War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[populartajo]

TAJO WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME! <3

Ophans start with the same HP right? 8?

Answer my question first.

[populartajo]

unless the claimed ophan is also scum

BRILLIANT

You know, you have to stop here and start considering this possibility since DGB is pretty much town right now.
The last game had 2 town Ophans. It was a mini. I expect at least 3 town Ophans in this game.
so unless you have another Ophan hiden, DGB cant be scum.

[populartajo]

Why does ABR get away with hurting Seraphim?

Because according to the vote count, Seraphim is the vote leader.

We hadn't had a new votecount? I thought Weyouns was the last one killed by the last set of votes? And I thought we're starting with a new one after his flip.

Why did you start playing right now?
You were angry with Xyl why?

[populartajo]

Tajo, Xyl, Rolf: What do you think on my notes above on Post 560?

What are your conclusions of your post?
The same I ask to Nuwen.
Conclusions, people, conclusions.

[populartajo]

this is a clusterfuck. i'll reconsider finishing off xyl. at midnight-ish one of xyl and seraphim is getting smacked.

So you avoided my reasoning why?

[populartajo]

Why does ABR get away with hurting Seraphim?

Because according to the vote count, Seraphim is the vote leader.

We hadn't had a new votecount? I thought Weyouns was the last one killed by the last set of votes? And I thought we're starting with a new one after his flip.

Why did you start playing right now?
You were angry with Xyl why?

Again, would rather me to "start playing" later? Why are you questioning me standing up for what I think is right, right now?
I wasn't "angry" with Xyl. I just feel annoyed that nobody is supporting his lynch when he has done quite a number of suspicious things, especially subtle ones.

You think Xyl is still scum?

[populartajo]

Tenchi who is scum right now for you?
Who is town?

[populartajo]

Howling winds rise at your backs, and the skies turn an ugly purple-blue color, like an old bruise. Some faces look grim, some angered, and some merely pained as the chaos swirls and rages around you.

SECOND DAMAGE TALLY OF THE TWENTIETH ÆON

q21 is at 1 HP above his normal maximum.

Giuseppe, Nuwen, roflcopter, and The Fonz are all at normal HP.

Albert B. Rampage, DrippingGoofball, and populartajo have 1 damage each.
Seraphim has 2 damage.
Tenchi has 3 damage.
Firestarter has 3 damage.
Xylthixlm has 6 damage.

Shit.
Can we rule out the possibility that scum can damage each other or everybody has received damage so far?

[populartajo]

Xyl, who has been hurt by scum and who hasnt?
And of these hurts, who are the strangest ones?
Can you help me here?

[populartajo]

Secret damage as of post 2911:
3 points of secret damage were used to kill Kinetic.
6 points of secret damage were used to kill vIQleS.
3 points of secret damage were used to kill zwetschenwasser.
1 point of secret damage was dealt to Nuwen.
2 points of secret damage were dealt to DrippingGoofball.
1 point of secret damage was dealt to The Fonz.
2 points of secret damage were dealt to populartajo.


Note: Damage counts are based on public information and reasonable assumptions. It's always possible that there are two secret effects cancelling each other out.

[populartajo]

Im very tempted to say that scum cant use rage on each other.

[populartajo]

giuseppe and q21 hereby replace xyl and dgb on the list of obvscum

Maybe its time to realize how wrong you were?

[populartajo]

And of those in the top tiers, q21, Giuseppe, roflcopter, and ABR were spared. So far. So I don't know if we can read much into that.

I dont understand this.
You didnt see anything, did you?

[populartajo]

Im very tempted to say that scum cant use rage on each other.

I can't see why they couldn't. One can always hope that they'd be

that

retarded.

I mean that they havent used rage on themselves

yet

. (if they can)

[populartajo]

Xyl, please who got hurt by rage points? I need this.

[populartajo]

What are you talking about, DGB?
What does spare mean?

[populartajo]

What are you talking about, DGB?
What does spare mean?

It means they were not hit. I don't think I can explain it any better than I have, maybe someone else can try and help you understand my French.

So you dont think the players that were hurt are likely town?

[populartajo]

OKAY, IM SICK OF THIS SHIT.
THERE IS A REASON WHY WE HAVE HEALING AS A TOWN POWER. MAYBE ITS TIME TO USE IT MASSIVELY AS A WAY TO HELP THE PLAYERS THAT ARE PROB TOWN.
SCUM CANT HAVE MORE RAGE. IF THEY HAVE MORE RAGE THEN WE ARE LIKELY GOING TO LOSE.

TOWN
TAJO
FONZ
DGB
XYL
FIRESTARTER

NON TOWN
TENCHI
Q21
SERAPHIM
ABR
GIUSEPPE

ONE OF THEM IS TOWN LIST
NUWEN
ROLF

TOWN LIST ARE FREE TO HURT THE SCUMMIEST PLAYER IN THE NON-TOWN LIST. TENCHI.
NON TOWN LIST SHOULD HEAL ONE OF THE TOWN LIST.
"ONE OF THEM IS TOWN" LIST. WE SHOULD DECIDE THIS NOW. THERE IS A SCUM IN THIS PAIR AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH HIM/HER RIGHT NOW.

THOUGHTS?

[populartajo]

TENCHI NEEDS TO DIE INMEDIATELY.

[populartajo]

ROLF, DONT HURT SERAPHIM TONIGHT. HURT NUWEN. WE HAVE TO KNOW WHO OF YOU IS SCUM.
DO THIS ONLY AND ONLY IF YOU ARE TOWN.

[populartajo]

TENCHI NEEDS TO DIE INMEDIATELY.

What happened to the vote count?

This game moves so fast. We have clear evidence that Tenchi needs to die.

[populartajo]

TENCHI NEEDS TO DIE INMEDIATELY.

What happened to the vote count?

This game moves so fast. We have clear evidence that Tenchi needs to die.

Also, scum are about to win the game if we dont move fast. Votes are indeed slow for this situation.

[populartajo]

ROLF, DONT HURT SERAPHIM TONIGHT. HURT NUWEN. WE HAVE TO KNOW WHO OF YOU IS SCUM.
DO THIS ONLY AND ONLY IF YOU ARE TOWN.

Neat. I didn't know we could tell players to act in one way if they're town, and another if they're scum.

Could all scum just start hurting each other right now?

Much obliged,
Nuwen

Nuwen, I have been saying that one of you or rolf are scum. You agree with this or not?

[populartajo]

ROLF, DONT HURT SERAPHIM TONIGHT. HURT NUWEN. WE HAVE TO KNOW WHO OF YOU IS SCUM.
DO THIS ONLY AND ONLY IF YOU ARE TOWN.

Not a good idea!

When the time comes for us to kill one or the other, the town should decide which one goes first. Nuwen has already absorbed some scum rage points, so she's already weaker than copter. And copter is scummier than Nuwen. In any event, both should start with about the same number of HPs. We decide which to kill first. If that player is scum, then we SPARE (new word for you tajo!) the other. If that player is town, then we dump hurt on the other player.

