War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)
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Ok; I guess I'll do my normal "read through with game and note random points as I go”.
Page 4: stratagy discussion, Albert and Kinetic argue about stratagy; Kinetic arguing for town taking their time, Albert arguing for speed to counter “rage” points, everyone seems to agree that town should heal everyone 1 hp and dosn’t hurt people at random. (I’m a little fuzzy about the stratagy myself, this is my first “War in Heaven game”, but the logic makes sense.) This is followed by Rofl completly ignoring all this and hurting Kinetic. Seems odd to me.
Page 5: Albert attacks Kinetic. I don’t really agree, but he’s being logical and agressivly scumhunting, which actually makes me feel better about Albert. I like it a lot better then rofl’s unexplanined damage of Kinetic, anyway.
Ugh. This post feels so scummy.roflcopter wrote:right, hoopla dies right after kinetic
i love how i always make the scum squirm right away
Page 6: Albert continues to look pro-town-ish, especally with how he responds to rofl’s clique stuff. Scum Albert would be more tempted to use that to his advantage, I think.
I would fos vIQleS for his silly “no fos yet, but your close” response to Albert’s vote, but he’s apparently town according to the first post.
Page 7: Hmm. Scum Shinnen votes rofl.
Lol at Xyl.
Not sure what you mean here, Nuwen, but I don’t think anyone could claim that jumping to conclusions is a reliable DGB scumtell of any type, lol; DGB jumping to random conclusions pretty much just is a sign that DGB is playing the game.Nuwen wrote:zwetschenwasser wrote:I concur. Xyl is also quick to come to conclusions without any evidence.
So you think quick conclusions are scummy, eh?DrippingGoofball wrote:rofl and Xyl are still town.
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Yeah, Albert is still town.Albert B. Rampage wrote:DGB, thoughts on Shinnen_no_Me?
He is, but I will note that using the phrase “I am willing to stake my reputation on it” is perhaps the single scummiest thing a person can say, hah.DrippingGoofball wrote:I read ABR like a book. I have a total town read on him. I'm willing to stake my reputation on it.
Read up to page 14 so far...I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I'm not caught up yet, but this seems odd.Firestarter wrote:
Q21, I would like you to utilise what you claim you have.
Im not going to direct you, but an example of the power you claim to wield is required now.
Your Town damage is very close to those I highly suspect, and your claim needs to be tested.
Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm sill way behind here, but if Q21 was scum, then he would be able to do the thing he's claiming, right? Except he's be using "rage" points instead of "Zeal" points or whatever.
I'm not sure how Q21 using his claimed ability would help us find out his role at all, since if he's town and telling the truth he can do it or if he's scum he would also be able to do it. Am I missing something here?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ok, still reading:
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Xyl’s plan is reasonable. I’m not sure why he was so opposed to the mass heal thing, though; seems like if the whole town wants someone dead; they’re dead anyway, and it gives a little more protection again the scum kill. But his “Let’s only hurt someone who has already been hurt, and let’s do it fast and get a lynch off” thing sounded good to me.
And Albert instantly ignores it and hurts Hoopla, who was still at full life. Ugh.Fos:albert
Page 19: Continued stratagy debate between taho and the fakevoting crowd and Fonz with the opposite view.
page 20: Rofl’s attack on seraphim here is just bad, ugh.
...and just as I’m becoming convinced that rofl is scum, I see Shinnen-scum attack him again, with an actual hurt this time. Hmm.
...interesting that he post this not long after the dead scum hurts him.roflcopter wrote:
no, people are now hurting me because i'm a power role and they're scumseraphim wrote:You could read it like that. But I prefer to translate that as "rofl, stop it, you're gonna get yourself lynched because of your erratic play, start hunting scum". Guess what? People are now hurting you because of your erratic play! who called it?
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I thought populartajo’s stratagy suggestions sounded reasonably pro-town when he first made them, but it’s really starting to seem like he’s just repeating his stratagy argument over and over again while not hunting for scum at all.Fos:tajo
Page 23: Everyone’s really starting to pile on Shinnen now.
Ok, read up to page 24...ugh, starting to get a headache. I’ll try to do some more later.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ah, ok. And you think you can tell the difference between rage and zeal, if there actually is such a difference?DrippingGoofball wrote:
Yes. I am an Ophanim, which means that I can detect secret actions. If q21 gets his act together and makes an action before my watch expires, I'll be able to test his claim.Yosarian2 wrote:Am I missing something here?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Page 27: Nuwen and ROFL finish off the scum, both apparently being Seraphs.
