War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[populartajo]

ROLF, WHAT MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT GIUSEPPE/YOSARIAN AND FONZ?
AND A FALLEN AREL DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

[populartajo]

i am confident enough in q21 being town to follow his plan to the letter. nuwen joins the chorus of people trying to alter his plan. wonder why.

WHOCH IS STRANGE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER SUCK ANYONE-S BALLS.....

[populartajo]

kay, my plan is to massclaim since there is an obvious fallen arel in the scumgroup.
so masslciam nao?

I can only find negatives with this...

The biggest being that scum can assess what they ahve to do in order to win the game.

I cannot find any pro's, as any role can be either good or evil.

Drop it please.

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT IF WE ARE FOLLOWING Q21 PLAN?

[populartajo]

ROLF, WHAT MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT GIUSEPPE/YOSARIAN AND FONZ?
AND A FALLEN AREL DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

dude a fallen arel makes perfect sense but HE'S NOT GONNA CLAIM AREL SO YOUR MASSCLAIM IS TEH STUPID ANYWAY.

my change of mind was not that yos/giuseppe isn't scum. yos still has a very good chance of being scum. my change of mind was on fonz. read back and see where it happened, i was very transparent about it. and bugger off, for good measure.

I HAVENT TOLD SCUM MY TOTAL PLAN.
SO TRUST ME NOW AND YOS SHOULD START THE MASSCLAIM.
THEN FONZ, IF YOU LIKE.
ABOUT FONZ, NO, NO, TELL ME WHAT EXACTLY CHANGED YOUR MIND.
AND NOW YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND WITH DGB, ALL THE GAME SHE WAS SCUM AND NOW WHAT?
THIS HAS TO STOP NOW, SCUM.

[populartajo]

i am confident enough in q21 being town to follow his plan to the letter. nuwen joins the chorus of people trying to alter his plan. wonder why.

WHOCH IS STRANGE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER SUCK ANYONE-S BALLS.....

so, q, are you noticing the axis of evil forming in the people trying to convince the world your plan won't end with a town win?

I support q21 plan.
Get with the times, SCUM

[populartajo]

circumstances changed regarding dgb

circumstances changed regarding fonz

thats all you're getting. now drop it and stop hiding behind making demands of me.

what circumsntaces?
only the ones that are benefiting your team of scumbags
this guy should have been dead long ago, i should have trusted my gut

[populartajo]

I support q21 plan.
Get with the times, SCUM

WTF???

You been harping on about a plan you had, that involved informing scum who was who, and what roles they ahd, thus informing them of likely HP.

fire, at the end q21 only needs both seraphims alive, why is it important that we know who are who if at the end all of us are gong to die?

[populartajo]

so you're with the q21 plan, eh tajo? then why are you wasting your breath still trying to paint me as scum?

following a plan is not mutual exclusive of finding scum, ya know?

[populartajo]

tell me why we shouldnt massclaim, fire?

[populartajo]

rolf, i want your reasons in your following post.
you have changed your mind accordingly to your needs wiht NO REASON AT ALL.
WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT DGB?

[populartajo]

rolf, i want your reasons in your following post.
you have changed your mind accordingly to your needs wiht NO REASON AT ALL.
WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT DGB?

tajo, i would like your reason for continuing to hound me even though you claim to prescribe to the plan which leaves me alive to the endgame regardless of what you say or do, because doing so provides the town an autowin no matter what my alignment is.

ANSWER THE QUESTION SCUM.IF YOU CONTINUE DODGIN IT, THEN Q21 MAY AS WELL START HURTING YOU RIGHT NOW INSTEAD

[populartajo]

Rage Points???

Kay, you cant read between lines.
telling all my plan to scum will make it useless so i wont support masslciam anymore/

[populartajo]

rolf, i want your reasons in your following post.
you have changed your mind accordingly to your needs wiht NO REASON AT ALL.
WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT DGB?

No...

Enough stalling with these questions.

No matter how much I thought you were town Pop, your quickly gathering momentum of being scum.

Lets get on with the plan, your for it, or did I miss somehting, why all the irrelevant questions?

how does the plan start, fire?

[populartajo]

no, i want to know if the plan still works when all people left after hurtin each otherare scum.
DUMBASS.

[populartajo]

no, i want to know if the plan still works when all people left after hurtin each otherare scum.
DUMBASS.

this was to rolf

[populartajo]

Rage Points???

Kay, you cant read between lines.
telling all my plan to scum will make it useless so i wont support masslciam anymore/

I make no apologies for going with a transparent plan as opposed to one that requires everyone to massclaim first.

kay, i cant blame you.
fire, tell me, what happens in q21 plan if we leave all scum alive?

[populartajo]

tajo is asking irrelevant questions about anything he possibly can right now

shut up scum.
answer the questions before q21 realizes that you are dodging them.

[populartajo]

You think Q21 is scum?

no, when did i say that?
all im saying is what happens if we start hurting following q21 plan and we kill more townies and leave all the scum alive against q21 and nuwen?

[populartajo]

thgats why it is important that we hurt scum right now.
i agree with q21 plan but rolf isnt the only scum alive and now is trying deliberately to put you and me in the hot seat insted of hiot partner giuspee?yossarin
fire, you are being used by rolf, he thinks you are scum but support your way of reasoning, how is that possible?

[populartajo]

lets break this down here for a second

the only really reasonable way for this plan to not win the game for the town is if q21 is actually scum, yes?

the people who are on some level opposing the q21 plan:

tajo, who says he's on board, but is spending an awful lot of energy trying to grill me, and trying to get a massclaim going with some as yet unrevealed alternate plan in mind.

yos2, who is at least bringing up some logical points, but is nonetheless subtly opposing the resolution of this plan in any way he can

nuwen, who claims to still have doubts about q21's alignment. i'm pretty sure nuwen is charged up to use a hurt. she should have unloaded one on the fonz at this point, but is instead waffling around with "doubts" about the plan. she can't very well hit me or q21 right now without brining a world of hurt down on her head though, so she seems kind of cornered.

yeah. its looking very strongly like those three and fonzie are the scumteam.

I SUPPORT THE PLAN, IDIOT.
Im not going to support massclaim, anymore.
please be less scum
and snwer the questions.

[populartajo]

fire, you are being used by rolf, he thinks you are scum but support your way of reasoning, how is that possible?

Apparently, you also think Im scum... you agree with me being 2nd on the hit list. Pretty conclusive to me.

Revised kill order for my plan.
Yosarian2
Firestarter
The Fonz
populartajo
DGB

i agree with this list.

No, what I agree on this list is that Yos should be dead first.
I dont think you are scum

[populartajo]

and tajo, you're the one who's trying to finnagle the order to your whims.

maybe yos2 is just a fallen cherub and fonzie is the fallen arel? and you want him around for the damage race that ensues after we would have killed yos and firestarter?

so you are accusing yos to be scum?
you think fire is scum, nuwen is scum, i am scum, fonz is scum, yos is scum, dgb was scum but circumstances made you thought she was town.
who the fuck is town to you?

