Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Mastin]

Hey, people! I'm Mastin. Most of you have seen me before, some have not. I'm eternally scummy, and this time, you're right to vote me! Because I'm a ticked off scum guy who might as well be a serial killer because I know the role name of my partners, and not who they are, and while we have a quick topic, none of them confirmed! Yay! <_<
Let's scum hunt:

Mastin Votes: Mastin

.

[Mastin]

Vote: ortolan

For taking way too long to confirm.
You wanted more time to pre-game chat with your buddies, huh?

I wish, Zee. I *think* that Ort's a member of my group, but because I was the ONLY one using the QT and wasn't informed of my partner's name, there's no way to be certain. <_<

[Mastin]

Oh, and I suspect Zwet is another strong possibility. He's the kind to forget he has a partner and a quick topic. <_<

[Mastin]

I'm Lazy. Using quote instead of the QT. Rather bothersome.

Fact: Kairyuu is in a game with magnus_orion.

Fact: Kairyuu is town.

Fact: Kairyuu has yet to be the same alignment as magnus_orion.

Conclusion: magnus_orion is scum.

vote: magnus_orion

Why are you obsessed with your alignment?

magnus and I have noticed a trend. Whenever we try to play a game together, we are always opposite alignments. Therefore, working on that premis, me being town would automatically make magnus scum. His counterargument is, of course, the exact same thing in reverse, which is to be expected of him, since he's scum and all.

Or you could both be scum, bussing each other.

[Mastin]

Eh, screw it.

Also, obligatory

Meh, used to it.

"Mastin that is so anti-town.

Not from my perspective.

What are you doing self-voting and claiming scum?

If I answered this, there'd be no point in doing it in the first place.

Now we hafta lynch you cuz of WIFOM"

Nah. Just expose the rest of the scum team. I was lying; I'm a Shinigami. I'm a NK-immune serial killer whatnot with the ability to track one person per night. I'm a mason with another player, and together, we're both roleblockers.

I was considering voting Gelus, a shinigami, but Gelus isn't worth the effort. I'm far more important.

spiel that won't actually go anywhere.

It gets the job done well. What more do I need?

If you can't tell

I'd be surprised if I honestly couldn't. I'm so used to it, it's second-nature.

I strongly disapprove of that move

So vote me.

but you've ignored everyone else who tried to get you to stop

Not ignored--just changed the technique.

so I'm not even gonna bother trying.

Well, you never know.

If you are claiming scum, I want your role name please.

Not scum. A shinigami; I'm not saying which.

Why are you choosing to reveal this to us?

I'm the kind of guy who'd want the town to win as an anti-town role.

On a side note, why haven't you accepted my EM friend request?

I haven't had a chance to get onto EM recently, Zee. Real life and all.

[Mastin]

!

Zee, you just changed your avatar. :/

Oops. Put my comment in the wrong spot.

Eh, it happens.

I would totally do that if we were both scum.

Yes, you would.

It would be awesome.

It is awesome.

Somehow my comment got shoved inside the quoteblock.

Meh.

...........

I laughed. I love it when people make comments of this nature. It's hilarious.

you are either lying

Mafia's a game of deception. Why tell the truth?

or not playing toward your win condition.

Eh, it happens. Ask...
zwetschenwasser
cateraction ,
Jebus,
and
Kise,
For they'll all support how I never play to my anti-town win conditions.

Unless this is normal for you

What is "normal" for me? I dunno.

which I sincerely hope its not

Perhaps have you considered that it is a strategic move meant for a very specific purpose?

unvote
vote mastin

Heh.

Mastin Unvotes: Mastin,
Mastin Votes: Magnus Orion

.

This is blatant OMGUS.

[Mastin]

MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.

Eh, nothing rule-violating in it. Sad, but true, sometimes, the mods forbid me to claim mafia, even without partners.

Mastin DIE!

I get THAT a lot as well.

Unvote, Vote Mastin

Eh, I'll vote for Lamount tomorrow.

Note my comment on the matter.

Nothing wrong with liking the spotlight, right?
I hate the spotlight as scum, but I aint scum. I'm a mason with some guy who never talked. (ZOMG! That's the third time he's changed his claim, inconsistency is a scum tell! DIE SCUM DIE!)

He does it all the time

It's fun. I have a big, huge grin on my face in real life. I love it.

and I am expecting that he will claim you to be scum and vote you now.

Kai knows me well.

That seems to be the general progression from what I've seen.

This is why I like Kai. Always a good player.

@Mastin: Anti-town=/=scummy.

My style, anti-town.

My style to others, anti-town to scummy. It catches scum, though, so I don't really care.

I will not vote you for something I know you do on purpose.

Aww, way to ruin the fun with the response a pro-town player is

supposed

to give.

I do not think that it works

Eh, we're talking. We're discussing already. That seems like it works.

and this sort of thing is essentially what got people to not like playing with Natirasha

Heh.

since he always claimed SK in his first post.

That's far less fun, though!

I strongly dislike anti-town plays like that

Players, not plays, I believe is the word you're looking for.

but I'm not naive enough to actually vote you over an annoying null tell.

[Mastin]

Ah, I see why you did that now.

...Or...

DID YOU?!?

Not sure if it will achieve anything

Get us out of the RVS.

but i'll trust your judgement.

Good. I have a great record.

So much winking in this post.

Best thing next to ":P" to ever touch MS.net.

I change my avatar every new game I join

Reflects your roles, I'd imagine.

Weird, huh?

Not nearly as weird as the things I do in my spare time, Zee.

I'm so sad that I can't use my normally coloured font this game.

Yea, it sucks, doesn't it.

Mastin should be vig-killed if possible due to wifom.

1: Why isn't this reasoning more common?!?

2: Seriously, though. If I'm anti-town, I encourage vigs to shoot me. Not saying if I am anti-town yet, though, so whether I endorse or reject it, that'll be up to time.

3: Directing vigs-->Scumtell.

Since that is my position, voting him is pointless.

"OH, S*Censored*, HE'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS?!? I CAN'T PUSH THE LYNCH OF A SCUMMY PLAYER DUE TO HIS F*censored* META! I HATE BEING SCUM!"

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What I see.

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami

Doesn't mean I am one, though.

They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

But, uh, they kinda lose if lynched. Lose their death notes, lose the game.

I don't care

Lack of caring-->Scumtell.

this sucks so bad

"It sucks that he's always like this. It'll make it harder to mislynch him..."

I don't care he's dying.

Dead-set on lynching me, eh? Tunneling-->Anti-town to scummy. Wanting to set up a quicklynch early-on-->Scummy. You've done both.

But he claims to have a death note.

Did I say that? Nah, not to my knowledge.

As per the rules, we must gain and destroy all death notes

Aye. This is the case.

and vigging him forces shinigami to drop death note as per the rules.

And kills humans, mind you.

Yes but we can get his moronic playstyle do drop his dam note.

