The Manor: Chzo Mafia (Game Over!)

[Alabaska J]

i'm here just sick

[Alabaska J]

OK WOAH I HAD THE WRONG THREAD sorry.

why wasn't i prodded? reading.

[Alabaska J]

AJ will turn up. Eventually. He does this often.

<3

[Alabaska J]

i'm here just sick

woah. i don't remember making this post. i was kinda feverish and out of it lol. apparently i was playing mafia haha

[Alabaska J]

I'll happily drink it.

As tempting as it would be to get you the hell out of this game, I think I'll hang on to it for now.

any reason behind this hostility?

[Alabaska J]

I will not vote for anyone until either someone drinks the drink, or we come to a consensus that no one is going to drink the drink.

I still think we should force Lamont to chug it.

are you a lyncher stephoscope? cuz if you are i think this is just precious

[Alabaska J]

Someone has to drink it. I don't care who. Seriously. Not using all the items, at least this early, is a waste.

Agreed. i really don't like hohum's stance on not using the items, or Lamont's backing of it. do you know how much harder we could be making this game for ourselves? and i agree that we should do this randomly, but if the randomly chosen person does not want to do it, then they don't have to.

[Alabaska J]

I am 100% in favor of someone drinking the drink.

I am against the idea of random.org, since we'll just read into however a given person's "randomization" goes. Let's just pick someone. I pick Lamont.

this is seriously really cute

[Alabaska J]

this is pure speculation...
but what if it gave him an advantage? Say he drinks it, and then he can see everyone's roles...
Seeing as we don't know if he's scum or townie... how does that help?

I think its Hohum's decision whether to use it or not.

I say let him make the decision because then he alone is responsible for the outcome. If we sit around bickering about whether or not to use it, we're all still just pointing a finger at each other.

But then again, pointing the finger might help us all... so if we all agree to use it, I think Xtoxm should drink it, seeing as he volunteered.

wow

vote: Naomi

[Alabaska J]

Conversely, I think not wanting anyone to drink the drink is anti-town. It's usually a townie who gets lynched on day one. Throwing a wrench into things and making the game more interesting should lead to more things to analyze, more discussion, and more chances to find scum...and I think all of that is very much pro-town.

what is the point of the second sentence in this post?

[Alabaska J]

Vote Naomi

285 looks very much like newb-scum to me.

285 looks like pro-town to me.

Fos Xtoxm

you're kidding right

i can understand disagreeing that it is noobscum, but going as far as to call it pro-town is quite a reach

FoS: Lamont

[Alabaska J]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

hopefully everyone is

[Alabaska J]

Ok the two prevailing arguments are:

1) This thing is more likely to hurt the town than help it -- let it go away.

2) The item is something that itself needs to be explored for potential benefit to the town, letting it go is hurting the town.

Since:

A) The Mod has said he hates townies and wants to mind screw them
B) Chzo is all about villagers dying in a bloody way so a bodily-dispossessed boy can walk the earth again, killing everyone.
C) There is at least 2/3 more town than Mafi/Neutral

I don't think #2 is safe and I think it is anti-village to advocate #2.

If we had an item with more definite properties I could advocate #2 but since this is totally unpredictable, see A-C.

yay for outguessing the mod

[Alabaska J]

Fos Pyro

For the record let it be noted:
You're quick to defend your choice of actions...

why is this bad

[Alabaska J]

@Steph

, are you a big fan of blind vig-killing on the first day?

hopefully everyone is

What possible protown motivation is behind this? Seriously.

before anything else is said, let me ask you: have you taken the noobie quiz?

[Alabaska J]

agreed Lamont makes a good point...

Unvote, vote Pablo

opportunistic :/

[Alabaska J]

really. information = good for town

outguessing the mod = bad for town

[Alabaska J]

really. information = good for town

outguessing the mod = bad for town

So a townie converts to Mafi and pretends to be silenced. Good for town??

Are you saying you know what the potion does?

never rely too much on flavor to tell you everything about a game.