[populartajo]

fire, you are being used by rolf, he thinks you are scum but support your way of reasoning, how is that possible?

Apparently, you also think Im scum... you agree with me being 2nd on the hit list. Pretty conclusive to me.

Revised kill order for my plan.
Yosarian2
Firestarter
The Fonz
populartajo
DGB

i agree with this list.

No, what I agree on this list is that Yos should be dead first.
I dont think you are scum

wait wait. so you don't think firestarter is scum. you just said you don't think fonz is scum. you don't think nuwen is scum. and you don't think q21 is scum. who's left for you to think IS scum, aside from me?

YOSARIAN, DUH.

[populartajo]

May I ask one question...

Why is Populartajo 2nd last on this list of lynchees?

Cuz Im town?
Fire, whats happenind with you?
You think rolf is town?

[populartajo]

fire, you are being used by rolf, he thinks you are scum but support your way of reasoning, how is that possible?

Apparently, you also think Im scum... you agree with me being 2nd on the hit list. Pretty conclusive to me.

Revised kill order for my plan.
Yosarian2
Firestarter
The Fonz
populartajo
DGB

i agree with this list.

No, what I agree on this list is that Yos should be dead first.
I dont think you are scum

wait wait. so you don't think firestarter is scum. you just said you don't think fonz is scum. you don't think nuwen is scum. and you don't think q21 is scum. who's left for you to think IS scum, aside from me?

YOSARIAN, DUH.

so there's only two scum then? just yos and me? why yes, tajo, that seems wholly plausible [/sarcasm]

you are forgetting shinnen.
i strongly suspect scumteam has 4 people on it. of course im not going to tell the 4th scum who he is.

[populartajo]

and tajo, you're the one who's trying to finnagle the order to your whims.

maybe yos2 is just a fallen cherub and fonzie is the fallen arel? and you want him around for the damage race that ensues after we would have killed yos and firestarter?

so you are accusing yos to be scum?
you think fire is scum, nuwen is scum, i am scum, fonz is scum, yos is scum, dgb was scum but circumstances made you thought she was town.
who the fuck is town to you?

ok dipshit, i JUST said that fire now looks town, and dgb looks town.

in fact i'm pretty sure i JUST named my four suspects as you, fonz, yos and nuwen.

kay, so lets kill yos then.

[populartajo]

you are forgetting shinnen.
i strongly suspect scumteam has 4 people on it. of course im not going to tell the 4th scum who he is.

hahaha

what

?? that doesn't even begin to make sense. there is no reason not to be open with your suspicions.

yes there is. so shut up now and start hurting yos

[populartajo]

Q21's plan is to go down the player list from scummiest to towniest, and leave the Seraphs for last. Right?

yep, madame, plz help me here, i need your powers to prevent scum for reigning in the thread.

[populartajo]

and tajo, you're the one who's trying to finnagle the order to your whims.

maybe yos2 is just a fallen cherub and fonzie is the fallen arel? and you want him around for the damage race that ensues after we would have killed yos and firestarter?

so you are accusing yos to be scum?
you think fire is scum, nuwen is scum, i am scum, fonz is scum, yos is scum, dgb was scum but circumstances made you thought she was town.
who the fuck is town to you?

ok dipshit, i JUST said that fire now looks town, and dgb looks town.

in fact i'm pretty sure i JUST named my four suspects as you, fonz, yos and nuwen.

kay, so lets kill yos then.

um, no. i just pointed out a perfectly valid reason for not wanting to switch yos and fonz's spots based on your crazy outbursts. its not happening.

what valid reason?

[populartajo]

fire, if you are town, i cant believe you are being convinced by rolf.
look how he changes his mind as soon as he feels threatened. and for no reason at all/
THIS HAS TO STOP NOW.

[populartajo]

Im not going to be listening to peoples gut instincts anymore, that is the sole reason why we are where we are.

Exactly.

When we get emotional, we can't be methodical. And we desperately need to be methodical.

I laid out a case against Fonz, after which he seemed to have lost his footing and started to waffle and change his mind about things unexpectedly.

If he flips scum, we'll all examine his posts for clues, and decide on who goes next.

dgb, i strongly believe fonz is town.
i cant believe you are not seeing rolf/yos=hiuseppe relaton?

[populartajo]

i am now being methodical. i'm methodically owning tajo's arguments, and i will be methodically hurting fonz until he's dead.

no.
you thought fonz was town, now you think is scum
you thought fire was scum, now you think is town
you though dgb was scum, now you think is town.
WTF?
Am I the only one seeing this?

[populartajo]

itt tajo desperately buddies up to dgb

i think she is town, retarded scumbag

[populartajo]

Each lynch depends on the outcome of the previous one, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to let the scum know our plans 5 lynches ahead.

DGB is rightly at the end of the grouping.
This is town everyday.

yes, and you should be 4th on the list, not second

fire, dont let rolf convince you with this suckingballs techniques

[populartajo]

i am now being methodical. i'm methodically owning tajo's arguments, and i will be methodically hurting fonz until he's dead.

no.
you thought fonz was town, now you think is scum
you thought fire was scum, now you think is town
you though dgb was scum, now you think is town.
WTF?
Am I the only one seeing this?

i'm sure everyone else can see it, and in fact i bet if it mattered to them they'd take the time to go back and see where my opinion changed instead of demanding i regurgitate why for them over and over again. i ask again: can town never have a change of opinion?

yes you can but with reasons
you dont have reasons

[populartajo]

im going to my second surgery right now
wish me luck

[populartajo]

thx
scum are obviously trying to save their asses before the endgame scenario q21 suggest.
why?
rage.

see you tomorrow.

[populartajo]

thgats why it is important that we hurt scum right now.
i agree with q21 plan but rolf isnt the only scum alive and now is trying deliberately to put you and me in the hot seat insted of hiot partner giuspee?yossarin
fire, you are being used by rolf, he thought you were scum but suddenly thought you are town cuz you support supports your way of reasoning, how is that possible?
for q21 plan to work, we need to kill all scum before they have rage and finish him before the endgame scenario.

[populartajo]

bye

[populartajo]

q21, told ya you shouldnt have subestimated rage. sigh.
Kay, I found a problem with your plan.
So all say, "It only matters that both rolf and nuwen, along q21 can make it to endgame."
But

What happens if the players left after following your hurtlist are all scum? Will they start hurting each other or will they choose a better target, aka you?

.............
So, I propose something. Scum, who are prob near to majority right now are probably going to call this antitown and what not. I imagine rolf calling me scum even when he refuses to answer blatant scummy shit. Interesting to note that Yos thinks Im scum just because Im attacking his predecesor without readinf the thread. Dude, read the thread, you are better than that.

We are racing against scum. Scum want you dead before you use your zeal points in Nuwen or Rolf. This attack confirms that there is one scum in this group.