Not that copter takes any advice... But tajo, don't give him worse advice than what he comes up with himself.

I DONT CARE WHO DIES FIRST. I WANT ANY OF THEM DEAD.

[populartajo]

I think there have been cases throughout the game.

And I have appropriately defended myself. My absence, my "timing" and the people I suspected and cleared.

If there is anything I missed, kindly restate them.

You supported my voting strategy but then you hurt Xyl with no reason at all.
That is your case.
You need to die.

[populartajo]

I DONT CARE WHO DIES FIRST. I WANT ANY OF THEM DEAD.

It's important, we have to try to kill the scummiest one first. At random, it's probably 50%, according to your theory (and Nuwen seems to agree with this). Maybe if we make an effort to kill the worst one first, odds will be 60% in our favor. Mafia is a game of millimeters. Every little bit counts.

Kay, kay, Im relaxing right now.
You prefer Nuwen. Why?

[populartajo]

Maybe people don't think you're defense is suitable?

Or, better yet, who do you think is scum? Or, even better, what do you think of all the players in the game still alive? Who is scum and who is town?

I will repeat it for the umpteenth time:

TOWN: ROLF, TAJO, FONZ
SCUM: XYL, DGB, SERAPHIM

(Things are changing in this list, but I have to recompose myself)

You still think DGB is scum?
DIE.

[populartajo]

Hm, well, judging by my presence on Tajo's big, all-caps list of Non-Town players, I suppose at the very least I should follow his instructions, that I might work towards validating myself in his eyes.

Haha, my sarcasm detector isn't broken, thanks for testing it!

I have one question for you.
Please tell me all your Ophan targets until the last one.

[populartajo]

Maybe people don't think you're defense is suitable?

Or, better yet, who do you think is scum? Or, even better, what do you think of all the players in the game still alive? Who is scum and who is town?

I will repeat it for the umpteenth time:

TOWN: ROLF, TAJO, FONZ
SCUM: XYL, DGB, SERAPHIM

(Things are changing in this list, but I have to recompose myself)

All players, please. And list reasons. I'm guessing you don't believe that DGB cleared Xyl?

That is one of the factors I am reconsidering. But I'm willing to risk lynching Xyl over DGB if it was between the two them.

Fail. It's not "between DGB and Xyl", it's "DGB clears Xyl".

Actually if there is one confirmed is DGB, since its the only Ophan left.
You could have used rage in the last set of attacks...
DGB, please tell me you were still watching Xyl.

[populartajo]

Kay, kay, Im relaxing right now.
You prefer Nuwen. Why?

I do think Nuwen should die second, if copter is town. Nuwen has made thoughtful cases, she is willing to die to prove herself, and she suffered scum damage. Copter has been hiding behind his aggressive meta to kill townies without making the effort of trying to convince others of the merit of his cases. He didn't even want to stop double-hurting Xyl! It's as if he's using his power as much as he can, knowing he'll die quickly, but creating as much damage as he can in the meantime. He has suffered no scum damage. He's like a Kamikaze Seraph.

When the time comes, we should make a COLLECTIVE decision, say, with a 24 hour deadline.

You make good points. The only thing that bothers me about Nuwen is her Walt hammer and her drunk posts. Maybe its time the rabbit dies.

[populartajo]

That is one of the factors I am reconsidering. But I'm willing to risk lynching Xyl over DGB if it was between the two them.

Fail. It's not "between DGB and Xyl", it's "DGB clears Xyl".

The issue of that is the fact that I'm not dismissing that there could be scum Ophan, given that Townies have roles too.

I won't dispute you for believing DGB.[/quote]
No. Scum dont have Ophans.

[populartajo]

No. Scum dont have Ophans.

How can you be sure?

There is only 3 claimed Ophans. Nobody else seems to have hinted that he is an Ophan. Last game, town had 2 Ophans and scum 0 Ophans. Scum and town had both 1 Seraphim. It was a mini. Therefore, its pretty safe to assume that there are no scum ophans and that there are 2 Seraphims for side.
Anything else?
In the worst scenario, your flip is going to give us valuable information. Even if you are town.
What are you going to do when you are recharged?

[populartajo]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die. thats not going to happen though. and tajo suddenly undermining his own voting system to force his will of a tenchi kill on the town instead of killing you is extremely obvious.

scum sense the end is in sight. i imagine after tenchi town dies, then scum force through a decision on me or nuwen, kill me first and game over scum wins.

what the fuck are you talking about?
Im admitting the voting system is slow for this situation. And NOBODY was giving a shit about it. It was perfect before scum used rage on almost half the town. Its retarded now when we have evidence on people being scum.
You really think Tenchi is town?
WTF?

[populartajo]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die.

Good, we agree on something.

I am willing to die if my death causes rofl to die.

Ok, rolf kill this guy. I cant take out of my mind the idea that both him and Xyl are prob using me.

[populartajo]

after we kill seraphim and he comes up scum, we kill tajo

After we kill me and I turn up town, we'll kill you. Or, rather, we kill you and you turn up scum first.

by all means, if you die and come up town, i should die.

Good, we agree on something.

I am willing to die if my death causes rofl to die.

Ok, rolf kill this guy. I cant take out of my mind the idea that both him and Xyl are prob using me.

Rolf do this. Seriously. Its the only thing you can do if you want town to win.

[populartajo]

No. Scum dont have Ophans.

How can you be sure?

There is only 3 claimed Ophans. Nobody else seems to have hinted that he is an Ophan. Last game, town had 2 Ophans and scum 0 Ophans. Scum and town had both 1 Seraphim. It was a mini. Therefore, its pretty safe to assume that there are no scum ophans and that there are 2 Seraphims for side.
Anything else?
In the worst scenario, your flip is going to give us valuable information. Even if you are town.
What are you going to do when you are recharged?

Are you saying the best play for a Hidden Ophan to do is out himself at this point?

I am not sure what to do when I'm recharged. Anything can happen.

Tenchi, pick one: heal me or heal me.

[populartajo]

tajo is scum. you heard it here first, a long long time ago.

Are you going to kill Seraphim, yes or no?

[populartajo]

tajo is scum. you heard it here first, a long long time ago.

Are you going to kill Seraphim, yes or no?

are you going to get your head out of your ass and help me?

So you want me to help you with seraph but at the same time I am scum? How does this work?

[populartajo]

And dont avoid the question. You think Tenchi is town, why?

[populartajo]

wagon built on him too fast. he's being made a scapegoat by all the scumbags. xyl never lurkerhunted him when he was actually lurking.

would they be too obvious?
thats why i said that we need his flip. if tenchi comes up town, the scum would be obvious.
but i dont think he will. this player is not precisely the most protown in the game, ya know?