Why? What's your meta on ABR as far as bussing goes?DrippingGoofball wrote:Oh yes, and taking into consideration the meta of the player, ABR is another slam dung scumbag.
Um...if anyone looks OMGUS here, it's ABR.Albert B. Rampage wrote:DrippingGoofball wrote:
His nose twitched.Nuwen wrote:What happened between twenty minutes ago and now to remove Xyl and ViQles from your list?
He's totally his town self.DrippingGoofball wrote:I read ABR like a book. I have a total town read on him. I'm willing to stake my reputation on it.DrippingGoofball wrote:
*raised hand*Albert B. Rampage wrote:I need support to kill vIQleS within the hour.
Who's with me?Intent to hurt: DGB
Her recent attacks against me are nothing but late OMGUS.
This is followed by ABR and ROFL going hard after Hoopla again...don't really see why, from all the quotes ROFL has here looks like it was mostly because Hoopla was supporting the "let's vote instead of hurting" game stratagy theory day 1. Which just seems like a terrible reason to vote someone...I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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q21: Interesting. I'm not really sure why you first hurt Nuwen and then unloaded your firepower onto Albert, though.
Everyone else: Is it likely that each scum could have 9 rage points stored up now? I guess I'll see when I get caught up...how much rage have the scum used to date?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Firestarter was demanding q21 demonstrate his zeal ability.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Where did that happen? I must have missed it.roflcopter wrote:firestarter is more scum than ever for forcing him to use his zeal[...].
9 points seems like a lot...it's basiclaly a one-shot kill for a lot of people, right? It also means q21 would win a 1 on 1 endgame with basically anyone. I'm wondering; is it possible q21 could be a SK or something?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Right, and that's exactally why it dosn't really seem like a town role to me; town should never win a one on one edgame.roflcopter wrote: q21 could have been an endgame threat to the scum until firestarter just talked him into using all his ammunition.
Did town have anything like that in earlier War in Heaven games?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Wait..what the hell? Why me?populartajo wrote:we have to kill yos and rolf.
If there's a case against me, I'll be glad to answer it once I have a chance to read the damn game.
Is your plan "get all the town people to claim so me and my scumbuddies can know exactally when we can use our rage points to speedkill them"?populartajo wrote: also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.
Ah, I see that it is.populartajo wrote:YOS, START CLAIMING.
If it's a split role/motive game like Flay said it was, that would mean that any role could be scum or town, so I don't see how massclaiming helps town. On the other hand, if scum have a certain amount of rage damage they can do at will based on time, then knowing how many hitpoints everyone has would help scum a LOT, wouldn't it?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Only problems I see with this plan is:q21 wrote:FUCK! What a fucking waste. My apologies, but seriously fuck.
I wish I'd thought of this before I wasted my ZP or my hurt, but I think I have an idea that could guarantee a win for town. Obviously, I think its genius, but I may be wrong.
It requires the following assumptions to be true:
- At least one of rofl and nuwen is town.
- Neither rofl or nuwen is a massive HP fallen version of myself.
Personally I like the chances of the above, therefore I put forward this idea:
STAGE 1: We leave both of seraphim and myself alive. We go about killing everyone else (still in order of scumminess, of course). That leads to a final three situation with myself and two seraphim, or possibly a town victory before that point even.
STAGE 2: If both rofl an nuwen are town we win here. If only one is town then that one hurts the other. There is no way to control what a scum seraph would do here, but if they do anything other than attack the town seraph I'll know who to join in with, otherwise I will stay out of the fighting at this point.
STAGE 3: If that damage race is won by the loyal seraph than the LOYAL ANGELS WIN. If not then I should have accrued enough ZP from the deaths of Fallen in stage 1 and from the passage of time to win the final damage race with an injured scum seraph.
Final Result: LOYAL ANGELS WIN!
Genius or Idiocy?
I would suggest killing people in this order, anyone who agrees should suggest an order of their own:
The Fonz
Firestarter
Yosarian2
Populartajo
DGB
I'm actually happy to let DGB live through the entire thing because she could easily have framed me as scum a few posts ago and probably won the game for scum. She didn't. She is obvtown for me.
1. q21 might be scum, in which case town loses.
2. If he is town, one of the two sepherem is scum, and whichever other townie we kill last is scum, then we get to a 2 town 2 scum endgame and scum probably win that one, if they have rage points and q21 spentI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You and rofl, right?populartajo wrote:
its strange cuz some pages ago you thought fonz was town and giuseppe was scum.roflcopter wrote:no, q, don't listen to tajo just because he's OMG CAPS LOCK ANGRY
q21, we have our scumpair here.
