Lynch All Lurkers Mafia! GAME OVER

[DrippingGoofball]

*looks around nervously*

Nervous already? Overdefensive much?

DIE SCUM DIE

vote: Steph

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I predict that image and antihero will lurk.

Can we kill them in anticipation of their lurking?

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I anticipate scum wont lurk at all in this game.

They're gonna try!

Have you read the rulz? Reading the rulz is tech.

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Lukerscum gets nifty bonuses. They're gonna try, I'm telling you, with disposable scum team mates.

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You know who's really not lurking? Tajo.

We need a new word for "opposite of lurker."

But not spammer. Something more creative.

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Yep. Not getting that wholesome townie feeling out of zwet in this one so far.

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91 & 90 are very silly posts.

OMG

Really?

unvote, vote: Empking

[DrippingGoofball]

Unvote Vote Emp

For being against LAL.

Quotes please.

They're silly due to then treating post 90 like its a new idea rather than one agreed upon on the first page.

Backtracking much?

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Unvote Vote Emp

For being against LAL.

They're silly due to then treating post 90 like its a new idea rather than one agreed upon on the first page.

Why you felt the need to call these posts silly, I don't know. Xyl added that even if we find a scummy player, we should still lynch the lurker. By finding this silly, you are against LALu (to distinguish from LAL, Lynch All Liars).

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I'm ready to confirm the first townie of the game.

*applause*

Xtoxm!

*fireworks*

[DrippingGoofball]

Official Updated Lurker List

10. antihero
13. q21

If this players dont post in the following 53 hours, they will be lynched.

If these clowns manage to get a post in within 53 hours, I would recommend a zwet lynch. Yes that's right. I'd recommend a zwet lynch. I really want to test my read of his meta, and

this

game is

the

place.

[DrippingGoofball]

after we're done hanging zwet out to dry, one of you two suckers (get it? oh my god he's sucking you?) is gonna follow him to scum heaven.

Nah. First zwet. Then there's another player who is not living up to meta so far. I'd like to see more of that player, but I don't want him/her to be on alert of being watched quite yet.

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You seem to trust rolf too much. Why is that?

A lot of us that know zwet see a change in meta. Speaking for myself, it's not such much influence as it is reinforcement, that others see it too.

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Yes and I think Ive played with him enough to get a grasp of his town meta. I havent seen him as scum, though but how can I diferentiate townzwet than scumzwet with such degree of certainty so early?

Check Bleach Mafia in Mini Themes where he was SK.

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I need a sample of zwet play as scum, preferably one he doesnt provide. Anyone?

Check Bleach, a mini-theme. Ongoing, don't talk about it.

In the meanwhile, the players voting for zwet and using meta as a reason for the vote, what

exactly

is different from his town meta?

Read Bleach Mafia, and compare. I'm not sure I want him to know exactly how we catch him, haha. But I think he'll flip scum here. I can't be certain, but I sure would like to test my theory.

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I checked MeMe's first posts in the queue to check which games he's in... Bleach is the only one where he's dead and not-town.

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I'm going to lurk for 72 hours and see what happens... Consider it a "test", so to speak.

This falls under the category of "no test required."

[DrippingGoofball]

Troll still no thinks that zwetschenwasser's play this game be consistent with the scum play Troll has seen from him in the past.

Please Troll give examples of zwet scum play, DrippingGoofball wants see more examples!

DrippingGoofball

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dgb, why aren't you voting zwet?

I really thought I was.

BTW

I loooooooooooooooooove the Troll.

I'm going to compare the games Troll refers to with this one. Hold on.

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Well I can't find the usual array of cryptic pro-town signs I usually find. The tone here is a bit different from the game the Troll pointed to, but the Troll's examples were from games with very few players, and had not that many zwet posts.

unvote, vote: zwet

Can we have a claim?

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Gawd I love the troll. I think I may just get down on one knee and propose.

There's a whole bunch of people willing to hammer, of this I am certain.

And where is zwet?

"Paraphrasing your PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take a lifetime."

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I hate this point in games... nothing is going to happen until zwet returns and makes a claim, which could be a while.

The following people have not posted since zwet's last post:

BrianMcQueso
Empking
populartajo
wolfcrier

They need to be watched, there may be a scum in there trying to use the lag time while we wait for a zwet claim to reach 72 hours of lurking.

Brilliant. But then again, I've come to expect this from Satan.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's a PR that discourages communication.

On MafiaSSK? Oh, the irony.

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I like copter's analysis.

I think Zorblag's defense of zwet was reasonable and properly thought out and I wouldn't hold it against him.

Xtoxm's defense is more indirect, and pretty suspect.

Brian McQueso's defense is so huge, I find it hard to believe that a scumbuddy would spend that much energy, and waste that much of his own credibility defending zwetscum.

And about tajo... I have this hair raising in the back of my neck that, like zwet, he's not being his usual self.

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DGB, what is your opinion of SSK?

We have a lot of worthy lynch candidates.

I'd need to know if we have any goofy roles out there. If we have mostly regular roles, I'd be surprised if we had a post restriction. The whole thing is pretty sketchy.

How many lynches can we have per day?

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Hypothesis: You were trying to fake a PR, slipped up and/or got bored, and made up this "@MafiaSSK" thing to cover it.

WAIT - he faked the PR?

Oh well, in that case,

vote: MafiaSSK

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I don't see the PR (real or not) is a scumtell. Don't see much else on him.

This post gives me pause.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ MafiaSSK

Do you know why a scumbag would fake a PR?

To avoid saying anything that might get himself caught.

Himself or his buddies.

[DrippingGoofball]

There's no 'fing way that a townie would fake a hugely debilitating PR.

NO

WAY

DIE SCUM DIE

[DrippingGoofball]

Meh, it wouldn't surprise me.

It's all about the numbers.

95% chance MafiaSSK is scum
5% chance MafiaSSK is town that deserves to die

[DrippingGoofball]

Any volunteers to examine Q21's posts? Just to check if great minds think alike.

[DrippingGoofball]

Scam faking happy that scum buddy is dead.

<3

[DrippingGoofball]

If we don't get either a BMQ post or a MafiaSSK lynch in the next ~17 hours, we'll need to lynch BMQ.

Why BMQ over poptartajo or Q21? Or Xtomx?

If YOU were scum, Xyl, would you put your own credibility on the line defending zwet, or would you bus him so hard our heads would spin?

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If we don't get either a BMQ post or a MafiaSSK lynch in the next ~17 hours, we'll need to lynch BMQ.

Why BMQ over poptartajo or Q21? Or Xtomx?

If YOU were scum, Xyl, would you put your own credibility on the line defending zwet, or would you bus him so hard our heads would spin?

^^^^^

XYL

that question was for YOU!

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If YOU were scum, Xyl, would you put your own credibility on the line defending zwet, or would you bus him so hard our heads would spin?

I don't bus.

Would you defend zwet as hard as Brian McQueso did?

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB infected with WIFOM

You haven't seen anything yet. I'm just getting started.

vote populartajo

Feels better than a zwet lynch right now.

You don't bus. Uh-uh. Guess not!

I'd probably just ignore him. But I'm not Brian McQueso.

Did you ignore zwet?

Everyone run for your lives! WIFOM-avalanche!

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We have to lynch MafiaSSK.

I'm interrogating Xyl. I'm not as confident of his alignment as I should be.

As for BMQ - at the moment, I'd say, not scum.

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If we don't get either a BMQ post or a MafiaSSK lynch in the next ~17 hours, we'll need to lynch BMQ.

Xylthixlm and BMQ scumbuddies? Discuss. There are reasons why Xylthixlm may have ignored follow-up questions about this...

Xyl wants BMQ lynched failing a MafiaSSK lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

We have to lynch MafiaSSK.

No we don't. I think he's town.

ORLY.

That needs 'splainin'

[DrippingGoofball]

Stephoscope dies when MafiaSSK comes up scum

YES!

And Steph should die even faster if MafiasSSK flips town.

[DrippingGoofball]

DING DING DING DGB IS SCUM WEE OO WEE OO RAISE THE ALARM

Once again, you totally fail at reading me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sigh.
Bad play, I can prove Im town.

Hmmm. Since you've claimed that, I will vote to lynch you if you can't.

He wouldn't say that if he couldn't. Because we will lynch him in short order if he fails.

