Saving Nasubi: Game over, Nasubi is Dead Long Live Nasubi

[elvis_knits]

vote llama

Alpacas are sexier.

[elvis_knits]

Vote: Zwet

People think we have the same meta...so one of us has to go

So why didn't you vote in your first post? If you're supposed to be like Zwet, you are being too tentative. You should be fake claiming if you're like Zwet.

unvote; vote millar

[elvis_knits]

ALERT: Millar is trying to tell us that one of his buddies is bussing him.

[elvis_knits]

Please answer my post #62.

I say let millar13 stick around. Is being goofy this early in the game really a scumtell?

I think millar needs to die ASAP. He wasn't acting wacky until I voted him/subsequent bandwagon. If he had been wacky from the get-go it would matter less to me. But he was too tentative.

[elvis_knits]

How can you adopt him? You're a baby yourself.

Blind leading the blind...

[elvis_knits]

Yeah, nice, camn. Vote for the other confirmed townie.

How/when were you confirmed?

unvote; vote stephoscope

[elvis_knits]

We hire professional dominatrix.

Done.

Next we kill Stephoscope and millar and whip Zwet until he admits he likes it.

[elvis_knits]

From what I know, I think there are other ways to save Nasubi other than just hoping scum don't guess right on a nightkill before we can lynch them all.

But just in case, nobody else should give their "Not Nasubi" people.

[elvis_knits]

If I picked a live player at random who might be Nasubi, I think I would have a 10% chance of picking Nasubi.

This is post 42. I don't see how it confirms you.

[elvis_knits]

How about see what happens today, if he improves let him live longer, if he doesn't improve, ask for a vigging or lynch tomorrow?

If he tells us who his buddies are, we can let him live for a day.

If not... the noose.

[elvis_knits]

unvote vote millar

DGB, we need new update for millar feelings.

[elvis_knits]

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info. With 3 scum they would know 5(if they were all the same 2)to 9(if they were all different). 9 is way to many to know day 1 are not nasubi therefore I conclude that they DID NOT receive the additional notification of 2 non nasubi members.

You seem pretty sure about what the scum got in their role PM.

vote Sajin

[elvis_knits]

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info. With 3 scum they would know 5(if they were all the same 2)to 9(if they were all different). 9 is way to many to know day 1 are not nasubi therefore I conclude that they DID NOT receive the additional notification of 2 non nasubi members.

You seem pretty sure about what the scum got in their role PM.

vote Sajin

This is what the camn-sajin exchange reads to me:

Camn made some assumptions about the scum. Sajin knew she was wrong, since he's scum. Sajin is alluding to his extra info in an effort to make it look like camn is scum.

[elvis_knits]

Where?

[elvis_knits]

Camn made some assumptions about the scum. Sajin

knew she was wrong, since he's scum

thought she assumed with too much certainty. [semantic arguments].

Sajin is assuming with certainty too (MORE, IMO). Which is something that I would not expect him to do if he was town, given that he objects to camn doing the same thing.

[elvis_knits]

Quotes or it didn't happen.

I didn't see that at all.

[elvis_knits]

Boo I didn't unvote

unvote; vote sajin

[elvis_knits]

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info. With 3 scum they would know 5(if they were all the same 2)to 9(if they were all different). 9 is way to many to know day 1 are not nasubi therefore I conclude that they DID NOT receive the additional notification of 2 non nasubi members.

You seem pretty sure about what the scum got in their role PM.

vote Sajin

because the game would be unbalanced if this assumption was untrue?

I don't follow your numbers stuff... but I don't see how you can be so sure if you're only trying to outguess the mod.

[elvis_knits]

Elvis, the reason you are voting sujin is...

He sounds like he got the scum role PM.

Also, thoughts of millar.

He needs to die too.

[elvis_knits]

Elvis, the reason you are voting sujin is...

He sounds like he got the scum role PM.

Explain.

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info.

Also, thoughts of millar.

He needs to die too.

Who needs to die first? Millar or Sujin?

I could go either way. Sajin is more pressing matter since millar could be a village idiot.

[elvis_knits]

No it's not. Anybody who seems like they know more than they should is probably scum.

[elvis_knits]

totally. Scum all know 2 people who aren't Nasubi, too.

How do you interpret this comment,

farside

elvis?

I thought she was saying 3-man scum team, which is the same way sajin interpreted it. But I didn't think it was a scum tell on her part since this game size is similar to a mini, which usually have three.

