pages...

Really, let me catch up D: D: D:

Currently 34/38 - and skimming up as fast as I can.

DUDE

LOOK

HERE

Post your thoughts on whos scummy so far. Do you suspect Zeenon by the way? What are your thoughts on Myk and Mag?

[PhilyEc]

Zee

:

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

I was working on a post right before the kill happened.
You see evidence of that since I posted the next two posted extremely quickly.

Just because people were posting when it happened doesn't mean they are the ones that caused the death.

If your theory about death notes are correct, the player can probably choose the time it occurs.

Do you really think the death note user would post when their kill was supposed to occur? I think not.

I think that the chances are greater that it was a vigilante kill.

You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

This seems terribly defensive.

My case, not yours! [bites] Stop trying to lead away from Magnus' attacks on you~

[continues reading page 39]

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

[PhilyEc]

Mod, I voted Zeenon...

Vote Zeenon

Fixed.

[PhilyEc]

Well looks like the gameplay has slowed down a tad, thats awesome since Ive seen about 3-4 pleas for this to stop. Maybe those guys will get more involved now.

---

@Kairyuu: Post 1032,
Your summary on Lamont does help. From what I see it looks very possible that Lamont himself killed Mastin, afterall, he was one of the first to suspect that a town-vig shot him rather than the more obvious Deathnote coming into play. Do you think Lamont used a Death Note to kill Mastin?

@All
Everyone should note this post, its actually rather helpful.

He stated in a different post that he wasn't going to post. He wanted to comment on what he saw. Which means, he wasn't planning to vote Mastin. And he took his Mastin's scum claim serious as he even asked him questions about it. Yet, his reason for not voting Mastin is that Kai stated that Mastin does this all the time.
I don't see why he would take Mastin's claim seriously, if he believed Kai with his statement. So I see here something in contrast.

Oh, and as already said by me, it was stated in Open 145 that Mastin does this all the time.

Everyone should be looking at wheter or not to vote for ZEEnon in my opinion.

[PhilyEc]

ABR = Jester. Only Jesters bring up such a role out of nowhere. Leave him be.

[PhilyEc]

@Benmage
You didn't believe Zwet's claim, and you voted Zwet after ABR posted this which you even quoted in your post in which you vote Zwet:

Vote: Zwet

No surprises here. I think we will be doing the scum a huge disfavor by lynching zwet no matter what his alignment.

Yet, Zwet has now given some answers regarding his claim, and it has been pointed out that the claim fits the flavour.
So what do you think of his claim now?
And can you explain why ABR's post resulted in your vote? (if it didn't, what did?)

I still disbelieve the claim, because I don’t see the logic behind making the initial claim. It was unnecessary imo. Although I don’t share the same animosity against zwet that ABR does, zwet isn’t exactly the best player in my book(and I know I can’t say much with my minimal input into this game, but this is how I feel)

So yeah, those two reasons are why I voted.

I'd assume he did it to get good reactions out of people, its led to this kind of discussion afterall. Some believed him and others wanted to lynch him thinking he was lying. Those that wont believe him and want to lynch him in my eyes are either/some of the following:
playing a bad game/dont know Zwet well enough/possible scum.

[PhilyEc]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

Swear to God, if you keep ignoring my requests I'll convert!

[PhilyEc]

Been busy - sorry for flaking to start off with, currently on 40/44 - you guys post too fast >.<

POST OPINIONS ON THE FIRST 40

*builds shrine around image of KMD* ~New Messiah~

[PhilyEc]

on zeenon

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.

about Mastins claim. A delaying reaction.

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

defends, doesn't seem to see that he has to get rid of death notes.

then, a lot of fluff posts the rest of the page.

magnus_orion is quite the scummy player, jumping on every vote quite rapidly.

first accusation. Subjective, not pointing out why it is scummy. More like hoping the town will jump on it.

Lamont_Cranston's thoughts: "

Why is magnus_orion busing me so early?

"

subjective?