[populartajo]

wagon built on him too fast. he's being made a scapegoat by all the scumbags. xyl never lurkerhunted him when he was actually lurking.

would they be too obvious?
thats why i said that we need his flip. if tenchi comes up town, the scum would be obvious.
but i dont think he will. this player is not precisely the most protown in the game, ya know?

no, stop that. see, this is why you are obvscum. you don't kill someone because you "need their flip." you don't kill someone because they're "not the most protown." you kill them because they are SCUM. and you certainly don't do a test lynch on somone when the scum could be one or two mislynches away from WINNING THE FUCKING GAME.

scum make bad excuses to mislynch people. you are making bad excuses to mislynch tenchi. you are scum.

I think he is scummy and I need his flip. Do I win a prize?

[populartajo]

wagon built on him too fast. he's being made a scapegoat by all the scumbags. xyl never lurkerhunted him when he was actually lurking.

And you don't think the wagon built on me too fast? That the number of people going after my blood radically increased?

My wagon came in IN TWO PAGES. After Tajo called it out. Then it's the Tenchi needs to die mantra.

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Please scumlist updated NAO.

[populartajo]

wagon built on him too fast. he's being made a scapegoat by all the scumbags. xyl never lurkerhunted him when he was actually lurking.

would they be too obvious?
thats why i said that we need his flip. if tenchi comes up town, the scum would be obvious.
but i dont think he will. this player is not precisely the most protown in the game, ya know?

no, stop that. see, this is why you are obvscum. you don't kill someone because you "need their flip." you don't kill someone because they're "not the most protown." you kill them because they are SCUM. and you certainly don't do a test lynch on somone when the scum could be one or two mislynches away from WINNING THE FUCKING GAME.

scum make bad excuses to mislynch people. you are making bad excuses to mislynch tenchi. you are scum.

The irony here is that Tenchi is advocating a test lynch on me despite my being cleared by DGB.

Uh, helloo-oo?

You are not confirmed, Xyl. You could have used rage points in the latest rage attack.
Thats why I need Seraphim's flip too.

[populartajo]

tajo, you need all these flips to determine what exactly? that when tenchi and i are dead the scum will win?

no.
If seraphim is lynched and he comes up town then I can semiconfirm xyl as town and semiconfirm you as scum.
If serapgim is lynched and he comes up scum then I can semiconfirm xyl as scym and semiconfirm you as town.
See how this works?
We get rid of a scummy player and we semiconfirm a valuable player.
Follow my plan, NAO.

[populartajo]

wagon built on him too fast. he's being made a scapegoat by all the scumbags. xyl never lurkerhunted him when he was actually lurking.

And you don't think the wagon built on me too fast? That the number of people going after my blood radically increased?

My wagon came in IN TWO PAGES. After Tajo called it out. Then it's the Tenchi needs to die mantra.

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Please scumlist updated NAO.

It's the same. With DGB at 3rd.

What? Please, names.

[populartajo]

"semiconfirm" is a completely useless thing

No. Can you confirm someone 100&. I dont think so. You just think he is more prob town or more prob scum. You lynch the prob scum and you save the prob town. If we fail, rinse and repeat. If we succeed, profit!

[populartajo]

for the Umpteenth + 1 time

1. Xyl
2. Seraphim
...
3. DGB

You think DGB is a fallen Ophan?

[populartajo]

this game desperately wants fonz and firestarter to be more active, too many of the really active players are scum

I demand an updated scumlist.
Its pretty interesting that all players I think that you think are town are players that have not attacked you.

[populartajo]

No. Scum dont have Ophans.

How can you be sure?

There is only 3 claimed Ophans. Nobody else seems to have hinted that he is an Ophan. Last game, town had 2 Ophans and scum 0 Ophans. Scum and town had both 1 Seraphim. It was a mini. Therefore, its pretty safe to assume that there are no scum ophans and that there are 2 Seraphims for side.
Anything else?
In the worst scenario, your flip is going to give us valuable information. Even if you are town.
What are you going to do when you are recharged?


Did you read this?

[populartajo]

Can I get support to Hurt Seraphim please?


Im ready to unload a world of hurt on scum, before bed!!

Rolf is supporting you.

[populartajo]

Can I get support to Hurt Seraphim please?


Im ready to unload a world of hurt on scum, before bed!!

Can you please answer my questions? Why am I scum? Kthxbai.

So this doesn't get buried.

Seraphim you need to die. You are too scummy to be left alive. Your flip is valuable information, also. Sorry if you are town.

[populartajo]

Xyl, please answer my post.

[populartajo]

No. Scum dont have Ophans.

How can you be sure?

There is only 3 claimed Ophans. Nobody else seems to have hinted that he is an Ophan. Last game, town had 2 Ophans and scum 0 Ophans. Scum and town had both 1 Seraphim. It was a mini. Therefore, its pretty safe to assume that there are no scum ophans and that there are 2 Seraphims for side.

We have around ten players unclaimed, minus the firm believers (2-4 people) still gives us five(?) people.

I am not clearing DGB just because of his claim.

Okay, Ill ask this. ANYBODY THAT IS AN OPHAN SHOULD CLAIM RIGHT NOW.
I doubt we get any responses but this might change your mind.

[populartajo]

Xyl, please answer my post.

Uh, which post? There's too much stuff going by right now.

The one where you are not cleared because DGB watched you in the massive rage attack. You could have used rage in the last small attack.

[populartajo]

BOTH SERAPHIM AN TENCHI NEED TO DIE.
Im pretty sure one of them is scum and would confirm their masterminds.
YES WE CAN.
*shines.

[populartajo]

Okay, Ill ask this. ANYBODY THAT IS AN OPHAN SHOULD CLAIM RIGHT NOW.
I doubt we get any responses but this might change your mind.

The thing is, I don't think this is the right course of action for an Ophan at this point.

Let's see what happens.

I think it is. Until now, there is no reason to think otherwise, so please update your scumlist nao.

[populartajo]

I just realized that we dont need to hurt two effectively impossible scumpartners.

Hurt : Seraphim

Xyl, your next hurt should be in this player.

[populartajo]

Seraphim you may as well claim and use your last charge to heal firestarter.

[populartajo]

Heal DrippingGoofball

You are stalling Sraphim's result. Why?

[populartajo]

Heal DrippingGoofball

You are stalling Sraphim's result. Why?

I'd like it to be as hard as possible for the scum to ragekill our last Ophan.

You know that our goal is to kill scum not save an Ophan, right?

[populartajo]

Actually, it would be cool if everyone on your town list had at least 7 HP. I don't want more rage deaths.

Will you still support that if I told you that you are not in the town list anymore?

[populartajo]

An Ophan will help keep the scum from dropping more rage.

You think they care now that the game is about to end?

[populartajo]

Actually, it would be cool if everyone on your town list had at least 7 HP. I don't want more rage deaths.

Will you still support that if I told you that you are not in the town list anymore?

As long as your town list doesn't include Tenchi or roflcopter.

Do you think Seraphim is town?

[populartajo]

* This means that the town will do better in the damage race if they heal rage damage instead of hurting scum.