[elvis_knits]

I think you pretty much suggested a 3-man scum team, camn. "The no more no les" point is useless semantics. I don't fault sajin for saying that you suggested a 3-man scum team. You did. But the more he talked about his own assumptions, it sounds like he knows something.

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info.

Who knows what the scum know? Is it normal for town to get certain people confirmed? No... so why assume the scum pm is one way or another?

[elvis_knits]

I think you pretty much suggested a 3-man scum team, camn. "The no more no les" point is useless semantics. I don't fault sajin for saying that you suggested a 3-man scum team. You did. But the more he talked about his own assumptions, it sounds like he knows something.

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info.

Who knows what the scum know? Is it normal for town to get certain people confirmed? No... so why assume the scum pm is one way or another?

can you post me something that indicated I knew more than anyone else? The only thing I think I have referenced is that scum don't have the 2 non nasubi names. This statement is my assumption from a game balance point of view. Yes, its a bit metagamy but not illogical.

No, that's the thing. That's an assumption I don't understand. With camn, I understand assuming 3 scum because of game size. I don't understand your assumption unless you got the scum role pm.

[elvis_knits]

totally. Scum all know 2 people who aren't Nasubi, too.

You state there are 3 scum in the quote above me under my assumption.

For clear statement my assumption is this in if, then therefore clauses for clearness:

IF scum were told of their partners and 2 people each who were not nasubi

THEN they could know up to 9 people who are not nasubi

This would be unbalanced for gameplay, knowing 9 of 14 non nasubi n0

Therefore: The IF statement is most likely not true.







SO assuming the IF statement is false, your statement of knowing for fact that the scum know 2 non nasubi people could only possibly include scum partners. Therefore you claimed 3 no more no less. This is a logical conclusion from your possible misstatement earlier.

Your second statement that you wanted me to show I never said you claimed, nor did I claim. In fact, I am assuming its not true.

Its you who misrepresented me.

well then elvis I must point you to the above quote. I conclude the original IF statement was false and the converse of it true.

I fail at logic. But I don't know why it has to be the scenario you presented. Maybe scum were told 2 not-nasubi people total, instead of each (why are you saying EACH?). So then they have 2 not-nasubi, plus their team. Would that be balanced? I don't know. And I don't know why you chose the scenario you chose as most likely unless you know something.

[elvis_knits]

what if i had said " scum can name ONE non-nasubi, too"...
Would you assume I was stating 2 scum, no more, no less?

Well with that I would of flat out called you out on being scum here. Because this statement implies obvious extra information.


Believe it or not I think your town (after our banter), but I was calling out your scum tell here. Would you have me ignore the scum tell?

So now you don't think it's a tell either?? OMG

[elvis_knits]

Elvis: What is the point of 275?

Frustration.

[elvis_knits]

I don't understand why zwet said camn said sajin was a PR.

[elvis_knits]

I think you pretty much suggested a 3-man scum team, camn. "The no more no les" point is useless semantics. I don't fault sajin for saying that you suggested a 3-man scum team. You did. But the more he talked about his own assumptions, it sounds like he knows something.

I am working under the assumption that all they received was their scum partners for info.

Who knows what the scum know? Is it normal for town to get certain people confirmed? No... so why assume the scum pm is one way or another?

can you post me something that indicated I knew more than anyone else? The only thing I think I have referenced is that scum don't have the 2 non nasubi names. This statement is my assumption from a game balance point of view. Yes, its a bit metagamy but not illogical.

No, that's the thing. That's an assumption I don't understand. With camn, I understand assuming 3 scum because of game size. I don't understand your assumption unless you got the scum role pm.

Unvote Vote : Elvis.

Did my logic fail?

[elvis_knits]

Zwet: camn never said sajin is a PR. You made that up.

Do you think millar really meant to hammer and then lied about it?

[elvis_knits]

elvis, I did not make it up.

I can't find it.

Camn denies it.

You can't produce a quote.

[elvis_knits]

Are you sure you didn't make it up?

[elvis_knits]

Then quote the "secretive wording."

[elvis_knits]

OK, Steph. I'll hold you to that, though.

UNVOTE

Steph and I are confirmed to each other, Zwet. The "how" of it is of little importance.

How does that make Sajin a power role?

[elvis_knits]

I don't get it.

[elvis_knits]

unvote; vote zwet

[elvis_knits]

DGB, zwet insists camn said sajin is a power role. Camn never said that. Does this fit with his meta??

[elvis_knits]

So, as town, you expect him to lie?

[elvis_knits]

Can we have a snack instead? Eggplant anyone?