So, I propose that we hurt each other. Yes, hurt each other until q21 can use his zeal, helped by rolf and Nuwen, to finish all the players.

That way we prevent scum for controlling the thread and going after each target they choose, going to the shit scenario of all scum alive. I cant believe no one is seeing how rolf is saving yos and suggesting fonz when he thought yos was scum and fonz town.

So, all players to L-1. Rolf and nuwen can help with this.

We are not guaranteed to hit all scum before all town, with scum near to majority and throwing shit everywhere. Im town, and I have done my best to proove that Im helping but its hard when all scum go crazy against you. Townie players alive are obv not going to get a quick consensus to finish scum and CANT battle a group of organized scum leading the lynches until they run out of townies.

So, thats my plan. Feel free to bash it, scum, but I have the hope that at least one townie will see what scum are going after. Its pretty obvious.

[populartajo]

waits for rolf and yos, and the fourth scum, to go crazy about this.

[populartajo]

@poptartajo

All I know is that if we hurt each other, as you suggest, as soon as a TOWN player is within 6 points of being dead, the scum will strike with rage points. However, a SCUM player within 6 rage points of being dead will survive. So that part of your plan (I don't even understand the rest) is tantamount to letting the scum kill all the townies as they please.

it seems that they using rage to acelerate the process instead of using it on q21 could be a good thing.
also, you seem to misunderstand me. i never said ALL players to L-1
All players but Nuwen, Rolf and q21, that is q21 plan.
I also agree that dgb shouldnt be hurt.

What Im visionating is an scenario of scum leading the lynches, (close to majority right now against a disorganized town), facing you (last on the group to be killed) and nuwen/rolf and q21, obv winnin the hurt race.

hurt : fonz.

Too soon. Flay

[populartajo]

Oh, and Yos is right. All players to L-1 is an INCREDIBLY scummy plan.

when the fuck did i say all players?
learn to read

[populartajo]

So, all players to L-1. Rolf and nuwen can help with this.

What DGB said. All players to L -1 means scum win instantly, dosn't it? If the scum can do 6 rage points a week, or whever, then if we put everyone to lynch -1, the scum kill everyone who's not scum basically at once, don't they?

You're right that if we get to a point where the last person on the list is scum it would be bad; I already pointed that out, remember? However, q21 made a good point that DGB is probably town, and she's goign to be the last person left on the list.

Besides, "brining everyone to lynch -1" also isn't ideal because it means we're taking a long time random hurting everyoen and not actually killing anyone; your plan would give scum pleant of time to build up rage points and win the game, since we're not going to kill scum under your plan.

.

yeah but we will have them at l-1 so q21 or nuwen or rolf cant finush them when all the townies are dead, isnt this all what q21 plan was about? killing each other but rolf/nuwen/q2!?
also learn to read, did you go to the same school with fonz?

[populartajo]

I imagine rolf calling me scum even when he refuses to answer blatant scummy shit. Interesting to note that Yos thinks Im scum just because Im attacking his predecesor without readinf the thread. Dude, read the thread, you are better than that.

All I know is, I would expect the scum to want to whittle down a townie with full hitpoints like me, and I would expect scum to try to find out how many hitpoints everyone has. Also, you lied about being confirmed. Plus, you trying to shoot down q21's plan, and instead replace it with a plan that seems to guarentee a scum win, makes me even more convinced you are scum.

you are so full of shit, yos.
1. you are not a townie.
2. my plan was to get a fallen arel not to find out how many hitpoints everyone has
3. i never lied about confirmed. im the most protown player of this group. face it
4. i NEVER tried to shoot down q21 plan. Im improving it.

So, please DIE.

[populartajo]

Yos, you think rolf is town?

[populartajo]

Is it a possibility that there are scum Ophan? Sure. Do I think DGB is scum? No.

Where's the case against Xyl? I don't see it. Where's the proof in his behavior? I see plenty of evidence for Rofl scum, what with his vigilantism, and the like. The like, in this case, being 9 deaths almost entirely do to his own meddling. But I don't see Xyl as scum. I don't see it, I can't see it!

This is one lynch too many, one I feel is going to end in absolute disaster for the Town! Xyl is Town until proven Scum. And you haven't even shown me stuff to say he's scum!

The fact that not one of you can put forth more evidence than this is just proving that Xyl is town, and that everyone on his wagon is sadly delusional.

If you truly believe Xyl is scum, sit down and write me the argument. If you can. I don't think there is one.

wow, tajo, you were right, i shouldn't have called giuseppe out, now he's just playing dumb

this was when xyl was the "lynch" of the day. Giuseppe is playing dumb to hurt someone he knows he is town. Did you forget this, rolf?
fuck, how much scum do these guys have to be?

[populartajo]

@poptartajo

All I know is that if we hurt each other, as you suggest, as soon as a TOWN player is within 6 points of being dead, the scum will strike with rage points. However, a SCUM player within 6 rage points of being dead will survive. So that part of your plan (I don't even understand the rest) is tantamount to letting the scum kill all the townies as they please.

much faster than what they are doing here, speicially knowing that scum are so controlling the order of people dying, desesperately trying to frame me as scum?

[populartajo]

Tajo, for the kill list to fail, only the final person on the list would have to be scum. DGB is pretty much confirmed town. Even if the penultimate player on the list is scum, scum will be outnumbered by either 3:2 (one of Nuwen/Rofl, DGB, q21) or 4:1 (Rofl, Nuwen, DGB, Q21).

What you're suggesting is a way in which scum can

1. Get all players low.
2. Snipe off townies simultaneously using rage. Theoretically, they could kill 6 L-1 players at once. Even if Rofl, Nuwen, and Q21 aren't included in that pool, it places them in a position against 3-4 scum.

this makes sense but it assumes that scum are not going to kill dgb
what is preventing them for not killing them and throw this to shit.
they using rage on q21 instead of dgb its really really strange and it confims my fear that scum agree with this plan because they have something prepared for us.
if we put everyone on L-1, it would be easier for you and q21 to snipe everyone. it doesnt matter if scum snipes us, since they would also be at l-1 in case something goes wrong.

[populartajo]

... No, it actually assumes that DGB

will

die, just not prior to anyone else on the list. She needs to stay at 7 or 8 health until it's time to knock her off the laundry list.

Your plan also includes more room for "accidents" to occur. There's no point in using a system that provides scum with a hypothetical out that can neither be split as a town or scum action.

why does she need to die is we are assuming she prob is confirmed town?
anyways, my plan gives an out to town, in case scum have enough rage to kill q21 before. With all players but the choses ones at L-1, town will be likely to be killed fast but scum will be too.
wasnt this the idea of q21?

[populartajo]

hurt: fonz

[populartajo]

... No, it actually assumes that DGB

will

die, just not prior to anyone else on the list. She needs to stay at 7 or 8 health until it's time to knock her off the laundry list.

