Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[ZEEnon]

Vote: ortolan

For taking way too long to confirm.
You wanted more time to pre-game chat with your buddies, huh?

There is no need to make your votes a different color. It actually makes it harder to see as I scroll through making a votecount.

[ZEEnon]

I wish, Zee. I *think* that Ort's a member of my group, but because I was the ONLY one using the QT and wasn't informed of my partner's name, there's no way to be certain. <_<

If you are claiming scum, I want your role name please.
Why are you choosing to reveal this to us?
On a side note, why haven't you accepted my EM friend request?

[ZEEnon]

If you are claiming scum, I want your role name please.

Not scum. A shinigami; I'm not saying which.

Why are you choosing to reveal this to us?

I'm the kind of guy who'd want the town to win as an anti-town role.

On a side note, why haven't you accepted my EM friend request?

I haven't had a chance to get onto EM recently, Zee. Real life and all.

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.
So much winking in this post.

!

Zee, you just changed your avatar. :/

I change my avatar every new game I join. Weird, huh?
I'm so sad that I can't use my normally coloured font this game.

[ZEEnon]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

Votecount
magnus_orion - 2 (Kairyuu,

Mastin

)

Mastin

- 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
ortolan - 1 (ZEEnon)
Kairyuu - 1 (magnus_orion)
Not voting: ortolan, zwetschenwasser,

cateraction

, mykonian, Kmd4390, Benmage,

ZazieR

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Starbuck,

semioldguy

,

Kise

, Seraphim, Stephoscope, PhilyEc, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

Because I'm Kira.

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[ZEEnon]

I've always wanted to be a day vig too!

[ZEEnon]

Lurker Policy: If you are found to only post as often as it takes to avoid replacement AND the content of your posts is not useful analysis that will help the village, YOU ARE A LURKER. As such I will mercilessly pursue your lynch.

We might have some problems later on, Lamont_Cranston.

[ZEEnon]

@Zeenon: Please check the rules post. The mod said to only use formatting if it has a purpose. Color changes are formatting.

It does have a purpose. Unrelated game speech. Related game speech.
I can't go a single game without at least

some

form of formatting!

OOC formatting is acceptable. It doesn't hurt my eyes, interfere with my reading, or irritate me, and ZEEnon does seem to be using it with a purpose.

[ZEEnon]

It was not a real vigilante shot, obviously.

Moderator: Can I use my ooc formatting? (e.g.

ZEEnon.

)

Pirated. Answered this a few posts ago.

[ZEEnon]

Where'd Lamount Say that, Zee?

Here.

[ZEEnon]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/ ... ESSONS.gif
Any questions?

Removed the img tags because one of the players apparently has a slow computer, and it's using too much resourcefulness. In the future, use links.

[ZEEnon]

magnus_orion is quite the scummy player, jumping on every vote quite rapidly.

[ZEEnon]

Lamont_Cranston's thoughts: "

Why is magnus_orion busing me so early?

"

[ZEEnon]

Pushing modkills-->Scummy.

[ZEEnon]

I actually like how Mastin puts the link to the post he is referring to when answering or commenting on something.
But maybe that's just because I have some weird formatting issues myself.

[ZEEnon]

Mastin, remind me why you think I'm scum. I'm a tad confused on that bit. Is it just 'cause I voted you?

You've had multiple changes of mind within three pages.
Are you attempting to draw reactions with your votes, or do you have a hidden agenda?

[ZEEnon]

Who here thinks that pushing mod kills is a scum tell?

Depends entirely on the situation.

[ZEEnon]

What can I say, I like to get to the point.

[ZEEnon]

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Yes, but my scum traps required me to "fall" for your scum traps. Rather than be the fall-guy, I make somebody else the fall-guy. Its safer.

Are you voting Lamont_Cranston in order to try and draw scum to his wagon?

I set someone up as a mislynch and see who agrees with me.

You can't even tell the alignment of the player, so how can you tell if it is a mislynch?

Unvote vote Mastin i didn't like his odd claiming in rvs, and his short quoting/mass one-liners is both annoying, and imo a distraction.