Bad grammar overload...

LOL where's a good day vig when you need one right?

Eh, it's the RVS. Not having fun is a scum tell.

Mod Votecount please.

Two on me, one or two on Magnus.

If I were a day vig

Well, you're not. Thanks for rolefishing, by the way, looking for a vig.

I'd have already shot him.

...In the RVS?!?

(*has always wanted to be a day vig in a game*)

Who hasn't?

I've always wanted to be a day vig too!

Yea. As have I.

Where'd Lamount Say that, Zee?

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That's got to be a record. I think I got us out of the RVS within two pages, with only three other players to mess around with.

[Mastin]

EVERYBODY STOP!

That significant enough for you?

Seems we have a genuine scummyperson.

Dislike my style, now? It's got us out of the RVS in less than three pages, and given us a suspect. It works.

Note the attempt to get Mastin modkilled on page 1.

I read the rules very carefully to make sure I won't get modkilled to avoid my normal joking RVS style from accidentally getting myself modkilled.

Which is why I found this suspicious, Kai, and am agreeing with you.

If had actually done something against the rules then yes, I would somewhat agree with you.

But I didn't, which means you disagree.

However, I think you're just being spiteful and trying to end the Day before the RVS has even fully ended.

Which is scummy. And I agree.

unvote
vote: Lamont_Cranston

Very just. I like my Magnus vote, though.

In other news

I'd say semi-related news.

Mastin is pretty obv-town.

Anti-town by nature, pro-town in role. Yup, pretty much.

Let's get to lynching Lamont-scum.

Or Magnus. Either works.

@all: Screw it. Lamont is so obv-scum he get's to die right here, right now.

Yea...

i feel lost with this mastin thing.

Eh, it happens.

Vote Kairyuu for not paying child support

I detest the RVS...

[Mastin]

I would of thought you would of learned how to play Mafia by now.

This is a personal attack...

apparently you have alot of learning to do.

"You're wrong."

I don't remember this being mentioned anywhere, mr. mastin.

This game contains Shinigami. Shinigami are powerful, invincible neutral roles

with unique win conditions

. Shinigami cannot be lynched or killed. If they would be lynched, instead their rolename is revealed,

they lose their Death Note

if they possess one as per the rules above, and the game continues as normal (the day still ends). If they would be killed, the same is true except that their rolename is not revealed.

I imagine the connection is rather obvious. Shinigami have to have a deathnote. Anyone watching the anime would know this. Losing it via lynching/night-kills would devastate them, making me think they'd instantly lose.
Simple logic, really.

Lynch all Liars.

Its sounds like you may have inside knowledge.

Eh, not a VT, 'kay. That's all you get.
(Note how, while I am declaring it the end of the RVS, I'll still be doing this kind of thing [being elusive, lying about my role, etc.] for two or three pages, in order to attempt my unique form of scum hunting.)

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Kai's town. Let's move on, shall we?

[Mastin]

@Mastin: I don't actually dislike your playstyle, just the initial self-vote. I despise extended RVSs, but I don't really have a problem with the concept if used in moderation (aka. 1 page or less). Usually by then I can find something that I can poke at until it turns into real discussion. I must admit though, your method is quite effective as well.

I agree with all but the first.

Votecount
Kairyuu - 2 (magnus_orion, benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

Mastin

)

Mastin

- 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
ortolan - 1 (ZEEnon)
Lamont_Cranston - 1 (Kairyuu)
Not voting: ortolan, zwetschenwasser,

cateraction

, mykonian, Kmd4390,

ZazieR

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Starbuck,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, PhilyEc, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

Why do you keep looking at your watch?

My watch? Well... because I'm Kira.

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[Mastin]

That's terrible logic.

Not really. Simple deductive skills; get used to it, as I do it as town a lot.

It says they have unique win conditions

What better win condition for a Shinigami other than they lose if they don't have a death note? They don't care about humans; they care about death notes. Their win condition, I imagine, is tied in with that.

which could or could not be independant of whether or not they had a death note.

If not having a death note, what do you think their win condition is?

Unless you have inside knowledge

Did I mention rolefishing?

it would be impossible for you to even tell their death note had any major effect at all toward completing their win condition.

Then what would?

This was hilarious.

Adhom no. Criticizing bad play, yes.

The purpose of my wiki is not to display scum tells, it is to display my unwavering policies regarding certain forms of bad play.

I don't publicize my scum tells.

Hmm...

This seems a bit scummy to me.

As does this flip.

Who goes first? The busser or the bussed?

[Mastin]

This, I can quote for truth.

[Mastin]

Afterall, you appear to know.

As we don't know what roles are in the game, any role might know anything. This is rolefishing.

All I know is that you've not only claimed shinigami

Nothing special.

you've also indicated that you have information that, if true, only shinigami should have.

Perhaps...

Your explanation doesn't make sense

Move aside, Albert. There's a new illogical guy on the rampage.
Seriously, though. This is my logic. It's how I play. I speculate.

so I suspect you.

Yet vote for Lamount instead...

[Mastin]

Granted, much of this appears to be a joke post and so with that understanding I will grant you a genuine "LOL" but generally I have a very narrow sense of humour and so it is harder for me to appreciate such things.

Writing something off as a joke-->Scummy.

Yes, I have my reasons. I want to hear what lamont thinks they are, actually...

"I want to see what my scumbuddy thinks."

If this is the case, then, for my brain's sake, call it speculation. Not logic.
Logic is something else.

It's both.

I believe you are scumhunting in the RVS as am I.

Thing is, we're not in the RVS.

Zee and I have a mind meld going on or something.

Yea, not buying it. Sounds like caught scum.

[Mastin]

What made me vote YOU though?

Ooh, ooh, let me!

"I'm bussing my partner to look good!"

[Mastin]

Wait, so, you're saying Magnus is scum hunting by voting you? Doesn't seem like a pro-town player's line of thought...

[Mastin]

Kai's correct, as I laughed as well.

Then explain how its logic.

It's logic because I'm using what the mod gave to me, and speculating from it.

[Mastin]

Mastin, could you stop linking to posts... please?

I get called out for quoting line by line in posts, where they recommend hyperlinking, I get called out for linking posts. I can't win. :/

The quote button

I don't use the quote button often. I much prefer the Quick Reply box.

is a beutiful alternative (that doesn't force me to open a new window to read your posts).

Clicking links automatically opens it in a new window/tab, depending on your settings.

[Mastin]

Read pm but forgot to confirm, sorry for holding up tha game!!!

Not fully buying it...

Surely you jest, good sire.

What do you think?

So can we get a modkill on this guy for claiming scum with someone so we don't have to waste a lynch on a jester?

Pushing modkills-->Scummy.

(also you are wrong)

There goes a theory of mine.

Does he play anti-town often?

As often as others do.

or he gets killed by the mafier and we end up in quite a pickle don't we.

