Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[zwetschenwasser]

Mastin never plays this way at the beginning of the game. He's acting too gutsy to be anything less than gambiting scum.

Vote: Mastin

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan,

Mastin

, Starbuck)

Mastin

- 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 2 (mykonian, Seraphim)
ortolan - 1 (ZEEnon)
benmage - 1 (Kmd4390)
Kmd4390 - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Not voting:

cateraction

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Kise, Stephoscope, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

Light... Yagami!

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't find Lamont scummy. I've tried to get modkills of players as town.

[zwetschenwasser]

Mastin might be a jester. We should concentrate on lynching scum.

Look at KMD's behavior in Paris Mafia. He has become a role model for jesters, and a convenient way for scum to WIFOM the town out of lynching them. I call BS on Mastin's assertion that he plays this way at the start of games, as I've never seen him be this completely gutsy and over-the-top random. IT'S TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOO SCUMMY TO BE TOWN.

[zwetschenwasser]

^obvtown

[zwetschenwasser]

At least I'm the not the only one who sees Mastin's early play as a WIFOM gambit.

[zwetschenwasser]

Huh?

[zwetschenwasser]

FYI, I was a one sided lover with Mastin, though I only knew his rolename, not his identity. Because of his death I have gained the power to track people at night.

[zwetschenwasser]

In my opinion, opening with a post claiming you are scum is a very bad start.

Couldn't agree more. That's why I voted Mastin. Speculating he's a Jester doesn't help anyone though

The jester speculation was an opportunistic twisting of my initial logic. I'm not sure why this is coming up.

[zwetschenwasser]

Do you know what one-sided means? If I died he would also have died, but not vice versa.

Votecount
Kise - 3 (Starbuck, ortolan, populartajo)
Spolium - 2 (Kmd4390, mykonian)
mykonian - 2 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (magnus_orion)
Kairyuu - 1 (Spolium)
ZEEnon - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, Kairyuu, Benmage,

ZazieR

, Jebus, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, ZEEnon, PhilyEc, Lamont_Cranston

Bang! If I were Kira, you'd be dead.

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

What is your reason for coming out with this roleclaim?

People were speculating as to whether or not mastin was a tracker. I'm confirming he was.

[zwetschenwasser]

zwet: did you know Mastin was town before he died? and when did you find out he had been a tracker?

I agree that it was probably unnecessary/undesirable for you to claim

Nobody believed my fakeclaim...

[zwetschenwasser]

Zaz wins! I did not fakeclaim.

The earlier questions:
Ok, I saw that you already stated your reason for claiming. So I'll only ask why you didn't soft-claim by stating that you think he was a tracker, or something like that?

I didn't know that Mastin in particular was R. I only knew that R was my lover.

Second question, did you already know that he was your lover at the start of this game?

I only knew that the rolename R was my lover, not the person who was attached to the rolename

Third, how did you learn you became a tracker?

Mod PM

And last but not least, since when do you remember to whom you are paired >.<?

Huh?

[zwetschenwasser]

WTF ZWET

YES I HAVE CONFUSED THE PROLETARIAT

[zwetschenwasser]

You mean once I get a chance to get results.

[zwetschenwasser]

Zaz, have you checked medieval yet?

[zwetschenwasser]

I fakeclaimed fakeclaiming after I real claimed.

[zwetschenwasser]

I fakeclaimed fakeclaiming after I real claimed.

I see. Why?

[zwetschenwasser]

Please tell me I'm not getting lynched.

[zwetschenwasser]

Fakeclaiming in medieval helped town to win by nabbing TSQ. So I don't think that was a good anti-fakeclaim example.

[zwetschenwasser]

Please tell me I'm not getting lynched.

Are you scared to be lynched?
I don't see why you should be as your claim fits Naomi Penber, who seems more likely to be anti-kira than something else, but I find it suspicious when players are scared of their lynch.

I'm not scared, but simply annoyed. Also, I thought scum couldn't be lynched in the first place...

[zwetschenwasser]

ABR = Jester. Only Jesters bring up such a role out of nowhere. Leave him be.