Is this necessarily scummy, or just unusual? If the latter, you should unvote and re-think.

Based upon Open 145, ZEEnon is not town.

IGMEOY

I suspected him in that game because I did not know that he does that frequently.
Therefore, this time I am taking that into consideration. Also keep in mind that he was scum in that game.

Post 6: ZEEnon is also on a lurker hunt based off of L_C.

This is post 6:

Fact: Kairyuu is in a game with magnus_orion.

Fact:

Kairyuu

magnus_orion is town.

Fact: Kairyuu has yet to be the same alignment as magnus_orion.

Conclusion:

magnus_orion

kairyuu is scum.

fixed

vote: kairyuu

1. This isn't mine.
2. I don't support lurker lynches without reasons.

So I have no idea what you are referring to.

My thoughts: ZEEnon still has his random vote at Ortolan (I'll be nice in this game for you, Orto). I wonder why?

My thoughts: Not everybody hops on wagons without questioning their suspects.

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I think magnus_orion is a much better candidate for scum than Lamont_Cranston.
Lamont_Cranston seems to be hunting, and I think he genuinely posted that note to the mod out of concern.
On the other hand, magnus_orion is playing defensively, which is exactly what scum tend to do.

Vote: magnus_orion

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[ZEEnon]

Maybe after lamont tells me what he thinks he's done that is scummy.

Other players are

not

expected to tell

you

why

you

are voting for them.

[ZEEnon]

Also, tell how you knew this time that he did it in other games as well.

It is quite evident that you haven't read the game through.

@Mastin (and ZEEnon as I'm not sure if he used this argument as well)
You are using as argument against Orto that he was late with confirming. Yet, Kai was either last or before Orto. So why wasn't this argument used as well against Kai?

That was a random vote, not an actual accusation ...

[ZEEnon]

Fully ignored what ?
(I suggest you stop twisting things for your own advantage.)

[ZEEnon]

Please stop with the lies.
Fully ignoring would not be commenting on your post at all.
I clearly do so in post 184.
If you had actually read the game you would have noticed:

If you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of that move, but you've ignored everyone else who tried to get you to stop, so I'm not even gonna bother trying.

This.

Note my comment on the matter. He does it all the time, and I am expecting that he will claim you to be scum and vote you now. That seems to be the general progression from what I've seen.

Or at least this.

[ZEEnon]

You seriously can't see where Kairyuu stated that Mastin has done this before?

[ZEEnon]

ZazieR, I just replied to your post 195 in less than a minute right now.
How could I not do the same with the other post?

[ZEEnon]

ZazieR, you are acting extremely hard to deal with right now.
First of all, I did not claim that I went to check out Mastin's meta to verify.
Second of all, you claim that I

changed

my post.
I wasn't going to post. The reason why I posted was to comment on what I seen.

[ZEEnon]

ZazieR, me voting him in Open 145 was just a joke because he claimed scum.
I interpreted his self vote in that game as a joke, and I voted him to fuel it.
His

reaction

to my vote was the problem.
He freaked out, posted a wall-of-text that I didn't bother to read, and then disappeared.

[ZEEnon]

The difference in this game is that he actually claimed to be a Shinigami,
and to me it seemed seriously. Which is why I questioned him.
In the other game, it seemed like a joke:

With that in mind, let's start scum-hunting, shall we?

Mastin Votes: Mastin.

Doesn't seem very serious to me.

[ZEEnon]

EBWOP:

The difference in this game is that he actually claimed to be a Shinigami,
and to me it seemed serious

ly

. Which is why I questioned him.

[ZEEnon]

Ah, I see why you did that now.
Not sure if it will achieve anything, but i'll trust your judgement.

I state here that I realize why Mastin did what he did.
Not that I necessarily agree that is actually

works

.

[ZEEnon]

EBWOP:

Not that I necessarily agree that i

t

actually works.

[ZEEnon]

I'm the one who first brought up magnus_orion's constant sways of opinion.
I'm pretty sure i've contributed to this game thus far.
Please explain how my gameplay is dodgy.

[ZEEnon]

Incorrect.

