Three once Kinetic is dead. The only reason scum want to heal him would be so that he can hurt me. You killed Walt because you didn't want him to heal me. Well now I'm going to take your puppet or partner Kinetic away from you. I'm gonna come after all of you scumbags and mess you up after he's dead.Xylthixlm wrote:Uh... me, DGB, Guiseppe, Kinetic... I count four bumbling idiots.
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Yeah and that's really clever, dgb healing kinetic, having her hurt transferred to him in the process, losing nothing.
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No they are not, because even though I get 1 less hurt from dgb, I get 1 more hurt from you, so they don't lose efficiency.Kinetic wrote:That makes no sense. The efficient scum way to deal with this would be to let you kill me and kill you anyway. They're wasting efficiency to heal me instead of killing you outright.
To be quite honest I've been pegging you as scum, then you do something town (shinnen), then you go back to being scummy, then townie, etc.
Right now you are pretty much anchored inside the scum game, so I'm going to kill you and discover what your alignment is (probably scum).Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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THATS HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU.Kinetic wrote:
He's scum or at BEST anti-town. He needs to be put down like the rabid dog he is.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yeah and that's really clever, dgb healing kinetic, having her hurt transferred to him in the process, losing nothing.
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Kin you make up horrible plans for the town on day 1, then you do something good like helping shinnen lynch, then you try to hurt players that are town or very townish. I have no choice to put you down before you fuck up the whole game for the town by going after the wrong people.
Remember 24 Mafia, how you fucked us all up? I was going after the scum, and you practically allied yourself with all of them, and in the end we lost.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I can't believe how some people have the guts to say that I'm "coasting" from the shinnen lynch, when there are lurkers who are coasting for doing nothing. Its complete hypocrisy and frankly speaking I see two of them ganging up on me and taking a couple townies on board. I'm such a threat to them.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Its a subject you don't want to talk about huh?Kinetic wrote:
Great change of subject scum.Albert B. Rampage wrote:I can't believe how some people have the guts to say that I'm "coasting" from the shinnen lynch, when there are lurkers who are coasting for doing nothing. Its complete hypocrisy and frankly speaking I see two of them ganging up on me and taking a couple townies on board. I'm such a threat to them.
You rather just proclaim me scum, like they did with Walt, without any evidence?
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First of all, get over yourself, please?
Second, you accuse me of coasting. You say I don't take an unpopular stand.
Well lynching you looks pretty unpopular, there's just a handful of people that suspect you (firestarter, me, rofl).
I also went after the lurkers, which I was accused of as "not sticking to anything".
Healing is not a good thing, I never said it was. What I said in my post was that Intent to Heal me, cancels Intent to hurt me.
Kinetic you just want to hurt me because I'm hurting you. Seriously, get over yourself. Grow up.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Here you go:q21 wrote:
I can see the first two, but please point to an example of the third. If it's there I missed it.roflcopter wrote:for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently
appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority
there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out
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The heavenly voice of reason.roflcopter wrote:um, yeah. i think the mafia may in fact be xyl, dgb, seraphim and nuwen. juls is an obv scapegoat, killing walt was FUCKING RIDICULOUS STUPID, and i really am wishing i went all in on hurting seraphim to death instead of kinetic.
unfortunately it seems like xyl and dgb have gotten themselves in the driver's seat all of the sudden by sheer weight of posts, but instead of driving us in any particular direction, they're just driving us over a cliff.
kinetic, i'm interested in your take on the xyl and dgb. take your time re-reading them or whatever you need to do. i can't hurt again until tomorrow night, but depending on your answer i am willing to switch to running a train on that axis of evil instead of finishing you off. your heavily emotional response to what i've been doing is still making me unhappy, but the shenanigans that have happened in the last couple of pages are really just out of control.
nuwen, before you go buck nutty and start trying to kill me, are you willing to submit to death if i flip town?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Okay....that's how I read it too. That's why I hurt you.Kinetic wrote:
You're reading that different from me. I'm reading that as "I'm going to heal as I see fit not based on what you tell me to do, scum"Albert B. Rampage wrote:Look, uh....kinetic.