Actually pretty sure I’ve seen him bring up jesters beforehand.

I am not posting any more until we lynch zwet.

Was wondering when this would happen.

He said the exact same thing in another game. Refusing to contribute until he gets his precious policy lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

mod

I don't know if it is possible, but you could ask Mastin to replace a person that cannot keep up. He has at least read the first part of the game (that is the hardest to read).

*facepalm*

[zwetschenwasser]

ROFL:-)

[zwetschenwasser]

I've completely forgotten who our mod actually is...

[zwetschenwasser]

[zwetschenwasser]

Also, update your sig! We only need two now.

[zwetschenwasser]

I can see gorrad, seems to be a lurker.

I'm trying to keep up with this game, and failing miserably. Give me a bit.

Jebus alt?

[zwetschenwasser]

[zwetschenwasser]

Um... de ja vu?

[zwetschenwasser]

Don't you see I'm trying to get the scum into a WIFOM gambit about killing me tonight? I don't want them to know if I'm a tracker or not, so I'm fakeclaiming and fakeclaiming about fakeclaiming to confuse them.

[zwetschenwasser]

Actually, I'm a watcher. *ducks*

[zwetschenwasser]

vote zwet

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[zwetschenwasser]

He has gone on a silence strike in honor of my life. You're not going to get anything out of him for the time being.

[zwetschenwasser]

ABR Summary

:

Mastin is a jester. Let's lynch Zwet. Oh ya don't worry about the jester comment, I just didn't want the town to kill Mastin... I don't need to explain anything, I'm staying quiet until we lynch Zwet.

Anybody see anything wrong with this??

Nope. Looks perfectly normal, pro-town analysis and contribution.

[zwetschenwasser]

I thought there were more...

[zwetschenwasser]

Mastin is confirmed town by my role PM.

[zwetschenwasser]

What's scummy about myk?

[zwetschenwasser]

Still lagging behind - 46/49 (three pages left )

Please don't post any more so I can catch up before there's another ten pages D:

*grah*

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

[zwetschenwasser]

We specifically told Jebus to stop catching up for a little bit and give his opinion on something.

[zwetschenwasser]

We specifically told Jebus to stop catching up for a little bit and give his opinion on something.

I've replaced many times and had to catch up in games. I'd read through the game. Highlight whats scummy, give a little [onto page x] at the end of the post and keep at it till Im caught up. Jebus would do this if he was bothered. I've seen him flake constantly, cant say the same for others but we should just wait for him to be replaced (and go easy on the new guy).

Uh, no.

[zwetschenwasser]

NFO! LC IS TOWNDAMMIT

[zwetschenwasser]

Ben, quoting one fun Zaz post doesn't make her entire game meaningless.

[zwetschenwasser]

I like seeing her posts. I READ them. I think about them (maybe just briefly) and I move on. But I don't complain about them because they are helpful to the town. I'm trying to figure out why you can't see that...

Because i had to go through the most frustrating misunderstanding ever over a non-issue and i never wish it upon anyone.

WTF?

[zwetschenwasser]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

[zwetschenwasser]

So... you believe Ben made a simple mistake?

Impossible... . what mistake? voting you/zazi?

Confirm vote: Benmage

Also, smiling at ABR's replacement jackassery, which he's done about four times by now.

[zwetschenwasser]

Hi zeenon!

[zwetschenwasser]

You can't blame him. Mastin was as scummy as hell.

[zwetschenwasser]

Ok, I''ll have to go soon, but first:

Mod

- Do we get to hear Phily''s rolename?

I think modkills automatically become anonymous neutral survivors.

[zwetschenwasser]

I didn't expect Phily to do something like that. He's a pretty nice, ordinary mafia player in the games I've been in with him. Anyway,

Vote: Jebus/Jebus' replacement

for WAY too much dodging of critical issues.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't like how myk is still apparently considering who he's going to vote for in 1624. That should be the last thing he's thinking about with so many votes on him.

Huh? Isn't it good that a dying player gives his opinions on the game before he dies? Are you trying to deprive the town of valuable information?

