I was planning to OMGUS myself, instead I'll OMGUS you!Incamnito wrote:Yay!
I was just getting low on games.
VOTE : ZMD
Why? I was listening to Portishead, the new album, and I was thinking that it is just as progressive for TODAY as the old albums were FOR THEN.
Like, logically, Portishead(Third) is to NOW as Portishead(Dummy) was to 1994. You understand.
AndFOS Yosariwenfor artificially inflating thier post count.
Do you have some grudge? Your partner knows what she's doing in this game. Listen to her!Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:This is perhaps the most fascinatingly frightening thing I've seen in a while (though my tiredness + big test tomorrow might well be contributing heavily to that perception). Especially the idiosyncratic posting and the mounting (but probably unfounded) fear that we'll get stuck in the random stage too long. Anyway. Hey, other head, how sure are you re Raging Wishbone's scumhood? I feel tempted to random vote Zmd but you got here first.
QFTIncamnito wrote: I say lynch whenever we have a good cantidate!
If she did, she obviously shouldn't point them out now. At least not unless they've shown up in this game already. I assume they haven't though. DGB called Yos/Nuwen town.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote: Goofball, did you learn any scumtells from playing with Nuwen and Yos2?
Nope.Incamnito wrote: 3. Zmd - Lets start playing now! KMD can't blame the time difference, can he?
I assume it was the breadcrumb.Raging Wishbone wrote: If I am wrong and Incamito was killed by scum with five votes on him, why? Why would scum waiste that kill on someone who was wagoned so hard? Did he write something that really scared the scum team?
You had asked about when we should be lynching. My opinion was that we should play as normal and lynch when we have a good lynch candidate.Raging Wishbone wrote: Do you read much or is it me?I still dont get it Yosey said at 50% we auto lynch someone. We were not at 50%, he had five votes on him... so I just don't get it? I mean your statement that I bolded... is that a rule of the game or your opinion? Right on, the rest of it, meh, fair enough.
I left? I went offline and slept last night. I'll be around for the game.Ortohoops wrote:
Look at Kmd for instance - he's just made his 3rd post of the game. A wishy-washy assessment of play, and has now left. Normally it wouldn't matter, but in the time he's gone, that's ~20% of this action phase. Being online and being active matters, just as much as forcing others to be active does.
This is why I want the first 1-2 lynches to be lurkers.
QFTJ-Scope wrote: So I don’t think we should focus on this. If a hydra is scummy and just so happens to have a smaller PPD that’s fine, but the scum tells should come first.
Depending on the posts, I'd say you could.Ortohoops wrote:
Do you really think you can generate accurate reads on players if they're only posting say ~8 times per action phase?
Scared?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote: ZMD is playing scared.
I usually am pretty active in my games. Zaz said she'd do most of the posting so I could focus on other things for a while, but now she has limited access, so I will be doing most of the posting, and our activity level will increase.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Yeah, scared. You're now trying to be active, but with very little scum hunting. That last post, only the last sentence could maybe be described as scum hunting. And even then, it's a really weak probe.
She said investigative? When was this?sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Your argument is off. You specifically stated "investigative" power role when outing the breadcrumb. Those breakdown 2:1 in towns favor.Yosariwen wrote:That's exactly what you're seeing - Wishbone and company asked for an explanation and got one. Are youFrog Dodging wrote:explanationreallytrying to make a requested response seem scummy?
If reading comprehension is the issue, my point can be summarized as: there was no reason to assume Camn's breadcrumbing came from a town player. Power roles of both alignments have motive to crumb their action, and hitting a power role at random is more likely to hit scum than hitting any play at random.
unvote vote:Yosariwen
Incog/camn already flipped town. So either Yos/Nuwen or DGB/Plum. I'd say Yos/Nuwen would be more likely.Ortohoops wrote:Trotsky wrote:well a cursory read of this thread has told me yosariwen, incamnito and zaphod are town
i'd vote for frog dodging but my better half apparently already had the right idea
This is an excellent early quote from scum Trotsky calling out three people as town. It's undoubtedly going to be labelled wifom, but I don't think rofl (I presume it was him) wouldn't put in a scumbuddy if he was going to make these early claims.
So, if one were to be scum, who is worth looking at?
Or maybe a SK killed rofl/korts.Frog Dodging wrote: Plus now we've just confirmed that it was the scum kill, unless the scum has decided that killing one of their own power roles would be a good idea for today.