Everyone else: Is populartajo actually confirmed town? He looked pretty sketchy in the early part of the game I've managed to read so far.Pop wrote:
yos,trust my plan im the most confirmed town of this group.
it needs your claim.
Pop: How did you get confirmed town?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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No, I didn't replace Fonz, Fonz is still here.Firestarter wrote:I started my post after I read the last post, I posted, and then came back and seen that a few posts had been made in the time it took me to write mine.
Why has Fonz been replaced with Yos all of a sudden?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ok, #2 makes sense. If you are town, then DGB almost has to be town, I think.q21 wrote:
1. I'm not. I can say nothing more to allay your fears on that.Yosarian2 wrote:Only problems I see with this plan is:
1. q21 might be scum, in which case town loses.
2. If he is town, one of the two sepherem is scum, and whichever other townie we kill last is scum, then we get to a 2 town 2 scum endgame and scum probably win that one, if they have rage points and q21 spent
2. That's why DGB is non-negotiably last on the list. She could have framed me if she wanted to. Framing me probably wins scum the game regardless of my alignment, there I'm as certain as one can be before flip that she's town.
I do think there's some chance scum might be able to disrupt the plan first, though; plus, I'm not sure how you are suggesting the endgame work. If it's you and the two serephem, and one of them is scum, how would you know which one is town? How will they know you're town? Still sounds like a standard 3 man endgame to me; the two town still have to figure out who to lynch, right?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ah...so you and nuwen bash at each other until you both die? Ok, that makes sense.roflcopter wrote:best case scenario is to knock off three scumbags in a row, then have nuwen and i duke it out with q21 and two others still alive. should nuwen and i both be town, the other two remaining players aside from q can then have the same slugfest, but that way whoever loses does damage at a slower pace than a potential scum seraph having a 1 on 1 endgame with q.
So, sounds to me like the plan works unless:
1. Q is scum
2. both you and nuwen are scum
3. DGB is scum
4. Scum screwes thing up with rage points before plan comes together
That's kind of a lot of assumptions, but considering how many mislynches in a row we've had now, might be town's best shot.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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If I'm doing what? I haven't said anything about Fonz yet. Why would you think I was trying to protect Fonz?Nuwen wrote:What's the point of massclaiming, save locating any surviving cherubim for scum to kill off first? This setup is similar to smalltown - role is not indicative of alignment. Besides DGB, Rofl, and me, I'm guessing all or most surviving players are erelim.
If Yos is manipulating the kill order to preserve Fonz, why is Fonz being bumpeddownthe list? Yos' action hinges on Fonz's alignment, not vice-versa.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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populartajo wrote: I HAVENT TOLD SCUM MY TOTAL PLAN.
SO TRUST ME NOW AND YOS SHOULD START THE MASSCLAIM.
On a 1 to 10 scale of being convincing, "TRUST ME, I HAVE A SECRET PLAN" is a zero.
Especally since right now you're acting the way I would expect scum to react.
1. You're trying to get the town to whittle down townies who still have full heath (me, and I notice you're also attacking Fonz; I don't know if he's town, but it's worth noting), which is something scum would want to do, I'd think.
2. You're also trying to find out how many hitpoints townies have, which goes along with 1 as a scum tactic.
3. You lied to me and pretended to be confirmed, trying to take advantage of the fact I haven't had a chance to read the whole game to trick me into claiming.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I agree with DGB.DrippingGoofball wrote:
The order matters because the sooner we hit scum, the fewer RP they'll unleash from now until end game. It also matters because we'll be able to see connections between scum and other players earlier on.Nuwen wrote:The lynch list's order doesn't matter, since its entirety will end up inevitably.
I'll go along with the plan, but if we do, I'm really thinking we need to get rid of Tajo ASAP, unless there's some good reason not to in the part of the game I haven't read yet.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Can someone point me to the case against Fonz?Nuwen wrote:I won't splice hairs. Tajo dying sooner makes no difference in the three player endgame setup.
The Fonz
Firestarter
Tajo
Yos
DGB
Yes? Good?
I don't know if you guys are getting it - the goal is to get all three of us into an endgame situation. Either Rofl and I kill each other (scum will probably win this damage duel with rage) and then q21 kills the leftoverorwe autowin if Rofl really is town.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, you're right, I should start hurting people so we can get this plan going; at the rate this game is going, I don't know if I'll ever really catch up (although I'm going to keep trying), so I suppose I can't wait for that.q21 wrote:
No there isn't. Right now, though, I think that unified hurting of Fonz is important. In the cooldown period that will follow we can discuss exactly who goes next. Tajo's name will be on the list of possibilities.Yosarian2 wrote:
I agree with DGB.DrippingGoofball wrote:
The order matters because the sooner we hit scum, the fewer RP they'll unleash from now until end game. It also matters because we'll be able to see connections between scum and other players earlier on.Nuwen wrote:The lynch list's order doesn't matter, since its entirety will end up inevitably.