FoS: ortolan

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Mykonian

[zwetschenwasser]

Did I hammer or not?

[zwetschenwasser]

Mod: what happens if a player with a death note is mod-killed?

We'd deal with it on a case-by-case basis. Let's hope it's not necessary to find out.

This is NOT reassuring. On another note, Gorrad, why are you so sure that only one of the wagons is scum driven?

[zwetschenwasser]

Don't you mean L-3?

[zwetschenwasser]

Oops. Nevermind.

Unvote

[zwetschenwasser]

It should be L-1 now.

[zwetschenwasser]

It WAS L-1 until I unvoted.

[zwetschenwasser]

I definitely just said that.

[zwetschenwasser]

But she never addressed the Myko case and I don't think she has ever explained why she's suspicious of Myko.

Don't you think it's at least more than what Stepho said?

Steph has addressed the case. See my quote in post 1755.
My problem with him is that he's voting somebody for something he's doing.

I'm a bit overwhelmed by a game with so many players and that moves so fast.

If I know I'm innocent, it's not hypocritical to suspect others who show signs of potentially being guilty. A professional player who bulks up naturally has valid reasons to suspect other large professional baseball players of using steroids.

Who else gets major paranoid vibes from this?

[zwetschenwasser]

ATTN ALL: I will be V/LA for approximately a month beginning this Sunday. However, I will be posting regularly for one and a half weeks of that month. If you feel a need for me to be replaced, please do so, but I would like to stay in my games. Thanks

[zwetschenwasser]

It looks sarcastic, Zaz.

[zwetschenwasser]

I just skimmed this, and there is little more I can do on the moment, but I read that I had to claim. Well, so be it. I won't nameclaim, because what KMD said, and it is better to take no risks.

I'm a dayvig. I don't have to use a deathnote for that Mastin was my kill.

GRAAAAHHH!!!

[zwetschenwasser]

I just skimmed this, and there is little more I can do on the moment, but I read that I had to claim. Well, so be it. I won't nameclaim, because what KMD said, and it is better to take no risks.

I'm a dayvig. I don't have to use a deathnote for that Mastin was my kill.

GRAAAAHHH!!!

[zwetschenwasser]

Please remember that I'm still V/LA, Lamont. How the heck am I lurking?

[zwetschenwasser]

Sorry, Lamont. I was referring to poptajo.

[zwetschenwasser]

I think I got roleblocked last night...

[zwetschenwasser]

@Steph - one thing you need to realize is that im always town. I think ive been lynched twice in about 25 games. You also are applying something along the lines of "too townie" here. I am scum since no one is calling me scum, it must means my partners are calling me town. See the logic fail there? Should I just call you scum some more since you wagon isnt growing, it means that your buddies are still trying to get someone else lynched instead.

@kmd - You are calling both Steph and MBL scum IIRC, who is scummier and why?

Unvote; Vote: LlamaFluff

[zwetschenwasser]

@Steph - one thing you need to realize is that im always town. I think ive been lynched twice in about 25 games.

I have no idea how you thought this statement would help your cause. If you were town in your 25 first games here, that would not change your chances of being scum now. And I'd say anyone who's been lynched only twice in 25 games must be excellent at playing as scum.

This is my essential logic.

[zwetschenwasser]

You seem to be reading into something that isn't there at all.

Currently, I'm happy with my vote on L_C. I've been reading along but there has really been nothing that has made me want to change my vote. So why do I need to talk about him more when I stated my case when I voted?

You definitely are not taking into consideration the sheer lack that L_C has been posting lately.

And how am I the #1 wagoner? I didn't realize I reached such a prestige, care to show me how?


You seem to be grasping at quite a lot straws.

LC is scummy?

[zwetschenwasser]

Miller claim?

This appears to be a Zwet-like move. In some circles I've heard it said that claiming Miller right off is helpful if you are town. I really tend to disagree because it causes too much confusion. Probably the best way to play miller as town is to play a really low-key game and avoid suspicion.

How is it Zwet like? Also I've read every MD discussion thread on Millers and 99% of MS thinks that it's best to claim Miller right off the bat.