Your plan also includes more room for "accidents" to occur. There's no point in using a system that provides scum with a hypothetical out that can neither be split as a town or scum action.

why does she need to die is we are assuming she prob is confirmed town?
anyways, my plan gives an out to town, in case scum have enough rage to kill q21 before. With all players but the choses ones at L-1, town will be likely to be killed fast but scum will be too.
wasnt this the idea of q21?

Because an assumption is never as good as a confirmed flip. The alignments of everyone on the list really don't matter, excluding the fact that we'll be hitting all scum in the game, sans the Nuwen/Rofl dichotomy. The towniest players are getting killed last to prevent the situation you're fearing, Tajo. It's a safe way for the town to kill off multiple scum without ever risking a lose.

then i should be the last to die before dgb.
do you think my plan is scummy?

[populartajo]

do you think my plan is scummy?

Yes.

It presents the town with more ways to make incipient or careless mistakes - if anyone, for any reason, decides to put on a vigilante badge and go a'huntin', the town leaves itself open to be fucked over by both scum

and

a lone town player (which have been characteristic of this game).

I'm especially worried because you're trying to maneuver yourself into a kill position that

only scum would want to take from a town player

. If you're town, you should have no motivation to replace a more-confirmed town player at the end of the list.

DGB is confirmed via role-based information. Tajo is not. It's that simple.

no, i said that dgb should be the last to die. i should be the one dying before her, that means, the last to last to die, el penultimo, sabes español, creo?

[populartajo]

Im not going to bother with a defense when the retarded townies left are being guided by obv scum.
congrats, scumbags.
Theres only a reason why town lost this one. This is one of the most retarded towns Ive seen in a while. Seriously. Bad plays from everyone, me included.
And Im a Loyal Arel. I wanted to massclaim to find out the Fallen Arel that is left. Please let the other Arel claim first so you cant hurt that scumbag when I flip town.

[populartajo]

also you think that what is apparently good for the town is going to be supported by the 3-4 scumbags we have alive?
scum have majority right now and town CANT battle this one, since getting a consensus against an informed nad talking majority is IMPOSSIBLE.
you have no mind?
really, this town SO deserves to lose.

[populartajo]

right now im only hoping q21 is a sk or something and cant avoid town losing this so miserably.

heal : q21

Too soon. Flay

[populartajo]

@ Q21...

The 2 Seraphim are being kept for last, yes?

If so, whats your take on both of them being scum?

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@ Tajo

Your new and improved plan is more or less going to kill town off quicker, and scum will use less rage points in doing so.

The crux here is that you have NOT let your idea of everyone massclaiming drop.

You failed in that bid, for all to massclaim, now you want everyone at L-1.

Guess what....
For that to happen, each player would need to disclose how many HP they have, so they are not accidently killed off by others.

Also....
You may have been nearly/almost townie at one stage, but the amount of stalling on the game youve created amazes me.

Every time a plan was introduced, you kept on about your fake votecount plan.
Now that we have a plan that is based on Q21 being Town, you are trying to concoct a new plan... More stalling.

But in the meantime, you've gone along with hurting the Fonz throughout.

What am I missing???

For me, you should be much higher up the list because of what Ive stated above, and because of your behaviour over the last 10 pages or so.

You could be over anxious town, or scum trying to throw a fucking spanner in the works every chance you get.

YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT IM OBV TOWN, YOU DA.
LET THE OTHER AREL CLAIM, ITS THE ONLY THINK IM ASKING. YOU CANT HURT THAT SCUM WHEN I FLIP LOYAL AREL.

[populartajo]

After Pops continued arguments against the plan, and still actually going along with it by hurting the fonz, I thought Fonz was gonna flip town.

Ill continue with giving you heals Q21.

i told everyone that fonz was prob town, did anybody listen?
or not hurting him would have been stalling, too?
geez, scum are majority right now, of course they are going to do whatever the fuck they want and try to paint me as scum when I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT TRIED TO PROTECT FONZ.

[populartajo]

ALSO, IN EXTRA BIG FONT, LET THE OTHER AREL CLAIM SO THAT GUY DIES AFTER ME COMING UP LOYAL AREL.
THERE CANT BE THREE LOYAL ARELS.

[populartajo]

what i've been trying to explain to tajo for some time now is that there is no f-ing way a scum arel at this point will claim anything except cherub.

yeah?, so dont kill me, im a confirmed TOWN arel.

[populartajo]

Why the hell is Tajo trying so hard to remain alive? Town has an autowin

if DGB is not scum

. The only way for scum to currently win is to deviate for our miss-kill plan or somehow simultaneously kill both DGB and Q21. If that happens there are still enough town alive to take out someone trying to hurt out of order or propose a different plan.

because if all 3-4 scum are kept alive when all townies besides you, dgb and q21, are dead is prob not a good idea.
how many hps do you think q21, you and dgb can have together FACING a horde of scum that can hurt in thread and use rage?
Do you think that scum will be likely to HURT each other, when all that is left is scumbags?
there is a reason why this plan is HEAVILY and majority approved. Do you think scum would be supporting it if apparently it gives town an auto-win?

[populartajo]

what i've been trying to explain to tajo for some time now is that there is no f-ing way a scum arel at this point will claim anything except cherub.

yeah?, so dont kill me, im a confirmed TOWN arel.

hardly

Why am I not a confirmed town arel?

[populartajo]

Hurt : rolf

Die scum die.

[populartajo]

because if all 3-4 scum are kept alive when all townies besides you, dgb and q21, are dead is prob not a good idea.
how many hps do you think q21, you and dgb can have together FACING a horde of scum that can hurt in thread and use rage?
Do you think that scum will be likely to HURT each other, when all that is left is scumbags?
there is a reason why this plan is HEAVILY and majority approved. Do you think scum would be supporting it if apparently it gives town an auto-win?

OK, do you have a better plan? Possibly one that doesn't lead to a scum auto-win, like your old one. Show all your calculations.

its late, Goofball, scum have control of the thread.
they had it so much ago when you stopped listening to me.

[populartajo]

Hurt : rolf

Die scum die.

You just healed Q21. That's not gonna work.

yes, it does, the last action was out of time.

[populartajo]

also this is the time when everyone but these 3 players (dgb and nuwen and q21) should be put to L-1. You can add rolf if you want but its obvious nuwen is the town seraph.
We are facing MAJORITY of scum right now with my death. If we put everyone at L-1 then we are likely to hit scum and some unnecesary townies. After all, scum are not using rage on everyone but q21.
But you guys are deaf.

[populartajo]

also this is the time when everyone but these 3 players (dgb and nuwen and q21) should be put to L-1. You can add rolf if you want but its obvious nuwen is the town seraph.

Personally I'm not buying the obligatory scum seraph, when we have town roles that aren't normal. I would believe that the scum has, like the town, some unorthodox roles.

We are facing MAJORITY of scum right now with my death. If we put everyone at L-1 then we are likely to hit scum and some unnecesary townies.

I'm not sure that's a good idea, it'll take time, and the scum might recharge before we get our act together. That's why I said, 'show your calculations.' Mafia is a game of inches, we can't leave anything to chance.