I swear, this is truly an interesting day for me. I never knew such mind melds were possible.

Zee says what would take me paragraphs and minutes to.

[ZEEnon]

Just do what I do and just skim it.

[ZEEnon]

Didn't I already explain the differences between that game and this game?
Yet you haven't even considered my explanation?

[ZEEnon]

Zee, I have found your play as town. More experienced players have brought up a meta-argument that would indicate you were looking for an excuse not to push a mastin lynch. I am following their arguments as I missed this point in my read of the game.

You state that you find my play as town, but don't say whether it matches up with what they have stated.
What was the point of you looking up my town meta in the first place?

[ZEEnon]

As much as I like the ring to that word, i'm going to have to decline your offer.

[ZEEnon]

What. The. Hell.

[ZEEnon]

Do you have something to say about any explanation Mastin has given in post 229 or not?

Obviously not, otherwise I would have posted something.

[ZEEnon]

The reason why he voted Mastin in the previous game and how he reacted to Mastin in that game. Mastin is doing the exact same things, yet ZEEnon doesn't see it as scummy in this game.

You completely ignored my explanation. Congrats.

[ZEEnon]

I knew he was town too, we were much too similar.

[ZEEnon]

Wow, was that a mod kill or a vig kill?

Yeah i was wondering that too.

I third this question.

[ZEEnon]

I was under the impression that Ray Penber would be a tracker of some sort.
I also didn't realize that roles would not be shown upon death.

Mastin - 5 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, zwetschenwasser, WeyounsLastClone)

So basically we are starting in a 25 player game with some information to work with.

[ZEEnon]

I'm saying we have more information.
I didn't say that one of those players has to be scum so we should start picking them off one by one.

[ZEEnon]

Ah, good point mykonian.

[ZEEnon]

I just went back to see what that post was that ZazieR was referring to,
and for some reason it seems I totally missed it.

1) I like your Orto vote

That vote was random. You liked my random vote?

[ZEEnon]

Have you anything to support this, or is it just speculation based on the source material?

Speculation based on my viewing of Death Note.

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ZazieR, it's really irritating when your responses to what I say are 'I'll get back to you' or something like that.
It's like you already choose me as your lynch target, but you need to form a case.

[ZEEnon]

I want to make it clear that I am against name claims in this game.

I agree with this.

[ZEEnon]

Case is there, based upon posts you've already made, so you don't have to worry that there's no case ;).

Your case exists entirely of my varying reaction to Mastin's self-vote.
I already explained that Kairyuu alluded to the fact that this is a regular habit of Mastin's,
while in Polygamist Mafia nobody mentioned that. You can go see for yourself whether or not that is the truth.

[ZEEnon]

Lamont, Zeenon, Benmage. You three exhibited these behaviours aye?

I was working on a post right before the kill happened.
You see evidence of that since I posted the next two posted extremely quickly.
Just because people were posting when it happened doesn't mean they are the ones that caused the death.
If your theory about death notes are correct, the player can probably choose the time it occurs.
Do you really think the death note user would post when their kill was supposed to occur? I think not.
I think that the chances are greater that it was a vigilante kill.
You seem to have a lot of inside knowledge.

[ZEEnon]

I can't be long, but I skimmed through and I think zwetschenwasser is lying.
He isn't

that

stupid. Well, at least let's hope not.

[ZEEnon]

I've been a bit busy lately, I apologize.
I'll post soon after I skim through what I missed.
I hate reading this much pages ..

[ZEEnon]

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Anyway, ZEE is deliberately avoiding answering his questions. Lynching him would be slightly experimental, but I'm down for it.

Disgusting. I see opportunistic scum right here.

ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc)

Moderator:

There is two votes on me, not one.

You meant to say, "There are two votes on me."

Oh, also noted.

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Anyways, I am currently in exam period.
I did state that I was going to preform a re-read, but being the procrastinator I am, I failed to do so.
I will try really hard to follow through tomorrow, since it is a weekend.