I can actually link you to a game where Zwet claimed death miller as scum.

I disagree with you and I suspect you are scum doing this. I also disagree that Orto was a miller. In fact I think Orto was scum and I can explain why:

Orto and Kai were the two last people to confirm in this game. I'm willing to give Kai a pass on it because he does tend to be away alot. But Orto I do not. You see, I can show you where Orto was actively posting in the final stages of LAL by Yosarian for 2 days while this game waited in night chat for scum.

Does anyone buy Orto saying "Whoops, I forgot? "

I sure as heck don't. He is very experienced and personally when I get a new role PM for a new game I jump on it. Now, if I know that scum have night chat I jump on it IMMEDIATELY.

Orto just didn't think anyone would notice he was active in another game. I called him out by saying I noticed him in LAL and asking him what took so long to confirm. He had a strange tunneling on me the whole game after that...

Fine. This Miller crap has got to go.

Unvote, Vote SSK

I was town in that game. Better reread the ending...

[zwetschenwasser]

Do you remember his alignment?

Of course, he was a pro-town mason like me. But I'm not sure I see any reason for his being duplicitous here unless he's scum.

Faking PR I still say is not a detriment to a town and is as thus not a gambit.

It was detrimental. I would have managed to mislynch you if you hadnt been a mason.

PR faking is a nulltell in my book. If you're a badass town powerrole I would pretend to be disabled to draw the nightkill away from myself.

Votecount
MafiaSSK - 5 (Lamont_Cranston, Benmage, Stephoscope, Gorrad, populartajo)
Stephoscope - 4 (Llamafluff, magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Kmd4390)
Lamont - 2 (MrBuddyLee, Starbuck)
LlamaFluff - 1 (Zwetchenwasser)
MrBuddyLee - 1 (mykonian)
Starbuck - 1 (Vi)
Skruffs - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not voting: MafiaSSK, Skruffs, Seraphim, ZEEnon, ThAdmiral

Yes. Showing myself, and the loss of those FIB agents' lives, means... I lost.

With 20 alive, it's 11 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

Sigh.

[zwetschenwasser]

First of all, I didn't say he was scummy for claiming at L-1. I said that his

motivation

for claiming was because he was at L-1; that's completely different.

It appears you have missed the point that both of their claims are mutually exclusive.

Please re-read my posts from today, kthx.

You can read his mind from a neutral L-1 claim? I don't think so.

[zwetschenwasser]

Oi!

[zwetschenwasser]

That means nothing.

[zwetschenwasser]

@Zwet:

Can you please verify that Stepho is a good fake claimer?

*facepalm* are you mafia or a cult recruiter?

[zwetschenwasser]

NOW you finally try to do something to verify his claim. Is it that hard?

[zwetschenwasser]

Dammit.

Unvote

I think we all need to look hard at the SSK wagon.

THANK YOU

[zwetschenwasser]

Lamont has been stubborn as a mule, stephoscope is town.

[zwetschenwasser]

unvote, vote zwet

???

[zwetschenwasser]

y?

Lamont_Cranston -3 (Gorrad, populartajo, MrBuddyLee)
mykonian -1 (Kairyuu)
WeyounsLastClone -1 (Kmd4390)
millar13 -1 (WeyounsLastClone)
zwetchenwasser -1 (xylthixlm)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser, mykonian, Kmd4390 Gorrad, millar13, Starbuck, DeathNote, Stephoscope, Lamont_Cranston, LlamaFluff,

Justice will be brought upon evil people.

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

PR faking is a nulltell in my book. If you're a badass town powerrole I would pretend to be disabled to draw the nightkill away from myself.

No. Simply, no.

The power of being able to catch scum by finding fake claims is

much

better for the town than the power to mislead scum by faking power roles. A game where anyone can change their claim at will is paradise for scum. The town should always be able to assume that townies tell the truth, and that anyone who is caught in a lie, or anyone who changes a claim, is scum. Period. Anything else cripples the town's ability to scumhunt. Lying is not and never will be a nulltell.