Yosariwen is the way to go right now, guys.
Because scumRaging Wishbone wrote:Win.Raging Wishbone wrote:Vote Trotsky. Communist scum!
I'd never heard of Portishead until that post. If camn was using an inside joke, it would probably have been directed at me and something from a past game. This was not the case here.J-Scope wrote:Which I took to mean that ZMD also listens to Portishead or should relate to the joke vote on some level. If anything, in the back of my mind I was wondering if "Portishead" was an inside joke or some clue to another game they had played together in. So I wanted a reaction from them that might confirm something along those lines.
I gave my reads along with a PBPA on my top suspect. I've commented on everything that I see as important. Not sure what more could be useful.Pesco Light wrote: And very little has come from you overall. More than 100 posts into the serious business of the game and you can't say anything useful?
How do you know for sure it was them?Raging Wishbone wrote: Oh and lastly Apples and Bannas trying to get someone modkilled does not sit well with me at all.
Why?Raging Wishbone wrote:...and you are right I should not have taken his/her word for it without reading! I trusted her/him.
With a wagon at L-2 already, why?populartajo wrote:Unvote Vote : Sex with shafted.
This is a good wagon.
Weird wagon jump.Raging Wishbone wrote:Attempt not to answer my question noted!sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:attempt to prevent the town from lynching further into day 2 noted
Why did you write Apple and Bannanas tried to get YoSo modkilled?
UNVOTE: VOTE SEXwithED
Because the lynch looks likely already and "super bussing" makes you look good.sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:God you suck at this game. I thought I was bad, but jesus. Why in the hell would scum super bus their remaining partner on D2? Get your head out of your ass.Raging Idiot wrote:Is the rest of the scum team Yoso/nuwen and sexed?
Any reason other than having a hard time keeping up?Death the Hogfather wrote:vote: ZMD
I planned on updating at the end of the post, but I'll do it now.Nuwen wrote: What updates do you have to your first scumlist, if any? Who is most likely to be scum right now? Who is his/her most likely partner?
I assume they made a QT for the hydra.SensFan wrote:What QT?Raging Rabbit wrote:257 - Walt's is way overreacting, and according to our qt was rather drunk at this point.
You haven't dropped the tell yet.Apples and Banana wrote: KMD, you claim to have some sort of secret meta tell on me. What's your take?
Yes.Ortohoops wrote:Is it just me, or does Raging Wishbone sound really dirty?
My new list is (I'm removing myself because it is kind of pointless to have me on there. Also removing the dead player again.):Zmd wrote: New list (Green numbers note move towards towniness. Red are scummy moves. Towniest still at top. Scummiest at bottom.):
Town
Zmd: +/-0
1Zaphod Beeblebrox: +/-0
2Ortohoops: +/-0
Neutral
3Pesco-Light+6
4Frog Dodging+3
5J-Scope+1
6PoketheAlpaca-3
7Death the Hogfather+3
8Apples and Banana +/-0
Scum
9sex w/ shafteds wife club-3
Yosariwen-6
10Raging Wishbone +/-0
I'm posting every chance I get. I wasn't home for most of today.Death the Hogfather wrote: And Zmd for lurking without reason (my reason was that I was V/LA).
It's just frustrating because I used to have a very high activity level in every game I played. I have trouble keeping up with some games now and it sucks.nyballosulgniirkps wrote: Zmd: not a lot content, the perpetual defence against being a lurker feels scummy to me.
I don't know. One scum left. I'd think scum would put up more of a fight knowing their dead buddies are counting on them.DrippingGoofball wrote:Is that the sweet, sweet sound of scum giving up I just heard?
*DGB*
vote Death the Hogfather
Why not? Early votes probably weren't mafia. Poker/Tajo didn't vote Yos/Nuwen at all. RW was the L-1 vote. They were still suspects at the time (I see that Poker/Tajo flipped town).sex w/ shafteds wife club wrote:Does not computeZmd wrote:Anyway. The Yos/Nuwen lynch. I agree that the early voters are not likely to be mafia. They could still be SK though. Just not mafia.
...
Scum
PoketheAlpaca -3
Raging Wishbone +/-0
...