Mastin, remind me why you think I'm scum. I'm a tad confused on that bit. Is it just 'cause I voted you?

You've had multiple changes of mind within three pages.
Are you attempting to draw reactions with your votes, or do you have a hidden agenda?

o, what a nice subjective rhetoric question!

Who here thinks that pushing mod kills is a scum tell?

Depends entirely on the situation.

wishy-washy?

this was till page 5. You probably already saw a general trend: in all those posts zeenon hasn't made a single attempt at scumhunting.

on page 7 a nice post, goes into defensive lurker mode afterwards.

on page 14, my internet becomes real slow. I want to continue on this. but in those first pages, zeenon wasn't playing town.

So you think hes scum or just doesnt like being precise?

Votecount
mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
zwetschenwasser - 3 (populartajo, Albert B. Rampage, Benmage)
ZEEnon - 2 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)
Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, MrBuddyLee)
Lamont_Cranston - 2 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Kairyuu - 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Jebus, Gorrad,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, Starbuck, mykonian

Do you have anything that will prove to me that you aren't the hijacker's accomplice?

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[PhilyEc]

NO!
No "post opinions on the first 40."
We want people caught up, participating with up-to-date information, so we can get accurate reads and bring overall activity of all involved people up.
What part of "stop posting" don't you people understand?
Jeez, if you have something to bring up, put it in a notepad file, save it, and bring it up when everyone is caught up.

Its a stalling tactic dude...he was on page 34 or something yesterday...he read 6 pages in a day? Bullshit. Hes stalling for time and being lazy.

[PhilyEc]

NO!
No "post opinions on the first 40."
We want people caught up, participating with up-to-date information, so we can get accurate reads and bring overall activity of all involved people up.
What part of "stop posting" don't you people understand?
Jeez, if you have something to bring up, put it in a notepad file, save it, and bring it up when everyone is caught up.

Its a stalling tactic dude...he was on page 34 or something yesterday...he read 6 pages in a day? Bullshit. Hes stalling for time and being lazy.

Why would he be stalling, pray tell?
And if he is stalling, then that should become clear if you give it the chance to, now won't it? By continuously extended the number of pages he has to read, you are giving him an excuse, if your conjecture is true.
Now cut it out with your excuses, and stop posting.

I'll put it this way. In any game I was in with Jebus, HE NEVER CONTRIBUTED. I'm considering the idea that he actually does this to fuck with people right now but I'm assuming hes signed up for a game hes too busy to take part in. This seems to have been the case in EVERY GAME though.

Stalling because hes read so many pages yet still has had nothing to say. I've asked him twice to post anything note worthy about the pages hes 'read' and hes failed to even respond to me. Hes probably skimming posts and will have nothing to contribute today.

[PhilyEc]

Excuse to be lazy? OKAY!

[PhilyEc]

________________________________________

Anyway, ZEE is deliberately avoiding answering his questions. Lynching him would be slightly experimental, but I'm down for it.

Disgusting. I see opportunistic scum right here.

ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)

Moderator:

There is two votes on me, not one.

________________________________________

Anyways, I am currently in exam period.
I did state that I was going to preform a re-read, but being the procrastinator I am, I failed to do so.
I will try really hard to follow through tomorrow, since it is a weekend.

________________________________________

That doesnt make much sense, how is he opportunist scum when two other people have more votes on them? Wouldn't he go with those wagons instead? A Myk lynch looks way more likely than a ZEE lynch to me. (unfortunately) ¬¬

[PhilyEc]

mod

I don't know if it is possible, but you could ask Mastin to replace a person that cannot keep up. He has at least read the first part of the game (that is the hardest to read).

*facepalm*

second

[PhilyEc]

mod

I don't know if it is possible, but you could ask Mastin to replace a person that cannot keep up. He has at least read the first part of the game (that is the hardest to read).

*facepalm*

second

arg, the second time you agree with zwet... Is this a sign?

anyway, that was a comment outside of the game, please some more reactions on things in the game. Do anyone have a comment on what I said about zeenon?