Zwet was clearly trying to test the waters for possibly changing his claim if he is countered. Now we have three other claimed info roles. Zwet's claim is obviously false. He needs to be lynched.

How is my claim obviously false?

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm not mikawhatever. I'm Naomi Misora.

[zwetschenwasser]

I was also recruited into the SPK night 1.

[zwetschenwasser]

nobody ever posted in the quicktopic, so I'm assuming I'm the only one.

[zwetschenwasser]

I see no reason to disbelieve the thing about SPK, but it doesn't confirm zwet's alignment at all.

zwet, claim your results.

no result night 1, I forgot to send an action n2, and no result n3. I didn't get a PM at all in response to either of my actions, so I'm assuming something happened both nights.

[zwetschenwasser]

I was also recruited into the SPK night 1.

SPK? Not the Task Force?

No, the SPK, whatever that is.

[zwetschenwasser]

confused myself with another game. sheesh I suck at remembering my role actions and such.

[zwetschenwasser]

yes, I forgot I was a mason before and that I had a quicktopic. :-/

[zwetschenwasser]

so I forgot to send an action N1, and last night I tracked stephoscope and got no result (as in no response pm)

[zwetschenwasser]

NOW I understand what I did. My PM sentbox is a messs...

[zwetschenwasser]

I was worried whether I got into the SPK Night 1 or Night 2, because I thought we had had a night 3, so I was confusing myself. so I was recruited n1. yayz

zwetchenwasser -6 (xylthixlm, populartajo, Lamont_Cranston, Knight of Cydonia, LlamaFluff)
mykonian -1 (Kairyuu)
WeyounsLastClone -1 (Kmd4390)

Not voting: zwetschenwasser, mykonian, Kmd4390 Gorrad, Starbuck, DeathNote, Stephoscope, WeyounsLastClone

That is all you have to do to change people's way of thinking.

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

N1 I forgot to send an action. N2 I did send an action. I thought that last night was N3.

[zwetschenwasser]

I have no PM addressed to Gelus during the time span that was N1. I just checked. So I must not have sent an N1 action, or I deleted the PM. I DON'T REMEMBER DAMMIT.

[zwetschenwasser]

Im not buying this crap.

Also, if zwet is scum as I strongly suspect, Fluff is scum with him.

You heard it here first.

I got myself confused. It happens.

[zwetschenwasser]

I was V/LA. :-/

[zwetschenwasser]

I DID and I got confused. So I checked it again and unconfused myself.

[zwetschenwasser]

...

[zwetschenwasser]

And the mod just apologized because he forgot to send me the results of last night. Stepho targetted Llamafluff and WeyounsLastClone.

[zwetschenwasser]

Which one could watari be? hm...

[zwetschenwasser]

well, we've got two easily confirmable/confirmed town now.

[zwetschenwasser]

you+me

[zwetschenwasser]

I find that completely unfair that I have been considered lurking, Lamont. So far, all of my posts except for one asking how many kiras there were, have been ignored. Most of my time has been spent reading up to current events.

Um... you are lurking.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm seeing KoC as very town.

[zwetschenwasser]

Kairyuu is doing an excellent job of convincing me.

Unvote; Vote: mykonian

[zwetschenwasser]

Anybody else think that Lamont is our dayvig?

[zwetschenwasser]

^this. Anyway, Xyl I'm starting to get slightly scummy vibes from his debate with Lamont that in retrospect seems slightly contrived and false.

[zwetschenwasser]

No, Lamont was genuine, but Xyl was just playing along.

[zwetschenwasser]

No, Lamont was genuine, but Xyl was just playing along.

You are confused because I was acting like Lamont was a confused townie rather than possible scum. Yes?

somewhat...

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't follow you.

[zwetschenwasser]

For pretty logical reasoning.

[zwetschenwasser]

For pretty logical reasoning.

You were voting myk. Why?

Kairyuu convinced me.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why is zwet still alive?

because I'm confirmed tracker and easily confirmable town.