I'll go along with the plan, but if we do, I'm really thinking we need to get rid of Tajo ASAP, unless there's some good reason not to in the part of the game I haven't read yet.
Yosarian, your action is charged and ready. Go forth and use it well.
Anyone have a problem with me hurting Tajo right now?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Hmm...I did a quick skim of Fonz's posts, and wasn't impressed by most of what he's done since the Shin lynch. We're about to go out to the grocery story in a few minutes, and I should probably use my hurt first (lol...real conversation I just had. Malyss "Ok, come on, let's get going." Me: "One second, I have to hurt someone first.)
You're right, if rage points come every sunday (do we know that that's how it works, or was that just how it worked last game?) we do want to lynch someone before tommorow. I still think Tajo is scum, but if there is a bigger consensus on Fonz, I'll go with that for the sake of trying to beat that deadline.
Hurt:Fonz
But after this, we need to get rid of Tajo.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Hmm...looks like you're right, according to the mod's votecount.DrippingGoofball wrote:scum has unleashed its 6 RPs on Q21.
I suppose the scum are trying to disrupt the plan. On the other hand, I'm now 95% convinced q21 is town (it could be a crazy WIFOM scum gambit, but I doubt it). Which also means DGB is almost certanly confirmed, as we said earlier.
So, if q21 and DGB are both town, then the plan is a excellent idea. We need to move it foward as quickly as possible before the scum get more rage points.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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What DGB said. All players to L -1 means scum win instantly, dosn't it? If the scum can do 6 rage points a week, or whever, then if we put everyone to lynch -1, the scum kill everyone who's not scum basically at once, don't they?populartajo wrote: So, all players to L-1. Rolf and nuwen can help with this.
You're right that if we get to a point where the last person on the list is scum it would be bad; I already pointed that out, remember? However, q21 made a good point that DGB is probably town, and she's goign to be the last person left on the list.
Besides, "brining everyone to lynch -1" also isn't ideal because it means we're taking a long time random hurting everyoen and not actually killing anyone; your plan would give scum pleant of time to build up rage points and win the game, since we're not going to kill scum under your plan.
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All I know is, I would expect the scum to want to whittle down a townie with full hitpoints like me, and I would expect scum to try to find out how many hitpoints everyone has. Also, you lied about being confirmed. Plus, you trying to shoot down q21's plan, and instead replace it with a plan that seems to guarentee a scum win, makes me even more convinced you are scum.I imagine rolf calling me scum even when he refuses to answer blatant scummy shit. Interesting to note that Yos thinks Im scum just because Im attacking his predecesor without readinf the thread. Dude, read the thread, you are better than that.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Hmm. In the first games, were rage points individual, or do the scum hold them as a group? How does it work?The Fonz wrote:
Except that 1) that happened yesterday, so before the rage would have shown up and 2) at a time when i clearly wasn't online.Yosarian2 wrote:
Uh...unless that's what that 6 point rage dump on q21 was.The Fonz wrote:Oh and once last thing: the fact that i haven't dumped rage basically proves me town. But meh.
I had a whole theory in the back of my head that you may have hit q21 with rage points just so you could heal him and look pro-town, but if the timing dosn't work for that...hrmm. (thinks)I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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That's you're defense? Pfffttt.populartajo wrote: you are so full of shit, yos.
1. you are not a townie.
Bullshit. Getting everyone to claim means you find out how many hitpoints everyone has.2. my plan was to get a fallen arel not to find out how many hitpoints everyone has
Also, after rofl said this:
there was exactally zero chance a scum fallen arel would claim arel, and yet you kept pushing for a massclaim after that anyway, saying that you had some kind of "SECRET PLAN" (in all caps).Rofl wrote: dude a fallen arel makes perfect sense but HE'S NOT GONNA CLAIM AREL SO YOUR MASSCLAIM IS TEH STUPID ANYWAY.
So, no, whatever you were doing, you were clearly NOT trying to get a arel to claim, since you kept pushing a massclaim after that became impossible. Try again.
Why? "I'm town face it" is not an argument.3. i never lied about confirmed. im the most protown player of this group. face it
Right now, tajo, it sounds like the concencuss is that you need to be the next to die. If you have some actual argument for why you are town, you should make it, right now. You know, with quotes and an argument and stuff.