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[ZEEnon]

________________________________________________________________________

I finished my last exam today! I'll reply to things tonight when I get back. I promise!
One thing that bugs me is that people are interpreting what I do the wrong way.
I

never

said that Mastin was a shinigami, nor did I think so.
I said that he

claimed

to be a shinigami, but it was quite obvious he was bluffing.
I'm going to look back to see who said that tonight. Glad that misconception is out of the way.

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[ZEEnon]

Lamont_Cranston, please show me where I said for a vigilante to

not

shoot him.

[ZEEnon]

Hey zwetschenwasser!

[ZEEnon]

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

Here I state a fact. I thought that Magnus didn't realize that Mastin wouldn't be killed if he actually was a shinigami.

[ZEEnon]

1) Wants to keep the town from destroying the note
2) Pretends like Mastin wasn't being scummy based on previous games as a bogus excuse
3) Then pretends he knew Mastin was town all along to cover why he discouraged killing him when he finally realized Mastin was town.

1) No. Where did I state this? Where did I even hint this?
2) You obviously don't play a lot of mafia games. What kind of scum purposely does what Mastin did? Do you play like that as scum?
3) I did. Besides his continuous buddying up to me, there was nothing wrong with his play. That's my opinion, and I stick to it.

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Do you see a lot of scum purposely play as Mastin did?
What purpose would scum have to claim scum? The worst he could be was a jester.
If he

was

a jester, what point would we have to lynch him?
If I

was

scum like you say I am, I would have known he was town.
Why would I not jump on his action like.. oh I don't know.. you did?
To make myself look good? This situation doesn't look like i'm in a positive light to me ...

[ZEEnon]

Ugh, my previous post's format is really bad.

[ZEEnon]

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Alright, after a long period of

procrastinating

reading, i'm finally caught up!
I couldn't post yesterday since the thread was locked. I think that was to do with the modkill ?
First of all, I think that those players subtly voicing their suspicions of me are more suspicious than the active ralliers.
I really feel that ZazieR is misunderstanding my meta, and that she is town.
Since I did suspect magnus_orion, I looked at his posts in isolation.
Besides the beginning vote hopping, which he explains is part of his meta, he looks more pro-town than anyone at this point.

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More posts to come !

[ZEEnon]

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I would try to look for his "certain" defenders. People that would be more certain of his innocence than would be normal for mere blind villagers...

So instead of looking for scum that were very likely pushing the Mastin lynch, you want us to go to look
at the people that could actually tell he was town, and assume that they were scum with second-hand knowledge?
Sounds to me like you want to steer clear of Mastin-lynch supporter suspicions because you were on it.

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[ZEEnon]

___________________________________________________________________________

Why are you asking for a character claim already?

Zaz seems awfully preoccupied with Misa Misa. I didn't think she'd claim Misa but wanted a straight answer for the record.

Unvote, Vote Spolium

I want to make it clear that I am against name claims in this game.

This seems like a horrible excuse to place your vote, Kmd4390.
I'm assuming Misa Amane has a death note therefore she is scum.
I don't see the point of asking someone that question, but I don't see anything particularily wrong with it.

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[ZEEnon]

___________________________________________________________________________

Mastin did. He even mentioned that two players could confirm this.
And I already told you my issue with the point you just mentioned about Kai.

This is a blatant lie.
Please go re-read the beginning stages of the game before you twist the facts.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... c&&start=0
I do not see him saying anything about it. Unless it was after I replaced?
I didn't really bother to read the game when I replaced out ..

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[ZEEnon]

No. My hunting policy is clear. Mastin was using crap play, those on his wagon have the most justification for their vote and (since there can usually always be scum found off any wagon anyway) I prefer to hunt off the wagon. I believe this makes it easier for me to find scum.

There isn't anything wrong with finding scum off the wagon.
I'm saying that I do not agree with your thinking that the people that defended him are more likely to be scum.

[ZEEnon]

POINT #1:

Zee lies about how he sees Mastin's alignment

I

never

said that Mastin was a shinigami, nor did I think so.
I said that he

claimed

to be a shinigami, but it was quite obvious he was bluffing.

The difference in this game is that he actually claimed to be a Shinigami,
and to me it seemed serious

ly

. Which is why I questioned him.