[elvis_knits]

So, as town, you expect him to lie?

Especially as town.

I can understand certain crazy shenanigans, but making stuff up about people having PR's...?

[elvis_knits]

Can we have a snack instead? Eggplant anyone?

Girl, I want to know the exact reason why if you thought millar and Sajin were equally scummy in your book, why are you going after zwet ?
First of all, do you still think Sajin is scum?

I thought the millar fake-hammer was pro-town in a retard sort of way. If he was scum he could have really hammered and gotten a lynch.

I'm going after zwet because he lied.

Sajin sounded like he knew too much. So I'm still suspicious. But there might be other reasons for him knowing things.

[elvis_knits]

Voting Sajin later doesn't make sense from any standpoint, really. But I have seen people pull the fake hammer trap a few times before.

[elvis_knits]

In Womafia mini, Incog did a fake hammer on one of the last days. I remember becasue I modded it.

[elvis_knits]

... I think I am.

Incog was town. I think millar looks townish for pulling fake hammer.

Although, later voting Sajin does sort of mess with the theory, as Claus pointed out. I can't think of one good reason either way for him to do that actually. If he faked the hammer, it would imply he doesn't want sajin dead, so why vote him? If he messed up the hammer, then tried to cover by saying he faked it, why vote later?

[elvis_knits]

If people don't believe it was a hammer bluff, then you can all vote for me and I will hammer myself.

Will it be a fake hammer?

Also, why did you vote sajin later after the fake hammer? Do you think he's scum? If so, why fake the hammer?

[elvis_knits]

I really meant to say that I thought he faked the hammer to save someone he thought was town.

If he faked the hammer to save someone he thought was scum, I would assume that he's scum.

[elvis_knits]

Vote: Sajin

I thought you said he was a power role.

vote zwet

[elvis_knits]

Camn answers questions at least which is far more than can be said of others in this thread. I am still waiting for answers from 3 people at least. And yes Seraphim, that includes yours.

What three people are you waiting on?

[elvis_knits]

No reason to vote zwet.

How else will we lynch him?

This is one instance where we have to let him live. He'll do fine. Remember! He may be useful to Nasubi. That's reason enough.

A lot of players MAY be useful to Nasubi. That's no reason to let him live.

In fact it's the opposite. Since you're saying he's not Nasubi, it makes him a moar better lynch.

[elvis_knits]

In fact it's the opposite. Since you're saying he's not Nasubi, it makes him a moar better lynch.

You want Nasubi to STARVE to death ????

No.

[elvis_knits]

Camn, I don't see how it's possible for dgb to know that if we lynch zwet, Nasubi will automatically starve.

[elvis_knits]

If she knows something, why would she soft claim like that when guy only has 2 votes on him?

[elvis_knits]

If she knows something, why would she soft claim like that when guy only has 2 votes on him?

[elvis_knits]

I reread zwet.

unvote

[elvis_knits]

Because I didn't see what you saw about zwet?

[elvis_knits]

I am of use to Nasubi.

[elvis_knits]

No.

[elvis_knits]

No.

Got it.

Can we kill Claus then?

As far as I know, it wouldn't be a bad idea.

[elvis_knits]

Okay.

vote claus

[elvis_knits]

The whole question here is what do we think a townie should know or be able to figure out, based on what we know?

Claus seems to know nothing.

[elvis_knits]

Elvis, do you think that, at this stage of the game, trying to figure the setup is more important than scumhunting?

I'm usually not big on guessing the setup, and think it can be a distraction. But in this case, I think one can help the other.

How do you think we save Nasubi?

[elvis_knits]

I agree with dgb.

I know what she means: person we lynch today must be from the list of 5.

[elvis_knits]

I do think my list is the same as hers because I know her criteria, and I also have 5 people. I do not think you know the criteria. It is not people who have softclaimed VT.

Seeing as some people are catching on to this, and some are not, it is likely the scum do not know what is going on at this point, and are not fakeclaiming.

[elvis_knits]

I am finding it hard to believe that Claus was so clueless earlier today if he's a Natto Distributor. Also, I notice he caught onto food distributors after Tenchi mentioned getting food to Nasubi. So it doesn't seem like he came up with it on his own.

Also, I don't understand this:

In the real world (tm), members of a mailing list eventually came close to finding Nasubi's apartment real address. When they did it, the production of the program took nasubi out of his apartment and moved him to another location.

Keep guessing. And how would this work in a mafia game?