This is not true and its based in a weak asumption. WE HAVE NO IDEA how rage works in this game.

[populartajo]

A Metatron, WTF?

[populartajo]

Xyl, how many rage did scum use this time?
And why did they kill Tenchi now?

[populartajo]

From wiki.

Metatron (Hebrew מטטרון or מיטטרון) is the name of an angel in Judaism and some branches of Christianity and Islam. There are no references to him in the Jewish Tanakh (Old Testament), Christian Scriptures (New Testament), or the Quran. Although he is mentioned in a few brief passages in the Talmud, Metatron appears primarily in medieval Jewish mystical texts and other post-scriptural esoteric and occult sources. In Rabbinic tradition he is the highest of the angels and serves

as the celestial scribe

, though there is no consensus as to his genesis, nor is there a Christian consensus on his position in the hierarchy of angels.[1]

What does a scribe do?

[populartajo]

Flay posted this in the other game.

I may give the Ophanim a 1-week observation next time, instead of 48 hours - they hardly ever actually caught anything, and because of how their role worked it was impossible to 'clear' anyone.

I may also add a 'Bodyguard' type that would protect from secret attacks, again for a certain length of time. Of course, they would be detectable by Ophanim...

May tweak the scum kill method a bit, still thinking about that one. Otherwise, aside from being a LITTLE more careful on recording Hurts/Heals (I have a big spreadsheet for you guys), I think it worked pretty well.

Thanks to all the pre-ins and the like. I'll let you know when the next installment comes up!

[populartajo]

Me thinks Tenchi was a bodyguard protecting someone else. His kill makes no sense right now.

[populartajo]

This also from wiki

Some sources claim that Metatron prevented Abraham from sacrificing Isaac.[2]

[populartajo]

WHO IS NOT USING HURT/HEAL NOW?
WE MIGHT NEED TO CONTROL THIS TOO.
PLEASE STATE THE TIME OF YOUR NEXT RECHARGE IN YOUR FOLLOWING POST.
RECHARGE : TODAY AT 08:00PM (GMT-5)

[populartajo]

Someone finish Seraphim plz.

[populartajo]

Im ordering everyone off the Seraphim lynch now!!

Time to think now....

Earlier, and from the previous game, there was no need for scum to have an Ophan in their ranks.

But now that we have a Metatron, that seemingly protects players from hurt, its very very likely that scum have an ophan with them.

We have DGB, who cleared Xyl, and I took it for what it was then.
But not now, with the knowledge from Tenchi's death.

Seraphim has acted scummy, as has most of the dead townies, but they've been townies nonetheless....

I think we need to remove DGB, and if my theory is correct.. Xyl follows.

Guys, think long and hard about our next move here, it's likely our last if we get it wrong.

INTENT TO HURT & VOTE: DGB

Why did Seraphim become town?

[populartajo]

ABR: Let me get this straight. You are ruling out the possibility that Tenchi protected DGB. Because I am not ruling it out, I am scum. Is that your logic?

Err, Xyl, Tenchi thought DGB was Fallen Ophan. Why would he have protected her?

[populartajo]

And first of all, we have no idea if a Metatron is a bodyguard. So dont assume things that are not obvious.
Seraphim has to be scum.

[populartajo]

ABR: Let me get this straight. You are ruling out the possibility that Tenchi protected DGB. Because I am not ruling it out, I am scum. Is that your logic?

Err, Xyl, Tenchi thought DGB was Fallen Ophan. Why would he have protected her?

Maybe he started his protect period before he came to that conclusion. I can't rule it out.

Its dumb to do it. And its dumb to put money on it.
And I know you arent dumb. Why, Xyl?

[populartajo]

This is totally fucking scummy:

So, the first damage dealt to Tenchi was 6 points. There are three logical possibilities:

1. The scum were trying to finish off Firestarter.
2. The scum were trying to finish off me.
3. The scum were trying to finish off DGB (before my heal).

I'm putting my money on #3. Ophans have been dying like flies.

The MOST likely conclusion is that the scum targeted TENCHI, taking him down to -9, then seeing as he's not dead yet, took him all the way.

The reason they targeted him even though he was a main suspect, is because he is a power role. The reason they knew this, is because they have a scum Ophan.

Fuck, this makes sense.

[populartajo]

Who the fuck was the idiot that healed DGB?

We might have to kill Seraphim too.

Xyl healed him instead of hurting Seraphim.
Xyl- DGB - Seraphim - prob some pesky scum (Nuwen?). Seems the scumgroup to me.

[populartajo]

Fire and ABR, we need you to finish Seraphim by noon.

[populartajo]

Both Seraphim and Xyl healed dgb. We now have our scum.

ROFLCOPTER, FONZ, TAJO, NUWEN, FIRESTARTER, GIUSEPPE, Q21

Unleash the hounds.

ABR SPEAKS THE TRUTH. WE HAVE TO DO IT NAO.

[populartajo]

Both Seraphim and Xyl healed dgb. We now have our scum.

By this logic, DGB must be town because the scum did rage damage to her.

What? WIFOM, you say? BACK AT YOU.

DGB can still be town. You and Seraphim, no.

[populartajo]

DGB CANT BE TOWN BECAUSE SHE CLAIMED THAT XYL DIDNT USE ANY RAGE POINTS, WHICH WE WILL KNOW IS FALSE WHEN HE TURNS UP SCUM.

ABR, we dont want all scum against us, do we?

[populartajo]

DGB CANT BE TOWN BECAUSE SHE CLAIMED THAT XYL DIDNT USE ANY RAGE POINTS, WHICH WE WILL KNOW IS FALSE WHEN HE TURNS UP SCUM.

Please commit seppuku when I come up town.

The rest of the town, please assist ABR in committing seppuku.

Love, Xyl

TELL US YOUR NAME, DEMON!

[populartajo]

More proof that Xyl is scum.

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls, Giuseppe, ????? x6, ????? x3 (12) Healed by: (0)

How does Xyl know the exact amount of rage used?

[populartajo]

FIRST DAMAGE TALLY OF THE TWENTY-FIRST ÆON

q21 is at 1 HP above his normal maximum.

DrippingGoofball, Giuseppe, Nuwen, roflcopter, and The Fonz are all at normal HP.

Albert B. Rampage, and populartajo have 1 damage each.
Firestarter has 3 damage.
Xylthixlm has 6 damage.
Seraphim has 7 damage.

This is the last tally. We need 2 more to kill Seraph (if his Cherub claim is real). We need at least 6 damage to kill Xyl (assuming he is an Arel). Please, lets concentrate the damage on these players. Dont heal anyone until these are dead. LOYALS, we can do it!

[populartajo]

More proof that Xyl is scum.

# Tenchi - Hurt by: populartajo, Juls, Giuseppe, ????? x6, ????? x3 (12) Healed by: (0)

How does Xyl know the exact amount of rage used?

Two hurt counts. See also the note at the bottom.