The claim seemed serious. Doesn't mean I believed it.

[ZEEnon]

Mastin should be vig-killed

if possible due to wifom.
Since that is my position, voting him is pointless.

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.

They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

@Zee:

If Mastin is

not

Shinigami then what would a vig kill do to him? (we all know the answer, "kill him".)

As I said yesterday, I stated a fact.
He

claimed

to be a shinigami. I stated what would happen if his claim was true.

Therefore why point it out to Magnus who is calling for a vig kill if Mastin is

not

a Shinigami??

Why are you lying about this

??

I didn't think magnus_orion realized that shinigami were unkillable. What am I lying about?

[ZEEnon]

Zeenon: If Mastin was not a Shinigami then what would a vig kill do to him?

Kill him. I never said that it wouldn't did I ?
If I did, please bring it to my attention.

[ZEEnon]

POINT #2

Zee hides his previous knowledge of Mastin's behavior

You obviously don't play a lot of mafia games.

What kind of scum purposely does what Mastin did?

Besides his continuous buddying up to me, there was nothing wrong with his play.

I said that scum wouldn't do that.
Then I re-affirm that by saying that there was nothing wrong with him play besides buddying up to me.
I don't see what's wrong here. Can you explain?

[ZEEnon]

ZazieR, you are acting extremely hard to deal with right now.
First of all, I did not claim that I went to check out Mastin's meta to verify.
Second of all, you claim that I

changed

my post.
I wasn't going to post. The reason why I posted was to comment on what I seen.

See the second line in which I state that even without checking it seems very unlikely.
And if you didn't change your post, it means you didn't want to vote Mastin for the same thing you voted him in Open 145 to start with.
So which is it? Did you or did you not want to vote Mastin for the same reason you voted him in Open 145 and why?

The reason why he voted Mastin in the previous game and how he reacted to Mastin in that game. Mastin is doing the exact same things, yet ZEEnon doesn't see it as scummy in this game.

Mastin was scum in Open 145. Why do you not acknowledge this in

this

game?

Why are you hiding from this

?

I answered this so many times it's hurting me just reading it! Kairyuu hinted at the fact that Mastin does it all the time.
My vote for Mastin in Open 145 was

NOT SERIOUS.

I did

NOT

this he was scum because of the self vote that game.

STOP

inferring that I did. His

REACTION

to my vote is what made me sure he was scum.

[ZEEnon]

EBWOP:

I did

NOT

this

think

he was scum because of the self vote that game.

[ZEEnon]

POINT #3

Zee commits terrible a terrible logical "error" about Mastin's alignment

If I

was

scum like you say I am, I would have known he was town.

WRONG! How do you still make these mistakes after the game has been going on this long?? All you would know is that he is

not scum

. How can you make these logical mistakes??

Huh? If I was scum, I would know who is on my time and who isn't.

[ZEEnon]

I'll answer the rest when I get back, I have to go out.

[ZEEnon]

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I just got back into the city after a very tiresome trip.
I don't have the energy to read through this day in it's entirety, but I did catch this:

I think LC’s case on ZEE is pretty solid.

Here Benmage says the case on me is pretty solid, (which it ISN'T, by the way) and then ...

Kise seems pretty ridiculous, why is he soft claiming a connection… vote Kise

Suddenly he pops a vote for Kise! For what? A connection? Who cares ... ?

Vote: Benmage

Now time to sleep .. z-z-z ...

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[ZEEnon]

I loved this game so much I even watched from after I was replaced. It was pretty suspenseful on the last two days and it was exciting having the QTs still so I could see some of the things behind the scenes such as the "Starbuck Slip". I think that the town had most of the alignments figured out at the end (Lamont's lists were pretty accurate), but the scum definitely had the advantage due to thei win conditions and the amount of Shinigami. ZazieR had me figured out pretty early due to meta which was unfortunate, and I learned that I play better by only playing one game at a time. Thanks for modding, Gelus!

[ZEEnon]

That was really enjoyable and I doubt I would have used that QT for anything other than roleplaying.
Well played on your part, Xylthixlm.