You wake up in the morning, and the first thing you notice is: Nasubi's room looks different. Also, one of the oldest posters in your forum has stopped posting - your hero was among you the whole time and you never noticed!

- IOW, he gets removed from the game, and we move on.

So, you think that in a game called, SAVING NASUBI, that Nasubi can die and the game just moves on? That makes no sense to me.

[elvis_knits]

elvis_knits, you attacked Sajin quite hard yesterday. Why aren't you continuing these attacks? what changed your mind?

I was mostly concerned that he had extra info. Then I decided there might be other reasons for such.

[elvis_knits]

Where did I rolefish? I attacked him because I thought the things he said (of his own accord, while attacking Camn) sounded like scummy extra info.

[elvis_knits]

That's the same as rolefishing, and no, I wasn't. If you think I was, show me where I did it. Because right now all you're doing is trying to twist my words and trap me with semantics.

[elvis_knits]

When I say extra info, I am talking about how scum are the "informed minority." They usually know more than the town. I didn't think this needed explaining. I thought this was a common concept.

[elvis_knits]

He may be scum. I am not convinced otherwise. But he hasn't done anything that I can fault lately.

A question for you -- do you think Claus is scum?

[elvis_knits]

I'd rather

vote Sajin

[elvis_knits]

I don't know what the real Nasubi would do, but I think scum would claim Nasubi.

[elvis_knits]

Actually, Nasubi is the most provable role, right? If people send serpahim food tonight and flavor says he's still hungry, we know he's lying.

Quick vote sajin.

If Seraphim is not Nasubi, no need to counterclaim. We will know soon enough.

Unless Nasubi knows he's going to die tonight without food, then he has to counterclaim.

[elvis_knits]

WHy would Tenchi know who Nasubi is?

We have a dead role cop. What other role is there to know who Nasubi is?

[elvis_knits]

Sajin attacking confirmed town Steph makes me more sure of my vote.

[elvis_knits]

Outing Nasubi today was not enough for you???

confirm vote Sajin

[elvis_knits]

I suck at math. You'll have to spell it out for me.

[elvis_knits]

My internet was having a problem yesterday and I am giving a party tonight so I won't be in here in full force until Monday. If there is something important, let me know. It looks like scumsajin is forcing a mass claim.

[elvis_knits]

So far it's all been Natto distributors, so ice cream is weird. But it's provable.

Why are we doing this? So Sajin knows exactly who to kill?

[elvis_knits]

I posted this yesterday

My internet was having a problem yesterday and I am giving a party tonight so I won't be in here in full force until Monday. If there is something important, let me know. It looks like scumsajin is forcing a mass claim.

[elvis_knits]

I am the Denpa Shonen Private's Censor. Doctor. I put an eggplant over Nasubi's privates so that he can stay on television without offending people with his waving genitals. If I die, Nasubi will be taken off the air, and he will be open to nightkills.

So far my choices have been
Tajo
Llama
Tenchi

Now that I know who Nasubi is, he cannot be nightkilled while I'm alive (because I will target him with my eggplant).

This is why I didn't want to claim.

[elvis_knits]

Sajin's claim? That he's the Denpa Shonen Camera Guy? He didn't even say what his role does, so I don't know. I think he's scummy for pushing for massclaim.

[elvis_knits]

I agree.

vote Tenchi

[elvis_knits]

unvote, vote tenchi

[elvis_knits]

I think DGB had to have sent the dogfood.

I agree that camera guy is incompatible with dog food.

[elvis_knits]

It was dogfood. He opened the

bag

and took a bite. "It's not too bad," he said. But he was so full he couldn't eat anymore. So he saved the

bag

for another day.

But I'll mention that the mod made a real point of telling us the dogfood was in a bag...so it wasn't canned goods as DGB claimed to have. This may or may not be significant.

Dog food also comes in cans, so I could see that as a possible mix-up. Or possibly DGB just assumed her dog food comes in cans although shaft.ed didn't tell her specifically.

It's more believable to me than camera guy who sends dog food.

[elvis_knits]

Nasubi recieved a visit from Llamafluff and elvis night 2.

Well, now I'm sure you're scum. I didn't visit Nasubi before last night.

vote sajin

There is no reason for a doctor to exist in this setup. If nasubi was nightkillable night 1, this setup would be broken as we lose if nasubi is not saved. I assume nasubi is not nightkillable as long as he has food. If elvis' claim were true, where is the eggplant in the flavor scene?

Even if you're right about nasubi only being NKable when he doesn't have food, he had food up until last night from his own rice. So the setup would still not be broken.