I think poptartajo is town.

Like zwet, he's very transparent.

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So you think all the people that defended zwet are scum?
Specially the one that was so blatantly against it before it became evident.
Fail.
You are once again blinded by your ego of finding scum day 1.

Incidentally, I agree with this.

It's discounting the notion that some scum might have been pretty happy to be rid of zwet, and were happy to bus him.

I too joined the wagon late. First off, I thought I was already voting zwet, but wasn't. Second, zwet always says crazy stuff. So that's not a scumtell with him. Third, he was lynched so quickly (this suggests at least a modicum of bus'ing) that even players like myself, who were long convinced that zwet was scum, looked late, but in fact by the speed of most wagon, were in fact pretty swift.

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Put me at L-1 and Ill claim.

No. Just claim.

We don't have time to run you up, then get back to the wagon we were on before, if your claim holds.

"Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim can take a lifetime."

Just do it.

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DGB, this is non negotiable. Once I come up town I want you to analyse my wagon.

They will nightkill me to make sure I don't.

[DrippingGoofball]

Or when you have to wait for lots of votes before you'll make it.

Unvote

Vote: populartajo

Go back to your QT, scum.

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DGB, this is non negotiable. Once I come up town I want you to analyse my wagon.

What would you like us to do if you come up scum? Should we throw a party?

Poptartajo is town. He's not listed in your PM. Go check.

[DrippingGoofball]

you mean like how you supported the zwet wagon early (but not at the earliest stages) strictly for meta testing purposes and never commented on his actual play? yeah that makes pretty good sense for bussing.

Commenting on his actual "play?"

This is ZWET, for chrissakes.

He's all meta, no play.

[DrippingGoofball]

Or when you have to wait for lots of votes before you'll make it.

Unvote

Vote: populartajo

Go back to your QT, scum.

lol

I caught you again didn't I.

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dude. i started a case on him BASED ON HIS PLAY. did you read

anything

i wrote yesterday??

I know you did. But you can only speak of zwet's "play" within quotation marks.

Look. That's how I read zwet. By meta. Content-wise, he's always scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am aggressive against you because you made a claim that I don't believe.

ORLY.

Why do you not believe this claim? Is it preposterous? Are you counterclaiming? Or just mindlessly bandwagoning to make sure that roflcopter doesn't fixate on YOU???

[DrippingGoofball]

No, I caught you. Why would scum be on a QT during daytime? Would you like to fill us in on what you know?

I know you're scum. Die.

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i disagree. and his play was not in quotation marks by any means.

You're right, I'm wrong, zwet was really really clever! That PLAY must have been planned for years. It was PLAY in capital letters.

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By "claim" I meant not his roleclaim itself, but his previous claim that he can prove he's town.

He did no such thing, he just said "I'm a Tracker".

There was no Night 0, you turkey.

He can only prove himself during the day if he's a dayvig, pretty much.

You're either obtuse or scum.

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dgb who are you voting right now?

I'm still on MafiaSSK, and I'm not voting poptartajo, PERIOD.

I can read the kid's mind.

He's not scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Do you know how certain I am that poptartajo is town?

LYNCH ME INSTEAD.

[DrippingGoofball]

First she didn't even want to lynch mafia SSK.

I didn't realize his "PR" was a fabrication.

Then she votes him and attacks steph and defends tajo.

Indeed I do.

Then she tells tajo to claim, which is something you don't do if you think the person is town.

When you have roflcopter waving at windmill with his sword, and riding his donkey the day1 scumlynch, he can mow down a whole town in short order.

[DrippingGoofball]

There's no reason to be that sure unless you're masons. You claimed tracker, so there's no reason.

I am that sure, yes.

[DrippingGoofball]

I plead with you all to unvote MafiaSSK

Yeah, MafiaSSK is so useful, we really can't spare him. Your tears do move me.

Hey everyone!

Stephoscope is scum, and MafiaSSK is town!

[DrippingGoofball]

So Stephoscope-Elvis-Rolf are heavily proposing my lynch. There is NO case against me. My defending of zwet is null and I have always done this in all my games.
I dont think Rolf is scum. Unlikely.
Still having a bad feeling about Elvis. Careful with her.
The scum HAS to be Stephoscope.
Im pretty sure in this-

Agreed. I can't imagine roflcopter being scum here. He can do some serious damage, though.

Stephoscope knows that MafiaSSK is town, despite the fact that MafiaSSK has left ZERO hint of being town anywhere. He's scum all the way. So scum, that the only players that might defend him, have to be scum looking for town cred.

[DrippingGoofball]

what i did in WIH2 was attack anyone who disagreed with my ideas of how to play. what i'm doing here is making cases against scum and lynching them.

Your cases here appear to be no better than those in WIH2, notwidthstanding zwet.

I also strongly disagree with your view that the scum is among "zwet supporters." I think it's far more likely that scum would have sought town cred by bus'ing zwet. Two birds with one stone, you lose a player that you fear might give away the whole team, AND you get to look like a genius scumhunter.

I'm not saying that scum would not weakly defend zwet. I'm saying that only looking at players that defended zwet, and ignoring possible bus'ers is very narrow minded.

I do surmise that scum is unlikely to go overboard defending zwet. Zwet is no Glork.

[DrippingGoofball]

Stephoscope knows that MafiaSSK is town, despite the fact that MafiaSSK has left ZERO hint of being town anywhere. He's scum all the way. So scum, that the only players that might defend him, have to be scum looking for town cred.

So you WEREN'T hinting about masons earlier?

noooooo... of course not!

Gah!

[DrippingGoofball]

Do you know how much I've been dying for him to post?

I wouldn't normally claim, but this should ensure we lynch the right person today. I'll be surprised if roflcopter isn't at least half right.

I'm really sorry your mason faked a post restriction for no reason whatsoever. If you're a day mason, how come you weren't successful with knocking some sense into him?

[DrippingGoofball]

and if you're looking for zwet bussers, you're just incriminating yourself

Yeah, well, I don't care whether it incriminates me or not, it's the truth.

Besides, you keep saying that I ignored the zwet lynch too much and defended him and whatnot, and now I bus'ed him?

Not only couldn't you read me if I posted in font size 120, but you're not making sense either.

[DrippingGoofball]

fishy fishy fish

Fish what? You already claimed.

If my daymasonpal would have been fakeclaiming a debilitating post restriction, I would have smacked him in the QT or via PM, and the shenanigans would have been nipped in the bud pretty quickly.

[DrippingGoofball]

^bussing

You're so annoying and stubborn, I want to get lynched only to humiliate you with my revealed alignment.

[DrippingGoofball]

blah blah blah

You realize that you've been stargin every game with me calling me scum, until I pull out a power role from my hat?

And that until I pull out said power role, you render all my scumhunting efforts totally ineffective?

Do you realize that your inhibiting of other players' scumhunting has devastating effects on games?

You have to give and take. Sometimes I too get a bee under my bonnet and want to see a player lynched. Sometimes I don't see other player's cases, but sometimes it turns out that other people are right, and I'm wrong. Even *I* shut up sometimes, take the back seat, observe and listen.

I can even scumhunt here. Every second post is you calling me scum.

Why don't you just give us a list, like you did in WIH2, and we'll blindly lynch whoever you want in whatever order you fancy?

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, what made you go from liking my analysis to joining the chorus of people saying that since i sucked in WIH2 i must always suck

I liked the fact that you DID an analysis, and that you extracted a lot of excellent posts.

But poptartajo is town, and you're ignoring bus'ing zwet, and I'm spending my whole time fending you off me and others, and I can't bloody hunt scum!

[DrippingGoofball]

guys WHY ARE YOU PURSUING POLICY LYNCHES INSTEAD OF ANALYZING THE ZWET WAGON, REACTIONS TO THE ZWET WAGON AND NONREACTIONS TO THE ZWET WAGON?

YOU HAVE TO

LET US

!!!!!!!!!!!

[DrippingGoofball]

now i'm being used as an excuse by both tajo and dgb for why they can't properly scum hunt.

this is new.

That's right. There is no time left from keeping YOU in check.

[DrippingGoofball]

so stop posting for thirty minutes, analyze the first half of the day and come back and report. the game will still be here.