Vote Count
Kmd4390 -1 (xylthixlm)
zwetchenwasser -1 (MrBuddyLee)
Not voting: mykonian, Kmd4390 Gorrad, WeyounsLastClone, Knight of Cydonia, Lamont_Cranston, populartajo, DeathNote, Starbuck, Llamafluff, zwetchenwasser, Kairyuu, Stephoscope

Then there's L...

With 15 alive, it's 8 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

Why is zwet still alive?

because I'm confirmed tracker and easily confirmable town.

[zwetschenwasser]

The lover deal points some favor my way. Scumgroups usually don't have loverpairs.

[zwetschenwasser]

Too much of Kairyuu pulling WIFOM out of his butt.

[zwetschenwasser]

I never had a night talk...

[zwetschenwasser]

I have no distinguishable town fakeclaim.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm actually reading the manga now... Quite fascinating. My role just died...

[zwetschenwasser]

And there is someone still insisting on voting DeathNote. Sigh.

[zwetschenwasser]

By forcing him to tell us before we lynch him.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'll hammer tajo if need be.

[zwetschenwasser]

This makes no sense. How does us knowing who Misa is make the information useless?

[zwetschenwasser]

Um... Light's sister meets Misa at Light's house when Misa comes over to talk to Light, and she talks about a notebook he left at the university... :-/

[zwetschenwasser]

Eh! Matsui! I keel you!

[zwetschenwasser]

Ah yes, I forgot.

Unvote; Vote: populartajo

[zwetschenwasser]

I know. But I didn't want a no lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

Let's see. Don't forget that Misa pretty much is stupid and Yagami's slave. So now that Light is dead Misa technically has no reason to live, and is pretty much a puppet without a puppetteer. So it's a pretty good possibility that Misa can't pass her death note to anybody.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'd much rather lynch Llamafluff over Starbuck.

[zwetschenwasser]

Yes.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm working on the assumption that Misa either never could or can no longer give away her death note.

[zwetschenwasser]

If it's LYLO, I can see how KoC might be pushing for an easy lynch. However, I fail to see how getting rid of llamafluff's death note would end the game.

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Llamafluff

And FoS to anyone insisting that lynching a Shinigami is antitown.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm seeing KoC as a possible alternative Misa Amane. Unless Starbuck and KoC are working together to play us all as fools by mislynching Llama and possibly ending the game. SO MUCH WIFOM!

[zwetschenwasser]

AHA! I've figured it out! Since it's safe to assume that Misa and Rem have unlimited nighttalk and possibly daytalk, KoC could have been in contact with her if he were Rem or Misa! So one of KoC and Starbuck is misa, and assuming that they made a backup plan in case this was brought up as a possibility, they switched each other's names and started a half-hearted fake debate. So Starbuck is REM!

Unvote; Vote: Starbuck

[zwetschenwasser]

Also, Misa didn't swallow the death note. Light did after writing down Higuchi's name.

[zwetschenwasser]

Or whoever the yotsuba kira's name was.

[zwetschenwasser]

What name did you use to contact Misa? Rem?

Starbuck -2 (Knight of Cydonia, xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser)
MrBuddyLee -2 (Kmd4390, Lamont_Cranston)
Llamafluff -2 (DeathNote, Starbuck)
Xylthixlm -1 (Kairyuu)

Not voting: mykonian, MrBuddyLee, Gorrad, Stephoscope, LlamaFluff

I did say that, but...

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

LC, what do you think of my hypothesis?

[zwetschenwasser]

Where do you get the number of Shinigami from?

Unvote

There are three main shinigami in the series: Ryuk, Rem, and Sidoh. There is a fourth, but he shows up as a minor character in the epilogue story.

[zwetschenwasser]

I simply called my self Aizawa in the Quicktopic.

I highly doubt that anyone as good a player as Starbuck would claim so rashly without researching the background of the Aizawa character. You're clearly lying about something major in your story.

[zwetschenwasser]

I suspect that Llamafluff could be any one of the radical kira supporters: Demegawa, Mikami, possibly one of Takada's bodyguards.