I'm a popular night-kill. If I updated my record, you'd see how terrible it is.

Doubtful

My record, again, speaks for itself.

Modkills only end the day if the modkilled player is town.

Except in newbie games.

If we lynch him and he's town this has the same result.

Well, assume I'm always town and you'll be right.

In spite of myself, I feel the compulsion for a

Vote: Lamont_Cranston

Instead of voting someone you think is scummy, apparently, you bandwagon. Scum tell 142.

[Mastin]

Oh yes, stop quoting line by line as well.

It's one or the other. Becuase

*I*

hate posts WITHOUT quotes with a passion, and have a STRONG dislike for quote pyramids. I did so earlier only due to it being convenient.

I really hate that.

So vote me. Vote a player for a reason other than scum hunting to attract attention to yourself.

You could quote posts normally

Leads to quote pyramids,

or quote larger sections of posts.

Leads to confusion.

[Mastin]

Quoted For Truth. Understandable, considering how Zee was quoting me.

So I hear you don't leik quote pyramids.

They're illegal on the Battleon Forums. The BoF (Or AEF as most seem to call it these days) is my internet home. I gained almost all my habits from there.

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Comments:

-Zee and I have a mind meld of some sort. Kai's logic makes it obvious that Kai is pro-town. A threesome of pro-town players already, I am thinking.

-Lamount and Magnus are scum.

[Mastin]

Yes. You caught me. Not confirming was a deliberate scum gambit because not confirming as scum enables me to.........um wait I'll think of something later.

It allows for further scum chat. In fact, your explanation fits my first scum tell PERFECTLY:

The last to confirm is more likely to be scum. Gives the scum their full time to chat. It's either a scum tell, or a mason tell. (I've been asked to drop it before, but I never will)

You seem to be craving the noose more than David Carradine.

I crave to be voted by the scum, so that they're outed and that I can lynch them.

So you said before, and as I said before; no.

Alright, let's take a vote:

Who here thinks that pushing mod kills is a scum tell?

*raises hand*

You mean you get night-killed a lot or very little?

A *LOT*.

Funnily enough, I don't see the relevance of this comment.

You talked about modkills keeping the day going. I gave an example to disprove it.

Yes, I really am that bad as scum that I deliberately contradict what I just spent my whole post arguing for. You caught me. You were much better at scum-hunting than I thought.

Your post seemed to strongly be against me...then you vote for Lamount.

and you've failed to answer my points for the desire to mod-kill you not actually being scummy.

Scum push the modkill of town in order to end the day and get in a night-kill.

[Mastin]

Mastin, remind me why you think I'm scum.

A PBPA from day one, eh? Do you really want it? That's what it'd be.

I'm a tad confused on that bit.

As Xyl might say,

Expressing confusion-->Scummy.

Is it just 'cause I voted you?

At the time, yes, it was OMGUS for the purpose of starting discussion. Later, it became a serious vote due to your scummy reactions.

[Mastin]

I swear, this is truly an interesting day for me. I never knew such mind melds were possible.

Zee says what would take me paragraphs and minutes to.

[Mastin]

Expect more of this.

Yea, and that's sooooo pro-town...[/sarcasm]

I do it as town.

Links, please.

No, though it is a side benefit of my tenedency to change my mind.

Right. Not fully buying it. I would've accepted a simple, "Yes" as a good response.

ACK! He's got me doing it!

It happens.

[Mastin]

It is, actually.

Changing opinions-->Pro-town.

Changing opinions OFTEN in THREE PAGES-->Scummy.

By freeing yourself from fear of being accused of backpedaling

I do agree, that said fear is a scum tell.

you can give towntells more weight and find scum by process of elimination if necessary.

Nothing wrong by itself, and I actually approve of this.

But changing opinions so often, so quickly?

I've found lots and lots of scum day 1.

As have I, but just for proof, links?

And have been a consistant night 1 kill.

I feel your pain.

okay.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10115
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 56#1351056

That all?

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 3 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan)
Kairyuu - 1 (benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

Mastin

)

Mastin

- 1 (Lamont_Cranston)
ortolan - 1 (ZEEnon)
Not voting: zwetschenwasser,

cateraction

, mykonian, Kmd4390,

ZazieR

, Jebus, populartajo, Budja, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Starbuck,

semioldguy

, Kise, Seraphim, Stephoscope, PhilyEc, Spolium, LlamaFluff, WeyounsLastClone

I'm L.

With 26 alive, it's 14 to lynch.

[Mastin]

Also,

I've found lots and lots of scum day 1.

If this is true, who are the scum? Surely, even with only five people truly weighing in, there's something...

[Mastin]

I don't know who the scum are at this point and time.

And I find that suspicious. People should have an idea, from what we've gathered. Your votes appear to be scum hunting, so if they're scum hunting, surely you're thinking they're scum, right?

Not buying it.

I suspect you have a death note

1: Death Note-->Scum.

So why are you not voting me?

2: Suspicions-->Accusations of a person being scum. This seems hypocritical with your earlier line of not knowing who the scum are at this point in time.

and I suspect lamont.

What makes you suspect lamount?

What makes you suspect Lamount more than me?

We are five pages in

Meaning you should have something.

and you've thrown off my normal gambits with your own.

I'll look at it.

why's that?

Because it shows a willingness to lynch several people all at once, which is rather scummy.

Our playstyles are similar.

Yea...
[/end "We're not So Different" moment which is so cliche'd]

Unfortunately, by using yours, you have interfered with mine.

This, if true, is truly unfortunate.

Which is part of the reason I dislike your play so much.

Odd, even if a player dislikes my playstyle due to their own, I'd think that if it's similar, they'd only begin to like it. (Unless they're of an opposite alignment)

Doesn't change the fact I think you're a neutral with a death not, still.

Wait, didn't you just talk about inside knowledge? This seems to apply.

[Mastin]

I do happen to have an idea.

And holding back I'd think to be a bit scummy.

I just don't have my normal level of conviction yet.

Not convinced, lack of devotion, possible caution in choices of scum-->Scumtell. (My opinion is Caution-->Scumtell. I've been meaning to write a wiki article for the tells that I often use one of these days. Perhaps once I've dealt with all of my games, I can get to it.)

If you didn't respond to the bits of my post rather than the post as a whole

If you didn't quote three sections of a post separately and then post your responses to it in the second half of the post, you wouldn't be misunderstood.

you'd understand that.

No, not seeing it.

I suspect you are a shinigami who has a death note.

And I somehow doubt this is the case.

This is because you talked about losing death notes being detrimental to the shinigami win condition

It's simple logic, deductive reasoning, and speculation. Do I need anything else?

which I don't think you'd have thought that upon reading those rules.

Oh, trust me, I don't have the usual human thought pattern. I see what no other person sees. Amongst them, my speculation on Shinigami win conditions.

I suspect lamont of being scum.

And your reasoning for this is...?