Lol.4. i NEVER tried to shoot down q21 plan. Im improving it.
So, your plan is that, instead of lynching people, we bring everyone to lynch -1, giving you and your scumbuddies more time to build up rage, and then waste zeal points that q21 might need in endgame to finish people off? How is that an improvement?
So, please DIE.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Not really, no; he was my main suspect for a while, as I made clear. The "rofl and nuwen kill each other plan" should take care of that problem, though, assuming no more then one of the two of them is scum.populartajo wrote:Yos, you think rolf is town?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You keep saying this over and over again, but you keep refusing to explain WHY we should consider you obv town.populartajo wrote: YOU ARE MISSING THE FACT THAT IM OBV TOWN, YOU DA.
Convince me you're town. Use quotes ,or arguments, or whatever you've got. Show examples of you acting in a pro-town way. Make a case. Or convince me someone else is a better lynch then you are. Because you repeating "I AM TOWN" over and over again is not going to do it.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Ah, sorry to hear that.populartajo wrote: im fucked up in a hosp bed and im not in my house comfortably sit to run calculations or hunt for quotes.
Well, at the moment, it really looks like you're the most likely scum, that's the thing; and we can't hestiate, we can't wait, we need to lynch scum FAST before the rage recharges. And at the moment you are still the most likely suspect.
You say q21 has botloads of HPs but it wont matter when scum can hurt in thread and with rage.
You're right, it's a little disturbing that everyone (well, other then you, I guess) are all going along with the plan. What's your theory for why the plan won't work, then? You worried that, say, rofl and nuwen might both be scum?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Yes, tajo, I pointed that out long before you did.populartajo wrote: the plan wont work if all the players left alive with q21, rolf-nuwen and dgb are scum. stalemate there and they wont hurt each other anymore.
DGB is mostly confirmed at this point, I think. So, again, do you really think both rofl and nuwenn are scum? If they are, then the plan would cost the town the game.
Convince me that they are more likely to both scum then you are to be scum, and we can lynch one of them instead of you.
Unless the scum think their best shot is to kill off q21 with rage points before the plan can happen. In which case, the scum would be trying to stall, delay, wave their arms wildly, and do whatever it takes to slow us down right now.therefore the q21 plan wont be implemented by scum and it will become a hurt race that we know scum will win.
I think it's likely, yeah, especally considering your anti-town behavior in the last several pages.after all that have said, you still think I am scum?
Plus, honestly, we're kind of in a position where I'm hoping you are scum becasue if you're not we're in really deep trouble; wheras if you are, with only a few HP left, and we hurry up and finish you off before we can do much more damage, we may have a shot.
I made my case for why I think you're scum. Tour early game behavior when you argued stratagy instead of scumhunting for basically the entire first 30 pages, your mudslinging, your incredibly anti-town plans. And your only response was to say "I'M OBV CONFIRMED TOWN" over and over again in all caps.Know something, I shouldnt prove Im town, you should prove Im scum.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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What are you talking about? Where did I "misrepresent" you? And if so, why didn't you say so the first 3 or so times I made those exact points against you?populartajo wrote:also i meant to say that that las post from yosarian is a big misrepresentation of what i did and what i said ALL the game-
Oh Lord. I should painfully see what?if you are town, you should pianfully see it and dont be fooled by scum.
Convince me, convince us, that you're town, or that rofl is scum, or SOME bloody thing, but you need to actually make arguments and respond to things and stuff. Declartive statements about how "I AM TOWN" and "YOS IS SCUM" or whatever are worthless to us.
Why did you do this pointless OMGUS post instead of actually responding to my post, Tajo? You scum giving up? Or scum trying to find an excuse to hurt a townie one more time before you die?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So...we start to do that, put a few players at or close to lynch -1, what's to stop scum from just killing a bunch of pro-town players and winning? Or just continuing to rage-dump on q21, kill him, and winning, since you plan basically means we aren't going to lynch anyone until q21 can kill everyone at once?populartajo wrote:Firestarter
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This is our list of players. If we assume 4 scum alive, we are fucked up.
We have to assume 3 scum alive, that DGB and q21 are town and that there is one scum between rolf and Nuwen.
So we are left with the following players:
Yosarian, populartajo and Firestarter.
THERE HAS TO BE AT LEAST ONE SCUM in this group. What about if we make the wrong decision today (killing me instead of Yos is the wrong decision, but hey thats me)? You are left with scum ready to hurt in thread and with rage.