[Alabaska J]

Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?

the one you obviously haven't taken

vigging night 0 is a good idea

[Alabaska J]

Which "noobie quiz" are you referring to, AJ?

the one you obviously haven't taken

vigging night 0 is a good idea

I don't vig n0.

and you are supposed to be the zenith of mafia strategy or something?

i really don't care if you vig n0 or not

[Alabaska J]

Well I don't see why someone's putting words in my mouth... I'm not looking to wash my hands of any misdeeds. I was stating how it's up to hohum to use it or not, seeing as hohum is gone right now no one knows what he intends to do at this point. But the last thing he said was that he wasn't willing to use it.

I'm not saying we shouldn't use it, I don't agree with him there. But there's a lot of other people saying that we should just let it go unused. I'm not sure that ignoring something like this is a good idea, even if we don't know what it might do. It'd be like advocating no lynch D1. We've got to take risks at some point. But the question is what risks do we take?

The way I see it we can pressure him to use it, and tell him what to do with it, but he doesn't have to do it. Not doing what we say to will probably lead to many votes for his lynching. Which is all I was really saying. The majority wants to use it and I would have to agree.
I just don't know about a random dice roll as the decision.

this is noncommittal in almost every way, in addition to the fact you have just parroted a lot of other people's statements. Naomi, if you were hohum, what would you do with the elixir?

[Alabaska J]

I think you three need to clarify this case against Naomi because I'm just not seeing it. For the most part she has held sane views. So far you are pulling two posts out and I haven't seen a really good explanation yet.

most of it makes sense, technically. the problem is, almost every time, someone else has said it first. she parrots people to the point of contradicting herself. she hasn't really added anything to this game other than being noncommittal and pasting again what others have said.

@Xtoxm, AJ:

Why are you totally silent on Pablo which is an OBVIOUS case?

look, I see where you are going with pablo, but i think you are looking too far into it. i could very easily seeing a townie making that statement. it takes a second to see why it is scummy, and i could easily see a townie who just didn't think his or her post through well enough making that statement. if you coupled it with more evidence of his scumminess, i would take it more seriously. but without anything accompanying it? i dunno, seems a little weak to form a whole case on by itself.

Btw, are you two on some kind of team together? Xtoxm seemed pretty interested in making sure you wouldn't be replaced AJ...

if we were on a team together, it wouldn't matter who played with Xtoxm, so he wouldn't try to stop a replacement. we are just buddies on this site, and he knows how i am.

[Alabaska J]

Tajo who is

usually

a pillar of good gameplay?

we have obviously had different experiences with tajo lol

¡te amo, mi amigo!

[Alabaska J]

Vote: Naomi

You've missed the point, the point being that its scummy AND stupid to use something if you don't know what it does.

agree with the vote, disagree COMPLETELY with the reason.

[Alabaska J]

i hate how the people who say no one should have the decanter b/c it might be bad for the person volunteering are the same as the people who say anyone volunteering to drink the decanter is probably scum who know what the decanter does and want the advantage it could give.

does no one else see the inherent contradiction here?

Blerg, I see this as a weak debate to start the game.

Listen people, there are people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to take risks.

And there are always people that regardless allignment, they will always choose to be conservative about risks.

I could bet that at this point there are both scum and town in the "omg, dont drink it" group and both town and scum in the "yey drink it" group

:goodposting:

[Alabaska J]

I think you three need to clarify this case against Naomi because I'm just not seeing it. For the most part she has held sane views. So far you are pulling two posts out and I haven't seen a really good explanation yet.

most of it makes sense, technically. the problem is, almost every time, someone else has said it first. she parrots people to the point of contradicting herself. she hasn't really added anything to this game other than being noncommittal and pasting again what others have said.

I can make the same case for Naomi as you did for Pablo except the case against pablo is

stronger

.

There are also plenty of people that have contributed far less than Naomi and frankly all I've gotten from her so far is a village read that is easily led under pressure.

she's posted quite a bit actually. her content has been inherently noncommittal and wishy-washy, and you can't say the same for Pablo IMO. i think the case on naomi is much stronger. she seems like stereotypical noobscum to me

[Alabaska J]

Anyone who uses or suggests the use of any items on anyone, regardless of their scumminess or method of selection, is making themselves look scummy in mye eyes.