I'm refusing to give my reasons

Holding back reasons for a vote-->scummy. A player can't defend against attacks that don't exist.

until I hear what lamont has to say about why he thinks I'm voting him.

Hasn't he already done this? I thought it was a post which I interpreted along the reasoning of "I don't like you bussing me so early on".

I theorize the reason he was extremely vague was because he didn't want to point out something different to give me additional evidence.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree with your assessment that he's scum. And a good portion of the reasoning (such as the above) to be evidence to support this.

I just think you're scum with him.

[Mastin]

Its 'cause I don't like your intial gambit of making yourself look scummy

Well, it worked, didn't it? With only four other players other than myself, I managed to snap us out of the RVS in less than a few hours. In less than three pages, we were already seriously discussing things. It's also useful in catching scum, and my scum trap seems to have ensnared you and Lamount.

Since our play is similar, the differences are enunciated and highlights everything I think you are doing "wrong"

This makes sense. I suppose I'm doing the same when pointing out what I think doesn't make sense from town-mag's perspective.

[Mastin]

Yes, but my scum traps required me to "fall" for your scum traps.

What information can be gained from you, essentially, bandwagonning?

Rather than be the fall-guy, I make somebody else the fall-guy.

So, basically, you're afraid of being bandwagonned? Why?

Its safer.

Why are you so concerned about your safety?

Caution-->Scumtell. (If you don't mind, I'll be gone a few hours while I go on and write that article before someone tries to steal it--I've pushed for this idea in several games, after all)

[Mastin]

Hmm, it needs work.

I could use suggestions to the quality of the article. Not the actual tells themselves, as I chose the name of the article to match most people's view of them (as being insane/stupid/invalid/etc.), and don't need you to blow it full of holes.

Anyway...

I'm not concerned about my safety.

Forgive me, but I seem to have seen differently from your posts.

You misunderstand, this is my general playstyle.

And from what I've seen, it looks like you seem to fear for your safety in your playstyle, which I find a bit scummy. It sucks being lynched as town, or night-killed, sure, but worried about it?

I find its safer because people are more willing to listen to you and not think you scummy if you don't do something scummy outright.

By showing caution, you hope to look more pro-town. Right. Got it.

(If you couldn't tell, I obviously don't agree. See Caution-->Scumtell.)

Plus, scum are less likely to think that there is a trap waiting for them.

Oh, really? I tend to think they're going to feel much more comfortable bandwagoning an admittedly anti-town styled poster.

I agree that being concerned with one's own safety is a scumtell.

Which, essentially, means you are admitting to seeing your actions as a scum tell.

I set someone up as a mislynch and see who agrees with me.

Setting up mislynches, EVEN IN THE RVS-->Incredibly scummy.

You set yourself up as a mislynch and see who suspects you.

Which is fine, as I can defend my actions well, and isn't truly scummy--it only looks that way due to me intentionally acting that way.

[Mastin]

I love it when I leave for work and a game hasn't started yet and then I come back to 5 pages.

Yea, I like to talk a lot, okay? :/

Choosing RVS over the elephant in the room in scummy.

I'm ignoring him because I think we'll find the scum in Lamount and Magnus.

Mastin should be killed by either a vig or scum or something.

Yea...I'll be shot by the scum when I nail one of their own, alright. Let's hope there's a doctor of some sort in this game.

Anyone think asking for a Mod-review of JACKASSERY from a player like Mastin is null tell?

1: Explain to me how claiming scum in page one, a null tell from me, is "jacka'dsery".

2: You weren't pushing for mod review. You were pushing for a mod kill, which IS scummy.

"Oh god of day-vigs please kill Mastin. Thanks."

Vig Directing-->Scummy.

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Lamount has ignored almost every point against him, and utterly ignored Magnus all together.

I fail to see how that is NOT scummy.

[Mastin]

What part of:

MOD: Please take note of the quoted post.

don't you understand??

Why ask for it if you're not trying to get a modkill?

You don't get it do you?

For someone who claims that I'm a Jack-a, this seemed like a fairly Jack-a'd comment.

I ignore YOU.

THIS is INCREDIBLY scummy.

Ignoring a player-->HUGE scum tell.

Magnus I have responded to.

You have not responded to all of his points/questions.

I think he's a good scum hunter unlike you.

Explain to me how this is not a personal attack.

You need to die. NAO!

OMGUS, anyone?

That's the perfect example of it.

Oh, and

Mastin Unvotes: Magnus,
Mastin Votes: Lamount

.

I still think Magnus is scum, but my suspicions of Magnus have been lessened somewhat. My suspicions of Lamount, on, the other hand, have only grown.

[Mastin]

Sorry, Myk. Serious scum hunting happens quickly in any game where I play in.

Lamont and Magnus both seem very shady to me. As Kairyuu stated in 35, Lamont attempted to get Mastin mod-killed as well as Magnus tried to direct a vig kill toward him.

Quoted For Truth.

I do think that pushing for a mod kill is scummy. I have a couple people on my scumdar, but Lamont is currently the most suspicious to me, especially because he is ignoring posts and not answering questions asked of him.

Vote: Lamont

Ah, I love it when people agree with me...

Ok folks now that the furious action has lulled, its time for a brief LC overview:

Note how he only does this AFTER he's gained rather the number of votes.

Prob-town

Ortolan

KMD

Magnus

Zee

This list has so many problems in it. The only one which, in your eyes, I can logically see as being true is the bolded one. The italicized ones, in the former's case, has posted almost nothing game-content-wise, and the latter has been scummy (not as much as you, though). The underlined is truly a surprise, considering how Zee and I have agreed on a great number of things, more so than Kai and I.

Scum-like
Kairu
Mastin

Again, how does Kai get onto the list as well, when Zee has been agreeing with me more often than Kai?

I take a dim view of posts like these; alignment obsession.

Odd, I actually see it as a town tell. Others might argue that stating your alignment doesn't make you any more likely to be town, but if that's their argument, it should be considered a null tell.

There's no way to turn it into a scum tell which can't be countered and turned into a null/town tell.

An obviously valid case which I fear

I fixed it for you.

(the bold green section is obviously calling for Mod review)

Again, why call for Mod review if you're not pushing for a modkill?

You never answered.

and severe buddying with Mastin??

I've agreed with Zee. Zee's agreed with me. So, explain to me how Kai's supposed buddying is scummy, while Zee's buddying makes him pro-town in your eyes.

You can't, can you?

I'm calling hypocrisy on this.

Once again there is just something wrong here.

The only thing I see wrong is that you're caught scum and aren't dead yet.

Who believes Mastin is in any way effective??

Hmm, let's see. What did my technique do?

1: It got us out of the RVS in less than a couple of hours, less than three pages, and with only five total players to interact with.

2: It got us scum hunting from very early on,

3: We started debating,

4: It exposed you as scum.

Isn't that the point of the RVS? To get out of it as quickly as possible and begin debating and scum hunting?