Yeah.... but every sentence I write, you twist and turn and misrep and change your mind and spin in circles to reach your foregone conclusion that I'm scum in every goddamn game.

I don't have a convenient power role to pull out of my hat this time. I can't brush you off having the luxury of a proof to get you to back down later.

Yes, that's a vanilla hard claim.

You think you can lynch the scum by yourself without input from others?

Just lynch me.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB still voting SSK

He's not getting lynched. What difference does it make. Oh yes, you're just irritating me some more.

unvote

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB still voting SSK

she's probably too busy keeping me in check to write the word "unvote" and put bold tags on it

Lynch me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Does dgb usually quit as town? I don't think I've seen her do it as town. As scum, yeah (Invitational).

I've done it SEVERAL times as town. Check out Toaster Strudel games in NY.

Not that I care what the whole lot of you with broken scumdars are thinking.

[DrippingGoofball]

Good grief.

And the daymasons are like Dumb and Dumber.

[DrippingGoofball]

I did a re-read and these are my notes. I'm expecting a phone call to give someone a lift and I'll have to leave, so no time for links. I apologize for the sketchiness (and my earlier loss of patience), but I like to start with an overall read, and then a deeper read.

Zorblag is town. His assessment of zwet was very fair.

There is a small probability that copter bus'ed zwet. He needs to catch scum for his ego, even if it may be his budy. Reading his posts in isolation feels like, while the bunny is being the bunny, there is some evil lurking. Though as usual, zwet has given at least a dozen legitimate reasons to lynch him by page 3.

tajo is town.

Xtomx is likely town.

AH feels town. Very town as per post #192.

Xyl feels town. Later, his #252 is totally town.

BMW is town.

I see some subtle signs from ortolan. Post #177 in particular.

I love the troll.

Malyss' #209 is disturbingly noncommital.

image's #243 feels very townie.

1. Dripping Goofball TOWN
2. BrianMcQueso TOWN
5. image TOWN
6. roflcopter TOWN
8. MafiaSSK DAYMASON
10. antihero TOWN
11. Xtoxm TOWN
14. Stephoscope DAYMASON
15. populartajo TOWN
18. Zorblag TOWN

4. Xylthixlm POSSIBLY SCUM
7. Malyss POSSIBLY SCUM
9. Empking POSSIBLY SCUM
12. elvis_knits POSSIBLY SCUM
13. q21 POSSIBLY SCUM
16. wolfcrier POSSIBLY SCUM
17. ortolan POSSIBLY SCUM


SPECIAL NOTES:
Post 234 Xyl declines to hammer zwet in favor of poptartajo "Feels better than a zwet lynch right now."

Post 230 After zwet claims "cookies and cream" townie, Q21, in the next post, writes: 'Did you miss the point about the people who may have been trying to use the lag while we waited for a zwet claim to get a head start on lurking? Zwet has claimed now though. I think I believe him, but I'll hammer him in a day or so if no one else does. " It's nearly impossible to write #190 as scum. Nearly.

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Next up, I'll be examining the players labeled "POSSIBLY SCUM" one by one, with details and with links & quotes.

[DrippingGoofball]

He needs to catch scum for his ego

i need to catch scum so town wins. don't liken me to abr.

Sorry. A more appropriate word would have been "mafia self-esteem."

[DrippingGoofball]

Get ***ed..

Of everyone here, I probably understand the most where you're coming from. But I think you're town, and I've got your back. Stay strong.

[DrippingGoofball]

Why I don't think BMQ is scum:

THIS POST

No scum in his right mind would post a HARD defense of zwet, the way BMQ did. Ever. That would be insane.

There is no reason for BMQ to tie his wagon to zwet's falling star. He would lose all credibility, zwet is not really salvageable even with solid arguments, and as a scum buddy, he's probably quite unnerving, and best if eliminated early.

More to the point, a good and clever scum would bus zwet, and bus him hard. Or stay in the sidelines.

Banking on the resulting town cred, the bus driver could probably get players to mislynch a good half dozen townies before being stopped in his tracks.

roflcopter has done the complete opposite of what the wisdom of myself, who has been scum with unequal success in countless games, would dictate. Personally, rather than looking through players that defended zwet, I'd look for players that bus'ed, and players that didn't know how to handle the situation.

BMQ was the most direct zwet defender. That's why I really don't think he's scum.

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DGB, stop smoking the WIFOM. That stuff is unhealthy.

I'm sorry, but I don't give a rat's tutu about WIFOM.

Shouting "WIFOM" is a great way to shut people up, stiffle discussion, and ignore their ideas with the simple act of typing 5 letters.

You may think it's WIFOM. I believe what I'm saying.

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dgb, do you really think that bmq's zwet defense was so direct? it was all "this wagon is illegitimate" not "zwet is like totally town," and it ended with a "vote rofl for pushing this wagon"

its like, classic chainsaw defense

"Chainsaw defense" is a wikitell, which, like "WIFOM," is another "rule" that replaces judgment.

Or course,

part of his defense of zwet was to suspect zwet's attacker, you, in this instance.

Furthermore, if you look at his post, it's the same as saying that the wagon was illegitimate. He named everyone on it and dismissed their arguments.

That's the

last

thing I'd do as zwet's buddy.

[DrippingGoofball]

I get this itch on the back of my neck whenever someone makes a "too scummy to be scum" argument like the one DGB just made.

Oooo... reading comprehension issues?

It wasn't "too scummy to be scum" - it wasn't scummy at all.

Far more scummy is for a player to sit in neutral waiting for the zwet wagon to play itself out, or to bus, plain and simple.

I'd never stick my neck out to protect zwet if he were my buddy. Yeah, yeah, call it WIFOM all you want. There would be nothing for me to gain, and a great deal to lose. So I wouldn't do it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Not only do I think DGB is slightly (like 99% compared to 98%) more likely to be scum than populartajo, Xtomx et al...but on the off chance we should be listening to what she has to say, we might as well find out sooner rather than later.

Unvote

Vote: DrippingGoofball

Unfortunately for you, you're going to hear more, because I'm not finished with my player analysis. BMQ was just one player.

[DrippingGoofball]

I believe what I'm saying.

I'm sure that's true. It's still WIFOM, and a fallacy at that. He should defend his scumbuddy, but he expects you to think that so he obviously shouldn't defend his scumbuddy, but if he knows you know

that

then he should defend his scumbuddy because you'll think he's town for doing so ... and on and on, down the rabbit hole.

Nooooooooooo.... what YOU're saying is WIFOM. You're turning a prefectly valid and normal, experience-based argument, and you're dousing it with WIFOM and setting it on fire.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, do an analysis on Malyss.

She was next, it's in my Notepad file in another window.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am here. The thread got opened up while I was slaving away at work. Reading through the thread, I was going to address Elvis' post about the scum points, but I see that Troll has already tackled that.

I think that I'm going to build an Excel Spreadsheet to track activity. I am concerned about the possibility of losing track of people after their names have disappeared from Tajo's lurker list during our first day.

Weekends tend to be blurs of activity.

Still being new to the scene and not having played with pretty much anyone other than MafiaSSK, who was an IC in my last newbie game, I haven't much to offer on meta related observations.

I am rereading and taking a look at the Zwet wagon.

Malyss, doesn't Yos feed you MS gossip?

Not really. I don't have secondhand meta information through him.

I don't think Yos would put such a restrictive PR in a game like this, where lurking is heavily discouraged. Or a PR at all at that. And you're a person I can see faking a PR.

I don't know. Yos is a sadistic bastard.

Granted, I'm not entirely buying the supposed MafiaSSK post restriction.

I took "pains" to make it easy for everyone to examine Malyss' contribution at leisure. And so that there is no excuse for everyone to see it.

There are many types of scum profiles. This is the sort of scum flavor that Stephoscope was displaying in Prisoner's Dilemma, so he might recognize it.

The first post says nothing. It's very safe; she just states that she was going to say something, but someone else said it already. She doesn't bother to state whether she agrees or not. Maybe that's too committal.

The second, she pretends that she's going to be helpful in a neutral, non-scumhunting sort of way, tracking time stamps on Excel. But then she doesn't come through with that plan. Again, perfectly neutral. She expresses vague "pro-town" feelings that seem manufactured to me.