After all, scum are not using rage on everyone but q21. But you guys are deaf.

I'm listening. I take that to mean Q21 is town. But he says he has boatloads of HPs, so he's probably OK.

im fucked up in a hosp bed and im not in my house comfortably sit to run calculations or hunt for quotes. You say q21 has botloads of HPs but it wont matter when scum can hurt in thread and with rage.
Scum prob have majority right now and of course they are not going to hurt each other after my death.
they are going to kill all of you.
why do you think this plan is supported by almost all the players alive if it gives town an auto-win, when we have alive 3-4 scumbags?
however if we put everyone to L-1, besides you, q21 and rolf-nuwen, we are likely to kill any scumbag that wants to play smart. yes, scum will snipe town within their rage, but arent we preventing them to go to our savior q21?

[populartajo]

im fucked up in a hosp bed and im not in my house comfortably sit to run calculations or hunt for quotes.

Ah, sorry to hear that.

You say q21 has botloads of HPs but it wont matter when scum can hurt in thread and with rage.

Well, at the moment, it really looks like you're the most likely scum, that's the thing; and we can't hestiate, we can't wait, we need to lynch scum FAST before the rage recharges. And at the moment you are still the most likely suspect.

You're right, it's a little disturbing that everyone (well, other then you, I guess) are all going along with the plan. What's your theory for why the plan won't work, then? You worried that, say, rofl and nuwen might both be scum?

the plan wont work if all the players left alive with q21, rolf-nuwen and dgb are scum. stalemate there and they wont hurt each other anymore. therefore the q21 plan wont be implemented by scum and it will become a hurt race that we know scum will win.
after all that have said, you still think I am scum?
Know something, I shouldnt prove Im town, you should prove Im scum.

[populartajo]

if there were still four scum alive, at this point they would just have done away with formalities and started a damage race with the town. which they would win.

maybe because there arent four scum alive?

[populartajo]

YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT IM OBV TOWN, YOU DA.

You keep saying this over and over again, but you keep refusing to explain WHY we should consider you obv town.

Convince me you're town. Use quotes ,or arguments, or whatever you've got. Show examples of you acting in a pro-town way. Make a case. Or convince me someone else is a better lynch then you are. Because you repeating "I AM TOWN" over and over again is not going to do it.

please re read the thread, thx very much.
someone else better than me for a lynch : you and rolf.

[populartajo]

I'm pretty sure one of copter or tajo is scum.

Both are pulling at my heartstrings right now.

The first 80% of the game, I was sure copter was scum. The last 20%, he seems to have been more careful.

Tajo felt town all game, until recently, when he started to cook up scum auto-win plans.

Goofball, my plans dont suck, you dont understand them.

[populartajo]

if tajo is town, it'll become all too obvious that i am also town when i'm on the losing side of a hurt race against the scum.

lolwhat?

[populartajo]

the plan wont work if all the players left alive with q21, rolf-nuwen and dgb are scum. stalemate there and they wont hurt each other anymore.

Yes, tajo, I pointed that out long before you did.

DGB is mostly confirmed at this point, I think. So, again, do you really think both rofl and nuwenn are scum? If they are, then the plan would cost the town the game.

Convince me that they are more likely to both scum then you are to be scum, and we can lynch one of them instead of you.

therefore the q21 plan wont be implemented by scum and it will become a hurt race that we know scum will win.

Unless the scum think their best shot is to kill off q21 with rage points before the plan can happen. In which case, the scum would be trying to stall, delay, wave their arms wildly, and do whatever it takes to slow us down right now.

after all that have said, you still think I am scum?

I think it's likely, yeah, especally considering your anti-town behavior in the last several pages.

Plus, honestly, we're kind of in a position where I'm hoping you are scum becasue if you're not we're in really deep trouble; wheras if you are, with only a few HP left, and we hurry up and finish you off before we can do much more damage, we may have a shot.

Know something, I shouldnt prove Im town, you should prove Im scum.

I made my case for why I think you're scum. Tour early game behavior when you argued stratagy instead of scumhunting for basically the entire first 30 pages, your mudslinging, your incredibly anti-town plans. And your only response was to say "I'M OBV CONFIRMED TOWN" over and over again in all caps.

in the extreme scenario that rolf is town, yos is still scum. fonz coming up town, should have changed your mind about him, right rolf?

intent to hurt : yos.

[populartajo]

also i meant to say that that las post from yosarian is a big misrepresentation of what i did and what i said ALL the game-
if you are town, you should pianfully see it and dont be fooled by scum.
i dont want people healing me, i want people hurting this scumbag

[populartajo]

if tajo is town, it'll become all too obvious that i am also town when i'm on the losing side of a hurt race against the scum.

lolwhat?

the only reason that 4 remaining scum wouldn't be just all out hurtwarring the town right now is if you're also town and they can continue follow q's plan and make it 4-2 instead of 4-3. and if its 3 scum left and you're town, well i've got more hurt on me than nuwen does, and q has taken a serious beating, and dgb is an ophan with not many hps, so things will still go very poorly.

plz be scums?

you say you are town because you are hurt?
lolwhat?

[populartajo]

Firestarter
DrippingGoofball
Yosarian2
Nuwen
populartajo
q21
roflcopter

This is our list of players. If we assume 4 scum alive, we are fucked up.
We have to assume 3 scum alive, that DGB and q21 are town and that there is one scum between rolf and Nuwen.
So we are left with the following players:

Yosarian, populartajo and Firestarter.

THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE SCUM in this group. What about if we make the wrong decision today (killing me instead of Yos is the wrong decision, but hey thats me)? You are left with scum ready to hurt in thread and with rage.

Rather, we put all these players at L-1 and kill them at the same time. Me included.

[populartajo]

no i'm not town because i'm hurt, i'm saying if it goes to 6 alive after a town-tajo death, town loses because i'm more hurt than nuwen. there is no way for me to prove this, but it will become unfortunately clear if and when that happens.

so dont kill me?
oh look yos is attacking me of omgus when I attacked him first, even when he was Giuseppe.
doesnt it ring some alarms on your scumhunting sensor?

[populartajo]

tajo town + copter town = 50_%
tajo town + copter scum = 75_%
tajo scum + copter town = 0%
tajo scum + copter scum = 0%

[populartajo]

what i've been trying to explain to tajo for some time now is that there is no f-ing way a scum arel at this point will claim anything except cherub.

yeah?, so dont kill me, im a confirmed TOWN arel.

hardly

Why am I not a confirmed town arel?

A better question is, why

are

you a confirmed town anything? You are not confirmed in anyway. None at all. The way you continue to insist that you are is what makes me most comfortable that you're scum.

Ok, Im not going to insist on that anymore.
Please read yos arguments and tell me if they make sense from a townie point of view. they dont.

[populartajo]

oh look yos is attacking me of omgus when I attacked him first, even when he was Giuseppe.