[zwetschenwasser]

Steph could be any sort of fakeclaiming role, with any sort of strange ability. I'm of the opinion that Light is not self aligned, but is a member of a different scum faction than the mere pawns of Kira (e.g. Higuchi/Takada). Stephoscope and Llamafluff could be members of this faction, while Rem (Starbuck) is self-aligned and Misa is a part of Light's inner circle faction along with some other scum, possibly Xyl.

[zwetschenwasser]

From the wording of Xyl's claim, I think it safe to think it is a false claim. Lind L. Taylor is much too minor a character to be in some way connected to L's identity. L in the series is much too cautious to allow Taylor to be given even a hint as to L's identity/alignment. Also, note how right after his claim Xyl references death note's wiki to help convince people. I wouldn't be surprised if Xyl formulated his claim based solely on the wiki page.

[zwetschenwasser]

so then how do you propose that I fooled Weyoun? And why would Watari have started the game talking to me, if I'm not L?

Watari is able to be contacted by several agencies apart from just L in the series. Interpol, for example.

[zwetschenwasser]

If you're really L, why would scum not go for the money and kill you ASAP? You're the main detective with the most power at the moment, right?

[zwetschenwasser]

I find it interesting that Watari died the night after you recruited him.

[zwetschenwasser]

From your claim to be able to read role PM's, I'm going to assume that you're a character with the possession of Shinigami eyes.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm pretty much thinking out loud at the moment.

[zwetschenwasser]

BTW steph, there's not really any antitown tracker-like characters in the series that really matter besides Light. So I'm considering myself confirmed town now.

Starbuck -2 (Knight of Cydonia, xylthixlm, zwetschenwasser)
Llamafluff -2 (DeathNote, Starbuck)
MrBuddyLee -1 (Kmd4390)
Xylthixlm -1 (Kairyuu)
zwetchenwasser -1 (Stephoscope)

Not voting: mykonian, MrBuddyLee, Gorrad, LlamaFluff, Lamont_Cranston

Something was wrong with me then!

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm pretty much thinking out loud at the moment.

Well, you should probably think before you post. Your assertion that Watari died the night after I recruited him is incorrect for several reasons.

Uh... how many people are in your kira-hunting organization right now?

[zwetschenwasser]

Well, I'm going now, but I'm pretty sure some part/parts of my theory are close to the truth.

[zwetschenwasser]

Vote: Llamafluff

I can't believe you're all buying into this Kairyuu/Xyl diversion. It is clear that Xyl is lying about his nighttalk ability, so I'm assuming that he is one of Yagami's inner mafia (according to part of my theory), and I'm almost 85% sure that Rem DOES NOT HAVE the ability to pass her death note to someone else, even if Misa can.

[zwetschenwasser]

Vote: Llamafluff

and I'm almost 85% sure that Rem DOES NOT HAVE the ability to pass her death note to someone else

I'm exactly 100% sure that Rem can pass the death note along to someone else. It says so in Llama's role.

Sigh. Then I'm 70% sure Llama hasn't passed her death note. I do believe you are L, though.

[zwetschenwasser]

Xyl is the one lying in this discussion.

[zwetschenwasser]

END THIS OFFTOPIC DISCUSSION

[zwetschenwasser]

PEOPLE! It's almost 100% sure Xyl is LYING about his "millerdom", because Lind L. Taylor doesn't show up as guilty at first. When he shows up on TV people assume he is L, THE GOOD GUY, and if anyone were to investigate the criminal Taylor actually is, it's much more likely that they would get a result of not having a nighttalk, aka the good guy. So not only is Xyl lying about alignment, by his logic then he can't even be Lind L. Taylor.

[zwetschenwasser]

Sigh.

[zwetschenwasser]

Vote: Llamafluff

It's the thing to do!

[zwetschenwasser]

I like KMD now. He's town to me atm.

[zwetschenwasser]

AAH! You $%$#$&$&$*^Y$$%^$!

[zwetschenwasser]

Llamafluff -5 (zwetchenwasser, DeathNote, Starbuck, Kairyuu, Lamont_Cranston)
DeathNote -3 (Gorrad, Knight of Cydonia)
Xylthixlm -1 (Stephoscope)
Kairyuu -1 (Kmd4390)

Not voting: mykonian, LlamaFluff, xylthixlm

Come on, show some energy.