So, yes. It was very effective.

More disgusting buddying with someone who should be default-corpse.

1: Again, the hypocrisy, as Zee and I have done nothing different than Kai and I.

2: You're pushing for an instant-death of a player whose actions are clearly a null tell.

OBVTOWN MASTIN?!

I am town. This is how I play. So, yes. Obvtown Mastin. I can see Kai's viewpoint as being legit.

My goodness, this is beyond the pale!

Overreact much, Lamount? Perhaps this is due to the votes on you?

There is something very wrong here.

Yes--that you're not dead yet. You're acting like you're panicked at this stage in the game. No pro-town player should be worried this much, should be this desperate so early on.

You are.

You're not a pro-town player, Lamount.
We caught you, and now you're desperately trying anything to get one of us lynched instead of you.

I called for a Mod review of his jackassery because it hurts the game that the Mod worked hard on.

1: Your quoted post was me self-voting and claiming scum. You've yet to explain how that's Jack-a'dery.

2: You've resulted to personal attacks against other players. Explain to me how that is NOT being a jack-a.

This should make perfect sense to you.

Oh, look! Another personal attack!

Instead you have chosen to drink the kool-aid on that issue.

This also seems like a personal attack against Star for presenting a valid case.

And you're wrong.

Right. "You're wrong." That so totally makes it so that we're wrong and that you're right. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, is that all you can dish out? Insults?

It is a criticism of a playstyle

Which was done in an EXTREMELY negative tone.

that appeared to result in my death.

Again, with the overreacting. You have only a few votes on you. Why so worried?

No pro-town player should be this panicked.

Normally of course this is true

"You're right, but..."

Yea, not buying it.

but Mastin with his Jackassery

1: Again, explain to me how what I did was "jack-a'dery".

2: And can you explain how your personal attacks aren't being a jack-a?

is not normal and he needs to DIE, NAO!.

1: Again with the overreaction...

2: You're saying that this is not a normal case--how?

Less Koolaid, more common sense please.

I agree with this point, Lamount. Your points are blatantly hypocritical and make very little sense. This is not pro-town play. It's pro-scum play, however, and I expect others to see that.

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Hmm...there would appear to be many more pages than when I left...

Yay for scum hunting!

This post would be too long to answer pages 6, 7, 8, and 9 as well as the above, so posting it now. 6 is next.

[Mastin]

Btw I see both cases from Starbuck against me & Magnus as crap.

More personal attacks, as well as the "you're wrong!" defense...

My case I have addressed.

Rather poorly, I might add.

Magnus' case he will have to address

"Hey! Scumbuddy! Log on and defend yourself so it won't look like I'm buddying!"

but I will say I like his point where he suspects Mastin.

"Oh, hey, scumbuddy! Mind if I use your logic? My own seems to be failing miserably; I need to borrow a little extra."

Those players that are actually believing Lamount

I modified the above quote to reflect my views.

are doing the village harm.

Or, they recognize that this is how I play, and how my scum hunting works wonders. I have a good record. I have an aggressive playstyle which catches scum. Others can easily see this to be true.

Somebody please QFT the above.

Thing is, nobody will--they realize that your case is desperate, in an attempt to defend your earlier mistakes.

Thank you.

Right, so you're rude to any who disagree with you, yet are kind to any who agree with you. That's so totally the best playstyle in the world and will so totally reverse the wagon on you. [/sarcasm]

I signed in to see the rvs 'over'

The key to catching the RVS in any given game:

Log in before Mastin does.

plus i only had time than to skim

I can understand this feeling well.

Trying to wagon already

This has been happening since early on. We've found scum, we wagon scum. It's simple logic, really.

Unvote vote Mastin

Odd, how he talks about wagonning being scummy...and then goes off to do it himself.
Hypocritical, much?

i didn't like his odd claiming in rvs

It's called the

Random

Voting Stage for a reason, you know.

and his short quoting

...Is...that...seriously...a...reason...for...voting...me?

It's part of my playstyle, always has been. It makes posts longer, sure, but it gets the job done. And I've done it before in games you've been in; why are you only now annoyed by it?

mass one-liners is both annoying

Voting for someone because they're annoying-->NOT scum hunting-->Slightly Scummy.

and imo a distraction.

Right, so you're essentially calling my scum hunting to be a distraction, for that's what I'm doing.
It's not a very pro-town reaction, Ben.

(Then again, I've seen Ben play before. He's someone who's easy to lynch, aka, a village idiot from what I have seen of him. This attitude reminds me of his play then.)

OK, kai and Mastin (stop with posting that way, I stopped reading them, so you won't get me convinced or something) seem town on page 4.

1: Sorry. It gets scum hunting done, but I can understand how it's annoying.
2: And I agree with your assessment. Kai does seem like town, even before page four.

Magnus is looking like active, but antitown scum

I agree. I just find it more likely that Lamount's panicked attitude is that of caught scum.

looking for a good place for his vote.

Well, at least for the moment, he chose a nice spot for it.

I can also see the case against Lamont

With what I just pointed out a while ago, do you still think Magnus is more likely to be scum than Lamount?

but I don't know how he plays

And you know how Magnus plays?

so could he be town that messes up?

Or scum, worried about being lynched.

Before I'll read what I have missed, I'd like to point out the above wanted poster.

It is true, that if Misa is in this game, she is most likely going to be a member of the mafia.

I'm looking for Misa Amane, also known as Misa Misa *shrug*

...Was that...what I thought it was? (Forgive what the following could be interpreted as rolefishing, but I just don't understand why Zaz would do this) Was that a soft claim?

Soft claiming-->Extremely anti-town.

I've got reasons to believe that she uses it to gather her fanboys

Sounds like you're describing a cult.

because obv I'm much prettier, yet I'm not famous >.<

Please stop doing that. <_< (Possibly Soft Claiming. It rubs people the wrong way.)

Ah, much better.

I wouldn't be so certain, Zaz. Metagaming is truly a powerful tool, but it isn't foolproof.

Like I can point out how I've yet to see you do this posting style as town, and call you scum for it. Doesn't change how you might be town, and doing the many posts/day to catch up is a null tell.

No one is obvtown on page 2.

I disagree. Some people can be pro-town from their first posts onwards.

Mastin, stfu

Asking a player who is scumhunting to shut up-->Scummy.

you're spamming way too much content

Right, so, your logic says that too much content is harmful.

Content-->Material to work with in scum hunting.

So, basically, you think I'm providing too much information in my scum hunting.

That works...HOW?!?

and thats not a good idea for a 26 player game.

Right, so you just want me to stop scum hunting and wait for other players' insight before I go attack the scum. [sarcasm]That's sooooo pro-town...[/sarcasm]

Mastin could easily be lying

Mafia's a game of deception. Who tells the truth? (Well, I do when I'm outed already for my real role and there's no point in fighting back, but that's just me.)

since thats basically the safest claim one can make.