He refused to cancel our respective actions.Xylthixlm wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to negate with you, scum.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Xylthixlm wrote:Intent to Heal: KineticNegated by meGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's pretty dumb. If he heals as he sees fit, then I hurt as I see fit. Whether or not he will actually heal you doesn't matter, because he doesn't want to negotiate.
Right now, the number of people that want you dead outweigh the number of people that want you alive. That's why you're going to die.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You always struck me as the pansy scholar, pen over sword effeminate type.Kinetic wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Probably Nuwen, I doubt there are 5 seraphs. I'll have to analyze her in-depth eventually. Its still possible its 3-1 spread. Pure speculation.Xylthixlm wrote:
Nuwen, roflcopter, or as-yet-unrevealed?Albert B. Rampage wrote:
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Your nebulous sexuality is the reason you bury your identity into video games and fiction.Kinetic wrote: And you always struck me as an extremely passive bullied little kid that is acting overaggressive online because you realize deep down that no one loves you.
See, I can play internet psychiatrist too. Back to the game Dr. Freud.
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Yeah....you're not such a bad guy after all Kinetic. You're proud, I can see that.Kinetic wrote:Ok, this needs to stop, I'm laughing now but this could get out of hand and I'd like this game not to get personal. Agreed?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Haha just look at you. Blushing crimson. Ahh so sweet. Sooo sweet.
I think I would've preferred her be scum, but this feels great. You slowly come to realize your own inefficiency. You come to realize that what I said was right; that you are a worse mafia player than me. Yes, this really does feel good.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You see dgb, that is the difference between you and I. The players who think I'm town are articulate, very intelligent people, who are busy with their lives.
The players who think that you are town, are zwet (14 years old), giuseppe (16 years old). Sure, you can gather a few children around you and be their leader. Hahaha
Oh don't worry, catching scum has never been more personal to me.Nuwen wrote:Do I even need to add a comment, or does posting these two quotes in conjunction to each other speak loudly enough?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Kinetic wrote:Are Rofl and ABR considered a "significant faction" all of a sudden? Plus, I'm not convinced that they are scum just yet.
What is this I sense? Is dgb losing the support of the intelligent players that were backing her hurts?Xylthixlm wrote:Right now all three of you look town.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's bullshit. Shinnen was agreeing with me all the way until I hurt her.DrippingGoofball wrote:It doesn't help ABR's case, because, as Xyl says, his skin and personal prestige is more important than his team, and the game as a whole. ABR'smodus operandiis very simple. Players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded. There's zero scum hunting in that. Just scum getting their way.
The ONLY thing that adds to my prestige is killing me some scum. Seeing how dumb you look does procure me a lot of enjoyment thoughGuard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I don't have an issue with it because I understand how an articulate, mature player with a real life can see me as town. I understand it perfectly.Kinetic wrote:However, I do have to ask you this: Why didn't you have more of an issue with it.
The way I see it, a townie would have a lot more issue with Julz behaivior than a scum would. But you really had no issue with it at all...
That seems a bit odd honestly ABR.
She could have been scum faking it, but if she's going to get killed anyway, what's the point for me to get on her case. I asked her to add to discussion and she didn't. What can I do?Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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dgb you don't have any insights. You're just trying to justify hating on me haha
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Why would I buss Shinnen when I put the first hurt on her and no one followed me? Especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning. She never contradicted me, not once.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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So have you, or did you forget when you proclaimed that I was town.DrippingGoofball wrote:
HAHAHA the answer is 'no,' he can't do it without contradicting himself, and he's not going to do it! He's been contradicting himself on every page.Giuseppe wrote:...without contradicting his prior statements
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This is wrong. I put myself in their shoes and try to see from their way of thinking. You just looked at what I said instead of the context.Tenchi wrote:
ERGH... I you're experienced in this game you should know better.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
I responded to an invalid attack.Tenchi wrote:I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.
If you see bad logic, you don't fight it with bad/worse logic.
dgb claims:
I only attack the people who attack me first.