(and something more, Semioldguy, I don't think you ever explained why you voted for me.)

ZEEnon aint the most active person and gets lazy when he faces alot of reading. That said, when he was playing yes he exhibited scummy behaviour alot. I think he should be lynched for today.

[PhilyEc]

Unvote, vote Lamont

I'm only voting you because I don't like you. No other reason.

^ Told yous he was a jester...

[PhilyEc]

vote: Lamont

^IGMEOY

And I am not sure, at this stage, why Gorrad is considered scummy; rather than, for example, a lurker.

Agreed, Gorrad is lurking, his posts arent fishing but his idea to 'break the game' was terrible. Who wants to break a game they just started? Seems more fun to do this the proper way. Null read on him anyways. He asked for a name and picture though (with a goofy smiley) is he feigning ignorance to get reactions? Scum supporting his idea in his hopes?

[Likes Starbuck's post, someone who can admit people are able to play while reading] +Town Points >.>

[PhilyEc]

@PhilyEc: Voting without an explanation. Can you explain this please as you have already been asked to?

Read on, I explain its a combination of the questionable answers I get from ZEEnon along with his defensive reaction to being included in 3 possible scum reacting after killing Mastin + what the others have managed to derive from how hes approached this game (ie Myk, ZazieR, Wes) ZazieR's involvement is a big indicator that this is indeed a town motivated basis of suspicion.

Question, who do you suspect at the moment?

[PhilyEc]

We're lynching ZEEnon today. End of ¬¬ Everyones suspecting him even if they don't suspect him the most and everyone can agree he looks like a probable good lynch. I dont agree on lynching Lamont, his gameplay is something I see far from being scummy. Lynching someone everyone can agree on is what we need to do with so many players in the game.

Who here thinks Zee would turn up town if we lynched him?

And yes I'm pushing for the ZEEnon lynch as of now.

[PhilyEc]

I am willing to lynch Zee but the only thing that bothers me is that he hasn't responded to defend himself.

He obviously knew that Mastin was 3rd party and yet expressly didn't want people to vote him.

Since he is an experienced player that definitely needs explanation.

Having replaced the guy twice to my own recollection, I'd not be suprised if he doesnt come back..

[PhilyEc]

Ort, I've never played with ABR.

How are those town reads obvious when Zwet and Lamont are getting votes and ABR still needs to explain the difference between his position on Mastin and his position on Zwet.

Gorrad is scummy for name-fishing.

---------------------------

Unvote, Vote Gorrad

. Reading the last couple pages, this lynch may have some hope. People seem to suspect him more than I thought.

Mastin is a good player. Lynching him is bad for the town when he is on our side.

Zwet is a bit of a dumb clown. Its always good to lynch him when you are town.

Lets lynch scummy people first. Zwet can get investigated tonight~ Doubt theres no investigators here seeing as how the game is full of cops.

[PhilyEc]

...

oh.

That didn't cross my mind.

But say it did cross my mind, why would I try to stop his lynch if I was scum and I thought he was a death god?

Specialised wincon? Kira had to eliminate Rem in the anime, its not that unheard of.

[PhilyEc]

No, Gorrad isnt scum. Kmd thinks he is and everyones riding that notion.

[PhilyEc]

So I'm curious as to why everyone is still questioning Mastin's allegiance.


Also Phily, Gorrad (for the bit he was actually posting) was being rather scummy. No one that I've seen is voting him because KMD is I actually meant to put my vote at the bottom of one of my really long catch up posts and forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

Vote: Gorrad

He pushed for name claims hoping to break the game. Thats it. Scum wouldnt do that, scum wouldnt make such an obvious move. He was later told what that would make killing people off more easy for scum concerning knowing roles and he gave us an 'ooooooooooooh' basically. Gorrad aint scum.

[PhilyEc]

So I'm curious as to why everyone is still questioning Mastin's allegiance.