You assumed what? Tell me.

[populartajo]

That Tenchi started with 12 hp.

And why is that?

[populartajo]

Giuseppe and Fonz are charged. Please finish Seraphim.

[populartajo]

Nuwen too. Please finish Seraphim. Any other action of these players should be considered antitown.

[populartajo]

That Tenchi started with 12 hp.

And why is that?

Guess.

Its not a reasonable assumption. You assumed too much. You deserve to die. You may as well claim.

[populartajo]

I had to pick something to assume and I picked the most logical number, you maroon dipswitch.

Or you are scum and you know how many rage points you used to finish Tenchi.
TELL US YOUR NAME, DEMON!

[populartajo]

Am I getting shit for thinking that Seraphim is prob scum after Tenchi's flip and the assumption that DGB and Xyl have to be scum?
REALLY?
Are you that blind?

[populartajo]

Im all for bumping off Seraphim, but not before either Xyl or DGB guys....
Think about it, the mechanic in this game, how much rage has been used thus far.

So far...
Dead Townies=More dead townies.
And we've all missed with our recent attempts, and some!!

Seraphim is not town for me BTW.... I never said that.

I want this Ophan claim sorted first.
Regardless of whether its DGB or Xyl first.
Thinking about it,

if

Xyl turns up town, DGB may be, so leaving the claimed power role until the 2nd lynch is probs the best idea here.

I cannot hurt until 1:30am, my time, which is Hours from now.
So, if Seraphim dies first, I just hope it does not trigger more rage..

Pop is pushing really hard to have Seraphim killed, like we all did before Tenchi got axed.
But I think you all agree on the changing situation with our Ophan claim now... It looks dodgy, yet Pop is basically ignoring it in pursuit of Seraphim.

I like Seraphim as scum, but something feels off about the order things are going in right now.
I pray to my God that if we take Seraphim out, we still have time to go after the Ophan claim...

If you think Seraphim is scum, as I do, killing him is vital since he is the lowest to die. More scum alive = more rage points.

[populartajo]

who fucking called it? oh right, it was me, saying tenchi was town while tajo tried to unleash a righteous fury on him.

There was no damn reason to call tenchi town.

[populartajo]

i'd rather xyl and dgb die before seraphim

oh yeah? you think seraphim is town?

[populartajo]

I do agree, incidentally that DGB is the most obvscum. Hurting just before the last rage dump, for instance. (Or did she heal? That would be even worse).

Stop smocking crack, Fonzie, I'm not hurting or healing anyone, and haven't for some time. Iammmawatchin' iz whatammmadoin'. Seriously, scum, are you reading?

============================

I have this overwhelming feeling that the scum is jerking us around, and this game is slipping away from us.

roflcopter is doing nothing but going mad against townies, it's like he's trying to use his high HP to do as much damage as he can, knowing that he'll die. He must be laughing just staying alive for so long, and at how none of us have the balls to stand up to him, except potajo, who's now getting into the line of fire for daring to stand up,

ABR bus'ed his buddy day 1, and since then he's doing nothing, NOTHING, but riding the wave, any wave, wave after wave, he doesn't care how large or how small. He makes no cases, only pronouncements, doesn't show his calculations. Why the F is he still alive??? Why is Seraphim dying instead of ABR???

/quote]
DGB, whats the difference between Seraphim and ABR? They have been doing the same thing alll game

[populartajo]

Firestarter's play since Tenchi's death has been worrying. He went from hurting Serpahim and arguing against stalling to trying to shut the Seraphim lynch down... ie. stalling.

Possibly bussing his scumbuddy until he realised that the rest of the team had been blown open. Although, that makes one wonder why he would change target to DGB - better bus maybe?

Just thoughts, no concrete reads on him as yet.

Please, lets avoid them until we get rid of the scum in front of our eyes.

[populartajo]

i'd rather xyl and dgb die before seraphim

oh yeah? you think seraphim is town?

I'd say it's more a case of probabilities. Xyl and DGB look obvscum, whilst Seraphim is merely very likely.

Yeah, but if DGB and Xyl are scum, Seraphim

has

to be scum with them.

[populartajo]

i'd rather xyl and dgb die before seraphim

oh yeah? you think seraphim is town?

I'd say it's more a case of probabilities. Xyl and DGB look obvscum, whilst Seraphim is merely very likely.

Yeah, but if DGB and Xyl are scum, Seraphim

has

to be scum with them.

Again, why is it so open and shut?

Look at the interactions? Look at what he has done all the game?

[populartajo]

Look at this votecount.

Votecount

Albert B. Rampage 7 (DGB, Xyl, viq, giuseppe, Seraph, zwet, q21)
Seraphim 7 (Fire, DGB, Fonz, Xyl, Giuseppe, zwet, rolf)
rolfcopter 4 (Tajo, viq, giuseppe, Seraph)
Xylthixlm 4 (Tenchi, viq, zwet, rolf)
zwetschenwasser 2 (Fire, q21)
DrippingGoofball 1 (Tenchi)
Giuseppe 1 (Xyl)
Nuwen 1 (Fire)
q21 1 (Tajo)
populartajo 1 (rolf)
Firestarter
Tenchi
The Fonz
vIQleS

Not voting: ABR, Nuwen.

Please everyone vote before deadline, 36 hours from now.

[populartajo]

Look at the evolution of Seraphim's suspcions. The hurt is when Seraphim was already voted as the guy that should be hurt to death.

Hey look, I recharged.

vote: Seraphim

hurt: Seraphim

hammer. SQUEAK!

Updated scumlist (provisional):

Tenchi
roflcopter
One of q21 or Seraphim

roflcopter has basically shot all the town credit he had

I'm really liking the Tenchi/roflcopter scumteam now

I am

not

liking the Seraphim lynch now.

unvote Seraphim

[populartajo]

Oh, before I forget, the moment i decided Xyl was scum was when he said he'd lie low until scum stopped following him. I'm pretty confident town Xyl would NEVER do that.

i've pointed out a number of things town xyl would never do this game

who fucking called it? oh right, it was me, saying tenchi was town while tajo tried to unleash a righteous fury on him.

There was no damn reason to call tenchi town.

i gave you my reasons, and i was right. stop defending your prior incorrectness and start helping kill all of your scumbuddies.

i suspect that the scum did not expect tenchi to die from their attacks, ie he was a bodyguard. his most likely protect was fonz, as fonz was one of those he was naming as ubertown, and its not like the scum are about to try and kill me when i'm such a juicy target for them to get lynched.

What reasons did you give? The wagon grew too fast? Tenchi was scummy as fuck. End of discussion.
And about speculation of what happened, i think the following explanations are the most possible:
a) dgb ophanscum watched him targeting someone. They thought he was an Ophan. Raged him to 9 but he didnt die. Since Tenchi being raged to 9 would confim him as town, scum had to finish him.
b) tenchi was protecting someone else. They tried to kill me, fonz or firestarter, even rolf. They raged but they found out that Tenchi took the damage. Since Tenchi being raged to 9 would confim him as town, scum had to finish him.