In the third post, she makes excuses of lack of metas. OK, let's buy it. Then she moves on with a promise of a re-read, and an examination of the zwet wagon. Like the Excel time stamp tracking, she doesn't come through this promise either.

In the fourth, her answer to elvis is neutral and void: "I have no information," to paraphrase.

In the fifth and last, also neutral and void: "I don't know; I'm not sure," to paraphrase again.

All in all, she fits to a tee the profile of the scumbuddy that wants to steer clear of the zwet mess.

She may not be the only one, she may not be the worse. More players waiting in line to lay on my couch. Next!

[DrippingGoofball]

wolfcrier is next. He's a bit like Malyss, so putting them side by side is going to make them easier to compare.

[DrippingGoofball]

AHHH sorry I just got home and last time I looked I think it was locked! Sorry for appearing lurkish...

VOTE: Zorblag

the picture creeps me out...

Yeah sorry been reading so I can catch up, I seriously doubt the Zwet train is "smart" on the towns spot. Maybe it's because I haven't played a game with him in it so I don't have his meta, but everyone jumping on the bandwagon for stupid reasons like he trapped you into thinking he would lurk is just dumb.

unvote

Ok sorry, quite a busy week! Ok well I feel kind of stupid with my whole, not jumping on the zwet bandwagon... I just skimmed through the posts to see the voting for MafiaSSK on account of claiming P.R. I will have to go back and look through these. Sorry again on not posting so frequently... I will post soon after I thouroughly reading the posts on the claim with my response.

Ok after re-reading the posts, I have determined that the post-restriction, as everyone has already said, really doesn't make any sense if he is town. However, not willing to jump on this wagon quite yet. Also the post by zwet claiming he wants to self-hammer, and Antiheroes encouragement made me a little uneasy, however Zwet believe Antihero was scum and Antihero wanted Zwet to die. Possible bussing so...
FoS:Antihero or MafiaSSK

Above is all of wolfcrier's contribution so far.

This is "lurking in plain sight" in "Lynch All Lurkers."

It's hard to decide if wolfcrier's passive lurking is worse than Malyss, who is actively ignoring and staying neutral, but I'm leaning that Malyss is way worse.

[DrippingGoofball]

ORTOLAN

Please explain my change in meta. I'm acting more serious than usual? Is that a bad thing? Are meta changes in general a bad thing? Antihero, so half of your "case" is confusion over my early silly posts, the first of which was NOT an excuse to lurk at all, and parroting of someone else's unfounded paranoia. tajo, why don't you actually read the 7P game if you're so anxious to find some scum meta on me. I was also scum in Red Horse mafia, if it matters.

I think this is the most serious/earnest I've ever seen zwet, and possibly his longest post also. Scared scum.

I can't say "definite scum" here, but it the sort of uncanny insight that a player would tend to get on his buddy.

Ortolan demands a claim from zwet, but he never votes zwet.

Ortolan was significantly, though subtly, more gung-ho about the MafiaSSK wagon: "I would be perfectly happy policy-lynching MafiaSSK in a game like this- you just know he's going to lurk and you're not going to know whether it's from a scum or just him-being-him agenda. The fact he's been blatantly scummy with a dodgy PR claim (and thus can't really be of any use anyway) is just the icing on the cake." There are a few posts like that one. He seems a lot more bloodthirsty, whereas he was more circumspect with zwet. You should read his posts in isolation to get a feel for this, don't take my word for it. And because it's a "feeling" I'd appreciate knowing if it's just me, or if others perceive something similar as well.

Under the heading "weird scumtells," ortolan doesn't have a bee in his bonnet calling me scum all the time. That's not something I've ever seen before, I'm not sure which column it fits in.

But as far as the zwet wagon goes, he was in it, sorta, one foot in the water, one foot on the shore. That leans scum so far.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sigh. Fucking Steth. Yeah, I'm DayMasons with him. We are indeed unconfirmed to each other. No, we have not really said much in the mason lounge.

Un

confirmed?

Isn't that the exact opposite of what Steph has been saying, or are there gas leaks in my house affecting my thinking?

[DrippingGoofball]

Q21

I change my mind. I don't think he should be in my "possibly scum" column, upon closer consideration.

He knows zwet's meta, and in his short defense, which was really half-defense and half-damnation, he was very fair, and very accurate in his description of zwet's play.

A lot of his posts are steering the town in positive and productive directions.

So yeah. Never mind. Q21 is off my radar.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am a Daymason, and

I know with 100% certainty that MafiaSSK is town-aligned

.

Xyl, did you miss this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[DrippingGoofball]

i strongly disagree with her analysis of ort, and she is incorrect in saying he never votes zwet. he was in fact the second player on the wagon

My analysis of ortolan is pretty middle of the road, what's to "strongly disagree with?"

Though upon double checking, I did miss his zwet vote, which was a the top of his post rather than the traditional bottom.

[DrippingGoofball]

EMPKING

Gah! unreadable. A necessary utility-lynch.

Is anyone able to get a read on Empking? Please come forward.

[DrippingGoofball]

One of Steph or MafiaSSK is lying about the mason role PM, or they're both lying about being masons. The question is, which one?

I tend to believe that they are masons. Don't ask why. On one hand, Steph has the masons 100% confirmed; on the other, MafiaSSK has them firmly unconfirmed.

The most plausible explanation is a scum mason. And I would bet the scum mason is MafiaSSK. Steph has an earnestness here that would be difficult to fake. And comparing Steph's behavior in the game with that of MafiaSSK makes the distinction more jarring.

[DrippingGoofball]

First, elvis was all over zwet. Out of the garage distancing much?

Then, she switched her attention to poptartajo, with reasons that are legitimate for early game.

But then, she can't hold it in anymore, and she switches to zwet with these words:

Okay, but I call "Not it" on who's dying next.

unvote; vote Zwet

Interestingly, should Malyss flip scum, elvis was the only player, I think, to ask Malyss a question directly.

Like Xyl attempted to later, elvis also shoots down arguments with the 5-letter cannon: "DGB infected with WIFOM." Oh yeah, WIFOM again...

Despite my WIFOM boils, sores, and buboes, she asks me if I find BMQ and Xyl scummy, which is the type of leading question meant to catch another player if not on the spot, but later. If she flips scum, I would bet that one of BMQ or Xyl is her buddy; her statement increases the probability.

But then, as I'm interrogating Xyl, she interrupts me with shouts of more WIFOM, and she writes: "Okay well if see something in XYl, keep interrogating. I don't mean to stop you..." Yeah. The "I don't mean to stop you" part bothers me a little.

Later on she pesters me for not unvoting MafiaSSK after the daymason claim.

Conclusion: may be scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Xylthixlm:

Now this is interesting.

Elvis voted zwet, switched to tajo, revoted zwet.

This is what Xyl said about zwet's wagon:

No hammer.

Yet.

And in his next post...

vote populartajo

Feels better than a zwet lynch right now.

Beyond that, this later contribution was solidly pro-town.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, i think you and i have different ideas about bussing and when scum will do it

you seem to think that if there is a vote on scum, there's about a 180% chance that his buddies will go FRAK BUDDY JUST GOT OWNED TIME TO BUS

i think that its a slow build, and in early stages of a wagon scum are much more likely to try to defuse the wagon or bring in an alternate wagon. then there is a tipping point, after which the lynch begins to look inevitable. when the lynch looks inevitable, this is usually a sign that the bussing has begun.

But this was a ZWET wagon. The rules change.

But by your own theories, elvis and Xyl should be atop your scumlist. Elvis quite a bit higher than Xyl.

[DrippingGoofball]

Roflcopter:

No re-read necessary. I cannot discount that he bus'ed zwet hard for town cred and to be rid of him.

[DrippingGoofball]

Here is my current scum list. In order of Scummiest >>> less scummy.

7. Malyss
12. elvis_knits
6. roflcopter
8. MafiaSSK - could very well be a scum mason.
16. wolfcrier
17. ortolan
4. Xylthixlm
9. Empking UNREADABLE, CANNOT BE PLACED IN THE TOWN COLUMN

Yes I know that there aren't 8 scum. Just higher probability of finding scum in that group.

On the basis of which, I am willing to cast a vote.

unvote, vote: Malyss.