Vote Raging Wishbone
This was the point I was trying to make.Ortohoops wrote:The thing is though, if Hogfather was the last scum, why would he throw the game away and not try and stop his lynch? I know they've been having hydra problems, but if you were the last alive for your team, I doubt he'd be accepting a loss so easily.
I think he's probably lazy town.
What is stopping scum from claiming something that looks like a forced win?Apples and Banana wrote:Well, before I answer that question:Frog Dodging wrote:Yes. Why do you ask?Apples and Banana wrote:Frog, have you submitted that choice?
Since we're hunting for a single Scum, should we mass-claim and see if we have a forced win?
Why bother claiming if you aren't giving results?Apples and Banana wrote:I'm not sure its best to claim results yet.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:You forgot to include results with your claim.
Ok, this actually could make sense.Apples and Banana wrote:If we're going to massclaim, which I think we should, I'll wait to see if/who Scum claims to have targetted.Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:If you are a town tracker, you will be killed (if Death the Hogfater was town). So why not give your result?
They are trackers, not watchers.Raging Wishbone wrote: I have quick question for anyone, if Apples and Bananas as well as FrogDodge are both trackers can't they watch each other? Doesnt that mean scum can't kill either without being caught. OR...
Isn't that 3 kills today? Sex, Poker/Tajo/FD. I thought there was scum + vig or SK (vig).Saunt Adelaus wrote:Frog Dodging, Tracker, has been killed
Town:Zmd wrote: Town
1Ortohoops+1
2Pesco-Light+1
Neutral:
sex w/ shafteds wife club+6
Frog Dodging +/-0
3Zaphod Beeblebrox-4
4J-Scope-1
5Apples and Banana+1
Death the Hogfather-1
Scum
PoketheAlpaca-3
6Raging Wishbone +/-0
Already claimed vanilla here.ortolan wrote: Looks like it to me. Please claim without delay. We also need claims from nyb Raging and Zmd
What you call active lurking is actually the fact that I got a job and pretty much have only posted here at night.Raging Wishbone wrote: My top two suspects are Zaphod and Zmd, and I think I'm leaning Zmd now. He's been actively lurking the entire game, hammered Yos after he became an obv lynch, and keeps coming up with these entirely arbitrary scumlists that prove he isn't actually trying to find scum. For one thing, me and Walt have been his top suspect for a while now, but none of his "list updates" change our score or say hardly anything about our recent posting. I don't see a townie letting his top suspect just sit there at the top of the list without further attacks/analysis. He's just comfortable voting for the guy he thinks would be a likely mislynch.
Vote Zmd.
-RR
Let's lynch Raging Wishbone first. If they are town, we'll go to JScope or Zaphod. If we do it quickly enough, we have 4 players left. One is a claimed tracker. One is scum. Not a bad scenario.ortolan wrote: If we can get a consensus of most scummy to least scummy then we can just quicklynch down the list repeatedly. As long as the scum are in the first five and we do this before the next action phase starts we auto-win. How does this sound to people?
Why would we WANT the scum to kill when we can take away all of their kills if we move quickly enough? Why not control the rest of the deaths as a town? I'm with Ort on this one.Raging Wishbone wrote: Yeah, they don't get another kill 'till the next action phase. And that sounds too risky. I think we can afford letting the scum choose one more kill in favor of more in depth discussion rather than just loads of quicklynching based on an arbitrary list, especially since we have no one even close to being confirmed at this point.
Actually, I "waited" until I caught up on the game.J-Scope wrote: Looking at the rise of the Yosariwen wagon I don't like ZMD's participation. They waited until the wagon was an inevitable lynch and then they placed a hammer.
J-Scope wrote: Today they are pushing the point that scum couldn't possibly have bussed. Instead of scum hunting, this point looks more like a defensive act because it attempts to place themselves as the most townie looking with the most visible Yos vote (the hammer).
I NEVER "try" to lay low. Regardless of alignment. The only exception is the game where I was a beloved princess and I hated trying to lay low. I'd even say I spoke up too much near the end of that game. I completely suck at trying to lay low (based on just one game of course, but still). As scum, I try to control a game as much as possible. See the recently finished game, Mini 733. See Futurama (a mini. I forget the number.)J-Scope wrote: Their scumhunting was very weak day 1, and trying to avoid commenting on the Yos wagon in multiple posts. They were trying to lay low instead of scumhunt on day 1, which makes me think they are really scum.