He's replaced in a 135 page, fast moving game.

pretty strange why he thinks Im OBV scum when he has offered NO OPINIONS on anyone else, huh?

[populartajo]

tajo town + copter town = 35_%
tajo town + copter scum = 65_%
tajo scum + copter town = 0%
tajo scum + copter scum = 0%

It doesn't add up to 100. It has to.

[populartajo]

if tajo is town we are definitely up shit creek. at that point the scum will stop following the q plan and murder us all. tajo/whoever our next kill is needs to be scum for this to work.

oh yeah, thank you very much for listening what i have been saying ALL these last pages...

[populartajo]

pretty strange why he thinks Im OBV scum when he has offered NO OPINIONS on anyone else, huh?

Not after your last few plans were a scum auto-win.

you just dont understand them.
if we put yos and me at l-1 then i would be happy with my dead cuz ill come up town and yos will be obv scum.

[populartajo]

i'm gonna let q21 call it. whichever of tajo and yos he wants to die next is who i will hurt when i can.

no, use this:
if we put yos and me at l-1 then i would be happy with my dead cuz ill come up town and yos will be obv scum.
then we avoid considerably the problem of lynching the town in this situation.

[populartajo]

What happens is tajo is town, and copter is scum?

Are we still better off killing tajo first?

you really think so?

[populartajo]

Considering the way Tajo hurt Rofl, I doubt they are scum together.

Close to impossible.

Right.

Q21: You listening? IF tajo flip scum, Nuwen basically has to be his scumbuddy, and we have to hit him hard ASAP, with everything we've got, including whatever zeal points you have.

let q21 decide, scumbag.
dont get too impatient and stop trying to complot against q21 plan

[populartajo]

i'm gonna let q21 call it. whichever of tajo and yos he wants to die next is who i will hurt when i can.

no, use this:
if we put yos and me at l-1 then i would be happy with my dead cuz ill come up town and yos will be obv scum.
then we avoid considerably the problem of lynching the town in this situation.

Um...if you are seriously suggesting that me, rofl, and nuwen are scum, tajo, then your plan would almost certanly cost the town the game. You realize that, right?

WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT NUWEN/ROLF AND YOU ARE SCUM TOGETHER?
STOP TWISTING MY WORDS
SCUMBAG

[populartajo]

Alright.

roflcopter gives a 50:50 chance of tajo being scum, and tajo gives copter a 65% change of being scum.

Given that copter has been calling tajo scum all game, and that tajo has recently proposed scum-win plans, is it possible that copter knows tajo is town, and is trying to wash his hands off the lynch??? The 50:50 number is inconsistent with copter's game-long stance on tajo.

Tajo, on the other hand, has given numbers that match with his words, all through the game.

thx very much, lady.
its possible that rolf has realized that im obv town.
he changes his mind too quickly for my taste

[populartajo]

What happens is tajo is town, and copter is scum?

Are we still better off killing tajo first?

you really think so?

Yeah, I do really think so, I'm asking. I'm as bad at calculations and planning as you are, if not

WORSE.

lol, possible.
its pretty obvious, yos is also asking for my lynch without thinking it very much, i think the dichotomy is between he and me.

[populartajo]

pop's heal on me was too early (I went and looked it up). Therefore his hurt on rofl stands. For all his screaming about putting himself, yos and FS at L-1 he didn't do it. Contradicting himself.

I think we need to stay the course. I feel that pop's idea is scum motivated. Were he a townie that believed in it he'd have hurt yos, not rofl.

i think both of them are likely scum. rolf less but yos is just so obvious it hurts.

[populartajo]

pop's heal on me was too early (I went and looked it up). Therefore his hurt on rofl stands. For all his screaming about putting himself, yos and FS at L-1 he didn't do it. Contradicting himself.

I think we need to stay the course. I feel that pop's idea is scum motivated. Were he a townie that believed in it he'd have hurt yos, not rofl.

i think both of them are likely scum. rolf less but yos is just so obvious it hurts.

also, why would i go with a plan that nobody supports?
if it were supported i would have hurt yos. right now, i have my intent to hurt: yos.

[populartajo]

lol, possible.
its pretty obvious, yos is also asking for my lynch without thinking it very much, i think the dichotomy is between he and me.

"without thinking about it very much"?

I've been explaining my suspicions of you for days now, and you just keep refusing to respond in any kind of rational way other then blind OMGUS and random unexplained "I AM CONFIRMED TOWN YOU IDIOTS" statements.

how is this OMGUS when I was the first attacking you?
I never said the town that they were idiots.
Please STOP TWISTING MY WORDS, LYING SCUMBAG

[populartajo]

thx very much, lady.
its possible that rolf has realized that im obv town.
he changes his mind too quickly for my taste

Except that the Q21 plan has him as a survivor. Going with my gut, I'd kill him first.

Its possible that rolf is still agressive silly town. Thats a thing that should be decided wen all that are left are Nuwen-q21-rolf and you.
Right now, we have to kill Yosarian or put him at L-1 so when I flip town uyou can kill his scummy arse.

[populartajo]

Its possible that rolf is still agressive silly town.

His failure rate is 100%. I'm not sure that falls under 'silly' anymore.

everybody in this game but scum have a failure rate 100%
im not saying rolf is town but this is something we shouldnt be talking right now. q21 and you will decide these things. we should be killing yos.

[populartajo]

lol, possible.
its pretty obvious, yos is also asking for my lynch without thinking it very much, i think the dichotomy is between he and me.

"without thinking about it very much"?

I've been explaining my suspicions of you for days now, and you just keep refusing to respond in any kind of rational way other then blind OMGUS and random unexplained "I AM CONFIRMED TOWN YOU IDIOTS" statements.

how is this OMGUS when I was the first attacking you?

I just explained this, you know. You're attacking me in order to avoid having to defend yourself against my rational arguments against you, that's why it's an OMGUS attack.

I never said the town that they were idiots.
Please STOP TWISTING MY WORDS, LYING SCUMBAG

Lol

you have no mind?
really, this town SO deserves to lose.

Im not going to bother with a defense when the retarded townies left are being guided by obv scum.
...This is one of the most retarded towns Ive seen in a while. Seriously.

You're right; you didn't say the town was idiots, you just said that the town "had no mind", "deserved to lose", and that we were "retarted".

Yeah this town deserves to lose. I apologize for the insults, though.
Look, yos, you just want to make me look bad against town, i was pissed and you are just taking an advantage of it, classical scum behaviour.

[populartajo]

let q21 decide, scumbag.
dont get too impatient and stop trying to complot against q21 plan

lol...you've been trying to convince us for the past 2 pages that the q21 plan would cost the town the game because "no one was arguing against it", tajo. And now you're accusing me of "tryign to plot against the plan"?

Flailing scum Tajo thought he had a chance of getting rofl on his side, is my best guess.

Gah! Good point...

Now I'm pulling my hair out.

no, dgb, he is manipulating you.