Rather, we put all these players at L-1 and kill them at the same time. Me included.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I attack you and hurt you.populartajo wrote: oh look yos is attacking me of omgus when I attacked him first, even when he was Giuseppe.
In response, instead of responding to any of my actual points, you just decleared me scum, claimed I somehow "misrepresented" you (which I certanly didn't), and declared an "intent to hurt" on me instead of responding to my attack in you.
Attacking your attacker, in order to avoid having to defend against the valid points he's making against you, is, by definition, an OMGUS attack. And that is exactally what you were doing. The fact you were attacking Giuseppe earlier represents nothing, especally considering you just hurt rofl like 6 hours ago.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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:eyebrow: no opinions?populartajo wrote: pretty strange why he thinks Im OBV scum when he has offered NO OPINIONS on anyone else, huh?
How can you attack me for not being able to read the entire game, when you were in the game the whole time and are clearly not even reading my posts?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Considering the way Tajo hurt Rofl, I doubt they are scum together.
If tajo flips scum, Rofl has to be town. At that point, the remaining scum would almost certanly be Nuwen and Fire; we would want to kill them ASAP, Nuwen first since he's the bigger threat in a race.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um...if you are seriously suggesting that me, rofl, and nuwen are scum, tajo, then your plan would almost certanly cost the town the game. You realize that, right?populartajo wrote:
no, use this:roflcopter wrote:i'm gonna let q21 call it. whichever of tajo and yos he wants to die next is who i will hurt when i can.
if we put yos and me at l-1 then i would be happy with my dead cuz ill come up town and yos will be obv scum.
then we avoid considerably the problem of lynching the town in this situation.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Right.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Close to impossible.Yosarian2 wrote:Considering the way Tajo hurt Rofl, I doubt they are scum together.
Q21: You listening? IF tajo flip scum, Nuwen basically has to be his scumbuddy, and we have to hit him hard ASAP, with everything we've got, including whatever zeal points you have.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, not better off, of course not.DrippingGoofball wrote:What happens is tajo is town, and copter is scum?
Are we still better off killing tajo first?
But, would it still be winnable?
(thinks)
Ok, let me see...last vote count was:
(checks first post) If rofl is the standard role from page 1, he started with 12 hitpoints, so he would have 7 left.Mr. Flay wrote:
If Tajo is dead and town, and rofl is alive and scum...uh....well, it would depend on how many zeal points q21 has. If q21 has, say, 3, and there are 2 other townies left...I donno, might be winnable, especally if the scum screw up the timing and don't make all their hits.
Why, do you think rofl is more likely scum then tajo at this point?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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"without thinking about it very much"?populartajo wrote: lol, possible.
its pretty obvious, yos is also asking for my lynch without thinking it very much, i think the dichotomy is between he and me.
I've been explaining my suspicions of you for days now, and you just keep refusing to respond in any kind of rational way other then blind OMGUS and random unexplained "I AM CONFIRMED TOWN YOU IDIOTS" statements.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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lol...you've been trying to convince us for the past 2 pages that the q21 plan would cost the town the game because "no one was arguing against it", tajo. And now you're accusing me of "tryign to plot against the plan"?populartajo wrote: let q21 decide, scumbag.
dont get too impatient and stop trying to complot against q21 plan
Flailing scum Tajo thought he had a chance of getting rofl on his side, is my best guess.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I just explained this, you know. You're attacking me in order to avoid having to defend yourself against my rational arguments against you, that's why it's an OMGUS attack.populartajo wrote:
how is this OMGUS when I was the first attacking you?Yosarian2 wrote:
"without thinking about it very much"?populartajo wrote: lol, possible.
its pretty obvious, yos is also asking for my lynch without thinking it very much, i think the dichotomy is between he and me.
I've been explaining my suspicions of you for days now, and you just keep refusing to respond in any kind of rational way other then blind OMGUS and random unexplained "I AM CONFIRMED TOWN YOU IDIOTS" statements.
LolI never said the town that they were idiots.
Please STOP TWISTING MY WORDS, LYING SCUMBAGpopulartajo wrote: you have no mind?
really, this town SO deserves to lose.
You're right; you didn't say the town was idiots, you just said that the town "had no mind", "deserved to lose", and that we were "retarted".populartajo wrote:Im not going to bother with a defense when the retarded townies left are being guided by obv scum.
...This is one of the most retarded towns Ive seen in a while. Seriously.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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DGB asked about what happens if we lynch Tajo and he's town.roflcopter wrote:now i'm wondering how many scum there are, because people are suddenly talking about consensus killing me after killing tajo, and the scum wouldn't need to get that kind of agreement out of the town if there are still four of them alive.