[populartajo]

The real question is, what if Seraphim flips town?

i'll be even more sure that tajo is scum

WTF?

[populartajo]

And you remember when I posted this?

tajo, you need all these flips to determine what exactly? that when tenchi and i are dead the scum will win?

no.
If seraphim is lynched and he comes up town then I can semiconfirm xyl as town and semiconfirm you as scum.
If serapgim is lynched and he comes up scum then I can semiconfirm xyl as scym and semiconfirm you as town.
See how this works?
We get rid of a scummy player and we semiconfirm a valuable player.
Follow my plan, NAO

Tenchi didnt die because of my fault. In fact I hurt Seraphim and I suggested we should hurt him instead of going with Tenchi-town.

[populartajo]

that was crap then and its crap now

No, its how I play this game.
DEAL WITH THAT.

[populartajo]

But what does that do to the rest of the suspicions? If Seraphim flips town, no matter how unlikely it is, what happens to all of this discussion?

Rockets you to near the top of my scumlist.

Why?

[populartajo]

And you remember when I posted this?

tajo, you need all these flips to determine what exactly? that when tenchi and i are dead the scum will win?

no.
If seraphim is lynched and he comes up town then I can semiconfirm xyl as town and semiconfirm you as scum.

WHAT!?

At that time, if Seraphim comes up town, all my arguments about his relation with xyl are bogus and would semiconfirm xyl as town. Situations are different now since xyl's case now doesnt depend of seraphim's interactions.
Also, it would bring more doubts to rolf's alignment since rolf-Seraphim has been a constant battle all the game. I really cant see this as a town-town battle.

[populartajo]

Also it was pretty clear that yesterday there were 2 defined factions.
Rolf-Tenchi vs Xyl-Seraphim. This is where my reasoning comes from.

[populartajo]

So there being one dead town on each side would make you sure which of the other two is town?

No. Thinking about it, I decided that Seraphim should be the one dying first since it could basically semiconfirm Tenchi (both were pretty agressive against each other). I wouldnt be 100% sure about the other two (Xyl, rolf) but it would help to take a stance and push the most suspicious.

[populartajo]

The amount of setting up mislynches which is going on here is making my head spin.

And this means what?

[populartajo]

Flay, u there?

[populartajo]

FUCK.

FUCK.

[populartajo]

I take responsibilities for this death.
I really dont know what to make of this right now.

[populartajo]

I basically suspect everyone right now. Fuck fuck fuck.

[populartajo]

Xyl, DGB should still die.

[populartajo]

I take responsibilities for this death.
I really dont know what to make of this right now.

You were not alone in trying to kill him. Lots of people, myself included were involved.

I pushed it.

[populartajo]

He just hurt so many town players. It didn't seem possible.

I should have trusted my initial read on him and not listen to you and rolf. I dont blame you for this, though.
I say that Xyl and DGB still need to die. Xyl's behavior after Tenchi's death is damning as hell.

[populartajo]

Just for the record. Fonz, rolf and Firestarter, if you are scum you just won this game.

[populartajo]

# Xylthixlm - Hurt by: Juls, zwetschenwasser, WaltWishbone x2, roflcopter x2, roflcopter x2, Tenchi (9) Healed by: Juls, Drench, WeyounsLastClone, Giuseppe (3)

Why did Giusepped helaed Xyl?

[populartajo]

Quick read on Giuseppe.

Alright Xyl, I don't believe Rofl should be able to be acting as unilaterally as he is. I've been saying all game I don't believe in unilateral action, and I'll stand to it.

Here's your

sign

heal.

Heal: Xylthixlm

I also support the ABR lynch. I think it's time he kicked the bucket, as he hasn't put forth anything compelling lately. I can't hurt for another 24 hours, but count me in on that.

This feels bad, considering what my opinions are of the players involved.

Well, I do confess my activity is a bit under the level I would normally like it to be, but I see my job in this game as something a bit different than in a normal, smaller game. Not everyone can be a leader, not in a game this large. Right now, I'm thinking a lot more than I'm posting, so that my actions, although few, will allow the more active members to gain the benefit of my opinion which is unmarred by feelings gained in the game in the heat of the moment, and my reading of the game is done in a perspective of the past, so that I can detach myself from the game, and look at the facts objectively.

Most Town

Tajo
Fons
Firestarter

Neutral

Xylthixlm
DrippingGoofball
Tenchi
q21
vIQleS
Nuwen
zwetschenwasser

Most Scum

ABR
Roflcoptor
Seraphim

Yes, I believe that's everyone. I tend to believe that those most adamantly for the latest system are those who are most pro-town, and that those who are raging against it are scummier. The exception is Seraphim, whose consistent hurting of Townies is too scummy to ignore. I think I'll be adopting him as my third vote for mass hurting.

Vote: Seraphim

Does that help, Tajo?

Yeah, again this feels bad, considering what my opinions are of the players involved.

[populartajo]

DGB first. I'm starting to get waking nightmares of a DGB-ABR distance fest.

This is a weak reason. I already have assumed that ABR cant be scum. We need to finish the one with the lowest HP.

[populartajo]

Seraphim might have 12hp, finish him off please. If he's already dead you will not waste your action.

WTF?

[populartajo]

q21 and Fire, you both are town, please avoid this fight and concentrate in Xyl and DGB please.

[populartajo]

q21 and Fire, you both are town, please avoid this fight and concentrate in Xyl and DGB please.

I'm going to hurt Xyl as soon as I can... but that's still 13.5 hours away. Nothing will change that short of another mindfuck like Tenchi's death.

... think me and FS just automatically argue...

Kay. I will be hurting xyl as soon as I can.
Lets just hope its not too late.

[populartajo]

The sad thing is that the scumgroup is too obvious right now.

[populartajo]

Me neither. But he responded exactly as I did to Tenchi's death and it seemed genuine. Tenchi's death shifted most of my views on who is scum and town.

The most genuine of all was potajo. Now, THAT, was a genuine response. I don't see any others as genuine at all.

Anyway. No more distractions, I'm working on that case and I have, like, 514 windows open.

DGB, trust me in this one. There is still odds that you could have been fooled by scum.
Xyl has to be scum. I dont want you to watch anyone else. Please hurt him as soon as you can.

[populartajo]

I was an Ophan (aka tracker) in the last game and trust me it was very hard to spot any action, since the only possible actions you could get is another Ophan watching someone or some random scum using rage points.

Also, Seraphim, the player, dont get frustrated for listening to rolf. Trust me. The best idea is to ignore him completely until he realizes how wrong he is in some things.

I understand this but all this behavior is also ext possible to come from a player that has no time.
Let her catch up and not treat her to hurt her. If she is scum, it would become too obvious. Trust me.

As I said, let her catch up. Im not saying she is obv town. Im only saying that there is nothing that indicates obv scum behaviour. It will become obvious if she is scum when she catches up. Trust me.