Shinigami-->Not town-->Anti-town-->Would be lynched.

Explain to me how that's a "safe" claim, Phil.

Not only that, a true shinigami wouldn't claim so quickly.

So, obviously, I'm not a shinigami.

He claims he did it to lure out scum

It worked. Lamount has been exposed, possibly Magnus as well.

I'd call that lure a success.

but the game hadn't even gotten active yet.

So?

Why wait to scum hunt?

One should scum hunt from page negative one.

The best way to do that is to get out of the RVS as quickly as possible (which I did).

What's the problem with scum hunting? Especially when it works?

Mastin = Bullshiter/Stupid Gambiter.

Phil's trying to discredit my attempts at scum hunting. (If this is not the case, then how do you explain the "bs'er" part?)

Any vigs out there, do murder him

Vig directing-->Scummy.

Also, I forgot to mention this before...

Those mentioning vigs in their vig directing might also be rolefishing as well.

dont know how that works since its an NK but meh.

It works this way:

Player A is the vig, survives day one to go into night. He PM's the mod,

Kill: Player B

, and assuming B has no protection, Player B dies.

Seriously, what's the point of this comment?

Pfft, this would be more likelier to have in a game.

Can't a guy have fun with his ridiculously absurd roleclaims in the RVS?

I'm not buying it at all.

Well, duh, this was the random voting stage. You never believe claims in the Random Voting Stage, because it's random.

And when pressing the preview button, I saw the quote in Phily's post.

It's nothing special.

Ok, I have no idea why Lamont asked the mod to look at the quote from Mastin

To get me modkilled, which is scummy.

However, his information concerning his night communications is very, very interesting and sounds eerily accurate. Vote: Mastin

Eh, it's just an excuse to not be able to claim any partners.

Should've claimed to be partners with one of Kai/Zee but not both before I changed the claim. Would've been fun.

I can't tell if he's joking or not

I also claimed serial killer-tracker-mason-roleblocker. You call that serious?

but I really like my vote.

Interesting, considering how the bolded lines below indicate you change it.

Post 40: Please stop quoting and replying to EVERYTHING, Mastin.

Sorry!

Scum hunting hurts the eyes.

Post 56: You really are tweaking my scumdar as you seem to have quite a lot of information concerning the Shinigami.

Speculation combined with logic, really.

No, it's not a strategic move.

Hmm, let's review, once again, shall we, why it worked.

1: It got us out of the RVS, even with so few players, in a VERY short time span,

2: It got us debating,

3: It got us scum hunting,

4: It caught scum,

5: And gave me an excellent read on most players at the time,

6: And I imagine will continue to help me get a read on other players weighing in.

Now, how's that NOT a good strategic move?

I've yet to see it actually work.

You have, now.

Bad vote.

At the time, it was true, a bad vote (this WAS the rvs), but later on, it became serious due to Magnus's poor reactions.

Scum might not be the only links, Zaz, and some links can be purely coincidental.

Actually, as he claimed SK, a lynch might be a good idea.

Again, I also claimed tracker-mason-roleblocker along with the Shinigami-SK claim. Really, what do you expect me to do in the RVS? Lurk?

I like to have my fun, and get scum hunting as soon as possible.

The claim obviously did this.

I've been breezing through your comments since you've just been bickering with Magnus.

Skimming doesn't get the full picture.

Leaping on the Lamont wagon with that poor an excuse

Oh, there's far more than that.

-He tried to push a modkill,
-He's resulted to personal attacks,
-He's ignored many points against him,
-He's been buddying with Magnus, yet calls Kai out for buddying with me,
-He calls out Kai for buddying with me, when Zee and I have also done nothing differently, and even puts Zee on his town list in a blatantly hypocritical move,
-He's been desperate, and is acting like panicked scum.

Shall I make this a full PBPA, or will you accept that I had many more reasons other than the one you gave for my vote?

Lamount's scum.

after trying to dig up a case on Magnus for ages

While I still find Magnus scummy, he has defended himself well enough to lessen my suspicions.

Lamount, on the other hand, has become far more obviouscum with all of the things I have pointed out about him.

is a leap from one failed case to a new one.

Right, so would you rather have me tunnel on Magnus? Yea, tunneling is such a pro-town thing to do, so I shouldn't have realized that there was a more scummy player than Magnus and should've kept my vote on him. [/sarcasm]

Mastin's case is crap

Again, with the personal insult/trying to disregard my scum hunting as junk.

Phil's definitely earned his place in my scumspects.

Why is Mastin obv town?

Because I play differently as scum, and am almost always town.

At this moment, I say it has failed.

And, again, I disagree. I've stated the reasoning multiple times.

Of the players who discussed it when I wasn't present, Magnus is the most town.

My bad, I should've said it gave us TWO suspects.

But, really, you can't deny how it got us debating before most players had even shown up.

That, alone, I call a success.

And I'd like to know why you didn't give any comments regarding Lamont's mod-kill question until Kai started discussing it.

I did. I quoted him as soon as he said it, remember?

If Kai beat me to it, then he beat me to it, but keep in mind, there is such a thing as Simulposting. (Or in my case, writing a post for five minutes, and them posting half-way through. )

Losing it

Losing it-->Destroying it, if it falls into the hands of a pro-town player.

So, yea, point still stands.

And explain the LaL bit.

Calling him out for the part about him not remembering it being in the rules. Note the razz smiley by it to indicate how it wasn't serious.

Mastin, when I'd say only a quarter of the players in the game are aware that its even goin on a 'gambit' like that is useless.

1: If everyone knew that I did this at the beginning of a game, there'd be no point in me doing it at all.

2: One of the reasons this works so well is that people comment into this kind of thing dozens of pages later into the game, even if it's their first time weighing in. It's a perfect way to determine alignment.

I havent even seen 10 people get involved in gameplay so far.

So? They'll weigh in eventually, including my early-on comments. It'll continue to get reactions, and continue to get people to scum hunt, until the end of the game. (At which time, people will yell at me, "Mastin, STOP CLAIMING SCUM WHEN YOU'RE TOWN!" )

Well, it looked like bussing to me. What do you think?

Yea, that was my thought as well.

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Ah, I love it when people give me so much to work with. End Page Six.

The Likely scum are

...

Lamount,
Phil,
Magnus,
Possibly Ben

The Likely Town are

...

Zee,
Kai,
KMD

The neutral are

...

Zaz,
Seraphim.

Did I miss any?

Anyway, end page six; onto page seven.

[Mastin]

Mastin never plays this way at the beginning of the game.

Uh, actually, Zwet, this is how I always play. It's a null tell for me.

You've played with me before and seen this kind of attitude.

He's acting too gutsy

Gutsy-->Claiming Anti-town role day one.

This isn't anywhere close to that. (...But I'd do it, anyway. )

to be anything less than gambiting scum.

I use Fong's/Slayer's gambit at the beginning of every game. Got a problem with that?