Also Phily, Gorrad (for the bit he was actually posting) was being rather scummy. No one that I've seen is voting him because KMD is I actually meant to put my vote at the bottom of one of my really long catch up posts and forgot. Thanks for reminding me.

Vote: Gorrad

He pushed for name claims hoping to break the game. Thats it. Scum wouldnt do that, scum wouldnt make such an obvious move. He was later told what that would make killing people off more easy for scum concerning knowing roles and he gave us an 'ooooooooooooh' basically. Gorrad aint scum.

Because he is so experienced he wouldn't make such a mistake. Something must be motivating him; like maybe a Shinigami win condition??

Or he just wanted to draw out scum who agreed with the idea?

[PhilyEc]

Gorrad and zee wagons are laughable. I dont see anything really that says gorrad is scum, and zee is most definantly town (along with zazie and zwet, awesome how all the z's are town isnt it).

I still want a myk lynch.

Agreed on Gorrad, he aint scum. I obviously don't agree on ZEEnon.

[PhilyEc]

Still lagging behind - 46/49 (three pages left )

Please don't post any more so I can catch up before there's another ten pages D:

....you make me want to burn priests....

[PhilyEc]

We specifically told Jebus to stop catching up for a little bit and give his opinion on something.

I've replaced many times and had to catch up in games. I'd read through the game. Highlight whats scummy, give a little [onto page x] at the end of the post and keep at it till Im caught up. Jebus would do this if he was bothered. I've seen him flake constantly, cant say the same for others but we should just wait for him to be replaced (and go easy on the new guy).

[PhilyEc]

At ABR's 'scum wouldn't claim scum' is a bad argument. I would think scum is more likely to claim scum because of some kind of gambit. I don't see how a townie would claim scum at all. And no, I don't think 'to wait for the reactions' is a good reason. Maybe third party is the most likely.

I've been here longer than you, have more experience than you, and the simple fact that I am right and that you are wrong more than proves that my arguments are based on something hard and concrete.

Even if you're scum?

[PhilyEc]

Bleh we need this game move somewhere:

Unvote vote : mykonian

...

Myk > Other scummy people. Why?

[PhilyEc]

This game needs moar wagons.

Too much talking and not enough voting.

Phyliec you are voting who?

ZEEnon. ZEEnon > other wagons.

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That

Can you be more concise? I mean, what in Zazie's case you liked and what in his reaction you hated.

I know you can.

And who is Wes?

I was kinda hoping you wouldnt make me go through...50 PAGES. I'll post something more concise on Wednesday T_T

[PhilyEc]

@Tajo
Wes = Weyclon-something-or-other. >_< He made two rather compelling posts about ZEEnon considering them reason enough to vote ZEEnon.

Lamont pointed out the rest but what really caught my attention was when I mentioned how ZEE's reaction to dead Mastin exhibited what seemed like a fake reaction. He got very defensive and I think misinterpreted me, defending himself against some more questions he must've been anticipating. Look back on that and if you agree join us on the ZEE wagon. Its undoubtedly wonderous here~

I think Kmd is town, I think Gorrad is town also. (they seem to be squaring off)

Zwet needs to change his post and join one of the wagons. If none of these people look like scum he must provide adequate explanation for why their actions havent been something scummy.

How many players are meant to be playing this game? I'm seeing alot of the same names here. I'll post again on Thursday for the sake of those trying to catch up.

[PhilyEc]

You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

That means I was right and he knows this. Nice. I think that alones enough of a scumtell worthy of a lynch.

[PhilyEc]

@Gorrad
You already stated suspicions towards Lamont when you first read. But a lot later, you decided to vote him based upon these reasons. Why the wait?

Zaz, dont you think it would be more effective to just concentrate on one person for today? I hate to say it but you're spamming posts in all directions...Tajo has a point with how we need to concentrate more. I know I said I wouldnt post till Thursday but at this rate we'll be at page 65 by then.

[PhilyEc]

I'll read these 4 pages when I get a chance.

Still think Gorrad, Spolium, Benmage, and Phily are scum.