[DrippingGoofball]

you'll notice that by my theory, elvis WAS at the top before i stopped and thought about everything zwet had done. i even voted her, briefly. but the way zwet tried to smear her with the "you know a lot about scum mechanics in this game hurdy dur" comment makes her extreeeeemely unlikely to be his partner.

I will not pretend that I can interpret that zwet-scum comment. Who knows? I'm filing it with the null-tells because I don't know which way it swings with regards to elvis.

[DrippingGoofball]

It strikes me that, given the choice between lynching Steph or MafiaSSK to see if we have a scum mason, it is better to lynch Steph. If she flips town, we can take her at her word that MafiaSSK is confirmed and was lying for some odd reason. If we lynch MafiaSSK first, though, and he flips town, that doesn't tell us if Stef is a scum-mason or not. Further, if MafiaSSK is a weird day cult recruiter as Troll fears, we can make him the first lynch tomorrow if Steph flips cult. But this could be just a case of poor wording and confusion as Xyl suggests.

What??? And keep MafiaSSK over Stephoscope, who not only is using his head, but not faking a debilitating PR?

[DrippingGoofball]

@ wolfcrier

Where does Malyss fit in all this?

And Empking?

[DrippingGoofball]

Alas my tally did not account Malyss in this because her posts... weren't very I guess substantial for lack of a better word. At reviewing her posts and lack there of, She would be close to SSK in a strong 3rd scummiest position. I will look back at Empking and post my response.

I like that kind of overview analysis when I replace, but as you can see, it's heavily biased in favor of lurkers.

And roflcopter hasn't said one tiny little scummy word. Congrats, rofl!

[DrippingGoofball]

I think Malyss is beyond "non-interactive." The non-content, the neutral yet forced pro-town stances swing all the way into the heart of scum territory. Especially in light of the sea of controversy we all (most of us) were in.

[DrippingGoofball]

I find it RIDICULOUS that you people are going after non-interactive Malyss when there has been so much scummy content today.

Have you read my case? I'm not voting her for vague notions of "non-interactivity."

Case on Malyss

[DrippingGoofball]

If you want her to contribute more so you get a better read, that I could understand, but being convinced she's scum... no. That doesn't make sense at all.

While I'd be pleased if she contributed more, the content that she volunteered is damning. It's very much in line with the way I'd expect some scum to negotiate the turbulent waters around the zwet-buddy day 1 lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

Malyss' longer posts, as Xyl pointed out, still contain nothing, and are meant to satisfy some players with lust to read more words from her.

roflcopter is searching for connections to the zwet lynch. He sees defending zwet as the only possible avenue of connection. While some defense of zwet by a buddy is not impossible, I believe it is improbable.

I maintain that Malyss' behavior throughout the zwet lynch, amounts to a "tight-lipped 'no comment.'" This is definitely something that I'd expect a scumbuddy to do. For that reason, I view it as a very strong connection.

I have been scum in multiple teams, and I've seen how scum behaves, over and over again.

(1) A buddy wouldn't put his own self in jeopardy to save zwet.

It's too dangerous. There is no payoff. Also, zwet was a goon, so there goes any rolebased reason to keep him around. With roflcopter rabidly pursuing zwet, and zwet getting little to no support from the town, there was very little room to defend him. If the mafia has power roles, you can bet that none of them defended zwet. Because some weak defense of zwet would be credible from a townie, it's possible there some defense did occur. A strong defense would be entirely out of the question. BMQ's was the strongest defense of zwet (though he may not have known how familiar the rest of us are with zwet's meta).

I'm not saying we shouldn't consider defense of zwet as scumtell; only that it's not the most probable course of action by scum.

(2) The only way to put a buddy like zwet to good use is to bus him.

If I were scum with zwet, I wouldn't trust him not to sell the whole team on page 1. I would be very very happy if circumstances let me bus him, especially if he was a disposable goon. I would look harder in the players that voted zwet for signs of bus'ing. The wagon was very rapid, so it's very difficult to distinguish bus'ers from townies that wanted zwet dead. I would place ortolan as a possible bus'er, but only to a small extent, and roflcopter, to an even smaller one.

I would suspect more scum on his wagon, than off his wagon.

(3) The safe way is to stay completely out of the spotlight.

I can easily see a buddy who is completely overwhelmed and frustrated with zwet's behavior, and how he was lynched, no-contest. Zwet is not easily defensible, and it might have been difficult for a hesitating scumbuddy to find a non-suspicious spot on the wagon. Malyss sounds like she does not want to get caught or draw attention in any way, shape or form, including drawing attraction as a non-content provider the way Empking does.

I'm not finding overwhelming contenders in categores (1) and (2), but Malyss does stand out very strongly in category (3).

[DrippingGoofball]

CHANCES ARE GOOD OF TWO SCUM IN THE LOT BELOW:

10 zwetschenwasser (roflcopter, ortolan, antihero, elvis_knits, MafiaSSK, Stephoscope, Empking, populartajo, DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm)

CHANCES ARE GOOD OF ONE SCUM IN THE LOT BELOW:

2 populartajo (Zorblag, Xylthixlm)
1 DrippingGoofball (image)
1 elvis_knits (q21)
1 roflcopter (BrianMcQueso)
1 Stephoscope (zwetschenwasser)
2 Unvote (Malyss, wolfcrier)

^^^^^
I hope you'll refer to the above after I'm dead, and other players die off and are revealed as townies.

[DrippingGoofball]

Active lurkers usually be a fine early target but in this case it no even be the scumminess of others that be why Troll wants to vote someone else. It be to get that information going into day two on how someone other than zwetschenwasser with more attention on them from an earlier stage in the game.

I do see your point. Except from my viewpoint, Malyss was acting the scummiest of all, she's not a mere active lurker.

My second contender in the for biggest scum is elvis, for the manner with which she hopped on and off the zwet/tajo wagons. I entreat everyone to see for themselves and make up their own minds about this. It's worth looking at elvis' posts in isolation.

Also, DrippingGoofball, does that last post really be as you intended?

Yes. potartajo knows the drill. As players die, and are confirmed town, you remove their name from the wagon, and the non-wagon. After a while, finding scum is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ potartajo

Would elvis defend zwet, or would she bus him? After you answer this question, why don't you look at her contribution again. And think outside the box. Some signs are subtle and aren't carved in the Wiki tablets.

[DrippingGoofball]

>>> If not elvis,

WHO bus'ed zwet and was glad he was off the team?

[DrippingGoofball]

[quote="Zorblag"The reason Troll asked be simply that it sure looks a lot like DrippingGoofball be implying that it be three more scum that we need to be worried about. The response here no dismisses that impression at all. Troll asked because Troll would expect to see some "at least" qualifiers go in there which no be there.[/quote]I'd expect 4 scum in a game this size.

[DrippingGoofball]

ortolan is attacking townies.

[DrippingGoofball]

I find it odd that DGB and tajo both have such an easy time reading each other and are assuring us that we can trust them about it.

It's not odd, itza beauuutifoowl ting.

[DrippingGoofball]

ortolan is attacking townies.

You know this how? You think the 8 or so points I raised against MafiaSSK/Stephoscope were all invalid? You think your case against me is still valid, despite the primary premise being incorrect? You don't find anything wierd/inconsistent about the comments tajo made about me in his post?

poptartajo is often inconsistent. He's an undisciplined thinker, but he tries very hard and he gets it.

It's very easy for scum (or town) to make excellent cases against MafiaSSK/Stephoscope. Are you seriously presenting this as a town tell? Did you do it specifically because you thought it would look town? Haha.

[DrippingGoofball]

not my point- you said I am attacking townies- the people I am largely attacking are MafiaSSK and Stephoscope- how do you know they are town?

I meant tajo.

[DrippingGoofball]

If DGB is scum and has fooled me again once I will post picture of myself with a tatoo in the arm of the avatar she made for me.
I am that sure.

LOL, your arm is safe.

[DrippingGoofball]

so you agree with me on Mafia/Steph or...?

Well I dunno.

Here, help me figure it out. You can double-check my calculations.

(1) The daymasons are NOT confirmed.
(2) Satan is more townie than MafiaSSK.
(3) Steph seems guileless, and misread the PM. MafiaSSK is

not

confirmed town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm voting dgb because [...] and generally her read of who she thinks is scum is opposite to me and makes no sense to me.

We both thought zwet was scum, correct?

Do you think Malyss is town?