I am vanilla. I didn't target anyone. If you say otherwise, that's straight up suicide. Even if I am lynched, I'll flip vanilla, and you are next dead. If you say I targeted someone, I will accept my own lynch because it wins the game immediately after.SensFan wrote:Wait...ZMD...did you say you didn't targetanyoneDay 1?
I've been pretty verbal about my stances on RW and on you.ortolan wrote: That said I find their constant contribution of pretty much non-content early in the game scummy as well as their failure to take strong stands on anyone, scummy.
Actually, I don't think I did that in Paris Mafia. Even if I had, I was a mime. So I did what I thought was scummy. If I thought it was scummy, why would I do it as scum.ortolan wrote: I also dislike the "updating people's relative standings" thing they do every post. I think I've seen Kmd do it before but I believe that was when he was a mime (paired jester) in Paris Mafia. These sorts of player-lists are usually frowned upon as being easily posted by scum to feign activity. Additionally I find it wierd that theybothseemed to do it every post for a period of time (or else it was just one of them posting). Seems wierd that they'd play so constantly with one another, almost premeditated.
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^This.ortolan wrote:waiting for A&B to claim their results. This should be interesting, and currently it looks like as long as we lynch A&B and Zmd we're guaranteed to win, because Sens already softclaim-contradicted Zmd's vanilla claim
Are you being serious?Raging Wishbone wrote: If you say the reason you are going to leave mafiascum is because you get accused of being scum when you are town.... Well then I would rather let you win then not be able to play with you again.
If we all do decide to play the take the two most Townies to end game... I wanna give Zaphod a free pass there win or lose... I mean come on does anyone else want to see her leave Mafiascum? Even if we lose we will win because she will stay right? meh, she gets to sleep with herself at night winning this way.
They probably saw us as suspicious. And they probably died because they were a claimed tracker.Raging Wishbone wrote: @Zmd - Why do you think FrogDodge said he was going to track you next? Why did he die mere hours after he wrote that?
QFT.Raging Wishbone wrote:She is a sweety and fun to play with!
Seemed that he implied we targeted someone.Raging Wishbone wrote: ...Damn A & B hopefully will post soon to clear thinga up... I mean there is no semantics error in his post right? He asked a question of ZMD which implied ZMD lied? Therefore, one of them is lying?
That's the only way I was thinking he would back off of that. And I can see him doing that as a real tracker.SensFan wrote: I was trying to scare ZMD into changing his claim and saying he targetted someone.
Didn't realize people were voting during twilight.Raging Wishbone wrote: Sorry ZMD one more question to throw your way. If you have studied and read and paid attention enough to this thread as you claim...considering twilight lasted only about 20 hours and consisted of 10 to 15 posts. Why did you think you were at L1 Bro?
I was going to bed very shortly after that post. I didn't take the time to go back and look.Raging Wishbone wrote: You weren't, you only had two votes on you! Why write I believe rather then go back and check to make sure you are at L1 before making an elaborate post condeming several players and "warning" everyone not to vote for you because you were at L1 and in essence, implying that they would be hammering you?
I was going after A&B because they claimed a guilty on us. Something I knew to be untrue.Raging Wishbone wrote: You went after A & B pretty hard, but you didin't even know that you were NOT at L1?
While I do believe you right now, it's very easy to fake tracker if you wait until massclaim to claim results and you say a vanilla didn't target anyone and your other targets are dead.Apples and Banana wrote: I find it ridiculous people somehow think I bussed my last buddy with 8ish Town (and another killer) alive, then fakeclaimed a role that's basically impossible to fake for any length of time.
Ok, so N1 Trotsky was dead and Yos didn't kill. The living scum killed N1. Sens says that we didn't target anyone N1. Him being a tracker clears us. Even if he is lying, he is the last scum, so that makes us town.ortolan wrote: And here I (almost) break the setup:
Mafia doctor (roflcopter) cannot submit a kill due to Hippocratic oath.Frog Dodging (440) wrote:Action Phase 1 we tracked Yosariwen, who strangely enough we got no result on.
If Apples & Bananas is indeed a tracker, thisclearsZmd because theycannothave submitted N1 kill.
I can't readSensFan wrote: I chose him because he can read me supposedly 100%.