[populartajo]

And tajo: if you were town, you'd be actually trying to defend yourself at this point rather then just spouting garbage over and over again every post.

i dont need to answer to garbage, thx very much.
I JUST WANT YOU AND ME dead now.

[populartajo]

And tajo: if you were town, you'd be actually trying to defend yourself at this point rather then just spouting garbage over and over again every post.

i dont need to answer to garbage, thx very much.
I JUST WANT YOU AND ME dead now.

[populartajo]

let q21 decide, scumbag.
dont get too impatient and stop trying to complot against q21 plan

lol...you've been trying to convince us for the past 2 pages that the q21 plan would cost the town the game because "no one was arguing against it", tajo. And now you're accusing me of "tryign to plot against the plan"?

Flailing scum Tajo thought he had a chance of getting rofl on his side, is my best guess.

Gah! Good point...

Now I'm pulling my hair out.

no, dgb, he is manipulating you.

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but what he said is true.

what is true?

[populartajo]

i'm gonna let q21 call it. whichever of tajo and yos he wants to die next is who i will hurt when i can.

no, use this:
if we put yos and me at l-1 then i would be happy with my dead cuz ill come up town and yos will be obv scum.
then we avoid considerably the problem of lynching the town in this situation.

Um...if you are seriously suggesting that me, rofl, and nuwen are scum, tajo, then your plan would almost certanly cost the town the game. You realize that, right?

WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT NUWEN/ROLF AND YOU ARE SCUM TOGETHER?
STOP TWISTING MY WORDS
SCUMBAG

[populartajo]

Am I wrong when I say that its weird that all people are supporting this plan when there 3-4 scum alive?
I dont think so.
My guess here is that scum have a way to prevent the plan from happening. They only need time and more townies killed before doing that.
Its strange that when I called this (about all people supporting the plan) yosarian complots agains the plan and is trying to implicate nuwen and rolf when we shouldnt be talking about this.
My result doesnt mean anything but Yos has to be scum.

[populartajo]

Am I wrong when I say that its weird that all people are supporting this plan when there 3-4 scum alive?
I dont think so.

Right; that was your point, and that was why I started to wonder if perhaps we shouldn't follow the plan. And yet, because I listened to you and thought about what you said, suddenly I "have to be scum"?

Pfft.

No, you are scum for other reasons.
We HAVE to follow the plan. I never said dont follow the plan..
What Im preventing is the extremely likely scenario of all scum alive against q21-Nuwen/rolf and DGB. If you and Fire are scum, you wont obviously hurt each other and start a damage race against the three prob townies alive. I think this is the scum plan and this was all the time since they first killed fonz which was obv town and then they are trying to kill me which at the same time Im obv town.
I really think you are better than this, yos...

[populartajo]

We HAVE to follow the plan. I never said dont follow the plan...

But the plan has you being next in line for elimination. Are you fighting it? I'm not being facetious, I really don't quite understand what you're trying to accomplish.

...and then they are trying to kill me which at the same time Im obv town.

But that's the plan... if it was up to me, copter would go before you... and now out of the blue you think that copter, who has been uber-scummy all game, is more scummy than Yos who has just replaced. And yet, if we follow the plan, Yosarian will die in due time... quite possibly before sunday, before the scum gets new rage points. So I'm not sure what you want, and what difference it makes anyway, since the end point is the same. The only difference might be if we stall and the scum get more rage point. No???

dgb, two things:

a) I still think yos-rolf is a likely scumpair and Ive always thought that since many pages ago but if we assume rolf is scum, then we dont want he working for scum, we want he working for us, right? Anyways, it doesnt matter what we think about him right now, since at the end I trust you and q21 will make a fair call about him.

b) the plan assumes that we kill scummy player A and then go with kill scummy player B and then with scummy player C. If A is town and B and C are scum, do you think B and C are likely to follow the plan, or would they likely hurt townies?

c) the plan on q21 is good and now its our only chance to win but killing me and having yos and prob fire alive is going to lead to a hurt race that we know town cant win. Therefore, there wont be more plan. However, if you keep me alive and have Yos and Fire in the same L-1 situation, the chances that scum are messing with the plan will be low. You'll only need one hurt to kill them. I just want to say that I have been pro town all the game, my plans are NOT a way to give scum auto-wins and Im doing my best to prove Im town. Please, think in that.

Love
Alpaca Tajo.

[populartajo]

No, no, Yos, too much stalling.
We need you, me and Fire at L-1.
That way we cant kill all the remaining scum and me at the same time.
Who do you think is town and scum?

[populartajo]

We need you, me and Fire at L-1.

That's what, almost 20 hurts? Most of us are spent for today.

The plan called for players to be eliminated from scummiest to least scummy, not for putting a bunch of players at L-1. It's the same, only slower, and with one point fewer per player!

yes but if im dead, fire and yos wont hurt each other, they'll hurt you and q21.
if im alive, youll save hit points for me and ill use my hurts to bring these players (or at least one of them) closer to death, meaning that when Ill be dead it will be easier for you to control them.
anyways, why i am considered the most scummy of the three alive?

[populartajo]

No, no, Yos, too much stalling.
We need you, me and Fire at L-1.

Um...putting us at lynch -1 IS stalling; we should just be killing the scum instead of playing games with the hit points, we don't have that kind of time to screw around.

That way we cant kill all the remaining scum and me at the same time.
Who do you think is town and scum?

At this point, if there are 3 scum, I think the most likely scenerio is you are scum, nuwen is scum, and fire is scum.

If you are town, then that would probably have to mean...I don't know what that would mean. ROFL scum+Nuwen scum? Or perhaps ROFL scum+Nuwen scum+fire scum? I donno. I have trouble coming up with a likely scenerio that involves you being town.

Im town that means you are scum, right yos?

[populartajo]

Different stances towards rolf

On a different note, Rofl feels quite town to me, in his own way.

Alright Xyl, I don't believe Rofl should be able to be acting as unilaterally as he is. I've been saying all game I don't believe in unilateral action, and I'll stand to it.

I'm not tolerating anything unilateral. Heal Xyl right now to make up for Rofl's work.

I totally disagree that Rofl is obvtown. He's been doing nothing but undermining our attempts at organization this entire game, and pretty much arranged all on his own for Kinetic to get killed by Rage Points.

ORLY?

I don't recommend healing Walt. We need to see his flip, and I'm proposing this as a new policy. Everything up to now would be exempt.

This was when Walt Seraph Town was obv town. Of course you want to see him dead, scum.

I'm glad people finally have common sense and are using the system. Those against the system are the least town among us, as they represent a willing disapproval of a method created by an incredibly pro-town player *Tajo*, and seek to undermine his attempts at restoring order to the town.

Hm, well, judging by my presence on Tajo's big, all-caps list of Non-Town players, I suppose at the very least I should follow his instructions, that I might work towards validating myself in his eyes.

Kay, good to know. But things change drastically when Xyl was the lynch of the day. These all posts fell extremely dumb and fabricated, like he knew Xyl was town and wanted to stay away of the lynch and make me look bad.