What about MafiaSSK. I say scum. You say: __________.

[DrippingGoofball]

Do you think he would attack his scum buddy out of nowhere for supposedly knowing the game mechanics (when what I posted was wrong anyway)?

Yes. He very well might.

If he did that, his buddies might panic and bus him REAL HARD.

Since zwet has no documented foresight, there's no stopping him from pointing his finger at his buddy right out of the gate.

[DrippingGoofball]

MafiaSSK... he's a daymason, remember? You think he's a scum daymason? That seems like a far-fetched role to me. I think he's town.

He's not confirmed. He could be a scum mason. That's a distinct possibility and I'm not willing to dismiss it.

[DrippingGoofball]

And you think I faked a misunderstanding of the game mechanics that scum would obviously understand?

I'm not saying you did, but it's the sort of thing that scum may do, yes.

[DrippingGoofball]

You're holding onto the unlikely possibility of a scum mason for mafiassk to be scum.

It

is

a possibility. They are not confirmed. For you to suggest that I'm entertaining the possibility of a scum mason just to find MafiaSSK scum (like he's acted soooo townie all game?) is a force 5 twister.

You're holding onto the possibility that I faked a misunderstanding of the rules as some ploy I cooked up with zwet (of all people) to make myself look town, even though he tried to make me look scummy for it.

Yes, I have seen scum faking misunderstandings. Yes, I have seem scum bus right out of the garage. Therefore, I find myself unable to use that data to clear you as town.

Gee, I know how much I hate it when I'm scum and people find ways of confirming innocents.

I have found PLENTY of innocents. Perhaps more than anyone in the game. You're just not one of them, and neither is MafiaSSK.

[DrippingGoofball]

There are things with low probability and things with high probability. You seem to be going after all the things that have the lowest chance of being true.

I'm going after Malyss and you. That's high probability.

I'm reserving judgment over the low-probability situations.

Steph says mafiassk is town. Unless they're both scum or he misunderstood his role pm, they are both town. If they're both scum, likely they will get caught with night actions or something, or screw up in some other way. Basically, they're fucked if they're both scum. I'm not worried about it.

Interesting, how you dismiss a scum mason and town mason pairing.

And as far as your innocents go, you have provided no reasoning for why they are innocent. You're just buddying if you can't explain why you think certain people are innocent.

Aye, that is NOT true. I have shown all my calculations. That is NOT true at all.

[DrippingGoofball]

If there are 2 scum on that wagon, i'd say Elvis and Emp. I don't think there necessarily is, though. It happend pretty quick.

True; but then again, he would be bus'ed rather quickly, too.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, what category does my behavior with zwet fall into?

Bus.

[DrippingGoofball]

Who do I think is scum now? DGB and you are my tops. I also think xtoxm, maybe q21, maybe wolfcrier. It has not changed much.

Thank you for the town list, haha.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, what category does my behavior with zwet fall into?

Bus.

You want another long windbag answer to that one?

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, what category does my behavior with zwet fall into?

Bus.

Then why did I vote tajo in the middle of the zwet wagon? What a sucky bus.

Yep. A sucky bus.

You start with bus'ing zwet, then maybe you figured your distancing was done, then moved to a townie, and when it looked like zwet was getting lynched, you went back on the wagon to make sure your name was on it.

Look - you keep pointing me out to your own actions to prove that you're town. However, none of what you want me to examine proves that you're town at all. More the opposite, but then I reckon I'm paranoid about bus'ing because I've seen so much of it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Who do I think is scum now? DGB and you are my tops. I also think xtoxm, maybe q21, maybe wolfcrier. It has not changed much.

Thank you for the town list, haha.

If I was scum, the list would probably be a mix of town/scum, btw. WIFOM!

Only wolfcrier is mildly suspect in your list. I trust my own instincts more than other player's planted WIFOM.

[DrippingGoofball]

Who do I think is scum now? DGB and you are my tops. I also think xtoxm, maybe q21, maybe wolfcrier. It has not changed much.

Thank you for the town list, haha.

If I was scum, the list would probably be a mix of town/scum, btw. WIFOM!

You know, this reminds me of Medieval Mafia a lot.

ALL the scum was on the zwet wagon.

After Kmd was revealed as scum, I read back his posts, and he'd written: "I bet that wagon was scum-driven." Those were my thoughts exactly. He was planting WIFOM.

I can't put my finger on it. But something tells me that you've just planted some WIFOM to confuse us after you flip scum, and ALL the players on that list are town.

Can we lynch elvis now?

That one takes the cake.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, I'd like to dub Xyl's post 823 as the "unicorn defense" for use in MafiaScum culture.

Run and add it to the Wiki!

[DrippingGoofball]

Scum can lurk but it would definitely bring unnecessary attention. Regarding Malyss case, I can see both town and scum avoiding taking positions and making connections, hence the neutral position in my list.

Tajo - "avoiding taking positions and making connections" is not pro-town at all. It's a way for scum not to get caught.

[DrippingGoofball]

>>> If not elvis,

WHO bus'ed zwet and was glad he was off the team?

you, tajo and eventually xtoxm?

You could see it that way, but I know I'm town, and I'm pretty sure that tajo and Xtomx are town, too.

I'd expect 4 scum in a game this size.

even though it is essentially a double day game?

I hadn't thought of that. So to go back to my wagon analysis, I maintain my position that there was more scum on the wagon than off the wagon.

elvis is NOT FRIKKIN SCUM dudes.

Yeah, well, you think I'm scum in every game and I'm intimately aware of the inaccuracy of your scumdar, so if I think elvis is town or scum, it's not you that's going to convince me otherwise.

if tajo and dgb can play super cuddly we always know each other to be town, then listen to me when i'm telling you that elvis is town because of what zwet did.

I can read, you, too; and zwet.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, where does the above quoted post fall in your spectrum of likely scum actions regarding a buddy being day one wagoned?

If zwet was a normal scumbuddy worth saving, I'd say scum. Zwet is only good for bus'ing. So I'd say ever so slightly town on this one.

[DrippingGoofball]

And if she gets pressured enough to start posting... What? She has to contribute, which risks saying something scummy, but that's where shed be anyways if she wasn't active lurking. There is ZERO penalty to scum unless the town is willing to lynch noninteractive players for being noninteractive. Ask anyone who's deliberately lurked through a game as scum - it's very effective because there is not enough of an anti-lurker meta. I'm disappointed that even in "lynch all lurkers" mafia the town will let a noninteractive player lurk in plain sight as long as they post every 72 hours.

She's being pressured, and what does she do? She active lurks harder and faster.

[DrippingGoofball]

Stfr Rofl. You're either scum or you really suck at reading me. Just stop talking to me.

Relax... he can't read me, either. I know how you feel, because he's usually as sure as he's wrong.

But I'm here, and others are here, that can read you better.

And I know I'm not going to get a lot of traction on this one, but mark my words. No player would be less surprised that roflcopter bus'ed zwet than me. I know he's looking like his town meta, but every time I re-read, it looks more and more like a "bus your buddy and trap the townies" scenario.

[DrippingGoofball]

She is the only 100% noninteractive player. No other player's alignment reveal would say anything about her alignment due to anything she's said.

You just described the PERFECT scum strategy.

[DrippingGoofball]

4 Malyss (Xtoxm, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, image)
[...]
6 Unvote (antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK, Malyss, populartajo, wolfcrier)

17 alive; 9 to lynch.

As of Monday, we have 4 people on the Malyss wagon. 5 more to lynch. Excluding Malyss herself who is, no big surprise NOT voting, we have 5 non-voters.

[DrippingGoofball]

I will add that, scum probably having participated in the day 1 zwet bus, they can't afford too much bus'ing in the near future. This may explain the slowness of Malyss' wagon.

If Malyss flips scum, it's going to look more than just a little worse for Zorblag, elvis and tajo, and players stalling the wagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, why do you suddenly think i suck so much at mafia

Simply put.

(1) You seem to be unable to read my alignment. Not that there's anything wrong with that - it's just that even

you

have to realize that I can't be scum in every game, which is the belief you are currently pursuing. And yet, you sound sooooo sure when you make those declarations.