DGB, trust me in this one. There is still odds that you could have been fooled by scum.

This is an accusation, Xyl?

[populartajo]

This is an accusation, Xyl?

No, I'm just slightly annoyed by your overuse of "trust me".

Does it mean that Im right in every "trust me"?

[populartajo]

xyl, dgb, giuseppe, nuwen - thats my final answer

rolf, if we want to win this, we need to deal scum by scum.

[populartajo]

xyl, dgb, giuseppe, nuwen - thats my final answer

rolf, if we want to win this, we need to deal scum by scum.

yes. xyl and dgb are scum, you seem to agree with me on that finally. giuseppe scum becomes pretty much blatantly obviously based on xyl and dgb scum. nuwen is scum for reasons i've already elucidated on. bing bang boom.

Having all scum against us now is prob not a good idea, you know?..

[populartajo]

roflcopter: So you think everyone on the Hoopla mislynch was town?

Can you say the same on the Walt mislynch?

[populartajo]

Right now Im praying Xyl is the Scum Cherub. Am I right?

[populartajo]

Hurt: Xyl

Too soon. Flay

With the anger of all the loyal ones together, with a blade of fury and tears

[populartajo]

Giuseppe and Nuwen. Your next hurt should be in Xyl.
*flies and shines

[populartajo]

Hurt: Xyl

[populartajo]

heal dgb

Too soon. Flay

So you basically are healing DGB and not hurting your scum targets when its obvious healing will not win the game.
You are not town, Xyl.

[populartajo]

Xyl recharged at 8:24, so no.

[populartajo]

heal dgb

Too soon. Flay

Actually this makes me think that Xyl wants to get town credit for not being too obvious and not hurting someone.
Which means that we can still do it if we dont fuck it up.

[populartajo]

EBWOP: I* marked him as neutral-

Giuseppe, you are charged. You know Im town and Im telling you that Xyl is just obv scum. Please hurt him NOW.

[populartajo]

And I'm saying that I don't think he's scum. Give me the arguments again. I'm not trusting anything out of Rofl's mouth.

Rolf is not saying anything. I am saying this to you.
Xyl town would have hurt rolf, he would not have healed DGB, specially when we know that rage points are going to decide this game.

[populartajo]

There is a lot more but I dont have the time to hunt it. You think I am town and I am asking to trust me in this. Please hurt him and dont let time waste in your replacement.
Of course, do this only if you are town.

[populartajo]

wow, tajo, you were right, i shouldn't have called giuseppe out, now he's just playing dumb

/facepalm

[populartajo]

There is a lot more but I dont have the time to hunt it. You think I am town and I am asking to trust me in this. Please hurt him and dont let time waste in your replacement.
Of course, do this only if you are town.

Baldly manipulative. Good going Tajo.

Why did you heal DGB and not hurt rolf, scum?

[populartajo]

I'm not hurting Xyl without a case. Give me the case, I'll give the hurt.

Wasting my time here.
Hurt Xyl if you are town.
Thats my case.

[populartajo]

Heal DrippingGoofball

Xyl, how many rage you have left.
Please kill me.

[populartajo]

You guys are just being mean.
Please kill me. Let me die by rage.

[populartajo]

Heal DrippingGoofball

Xyl, how many rage you have left.
Please kill me.

Sorry, I don't have rage. Ask roflcopter.

Rolf is scum too?
/pain

[populartajo]

Give me the damn argument if you believe it's true! You're the one talking about wasting time: give me the argument, and if it's good, I'll hurt Xyl.

Would somebody please give me the argument against Xyl?!

THE DAMN ARGUMENT IS THAT SCUM HAVE RAGE. HEALING INSTEAD OF HURTING SOMEONE YOU THINK IS SCUM IS SOMETHING A TOWNIE WOULDNT DO.

[populartajo]

Im sad. Im amazed at the amount of bad plays we had in this game. I feel responsible.

[populartajo]

FUCK YOU SCUM FUCK YOU SO HARD THAT YOU CANT SIT

[populartajo]

GO TO YOUR QT FUCKING TARDS

[populartajo]

Its oficial i suck at this game. Can we still win this? Fron ny cell

[populartajo]

Dgb you are the only person i trust right now. Im going to surgery in a dew hours. HopefullyFron ny cell i can male it in the night. Rolf has to die. Giusep too

[populartajo]

Albert and fonz feel town to me. Rolf has survived enough. Intent to hurt : rolf.

[populartajo]

Huys i just gót out of surgery. Ny left ball had a torsion. Please hurt rolf. Why the fuck did fonz hurt s21 and albert hurt dgb? Fron ny cell.

[populartajo]

i'm thinking i should just engage in a hurt war with nuwen that nobody else participates in. that way, whichever of us survives is low enough on hp for the town to murder in short order if its necessary.

Or put me within easy rage range if you flip first and turn up scum? This really sounds like a ploy to pump out as much damage as possible before dying.

this. Rolf needs to die asap. S21 needs to kil him now

[populartajo]

i'm just spitballing here, but you'd think if the scum had a role with a specific name such as "belial" or "lucifer" with a boatload of hp, they'd expect the town to have something to counteract that, and would have been hunting for it.

Why youjd scum need to have a symet role? You áre just a fallén serap

[populartajo]

i'm thinking i should just engage in a hurt war with nuwen that nobody else participates in. that way, whichever of us survives is low enough on hp for the town to murder in short order if its necessary.

Or put me within easy rage range if you flip first and turn up scum? This really sounds like a ploy to pump out as much damage as possible before dying.

this. Rolf needs to die asap. S21 needs to kil him now

hey protecting nuwen and trying to direct q21's damage all in one, nice.

whats wrong whit tiat?

[populartajo]

Giusep is scum. Ny ball is hurt

[populartajo]

im still at the hospital

hurt:rolf

anybody has the feeling that yos is pretending that he knows less that he actually does?
plz giuseppe had to be scum. he refused to hurt xyl even though he followed my reasoning to hurt/heal before cuz he thought i was obv towb
he knew xyl was town and he played fool on purpose
dgb, i still think abr and fonz are town. we have to kill rolf

[populartajo]

rolf, just for the record, why do you think im scum?
only scum will think that i have been scum ALL the game for no reason at all.
come on gimme a case.

[populartajo]

fonz, you think q21 is scummier than rolf after his claim?

[populartajo]

We were down to 9 alive, with likely four scum. Essentially, the town were in dire straits. I didn't think we had time to piss about with calling hurts, or voting, or any of that- i had to identify the most likely scum, and get killing him quickly, and hope that i'd be able to drag the remnants of the town with me.

That would be easier to believe if you had made a serious CASE against q21. Instead, it looks like you're ignoring the big obvscums that have pushed 10 townies in row to the slaughterhouse.