Votecount
Lamont_Cranston - 4 (Kairyuu, magnus_orion, ortolan, Mastin)
Mastin - 4 (Lamont_Cranston, benmage, PhilyEc, zwetschenwasser)
magnus_orion - 2 (mykonian, Seraphim)

Now, THIS is interesting...

There has been no N0, so I see no reason why a town alligned player might know something.

Perhaps you failed to consider how I was truly just speculating on a great deal, both to help the town and get reactions?

It works wonders, you know.

Well, either Zee though Ort's posts were scummy enough to keep it on, or Zee forgot. People forget they're random voting someone a whole bunch of the time.

Why?

I've gone into great detail about this in my games.

-EmpTyger in Les Misreles (or however that's spelled) gave me the inspiration behind this tell. (Speaking of which, I think that's the one I forgot on my MIT list. Writing a joke off-->Scummy. Thanks.)
-Kronos wrote off his page one bandwagon/buddying vote as a joke, and he was scum.

Essentially, I've never seen town write something with no indication at all (smileys are good indicators), and then later explain how it is a joke.

Yet I've seen scum do it a lot.

Hence, scum tell.

Was what you did in the RVS serious or jokey?

I'm not at liberty to disclose such information. Assume joking until told otherwise. (But as there was clearly indication in a bunch of winks and razz's, if the answer is that it is a joke, then the scum tell doesn't apply. Dang, I need to write that scum tell so badly.)

Good question, but I imagine others have concerns about you which you failed to answer.

So why vote at all?

This is also a good question.

Asking for a modkill is a cheap, dirty tactic, and those who do it and are dead-serious about it lose my respect. It doesn't matter what alignment the player is. If a player has multiple violations of the rules, I'd support a modkill, but even then, I would prefer a forced replacement. But with such a minor POSSIBLE infraction of the rules...

It's something which is cheap and dirty at best,

A scum tell at worst.

Are you voting Lamont_Cranston in order to try and draw scum to his wagon?

Actually, Zee, this seems dead-on, considering Magnus's claim of wanting to set up mislynches to catch scum.

You can't even tell the alignment of the player, so how can you tell if it is a mislynch?

This is a good point, and further evidence of a scumslip.

Is this necessarily scummy, or just unusual?

Definitely the latter. I'm not a normal guy. Does that make me scum? Nope.

If the latter, you should unvote and re-think.

And I agree.

I think magnus_orion is a much better candidate for scum than Lamont_Cranston.

And I agreed with you earlier, Zee. But Magnus has defended well against many points, Lamount has not.

Lamont_Cranston seems to be hunting

Insulting people, calling their cases junk, accusing the people who are accusing him, etc. Doesn't seem to qualify to me.

I think he genuinely posted that note to the mod out of concern.

But why show the concern if not pushing for a modkill?

On the other hand, magnus_orion is playing defensively, which is exactly what scum tend to do.

I'd argue that Lamount is being defensive as well, by attacking his attackers and nobody else.

And, well, I play defensively all the time. It broke my unlynched-as-town record because of it. <_<

I was keeping track VERY closely for a DARN-good reason, Zaz (for a reason I won't reveal), and Kai was, indeed, the second-to-last to confirm, but Ort was the last. Third and fourth-last were Zwet and Budja. But that doesn't change the fact that Ort was last.

Like not every mod let scum talk pre-game.

While I imagine that these games do exist, Zaz, I've yet to see a game where the scum are NOT allowed pre-game chat.

But I don't see this as a tell.

It's a MIT for a reason, you know.

Which is an invalid example, as this is clearly not a newbie game.

I was giving one example, the most common. I am sure there are plenty of more out there.

And town wouldn't push a modkill, because?

It's a cheap, dirty tactic, and if anyone does it as town, they lose my respect.

It's a morally and ethically questionable action unless the one/multiple infractions of the rule are rather large, and even then, I'd still prefer forced replacement over a modkill as town. As scum, however, a modkill is a nice way to get out of a sticky situation and let your faction get what it needs.

Pushing Modkills-->Cheap, dirty, scummy tactic.

And why is this?

Essentially in Xyl's words,
Because we all are confused at the beginning of a game. For a pro-town player, they don't mention it, for it being neutral, while a pro-scum player will point it out, thinking it's a pro-town thing to do.

I think I'm adopting this tell, due to its similarities to my Caution-->Scumtell, Recklessness-->Towntell belief.

Thing is, I've, on multiple occasions, proven how I play differently as the same alignment. 760 vs. 763 is a good contrast between the same role, vanilla townie, to give an example.

yes, I call that different.

Well, in an open setup, it's known that there's only scum. Closed setups are more fun and have more options.

Well if he were scum, claiming to have a neutral role MIGHT earn him some credit right off the bat

Neutral-->Anti-town-->Still someone who is a popular lynch target.

Nope, not seeing how it's a scum tactic.

obviously people didnt like it

I don't expect people to like it. There's something in it which makes the difference between a pro-town player and a pro-scum player in their dislike of the tactic. Kai's reaction was pro-town, to give an example.

(Kairyuu seems to have for some uknown reason).

It's an anti-town tactic to most. I've pointed out how it's pro-town, though.

Doing it early lets him jump on the 'I claimed before I was forced to so its less likely to be a lie' excuse.

If it were my actual role/I were scum, sure, it would be.

But if I'm pro-town and have a different role, what then, Phil?

I could've sworn I already went into further detail about this...

But in the end, Kai saw Mastin as obv-town.

This is one of the reasons I thought his reaction was pro-town.

I want to hear why and how his view changed from Mastin who used an annoying null tell to obv town Mastin.

Eh, it doesn't need explaining to me. I know I'm pro-town, Kai saw things he liked about me that made me pro-town. Why need anything else?

Lol.

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End Page Seven.

[Mastin]

Why not a lynch?

Because I'm pro-town, and he was saying that the scum will likely kill me.

My bad, Cat.

So Mastin, why nothing about directing the vig when addressing Kevin?

KMD mentioned how I would likely be either a vig or scum kill. He was not directing the vig. The others were.

He was also not rolefishing; I see the vig directing as possible rolefishing.

Ignoring a player-->HUGE scum tell.

I'm ignoring him (Benmage) because I think we'll find the scum in Lamount and Magnus.

Hypocrite. Though ignoring is indeed scummy.

Bad wording on my part. I was saying that the random voting post from Ben should be ignored, for it was a random vote and meaningless. I would get far more helpful things done by going after my top suspects, Magnus and Lamount.

And Mastin, it was not OMGUS in my eyes.

Perhaps.

Brilliant content from Phil. [/sarcasm]

This seems like a good post, which I believe if I understood correctly I can quote for truth.

Simple, really. We were scum hunting and acting pro-town. I am pro-town, Kai likely is pro-town. Simple logic, really.

I can only be held accountable for the first five.