Tajo, seriously, that's not an argument I can accept. I want to make the right choice for the town, and taking your word for it isn't something I cant just do.

We're close to death and doom and fire and brimstone at the hands of the scum.
I don't see how protecting the Ophan from a scum rage kill is anti-town though! Is that it? Is that really all?

Hi, everyone, replacing in.
I'll try to get caught up as quickly as possible. Until then, anything urgent I need to know or need to do?

This was the first time you reading the thread and you know that there is something urgent you need to know?

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I thought populartajo’s stratagy suggestions sounded reasonably pro-town when he first made them, but it’s really starting to seem like he’s just repeating his stratagy argument over and over again while not hunting for scum at all. Fos:tajo

This is false. I was on the players that hunted shinnen and called her obv scum since day 1.

q21: Interesting. I'm not really sure why you first hurt Nuwen and then unloaded your firepower onto Albert, though.

last try to make q21 look bad before he becomes prob confirmed town. Also, I love how yos didnt protect ABR when he thought he was obv town and he even asked if he was at L-1.

Hmm...I did a quick skim of Fonz's posts, and wasn't impressed by most of what he's done since the Shin lynch. We're about to go out to the grocery story in a few minutes, and I should probably use my hurt first .

Hurt:Fonz

But after this, we need to get rid of Tajo.

Setting up mislynches, huh? With NO CASE on him and you havent even read the thread entirely.
Then it all comes garbage attacks that make no sense to answer since Yosarian is TWISTING my words every time he can and trying to make me look bad.
Also, have you already answered this?
WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT NUWEN AND ROLF HAVE TO BE SCUM TOGETHER?

[populartajo]

yes but if im dead, fire and yos wont hurt each other, they'll hurt you and q21.
if im alive, youll save hit points for me and ill use my hurts to bring these players (or at least one of them) closer to death, meaning that when Ill be dead it will be easier for you to control them.

I think I see what you're taking about, at last.

So, what you're saying is that instead of killing off players right now, we leave you alive, and bring Firestarter and Yosarian to low HPs. Although, if they're scum, they're going to lie, and say that they have low HP when they might have higher HP.

anyways, why i am considered the most scummy of the three alive?

Not by me. I consider copter the scummiest player alive, but I'm not getting any traction. I don't understand why you changed your mind about him in the past couple of pages. Quite a turnaround.

DGB, please read point 1 in post 4001.
If what we are assuming is right, Yos and Fire have to be scum too. Its probable once is the Fallen Arel. The other is prob a Cherub. Thats why massclaiming when all people left are in their majority scum was a good plan.

[populartajo]

Means Im dead now.
Thx for at least giving me a chance.
Yos and Fire should be obvious scum right now.
Go town. I doubt you can still make it but hey, you never know,

[populartajo]

Guys, hopefully, Pop is scum.

If not, Im very confident that Yos & roflcopter are.

Q21, Im happy to keep healing you, I'd prefer to hurt Yos.

BTW, just so you know, this plan is going to get Town killed if Pop is NOT scum.
If he is town, he is the only player against this plan.
And if this plan is gonna win it for Town, why is there only 1 player against it?????
Think about it.....

Everyone else is going along with it, so if Pop is town, I'd seriuosly suggest looking at one of his main attackers over the last few pages.

Thank you FUCKING EINSTEIN.

[populartajo]

hurt populartajo

You never get anywhere in life without a few gambles. Hope this one pays off.

sorry you just lost all your money

[populartajo]

Fonz and ABR, at least rolf has apologized for one of the worst plays of you in many time.

[populartajo]

For the record, I always knew DGB was scum and q21 was a SK. Realized Nuwen was scum too late, though.

[populartajo]

Reading back through my posts, that bit where I was insisting that Xyl, DGB, and Giuseppe were my top suspects is painful.

Actually, in fact, for most of the game i had Xyl, DGB, and either Nuwen or Giuseppe. D'oh.

Maybe Tajo too?

[populartajo]

There is only a reason why town lost this one. Scum too advantage of the agressive ones and the obv hate they would hate after killing townies.

[populartajo]

Really, Tajo? I was saying throughout that I thought you were town. In fact, I only really started thinking you were scum about when I died, and i realised how many times you'd set up lynches by going 'Well, if he's town, that other guy who disagrees with him must be scum... hmm no, ok, if he's town, then HE must be scum... no, ok, then it's HIM...' Oh, and that completely ridiculous 'put people to L-1' and 'I'M CONFIRMED TOWN' bit. Which was just bizarre.

Was it really dumb to think that there has to be scum between rolf-Xyl-Tenchi and Seraphim, seeing how bad each of them played?
The "Im confirmed town" was just to mess with scum. Town couldnt win at that point and obv scum were leading the lynches.
And the put to L-1 plan. I still think it had its merits but obv scum would shut it down.
Fonz, you think your play was optimal this game?

[populartajo]

The "Im confirmed town" was just to mess with scum. Town couldnt win at that point and obv scum were leading the lynches.

Eh...I'm pretty sure I would have been going after you no matter what there, after I replaced in...you really looked scummy to me, and when you kept saying you were town, it just made it easier to lynch you.

Probably the big difference is I would have gone after you harder and not stopped and hurt Fonz first if I was town.

Actually I just started acting scummy when there was no way town could win this. If there had been at least one motivation other than the sound of the freaking boring machines in the hospital, I would prob have made a better case than the one I crafted.

[populartajo]

Oh, God no. I completely lost faith in myself after Seraphim flipped town. But it's just not true to say i had you as scum. You were pissing me off, but I thought you were town. In many ways, I played the worst of all. I had the scum in my sites, but i completely panicked.

Good to know. If you could change anything in this game about your play, what would it be?

[populartajo]

The point is that I realized rolf was town too late.
Also, could we have won if we had masshealed q21 instead of hurting each other?

[populartajo]

Hehe.

To be honest Tajo, at the end there i was wondering if they hadn't perhaps given you slightly too many meds...

lol prob

[populartajo]

i was responsible for the shinnen lynch.
(runs away)

[populartajo]

also, please let this thread not die.
i have a nice warm feeling in my healthy testicle when I reread it.

[populartajo]

also, please dont lest this thread die.
god i suck at english

preview edit: my new avatar is a way to remind myself of never never distrust my read on dgb again.

[populartajo]

Oh please. I'm not trying to make myself feel better for christ's sake. I'm not bragging that I voiced suspicion / hurt 3 of the 4 scum. So please.

You would have been more valuable if you werent that agressive.

[populartajo]

Oh please. I'm not trying to make myself feel better for christ's sake. I'm not bragging that I voiced suspicion / hurt 3 of the 4 scum. So please.

You would have been more valuable if you werent that agressive.

And zwet would have value to the town if he didn't announce when he started his observe cycles.

Whatever people say about me, I try to give my games a minimum level of thought at least.

i was not talking about zwet