I agree with you.

good god this game is full of fail

why in the world would you want to waste possible information

[Alabaska J]

MOD PLEASE PROD
Malkon

Alabaska J

Kratos
Pablo Molinero

what the hell? you've made like two posts the entire game and are obviously not reading the thread if you think i need prodding.

i don't understand why you people who are afraid the decanter is gonna hurt someone just let someone else try it

[Alabaska J]

I dislike LaMont's buddying with hohum and Devastation

FoS: LaMont Cranston

yeah that quote about your stance is old hohum.

i hate how LaMont thinking something is anti-town makes more than half the people on this game think it too

people need to stop letting lamont lead the town

in fact, i'm gonna agree with stephescope, if this is how wee are gonna do it and

vote: LaMont Cranston

to drink the decanter

[Alabaska J]

I dislike LaMont's buddying with hohum and Devastation

FoS: LaMont Cranston

yeah that quote about your stance is old hohum.

i hate how LaMont thinking something is anti-town makes more than half the people on this game think it too

people need to stop letting lamont lead the town

in fact, i'm gonna agree with stephescope, if this is how wee are gonna do it and

vote: LaMont Cranston

to drink the decanter

Actually I've "buddied up" with you, Xtoxm & Tajo now because I see the wisdom of your argument about the "battle of the items".

Me and Devastation have parted ways at this point. I see his position now as anti-town and will need a better explanation which directly explains why the "battle of the items" does not need to be explored now when the risk is at its least. I do not buy his excuse that "the items have to be more frequent".

In fact, officially note my assertion that his position is now +scum.

rereading your recent posts, i get you.

seeing as you are leading the town though, i'd still like you to be the one drinking the decanter. hopefully you understand why i feel this way.

[Alabaska J]

So far according to my memory there have only been two people that advocated d1-no-lynch as go poof:

Xtoxm & SAJIN

I don't think there is a 3rd person...

And btw what do you think about random assignment vs. town-wide voting?

Would you accept a two-phase voting where the two top town chosen people are identified and then everyone votes on A or B?

What the hell?? I never advocated a D1 No Lynch, and wouldn't.

Both Xtoxm and SAJIN have said that not using the elixir is like advocating NL D1.

Hohum has said that he thinks there is a connection between those who say that and those that volunteer to consume the elixir.

In other words he is positing the theory that people are trying to force the elixir to be used on themselves with this argument.

I only posted the two people who said this from my recollection. I'm not saying I am agreeing with his theory but just posting data to help explore his theory.

lol i'm pretty sure they were saying that BECAUSE they don't advocate d1 no-lynch. they were comparing it to something bad to point out its usefulness. reading comprehension is tech.

[Alabaska J]

First- I asked what others thought about no lynches, where does this say "I likez noe lynches, we shud doo that!"?? Misrepping and do so badly. Reading is tech.

So, uh what did I miss? Nothing. Nothing at all.

*plays a little jazz flute to liven up the room*

we need to generate discussion. how does everyone feel about no lynches?

Shadow knight is a LYAR!

You were originally the one who began the talk about no lynching. I would say that equals suggesting it. Asking how everybody feels about it in that way implies that you support it.

i think the "let's generate discussion" qualifier beforehand rules out that possibility

[Alabaska J]

its "alabaska" btw not "alaska" or "alabama"

[Alabaska J]

hey still here had unexpected computer problems catching up

[Alabaska J]

Unvote

fix'd

[Alabaska J]

@Amished: Your post wall has many errors concerning me. My position on the elixir has directly mirrored yours so your argument there as much implicates you as me.

If I was to respond to the post wall it would be unnecessarily huge.

Hohum's attack on me is crap. He has a really bad playstyle. I understand the other two votes as I mentioned both of them on my elixir analysis; basically revenge voites.

For the record, I have abandoned the elixir analysis as it is too confusing an issue to be usable.

Lynching me D1 is epic village fail here.

this post reeks of scumminess