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

[zwetschenwasser]

It's true. Why do you think I'm voting llama?

[zwetschenwasser]

have fun!

[zwetschenwasser]

VOTECOUNT KTHXBAI

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm 90% sure KoC is misa.

Vote: KoC

. Xyl, you're calling me scum based on outguessing the mod? Please.

[zwetschenwasser]

And that makes your case SO much better. :-/

[zwetschenwasser]

Actually,

Unvote; Vote: mykonian

[zwetschenwasser]

You're right.

Unvote; Vote: Xylthylm

[zwetschenwasser]

Actually,

Unvote; Vote: Knight of Cydonia

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote; Vote: Gorrad

[zwetschenwasser]

HOLD ON A MINUTE! You're still alive! This is absurd. My first serious vote for today:

Unvote; Vote: Kairyuu

. Everybody please remember Kairyuu's early attempts at coordinating multiple mislynches through his attempt at lynching mykonian three times.

[zwetschenwasser]

You're wording it more mildly than it actually is.

[zwetschenwasser]

Truthfully

[zwetschenwasser]

Ohh... well Zwet did.. then they were talking about how we have been pushing Myko lynch for the past few days. I am just saying that would be a bad idea today. :/

Interesting misrep.

FoS

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm strongly inclined towards revoting Kairyuu right now. For the fourth time he's trying to coordinate a mykonian lynch, this time for a case I find a bad case of reaching.

[zwetschenwasser]

I got no result back last night.

[zwetschenwasser]

Already have, Kairyuu. Sorry to burst your overly suspicious bubble.

[zwetschenwasser]

It doesn't even matter. I've already been confirmed as a tracker.

[zwetschenwasser]

I was able to communicate with Vi. It was never told to me that he was Light. I assume it is done this way due to the fact that Light's Mother never knew Light was Kira.

This is false. There's no way this could be true.

[zwetschenwasser]

DeathNote, please real claim.

[zwetschenwasser]

And chances are insanely high that Sidoh does not have a death note.

[zwetschenwasser]

GAH! This is so confusing!

[zwetschenwasser]

DeathNote, it's physically impossible assuming that we have a competent mod who is sticking somewhat to flavor in his roles that you didn't know that your QT partner was Light Yagami. If you were town you would have told us earlier who you were and confirmed us a scum right away.

[zwetschenwasser]

AHAHAHA! That's the last straw with you, scum.

Unvote; Vote: Kairyuu

[zwetschenwasser]

It's impossible. You're claiming an impossible role. I'm also sure you're Sidoh, and pretty sure you don't have a deathnote.

[zwetschenwasser]

We are not cooperating well as a town right now. Too much suspicions on everyone.

grasping for straws, are we Sidoh?

[zwetschenwasser]

It pains me to say that Kairyuu and Deathnote are working together to screw us over, while Llamafluff is just trying to confuse us.

[zwetschenwasser]

That and zwet's a dick.

This is SO useful and intelligent. It boggles my mind!

[zwetschenwasser]

NO! NONONONONO! NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NONONONO! NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO! NONONO! NO!

[zwetschenwasser]

Xyl is town, Starbuck is misa, Kairyuu is Sidoh, and Deathnote is Mikami. And Starbuck's double bluff suggests that she's the one with mikami's deathnote right now.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm positive Deathnote is telling the truth about his role, but not about the deathnote possession. He's distracting us away from Starbuck by real claiming scum. So do we want to destroy the death note Starbuck must have or not?

[zwetschenwasser]

Unvote

I will hammer.

[zwetschenwasser]

Uh... I think we just made a critical error of underestimating DeathNote's intelligence. I think he made a triple bluff. :-/

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm town, btw. If town really is screwed I'm going to be hitting myself.

[zwetschenwasser]

I don't understand why Xyl didn't win, but whatever. I totally called the double scum faction!

[zwetschenwasser]

inner circle vs. outer circle concept. So called it.

[zwetschenwasser]

GG all