I doubt that's going to happen, though; the key thing is, we lynch tajo and he flips scum, that means Nuwen is his buddy, and we need to pile on Nuwen ASAP, because his extra damage would then probably be the biggest threat the scum has left.
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Dude, you were focusing on the wrong part. I just quoted that because you accused me of lying.populartajo wrote: Yeah this town deserves to lose. I apologize for the insults, though.
Look, yos, you just want to make me look bad against town, i was pissed and you are just taking an advantage of it, classical scum behaviour.
I don't care if you insult the town, or even if suspect me or whatever. I care if you insult the town and attack me AS A WAY TO AVOID DEFENDING YOURSELF. That was the point.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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If my case against you is garbage, then PROVE IT, that's how mafia is played.populartajo wrote: i dont need to answer to garbage, thx very much.
I JUST WANT YOU AND ME dead now.
If you can't do that, then just keep trying to play on people's paranoia and emotions if you want, it won't save you.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Right; that was your point, and that was why I started to wonder if perhaps we shouldn't follow the plan. And yet, because I listened to you and thought about what you said, suddenly I "have to be scum"?populartajo wrote:Am I wrong when I say that its weird that all people are supporting this plan when there 3-4 scum alive?
I dont think so.
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Reasons you continually refuse to actually, like, give.populartajo wrote: No, you are scum for other reasons.
Yes, you did. The "let's massclaim and then put a bunch of people to lynch -1 while the scum keeps raging us all to death" plan is completly different from q21's plan, and your plan would cause a town loss, guarneteed.We HAVE to follow the plan. I never said dont follow the plan..
Also; why do "we HAVE to follow the plan" when you were just saying a few pages ago that the plan would cause a town loss? Really feels like you're just grasping at straws here, tajo...
Ok, so convince us that fire is scum and you're not. Or convince me that we should lynch rofl today instead of you. Or something. You know, play mafia, try to lynch the scum, all that; basically, the exact opposite of what you've been doing since I joined the game.What Im preventing is the extremely likely scenario of all scum alive against q21-Nuwen/rolf and DGB. If you and Fire are scum, you wont obviously hurt each other and start a damage race against the three prob townies alive.
I need to go back and count how many times you've called yourself town while giving no reasons at all for it in the last 20 pages. You've probably set a new record.I think this is the scum plan and this was all the time since they first killed fonz which was obv town and then they are trying to kill me which at the same time Im obv town.
I think that you're better then this; I think if you were town, you would actually be scumhunting, or defending yourself, or proposing good plans, or something. All you're doing is to keep suggesting new plans that would screw the town, repeately contradicting yourself, finding weak excuses to attack me and rofl, and refusing to answer questions or respond to anything.I really think you are better than this, yos...I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um...putting us at lynch -1 IS stalling; we should just be killing the scum instead of playing games with the hit points, we don't have that kind of time to screw around.populartajo wrote:No, no, Yos, too much stalling.
We need you, me and Fire at L-1.
At this point, if there are 3 scum, I think the most likely scenerio is you are scum, nuwen is scum, and fire is scum.That way we cant kill all the remaining scum and me at the same time.
Who do you think is town and scum?
If you are town, then that would probably have to mean...I don't know what that would mean. ROFL scum+Nuwen scum? Or perhaps ROFL scum+Nuwen scum+fire scum? I donno. I have trouble coming up with a likely scenerio that involves you being town.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Pfft, like I'm going to be scared off by something like that. Been around the block too many times to be scared off a good wagon by that kind of scum tactic, tajo...populartajo wrote: Im town that means you are scum, right yos?
Either you're scum, or one of our other assumptions is incorrect. (the other assumptions being; there are exactally 3 scum; one and only one of the serephem is scum; q21 is town; dgb is town) Out of all those assumptions, the two I'm least confident about are the "there are exactally 3 scum" one and the "one and only one of the serephem are scum" one. Still, I think there's about a 90% chance you're scum based on the setup information we have, higher because of your scummy behavior.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So...he thought rofl was obvtown, then he was unhappy about rofl taking unilareral action, and then finally, after Kinetic died due partly to ROFL's unilateral damage, he thought rofl was scummy?populartajo wrote:Different stances towards rolfGiu wrote:On a different note, Rofl feels quite town to me, in his own way.Giu wrote:Alright Xyl, I don't believe Rofl should be able to be acting as unilaterally as he is. I've been saying all game I don't believe in unilateral action, and I'll stand to it.Giu wrote:I'm not tolerating anything unilateral. Heal Xyl right now to make up for Rofl's work.