Night 1. Trotsky was dead. A confirmed via flip tracker saw that Yos didn't kill that night. Only one other scum could have done it. That scum is the scum we are looking for now. The only way it is me is if A&B is lying as town. Lynching me now means you think Sens is lying as town.Raging Wishbone wrote:EBWOP
You are being sarcastic right? You are not confirmed town, lol, we have a third scum who could have submitted one of the two kills. We don't know Apples and Banana really is a tracker and actually watched you phase one... If it come down to a quick lynch, ZMD you are and have been on the top of the list, imo.Zmd wrote: So let's get lynching. We are confirmed town. A&B is likely town. Ortohoops is likely town. Let's lynch RW, JScope, Zaph, and nyball in that order. If we do it quickly enough, it's probably a win.
Trotsky was dead though.ortolan wrote:Um...scratch that, I wasn't paying attention LuL. Zmd is not cleared, Yos was the doctor, not Trotsky.
Fair enough. Although it's unlikely anyone would have noticed your crumbs.SensFan wrote: ZMD, that's only if everyone claims Vanilla. That, and the fact I crumbed Tracker heavily enough I probably couldn't have gotten away with claiming anything else, even if it was well before a MC.
I type up my posts as I am reading. For example, right now, I've read this part of your post and nothing after it. Sometimes, my opinions change or I realize things as I am reading. The second was the case here.J-Scope wrote:Zmd did you just push an argument then withdraw it in the same post? Why?
Yes, I realize that there is still the chance that the mafia chose their roleblocker, Trotsky, to kill on Day 1 meaning I am NOT confirmed town.J-Scope wrote: You are acknowledging correctly now that you are not confirmed town, correct? Then why did you go ahead and keep that false argument on A&B? It looks like you are falsely trying to paint him as scum.
Who is policy lynching?Raging Wishbone wrote: You know I just don't see you wanting to do anything but go with the "policy lynch" plan... and I disagree with tha plan.
Simple really. There's more than one scum. Yos was suspicious too. Yos was at L-First, you weren't even close. The Yos lynch was just as good as yours. And they were scum, so it worked out. I'm not seeing the problem.Raging Wishbone wrote:I still don't understand why you voted Yo/nuwen, when you clearly stated a few weeks ago we were scum.
Good observation. Zaz made the first two posts of the game. Everything else has been me, Kmd.Raging Wishbone wrote: You know what also really intrigues me, You both seem to have one voice and shoveling the same comments. Can you please tell me if both partners are active and who wrote this last post? - ww
Other people say I'm scum! They MUST be right!Raging Wishbone wrote:The more and more I read your posts in solation Zmd andthe other comments people have made on your alignmentthe more you reek of scum. Since it seems we are doing the policy lynch thing, and Zmd has the most votes...
Vote: ZMD
Actually, I've been pretty clear on my stances. I said I was against an A&B lynch (I see that they were killed). I said I was against an Ortohoops lynch (still am). I also wouldn't like an ny lynch. I WOULD support a lynch of you, JScope, or Zaphod in that order. Preferably not Zaphod yet though. I fail to see how I'd take any lynch.Raging Wishbone wrote: I think this is the exchange that bothers me most... ZMD claims to want to lynch good candidates, however they dont want to lynch "good" candidates, they only want to lynch anyone who is easy to lynch. They dont care if they lynch townie or scum, they just want to survive... if we didn't already have a lynched VIG, I would swear they were Serial Killers.
As far as a conncetion to Yos, reading so far, this is the closest thing I can find; the whole exchange with SexEd... Why does Zmd, tell DGB not to point out the scumtell on Yos/Nuwen...why does ZMD never tell us a scumtell on yos/Nuwen... Why does ZMD try to derail DGB's early line of questioning?
I'm not sure ZMD is the right lynch, however my partner was... Also, out of all the remaining Townies, Zmd is on the top of those I think may be scum. I think this is s good lynch.
Someone please Hammer this Scum!
I'm reading much more than I did very early in the game. I'm active and have strong opinions. I'm not going to sit back and take a lynch for no reason.Raging Wishbone wrote: @ZMD - Pull your head out of your ass beacuse if you end up in endgame, playing Survivor you are gonna loose TOWN this game! You are not reading enough, you are not paying attention, you act so scummy at times, and you have no idea when you are at l1 or l2... Genius we dont vote who we like or dont like out of this game, we vote for who is scum... You just want to play "Survivor" and I'm telling you right now, you will cost us this game.