(2) I've said it before. No one player has all the answers. I reckon that over time, I've grown to see scumtells that are unfamiliar to people, and not listed in the Wiki. I do have great confidence in my 'off-the-beaten-path' scumtells. However, there have also been many, many times where I've been completely fooled by players that other people thought were obvscum. So I do like a back and forth. Sometimes I push my own ideas, sometimes I take a backseat, listen to what other people have to say, go with the team and let them test their ideas. You should try it too. Not driving every lynch is actually a great way to catch scum. It enriches the variety of information available to find scum.

(3) Don't worry. Your scumdar is NOWHERE near as bad as Stephoscope's.

[DrippingGoofball]

The first is the personal attack that has no place in this game.

He started it.

Where?

Who cares where.

Xtomx is town. I'm only a little less certain about roflcopter.

[DrippingGoofball]

so, you're arguing that because i have been wrong in the past, or may possibly be wrong in other ongoing games, that i am therefore wrong in this game.

Since you're putting it that way, my argument is solid. Yes.

furthermore you are arguing that simply because i am posturing to be absolutely certain when i make declarations of who i believe is scum that i am wrong.

It doesn't make them more wrong, but more annoying, yes.

here you are arguing that because you sometimes take a backseat, i should stop trying to get the people i think are scum lynched.

No, I'd really like a chance to push my Malyss agenda. I'm a night target magnet, so if you don't mind, today could be my last day.

considering stephoscope and i seem to be on the same page as far as our reads are concerned, i'm pretty sure i'm EXACTLY as bad, or good, as stephoscope is right now.

Then your scumdar

is

pretty bad. I withdraw the compliment.

[DrippingGoofball]

don't try to stop xtoxm from answering a question that is clearly going to incriminate him please. i don't recall starting it, and he's using the personal attacks to try and make my arguments seem invalid.

A question that does nothing but reinforce an unproductive string of

ad hom

s between Xtomx and you? It's not incriminate anyone except Captain Stupid.

[DrippingGoofball]

and xtoxm, or dgb, or poptajo respond with
"no but you suck at mafia so you are wrong"

Speaking for myself only here, it's really, REALLY exhausting (and for others, quite frustrating) to set you straight all the time. Hence the shorthand "your scumdar is broken."

[DrippingGoofball]

you're a night target magnet, huh? you really think you're gonna draw a nightkill after having a serious wagon on you today?

What's that, two, three players? But you're right, a tracker will get hit before I do.

[DrippingGoofball]

you're a night target magnet, huh? you really think you're gonna draw a nightkill after having a serious wagon on you today?

What's that, two, three players? But you're right, a tracker will get hit before I do.

BTW - does that mean you think tajo is town?

[DrippingGoofball]

...q21's attempt to interact with xtoxm, which in the mainstream we call scumhunting.

All that q21 has asked is "who started the adhoms" - and that's not scumhunting.

[DrippingGoofball]

...q21's attempt to interact with xtoxm, which in the mainstream we call scumhunting.

All that q21 has asked is "who started the adhoms" - and that's not scumhunting.

if it proves that xtoxm was lying in saying that i started the ad homs, sure it is.

Who gives a rat's tutu? That still wouldn't mean he's scum. You really are grasping at straws here. Why are you so desperate?

[DrippingGoofball]

i seem

desperate

to you? it would mean that he had to literally make shit up to try to incriminate me, which is in fact damning. making shit up to attack someone with is not something town does.

He's fed up with you. Like I am. So I understand.

I am going to log off now.

[DrippingGoofball]

tajo is my DGB-oracle.

Hey tajo, is DGB scum?

He's not.

[DrippingGoofball]

tajo is my DGB-oracle.

Hey tajo, is DGB scum?

He's not.

Never mind, I thought you we asking

me

about tajo.

[DrippingGoofball]

No. Id be very very surprised if the goofball is scum.
I mean, what kind of scum posts this?

Do you know how certain I am that poptartajo is town?

LYNCH ME INSTEAD.

The girl knows how to read me and I know how to read her.

Uh, that's an appeal to emotion and you should know it. Try again.

But she doesnt win anything in this situation. Why would she do it?

Some people aren't clever enough to distinguish a coded vanilla hard claim from "appeal to emotion," haha. I'm sure they can find a lot of appeals to emotions outside of that one...

[DrippingGoofball]

oh thats right, dgb claimed vanilla. still think you're likely to draw a nightkill this game, dgb?

Sooner than you'd expect for a vanilla townie. I may be flattering myself. It feels good.

[DrippingGoofball]

I want the troll to convince me but the reasons he gives me don't hit the right notes on my violin.

I'm anxious to test my theory with Malyss, and Zorblag is anxious to test his theory with MafiaSSK.

Can we meet in some middle ground?

All in all I'd be glad to have the both of them lynched in short order.

[DrippingGoofball]

Tell you what, Troll. I'm looking at the vote count. I think it'll be very informative to see how the votes move, henceforth. I'll keep mine on Malyss for now. But I am willing to hammer MafiaSSK if it gets to that point.

[DrippingGoofball]

I will add that, scum probably having participated in the day 1 zwet bus, they can't afford too much bus'ing in the near future.

This may explain the slowness of Malyss' wagon.

I find it odd that if you believe me to be scum, that you would not mention that the slowness of the wagon could be due to scum not wanting to sacrifice another scum.

Uh? That's exactly what I said, see bolded part, that you quoted yourself.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't think I've ever seen roflcopter as scum. The posts he made on this page have made me especially uneasy.

@ roflcopter - can you direct me to a few games where you were scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

(2) Satan is more townie than MafiaSSK.

Is this a reference to his meta or what?

Merely to his play in this game.

[DrippingGoofball]

so, you think he is scum this game then....?

I can easily see him as a scum mason. At the same time, I do believe Steph is a likely town mason.

[DrippingGoofball]

And I read that wrong. Various terms are still getting worked into my head. When I read it my mind worked it out as the scum not being able to afford being seen rushing a lynch nor being caught championing the lynching of a town player. My apologies. I get to this game when I’m waking up and just as I’m getting ready to sleep.

Indeed, I do believe that lynching a second scum will be a slow, protracted affair. There is no way the scum will allow the lynch of a second buddy right now.

[DrippingGoofball]

Thanks. I have sig's turned off.

Game where roflcopter was SCUM

@ to all the players that "feel" that bunny is his usual "town-self" - does reading the above game change your opinion?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd be disappointed, because I absolutely think we need to determine whether or not roflcopter's pegged scumteam is correct. I don't see how anyone thinks DGB is town, but if she happens to flip town, we can go in another direction.

Conviently, I'll be dead and silenced.

I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town. Check "War In Heaven II" - his scumdar is far from stellar.

That said, I could see SSK being scum, but I'm not convinced of it. What he's done makes no sense to me, and he's made no effort to explain it to me. Would outing a town mason really be that important to be the motivation for his behavior?

That should tell you that something isn't quite right "up there" with your mason buddy.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB seemed to have such knowledge earlier, too...

Nice misrep. This being said, the presence of daytalking masons and a fast game means that I wouldn't be surprised if the scum were daytalking indeed.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think I might stick to newbie games after my current ones run out. I hate this "meta" stuff, and think it's a good way to 1) take the fun and creativity out of games and 2) lynch townies and let scum win

So far, the meta read has allowed us to lynch scum, not a townie. Meta is only useful for players like Empking/zwet/MafiaSSK - players that bring minimal depth to a game. They are difficult to judge, yet they must be judged, and meta reads are the last resort.

[DrippingGoofball]

I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town.

You'll note that the only way I advocate killing all players on that list is if they keep flipping scum when we kill them.

I can tell you right away that I'm not scum, and there are a lot of players on that list I am convinced are town.

How come you stopped with your detailed analyses? Spit them all out now, then if you flip town, we can trust them, use them and hopefully you can still win.

If you read back, I did a quick read, pegged some players as town and possibly scum. Then I looked deeper into those that I listed as possibly scum. I will not write detailed post analysis of players I think are town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Misrep? You called me scum and told me to go back to my QT. You'll note that this was before anyone knew anything about daymasons. Exactly what would scum be doing in a QT during the day?

If I'm misrepping, care to clarify? Or want to just ignore it again?

You are very noob.

All scum have QTs. Whether they daytalk or not, they have a QT.

So I said, "go back to your QT" as in, "go crawl back into your scum den."

[DrippingGoofball]

Yeah, roflcopter's town.