ORLY?Giu wrote:I totally disagree that Rofl is obvtown. He's been doing nothing but undermining our attempts at organization this entire game, and pretty much arranged all on his own for Kinetic to get killed by Rage Points.
That's not exactally inconsistant, you know...looks more like a perfectly normal changing of the mind based on new information.
Um; I knew it was a speed game, I knew it had gotten to 145 pages in only a few weeks, and I knew that every town person had a chance to do a point of damage once every 24 hours from my role PM. You really think that's an unreasonable question, to check if there was anything urgent I needed to do before taking the time to read the thread?
This was the first time you reading the thread and you know that there is something urgent you need to know?Yos wrote:Hi, everyone, replacing in.
I'll try to get caught up as quickly as possible. Until then, anything urgent I need to know or need to do?
Not really sure what to say about the rest of Giu's posts...looks like he changed his mind about if healing was a good idea along the way, but he certanly wasn't the only one who did.
Also, it's rather scummy for you to try to do a WIFOM attack here where that you're attacking Giu because YOU were trying to lynch a townie, Xyl, and Giu wasn't willing to just trust you and follow your lead.
Yeah, I know you were on the Shinnen wagon, but that dosn't make my comment any less accurate; other then that, you really seemed to devote all your time to stratagy to the complete exclusion of anything else; you went as far as to just basically copy and paste the same ALL CAPS LETTERS post over and over again for pages while all kinds of interesting scum hunting was going on without you. So, yeah, your play really does look like you using stratagy arguments to avoid actually hunting scum or analyzing players.
This is false. I was on the players that hunted shinnen and called her obv scum since day 1.Yos wrote:Page 22:
I thought populartajo’s stratagy suggestions sounded reasonably pro-town when he first made them, but it’s really starting to seem like he’s just repeating his stratagy argument over and over again while not hunting for scum at all. Fos:tajo
I thought he was obv town for part of my read through, then had doubts in the later part of the readthrough, if you were paying attention.
last try to make q21 look bad before he becomes prob confirmed town. Also, I love how yos didnt protect ABR when he thought he was obv town and he even asked if he was at L-1.Yos wrote:q21: Interesting. I'm not really sure why you first hurt Nuwen and then unloaded your firepower onto Albert, though.
Anyway, what do you mean "protect"? What, do you expect me to heal him or something? Wouldn't that have been a terrible play? Also, what's wrong with pointing out when someone was at L -1 because I didn't want anyone to hammer him without knowing.
No; q21 was right, I needed to just hurt someone fast at that point for the good of the town, rather then wait any longer and waste my "vote". I wasn't especally happy about the Fonz lynch, I would have much rather lynched you as I made it clear, but since I hadn't read the whole thread yet, I was willing to follow along the two people I was most sure were pro-town at the time, q21 and DGB, especally since the need for town concensuss seemed obvious.
Setting up mislynches, huh? With NO CASE on him and you havent even read the thread entirely.Yos wrote:Hmm...I did a quick skim of Fonz's posts, and wasn't impressed by most of what he's done since the Shin lynch. We're about to go out to the grocery story in a few minutes, and I should probably use my hurt first .
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But after this, we need to get rid of Tajo.
Twisting your words? How the hell am I twisting your words? You keep saying this, claiming I'm "misrepresenting" you or whever, but you keep refusing to explain why. As far as I can see, I haven't misrepresented you at all.Then it all comes garbage attacks that make no sense to answer since Yosarian is TWISTING my words every time he can and trying to make me look bad.
You were being damn confusing with the argument you were trying to make, Tajo, and I was trying to figure out what you were getting at, which is why I *ASKED* you about that.Also, have you already answered this?
WHEN THE FUCK DID I SAY THAT NUWEN AND ROLF HAVE TO BE SCUM TOGETHER?
I thought that was what you were saying here:
Although, reading it again, I guess that's not what you were saying. So, my mistake. It'd sure be a lot easier to figure out what you were talking about if you actually answered questions once in a while, though, rather then just shouting the same garbage over and over again in all caps.Tajo wrote:the plan wont work if all the players left alive with q21, rolf-nuwen and dgb are scum. stalemate there and they wont hurt each other anymoreI want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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The plan is fucked, dude. It was fucked as soon as tajo flipped town.Firestarter wrote: Nuwens hurt on rofl was not part of Q21's plan, right?
Out only chance now, our only hope, is to kill the scum serephem so we have a shot at winning the damage race. In other words, we have to kill rofl.
I made this clear days ago, dude; weren't you paying attention?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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