I prove:
I attacked someone who didn't attack me first.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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I think dgb is just playing this game to kill me. All the main people she wanted dead were players that heavily supported me. And of course she tries to support anyone that goes against me. So I don't think she's trying to save xyl, she's just trying to save whoever that has a mind to go after me.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Xyl, you realize that 4 of the 7 players in your list are trying or have tried to kill me in the past (dgb kinetic wlc giusepe), and I've hurt or brought suspicion on 2 of the others(firestarter seraphim).Xylthixlm wrote:
... and I forgot DGB in the last group. She has a strange power over my mind.Xylthixlm wrote:Scum:
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Actually I got it right.Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Scratch that I got it wrong.Albert B. Rampage wrote:It should be noted that DGB's heal, even if it came before the rage, would not have taken effect as it was 5 minutes early.
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Makes sense because I made that mistake two once I verified it.DrippingGoofball wrote:Gah! My heal was off by a few minutes, but I thought I was over an hour into it. I used the time stamp from my first Juls hurt instead of the second.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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You wouldn't have wasted it regardless since it was too early.DrippingGoofball wrote:
That's good to know, at least, I didn't waste my action on a corpse.Xylthixlm wrote:It doesn't matter; DGB's heal was crossed out with "Target is dead", so Kinetic was dead there either way.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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That's wrong, they wouldn't want to waste a ragepoing regardless.Xylthixlm wrote:The fact that they tried to beat your recharge might mean that there are only 3 scum left.
I got to go now but when I'm back I will verify if zwet was watching at the time they used their rage to kill Kinetic.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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FUCK YOU TAJO.populartajo wrote:Fonz, rolf and Xyl
WHATS SO FUCKING WRONG WITH TREATING THIS GAME AS NORMAL GAME WITH VOTING INSTEAD OF HURTING?
We dont random hurt anyone that could be town and we dont start healing him when its too late and you realize, omg he could be town.
No-one is proposing random hurting. AT ALL. EVER. This is a gigantic strawman. I at least, am proposing to harm people you would normally wagon, once you have established there is some support for the wagon.
You want to know what the stupidly obvious problem with your plan is? Deadlines. Or the lack thereof. Normally, if people aren't around to hammer, then the deadline cuts off. So either you've got a reduced lynch, or at the very least a set time people have to vote by to get it.
Now, check out your plan. The problem is that hanging around one more day is only one more day. Which is an incentive against wagon consolidation. A deadlocked town could pretty much hang around forever, with everyone hoping the other side'll shift, and not them, and no firm deadline to force anyone's hand. The frog/saucepan problem. Your plan is a recipe for paralysis.
If we're only hurting when there is a consensus, why would we need a 'healing phase' at all?
Can we at least agree that this 'I heal you, you lynch me' is antitown and scum-favouring?
Also, for the last time, as with a normal game, IF SCUM WANT TO QUICKLYNCH/HURT, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FUCKING OBVIOUS! The problem is if everyone is whittled down to the point when scum can deploy a load of rage at once, and lots of people are in range. This can be mollified by a) reducing the amount of rage available by acting quickly and b) only hurting people who are the suspects of multiple people, as above.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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Very simple, Firestarter. The voting system will result in a deadlock with equal players on each side.
The benefits of the current plan are:
1) it stops us from being in complete anarchy
2) it is easily enforceable (no need to wait for vote counts, no need to wait for every player to weigh in)
3) any abuse in the system can be spotted and dealt with
4) it keeps the game moving without the fallen accumulating too much rage
Given the lurkers / people without strong opinions, it would be too hard to establish a majority of players agreeing, and it would take too long.
Also, discussing a change of plan at this point sidetracks us from catching scum and stalls the game, which is what we want to avoid at all cost as I just mentioned.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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What the fuck Weyouns. What the fuck. How can I ever trust you again.WeyounsLastClone wrote:
If ABR was an indisputed player, I wouldn't have hurt him. I don't know if this wagon on me will continue or not, but before it actually gets really moving, I want to have done something useful. There have been enough people commenting on ABR that I feel my hurt is justified.Xylthixlm wrote:
WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT FOR THISWeyounsLastClone wrote:Hurt: ABR.I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.
You attack a player thats +1 health out of the blue like that. Wow. You're scum.Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards.-
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