Actually, Not at the time, Ben. You had one post; the vote on me came after I had gone to sleep for the night.

DAMNIT!

I just lost a massive post.

I HATE it when that happens.

@all: magnus is probably town. I can vouch for this weird as hell playstyle being his town meta. I have expressed annoyance with it in person to him repeatedly in the past, but he ignores me, and since he is consistantly the N1 kill after catching most/all fo the scum D1 I've given up trying to convince him that it doesn't work, since it apparently does.

Besides this section of the post, I agree with the the entire post.

I like this guy.

Myk's correct. I claimed in the Random Voting Stage as a joke.

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End Page eight.
I dislike Zaz's attacks on Zee. However, I do think they're a legitimate attempt at scum hunting. (Albeit I believe they're misguided)

[Mastin]

I'm watching zazieR v. Zeenon with some interest.

Sounds like lurking to me.

Watching, without contributing to it.

Why did you chose one over the other?

People only have one vote, you know. And they're going to choose the one they think is more likely to be scum of the two they want to vote.

Phil, Zee's been contributing more great content than perhaps even me.

Stop twisting the facts. Zee pointed many things out, which *I* quoted for truth. In ONE instance, he quoted me for truth, and I quoted the quote for truth. But in MANY others, it was him first.

This was not implied in the quote provided, and is NOT what I did. I've given my reasoning for having kept my originally-random vote on Magnus, and switching to Lamount.

claiming third party is not something normal.

I'm not normal. People should know this by now. I'm a, umm, special kind of scum hunter.

Mastin doesn't think town will do him harm. (assumption)

I will not state why, but this is partially true. (It involves reactions to my claim, the difference between a pro-town and pro-scum reaction. To state why would nullify the reasoning involved.)

Therefor, I guess that Mastin doesn't have a deathnote. Mastin, am I right?

The second I begin to possess a deathnote, the deathnote is burned. I'm a member of the town.

But, yes, you're correct; I do not have one.

You can just click the links, Phil.

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End Page nine.

[Mastin]

It comes with time, Zaz. I go by page numbers.

Phil, I hadn't read it at the time. Now I have. And explained it.

Upon first read, I am getting the vibe of a bunch of townies all accusing one another.

Isn't that, umm, what happens in most games?

Anyway, I tend to disagree that it's what's happening here. I do think that Lamount, and probably Magnus, and most likely Phil, and possibly Ben, are the scum in this game. Zaz and Zee look like two pro-town players at each other's throats, though.

This is hypocritical. For this to be true, I have to be a pro-town player, Phil, and yet you're voting me, so clearly, you do NOT agree with Steph.

mastin, I'm pretty sure, that you are capable of posting shorter, less quote invested posts.

Two things make my posts shorter:

1: Being caught up. (four pages in the time it took me to sleep makes my posts longer)

2: Being attacked less. (Seriously, it's true. If you want shorter posts, don't attack me. )



Wait, Albert...you're the one who told ME to LYNCH Jesters in Mini 760, and that we should NEVER mention Jesters--Why the change in opinion?

End Page ten, what has been written thusfar.

[Mastin]

Right, so short version short:

Lamount's scum.
Magnus is a little less likely to be scum, but is still probably scum.
Philly's very likely scum, at least Magnus's equal in my opinion,
Benmage might be scum,

Zee's town,
Kai's town,
Zaz seems town,
Myk is leaning town,

And everyone else is neutral.

[Mastin]

Hmm, can't seem to find it on a skim. Might've been someone else, but SOMEONE said in 760 that it was best to just lynch Jesters, anyway.

[Mastin]

Magnus, I tried that.

Remember me talking about my would-be-unlynched-as-town record?

Yea, that's what did it. <_<

[Mastin]

hen it is clear that Shinigami can also be in possession of Death Notes and are not scum.

Shinigami are, however, anti-town.

your “scum trap” isn’t ensnaring players who are scum

Yes, it is.

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Semi's PBPA is rather selective. It fails to account for the majority of the thread, and is focusing WAY too much on only the two players.

[Mastin]

I thought you said it was you playing defensively...

It was both. Defensive, and stating conclusions to go on the offensive, when ready to go onto the offensive, too late. :/

[Mastin]

I don't find any of them to be the correct lynch and think it would be easy for scum to slip onto those wagons without drawing suspicion to them.

So, what? We're wagonning scum; does it matter if scum can slip in?

Vote: mykonian

1: You failed to state your case on Myk,

2: This is hypocritical, for you're starting a bandwagon on Myk, an easy wagon as well.

He doesn’t address anything as a whole

I can, but prefer not to. Dissecting gets better scum-hunting done.

It leads to easy misrepresentation and miscommunication.

As is quoting the whole thing.

If no matter what you do, you can still cause confusion, which method do you choose? I choose the method which gives greater detail.

It is NOT a good scum hunting tactic

It is to me--it's nailed scum every time I've used it. I imagine it'll nail scum in many more games to come.

because it’s nearly impossible to follow what you are saying or even verify its accuracy

You're one to talk.

1: Long paragraphs are nearly impossible to follow.

2: Not using quote tags at all is more confusing than anything else.

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This whole post seemed to be a bit of bashing at my scum hunting technique, discrediting it as worthless. "Is NOT a good scum hunting technique"-->Not worth looking at-->Not valuable.

[Mastin]

The whole first five pages is largely centered around you and magnus_orion.

No, it wasn't. We had FIVE contributors, ALL of which received EQUAL attention.

Because individually, they wouldn't be enough. :/

[Mastin]

1. No, long paragraphs are easy to follow

Odd, I had extreme trouble following it.

2. You're one to talk.

I use them all the time. Semi doesn't.

Myk was already being attacked by Llama with some valid points which I'm not sure Myk answered.

[Mastin]

You have my record. That's all I can give. Dissecting did that.

[Mastin]

Drat. That sucked.

Unfortunately, the anti-kira, the pro town allies, have failed to utilize their pre game discussion and have far less information. Raye Penber, Mastin, has tried speaking to Naomi and has 9 posts to his own credit (giving away to anyone he's Mastin...). Naomi, Zwetchenwasser, picked up his prod late, but even then, failed to respond. Poor Raye.

I found it rather ironic that Zwet was my partner. I had a specific post in the thread, ASKING that if he WAS Naomi for him to NOT forget he was a Mason. (...He did. <_<)

I was dead-certainly that either Kai, or ZEE, were Naomi until well after I was dead. I was certain that they got the hints I was dropping early on. (My posts early in this game were NOT the way they were because of my style. They were the way they were because I wanted to freakin' know who my partner was!
Just to make sure the message got across once and for all, I was going to prepare one final breadcrumb, just to make sure, involving me being a

Ray

of Light who will

track

down evil and destroy it.)

I was screaming from the grave my opinions until I flaked--like that Ort/SSK was so obv.town, I cried. There appear to be a lot of notes; I wish I could've read 'em all instead of just browse.