I'm not overwhelmed. I'm not sure I'm seeing anything conclusive, but he did write, after the game:

q i hope there's no hard feelings you played a good game, but i decided that my best strategy was just to be hardheaded and keep hammering away at the same point, and you bore the brunt of that

Reading him as scum has made me more shaky in my ability to read his alignment from meta. I do see a difference though. I tend to agree with you.

[DrippingGoofball]

Preview edit: On the other hand, I read that as DGB saying the scum can daytalk too, so her denial that that's what she meant is a bit worrying.

I don't give a rat's tutu what you think you understood. That's what I meant and I stand by it.

I'm also not obsessed with daytalking scum. I saw a group of players that I believed were scummy appearing to act in unison in strange ways in Medieval Mafia, and suspected daytalking. I was wrong.

[DrippingGoofball]

I can understand the Mallys votes but the DGB is still a better wagon.

No comment on MafiaSSK?

[DrippingGoofball]

Based on that game, roflcopter has what you might call an inverted scuminess profile. He plays scum like most people play town, but he doesn't play town like most people play town.

I agree, overall. After the game is over, we can exchange deeper notes.

I still ahve elvis and Malyss on my scum list.

[DrippingGoofball]

You're scum, elvis.

[DrippingGoofball]

ON AVERAGE, I'D EXPECT ONE SCUM HERE:
4 DrippingGoofball (Empking, Stephoscope,

elvis_knits

, roflcopter)

THIS FEELS LIKE A TOWNIE WAGON, BUT I'M BIASED:
4

Malyss

(Xtoxm, Xylthixlm, DrippingGoofball, image)

ON AVERAGE, I'D EXPECT ONE SCUM HERE:
3 MafiaSSK (Zorblag,

ortolan

, populartajo)
1 populartajo (q21)

ON AVERAGE, I'D EXPECT ONE SCUM HERE:
5 Unvote (antihero, BrianMcQueso,

MafiaSSK, Malyss, wolfcrier

)

[DrippingGoofball]

I have to go compile a list of the players that are supporting Malyss.

[DrippingGoofball]

I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town.

misrep. steph never said to kill them all no matter what.

I know that he said, parapharasing, "as long as copter's list leads to scum lynch after scum lynch" or some such unrealistic caveat. So I said, "I absolutely think that testing roflcopter's pegged scumteam by killing all players on his list would be a disaster for the town."

The only misrep is yours, bunny.

[DrippingGoofball]

here's my version of dgb's scum distribution list:

You know I'm going to bring that up again in end game just to humiliate you.

[DrippingGoofball]

And, while you insist the idea of all of you being scum is preposterous, it's amazing how all of you are dead-set against the idea of lynching ANY of you. Why not sacrifice one member of your proud hyposcum alliance to show we're all wrong about you?

Gawd. You are so noob.

Yeah. Lynch

me

. I've already claimed vanilla.

But I want to know ahead of time WHO WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR MY MISLYNCH WITH THEIR LIVES.

Give me names.

NOW.

[DrippingGoofball]

But I want to know ahead of time WHO WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR MY MISLYNCH WITH THEIR LIVES.

Give me names.

NOW.

Answer this, elvis. When I flip town, tell us who is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't see how you can KNOW he's 100% wrong. Even if you're town, you should atleast be open to the possibility that some of the others MAY be scum.

Because my read is diametrically opposed to his on these players.

[DrippingGoofball]

And DGB grabs a shovel and starts digging herself a hole...

It's a talent I've got. Watch how you play vanilla to the hilt.

Answer my question, Xyl.

After I flip town, tell us who is scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

xyl, does this remind you at all of the emotional ride dgb took the town on in invitational 10?

ANSWER THE QUESTION, SCUM.

[DrippingGoofball]

But I want to know ahead of time WHO WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR MY MISLYNCH WITH THEIR LIVES.

Give me names.

NOW.

Answer this, rabbit.

I'm vanilla, I'm braced for the lynch, but there's no way I'm going down without pulling the scum's pants down with me.

I am very dangerous vanilla. I'm killer vanilla. With swirls of curdled blood.

[DrippingGoofball]

WHO WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR MY MISLYNCH WITH THEIR LIVES???????

Come out of hiding cowards. Give me lists. Everyone.

Let me demonstrate to you kiddies how you play vanilla.

[DrippingGoofball]

I missed most of it because I replaced in, iirc. I don't have a good read on DGB in general; I only really caught her in invitational 10 because she tripped a policy-lynch claymore. But DGB's behavior this game is starting to look pretty scummy.

YOU FAILED TO ANSWER MY QUESTION AGAIN!

[DrippingGoofball]

Personally I won't base anything on you flipping town...

Nice sabotage of my efforts.

[DrippingGoofball]

Have faith. I'm on to something. I want to see people answer my question. It's important.

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb, if you flip town, i'll go right back to poptajo and xtoxm.

How convenient, how stubborn, and how "WIH2."

[DrippingGoofball]

how many freaking times do i have to reiterate that my read on zwet was NOT META, and since i am the one who started the wagon and pushed the wagon through to completion his lynch was NOT META BASED.

It was META for ME. And other people noticed something was off, re zwet's meta.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE FOR DRIPPINGGOOFBALL!!!

Look.

I'm not asking that question for nothing.

I'm asking that question so that you have valuable information tomorrow.

I'm going to flip town. I'm asking to list which players are the most likely SCUM on my wagon.

If no one answers the question, it's going to be a wasteful, uninformative lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

Well, that's all well and good, but you're not leading in the voting, hence my campaigning.

That's true. But this could change very quickly, because I'm not in self-survival mode. I'm going to San Francisco for a week on May 5, and I'll be V/LA. I'm sure I can manage a few posts here and there, and ask someone to log in for me and post something every 72 hours, but it'll be inconvenient and a bit of a drag.

And trust me. If you're going to lynch a vanilla townie today, it should be me. Because I'm very experienced, and really good at extracting information on the way down. You have to make sure that people (including yourself) answer my questions, though.

And I'll tell you this, too. Do not trust Xyl & copter's scumdars too much. There is one player here whose judgment I trust, for his ability to examine all sides and having a great grasp of subtleties. That's Zorblag. Don't necessarily follow his vote, but read his arguments with care (for he writes them with care), and make up your own mind.

So for now just play along and answer my question. Four players are voting for me now. Which one is most likely scum and why?

[DrippingGoofball]

Four players are voting for me now. Which one is most likely scum and why?

None of them. Empking is possible scum, but not likely scum. roflcopter, elvis_knits, and Stephoscope are all likely town.

Alright. You and Steph seem to think that the players on my wagon are town. I think the players on Malyss' wagon are town.

Where is the scum voting?

[DrippingGoofball]

Where is the scum voting?

5 Unvote (antihero, BrianMcQueso, MafiaSSK, Malyss, wolfcrier)

You think they have no taste for a good townie wagon?

In that list, we have Malyss. And MafiaSSK. {antihero, BMQ, wolfcrier} are in the vaguely town category.

[DrippingGoofball]

antihero is scum.

I'm intrigued. You have my attention.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't remember why I decided that, but it had something to do with interactions with zwet.

You'll be more convincing when your memory returns.

[DrippingGoofball]

In less than 12 hours from now, we can lynch antihero

.

I suggest that we do, and that people start moving their votes from improductive wagons. Also, non-voters should massively start voting antihero, in anticipation of zwift punishment.

[DrippingGoofball]

COUNTDOWN UPDATE

Less than 5 hours to antihero to appear.

[DrippingGoofball]

What a nice, dynamic and informative lynch.

I think Malyss has a higher chance of being scum than antihero.

[DrippingGoofball]

I want to self hammer.

Go ahead.

See? The guy is opportunistic scum.

Could be busing since this was a late zwet reaction when his lynch was inevitable. Could be wifoming against one of his heavy attackers.

That's an interesting tidbit. I'm not sure which way to interpret it.

[DrippingGoofball]

If Malyss flips town, we should lynch DGB, then Xtoxm, then populartajo, then BrianMcQueso, then Xyl until if and when one of them flips town.

Nice. My prob town list.

Although I do take credit for the DGB daytalk catch.

Yes. And soon you will learn a valuable lesson regarding the weakness of such flimsy semantic arguments, noob.