Still think ABR, Zwet, and Lamont are town.

You havent even questioned me once on anything dodgy, no one has. Know why? Because I've done nothing scummy. Stop name dropping and give me a case you can think up quickly on me.

[PhilyEc]

mykonian - 6 (LlamaFluff, cateraction, Spolium, ortolan, Kise, populartajo)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 4 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston)

^Truely possible lynches for today.

Gorrad - 2 (Kmd4390, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 1 (Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)

^ People who need to unvote and join a wagon.

[PhilyEc]

Okay Zazie, stop it. Thats way too much coming outta your mouth, you've nearly made an entire page of posts from yourself. Take a break yeah, just get reads on a few posts and put those reads and questions all into one entire post ¬_¬

[PhilyEc]

Mod: I demand you replace Jebus. I was completely right about him flaking, hes not going to contribute to this game at all and we all know it.

You

demand

that I replace Jebus? On what authority do you demand anything of me? I am the moderator of this game. Your options are to accept my judgment, make a request, or leave. We will proceed as though you had requested that I replace Jebus.

A player will be replaced if that player has not posted in three days. No prods are included in my ruleset, just replacement. However, because the game was young and of the players who hadn't posted for three days (I believe there were three), several had expressed great interest in the game and difficulties with finding the time to post, I prodded them and told them if they didn't post in 24-48 hours, they would be history. Jebus was among these players. It was his one warning, and that's one more than my ruleset requires me to give. If he goes three days without posting and I log in and see before he posts, Jebus will be replaced. This goes for all players.

That said, Jebus has been posting every 1-3 days since then. Every post is a contribution to this game. Whether it's useful or filled with relevant content is another matter, but it's not basis for a replacement. It's my responsibility to make sure that there are players in the game who post. The content of their posts, or lack thereof, is left to the town.

[PhilyEc]

Unvote Vote Zazier

His spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. He's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

^Ignorance. With his scumdar and of genders. Unvote and join a wagon Ben.

[PhilyEc]

Unvote Vote Zazier

His spamming posts of fluff is such a waste and a distraction. He's essentially mass defending all scum simply by distracting every other player.

^Ignorance. With his scumdar and of genders. Unvote and join a wagon Ben.

Why do you keep just pushing this ‘join a wagon’ idea…

I agreed with Tajo earlier on that point and I still do. Town need to be more focused. Only discuss more significant topics, eg the three wagons, which they prefer. It'll cut down on rate of posts and help other players take part.

[PhilyEc]

Gorrad - 1 (Kmd4390)
magnus_orion - 1 (ZazieR)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)z
Starbuck - 1 (mykonian)
Zazier - 1 (Benmage)

^Re-vote.

[PhilyEc]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

Wheter he did or didnt, hes not on the top of my hitlist at the moment. Town need to concentrate on the three wagons presented and make a decision now. ZEE is definately scum. Ben cooooould be scum. Lets go with the safer option yeah.

Myk and Lamont are possibles, though I personally doubt the later is scum, rather, enthusiatic town. I've never seen him play before but his behaviour seems quite genuinely good intentioned.

[PhilyEc]

I would just like to mention that I find the people in ZEEnon's wagon to seem more trustworthy than the people in mykonian's wagon.

I'm not at all sticking up for mykonian, as I kind of see the case against him too. I'm just saying...take a look and see if you agree.

Can you explain in detail why you see Myko and ZEE as scummy?

Well, with mykonian, let me be clear: I am not at all convinced he's scum. But comments from others about how he seemed like he was coasting through the game, and providing information not analysis, were not without merit.

But as for ZEEnon, he had that "What. The Hell." post, he hasn't followed through on at least two promises to post, and he's seemed overly defensive in his responses to you. And, as I said before, I have townreads on several others on the ZEEnon wagon.

Zee has been lurking is out heavily aswell.

[PhilyEc]

Lhama and Zee are buddies.

Can we lynch ZEEnon yet?