I expected to die too, honestly. The only thing I can think of is that scum didn't know there were so many food abilities left, and they thought it would be faster to kill foodies?

Also, eggplant does figure prominently in the game. There is an eggplant visible in many of shafted's photos. Also, Nasubi MEANS eggplant.

You can see the eggplant in this one:


And this one:

[elvis_knits]

It's 4 to lynch, and I think there's 3 on Sajin.

[elvis_knits]

You are scum and you are scrambling now. I didn't agree the setup doesn't need a doc. I KNOW the setup has a doc. What are you talking about.

I am not rushing the lynch. I am voting you because my night actions do not agree with yours. Therefore I know you're scum.

As for having 3 foodies, I don't think that was confirmed until today.

And you're not being voted because your role has a lot of flavor

[elvis_knits]

Welcome back, DGB. Are you sending the dogfood?

How are we lucky enough to have everyone still alive?

As for Sajin...wow. I was more convinced he was scum than I've ever been about anyone before. Oh well, I hope he was right about his gambit being beneficial.

The only good thing Sajin did was tell me to protect farside, which created a WIFOM situation between me and mafia.

I protected Seraphim instead, hoping the mafia would go for the instant-win.

[elvis_knits]

I think DGB because she's gunning for me. The best way for scum to win now is lynch me so that nasubi is open for the nightkill.

The fact that she sends food is a problem. Although sending dogfood to guy is a bit twisted, so if scum had the ability to send food, this seems like a likely choice.

The only alternative I can think of is that we made a mistake when we confirmed camn or steph. Although it looked solid at the time.

[elvis_knits]

Yeah, I think you and camn are town too.

I think that's another reason that sucm went for the win last night... it's getting hard to find lynch candidates at this point with you two being confirmed.

[elvis_knits]

E_K...your original claim implies that you can only protect me.

If I die, Nasubi will be taken off the air, and he will be open to nightkills.

Yet you also claim that you can protect other players...

I protected Seraphim instead, hoping the mafia would go for the instant-win

Please explain.

I am like a regular doc... I can protect other players. Nasubi won't be taken off the air though unless I am dead. I guess because the role of privates censor is still around, Nasubi doesn't get raken off the air. Nasubi gets replaced with "Sasuke" when I die. I looked it up in my role PM.

[elvis_knits]

Why?

[elvis_knits]

So why would you be protecting Nasubi if you can protect other players and still keep him alive?

Bah.

Following on Sajin's suggestion that I should protect farside, and me blocking the kill last night, I decided to pretend that I could protect anyone. That way I thought I could maybe bluff the mafia into trying a Nasubi kill again. Or draw the nightkill to myself, which isn't bad at this point when we probably have few nights left.

But you are right. I can only protect Nasubi.

I understand that my gambit to confuse the mafia looks bad for me, so I understand if you have to kill me. I just hope it isn't lylo.

[elvis_knits]

The only person I can see as scum at this point is DGB.

[elvis_knits]

I don't see how my role is dependent on a camera man. The show is on tv. This is a fact. My role keeps Nasubi on TV because without me covering his privates, he would be indecent.

Yeah, a show needs a camera man to function. A show also needs a sound guy, and an editing guy, and a foley guy, and a titles guy, and on and on. I don't see what my role has to do with a camera man specifically. I thought Sajin's role sounded plausable, but seeing as he claimed me having actions I didn't do, I knew he was lying (atleast about his allignment).

If DGB flips town, you should lynch me next. I can't imagine her flipping town though.

[elvis_knits]

Note that the eggplant made an appearance in Day 2...before Nasubi's identity was known.

How does that have a bearing on anything?

[elvis_knits]

My role does make sense without Sajin. It does not depend on a camera man.

[elvis_knits]

I thought about self-hammering...

[elvis_knits]

Good job farside!

[elvis_knits]

I was hoping a replacement would come in and in my experience, replacements somewhat provide an illusion of a clean slate

Please don't do this in other games.

It sounds like it was not ONLY this, but a combination of this and not having enough time. Still, it's not great.

I was suspicious of this being a factor in him replacing when he did (timing was convenient). It was one of the reasons why I bussed and lynched him. It's a bit unfair to replace out like that, so I thought lynching him would level the playing field.

Not sure if sheft.ed mentioned it, but spring lullaby was going to be the replacement. I think shaft.ed said SL really wanted to play the game and was disappointed to be killed N0. Then she got killed again before replacing. Man, she had bad luck!

[elvis_knits]

Because you were a food giver and nobody thought you were scum?