I did make a case. Middle of the pack. Singlehandedly killed an Ophan, and everyone completely ignored him. You don't need walls o' text to have a case. When players call one player (rofl) out for a certain type of behaviour, but everyone ignores another who's acted similarly, that's a strong associative tell.

In case you hadn't noticed, EVERYONE has hurt lots of townies. That's why ten town are dead.

if you thought everybody that hurt town is scum then everybody would have to be scum.
there is no case in q21

[populartajo]

abr why did you hurt dgb?

[populartajo]

Tajo-

learn to read.

kthanxbai

i know how to read
maybe you are the one being dumb in purpose
going after q21 whit such a weak logic is really werid, fonz

[populartajo]

Hurt Nuwen

kay, its confirmed abr is scum

[populartajo]

Scumteam:

Firestarter, Nuwen, DGB and Yosarian?

you know there are 4 scum left?

[populartajo]

Nuwen and q21 we have to finish rolf asap.
i cant believe i missed how rolf/abr have ignored the other all the freaking game

[populartajo]

abr is doing a damn good job of convincing people i'm his scumpartner

and a fine job of distancing from nuwen to boot

which would be retarded since scum dont need to bus now that they have only to hurt people not in the scumteam.
be scum less, plz
our victory should be your death demon

[populartajo]

I'd like to be able to see the nature of Q21's zeal points before my watch on him expires.

dgb we dont need more watchs, we need you to hurt the obv scum. with zeal we can still do it.
although i support q21 using zeal now

[populartajo]

can we prod nuwen?

[populartajo]

no, zeal should not be used frivolously. if anything, wait til i'm dead and flipped so that q21 can zeal nuwen when it becomes obvious its necessary.

you got no rage yet, demon?

[populartajo]

you're the two who are trying your best to get q21 to burn his zeal before i die. i doubt you're both scum, but one of you certainly is, and trying to protect nuwen to boot.

so you still think abr is distancing from nuwen?
die

[populartajo]

yeah the scum are going to wifom like shit right now.
BUT distancing with a hurt no. Rolf slipped there.
rolf needs to die NAO.

[populartajo]

Hurt: ABR

Oh Goofball, my Goofball!

fonz you are doing this why

[populartajo]

Hurting ABR, or paraphrasing movies?

hurting abr.
why would paraphrasing movies be important at this moment?
why do i feel that only a few are caring about this game?

[populartajo]

you all are taking advantage of my shit situation in surgery right now.
why this town is so fucking disorganized?
listen, scum are likely to have rage the same day that they had the previous week
why are we distributing damage? we need to kill 1 scum NAO to reduce rage
q21 WHY TJE FUCK DID YOU HURT NUWEN IF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKELY TROWN AER HURTING ROLF?

[populartajo]

hurt : abr

[populartajo]

its official. firestarter is scum.

no, you should have been dead instead of abr
fire is prob town

[populartajo]

WE MUST MASSCLAIM NAO

[populartajo]

Q21, where does rage fit in your plan?
we have to kill yos and rolf.
everybody ignored my case on them and what happened in the last pages regarding xyl?
also, we should massclaim nao

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er, abr is deead?

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kay, flay didnt call the game
that means either
a) there are only 3 scum left
b) there is a sk
c) flay is a masochist and likes loyal angels to suffer

q21 do you think rolf is town?

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EBWOP:

1.
Rage on a townie in the five people who aren't rofl, nuwen or me.
This will only increase the speed at which we get to the final three. I believe the scum Rage accumulation is based mostly on time, like my own Zeal accumulation rate. So they will actually be hurting themselves if they do this.

Added last sentence.

omg, how could i forget this?
how does your zeak work?
it should work like rage?
we can predict this way how many rage scum have now

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hurt rolf now

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can anyone explain me how this plan wins the game for town?
are you all forgeting how many rage scum used the last time?
the fonz is town and i disgree with anyonme hurting him
the only players i wnat hurt right now aren rolf and yos. IM PRETTY SURE ABOUT IT.
q21 dont let rolf suck your balls, he is doing it only to save his ass and gather enough rage to kill both you and nuwen

[populartajo]

I would suggest killing people in this order, anyone who agrees should suggest an order of their own:
The Fonz
Firestarter
Yosarian2
Populartajo
DGB

this order is the win. i endorse this product and/or service.

you think fonz is scum wtf?

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I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.

explain clearly why your plan works. im having doubts about it since we have no idea how rage works or what is scum capable of doing
also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.

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I doubt one scum can get that much rage, pop. I am open to killing Yosarian first, though.

kay, tell rolf to hurt yos then, if he agreess i agree

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YOS, START CLAIMING.

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no, q, don't listen to tajo just because he's OMG CAPS LOCK ANGRY

its strange cuz some pages ago you thought fonz was town and giuseppe was scum.
q21, we have our scumpair here.

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we have to kill yos and rolf.

Wait..what the hell? Why me?

If there's a case against me, I'll be glad to answer it once I have a chance to read the damn game.

also, MASSCLAIM NAO, I have a plan too.

Is your plan "get all the town people to claim so me and my scumbuddies can know exactally when we can use our rage points to speedkill them"?

YOS, START CLAIMING.

Ah, I see that it is.

If it's a split role/motive game like Flay said it was, that would mean that any role could be scum or town, so I don't see how massclaiming helps town. On the other hand, if scum have a certain amount of rage damage they can do at will based on time, then knowing how many hitpoints everyone has would help scum a LOT, wouldn't it?

yos,trust my plan im the most confirmed town of this group.
it needs your claim.

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Revised kill order for my plan.
Yosarian2
Firestarter
The Fonz
populartajo
DGB

i agree with this list.

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Rofl, if I was going against Q's plan, I would have used my unused hurt on you the last post I made.

Im satisfied about Q now, and if we can stick together instead of going off on a one man quest, town may win this.

I have no qualms in me being in that order on the list.
If my death will reveal someone else as scum, so be it.
But if I could, I'd at least change my order...
I'd place Giuseppe/Yos in front of me.
If not, then no matter.

Pop, why on earth do you want everyone to claim?
If that happens now, Scum will know who to target exactly.
This is not a good idea.

Ok, so Im gonna use my Hurt on Fonz now as per the list of Q.

HURT:THE FONZ

FUCK ARE YOU AND IDIOT? WHY DONY TOU READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING?

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no, q, don't listen to tajo just because he's OMG CAPS LOCK ANGRY

its strange cuz some pages ago you thought fonz was town and giuseppe was scum.
q21, we have our scumpair here.

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YEAH, THIS TOWN SO DESERVES TO LOSE.

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no, q, don't listen to tajo just because he's OMG CAPS LOCK ANGRY

its strange cuz some pages ago you thought fonz was town and giuseppe was scum.
q21, we have our scumpair here.

gee, i guess it really is strange to see someone have a change of opinion huh? that certainly never happens to a town player, nope, not ever in a million aeons.

dumbass.

OH YEAH, WHAT MADE YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND?
YOU ARE SCUM, ROLF AND YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD LONG AGO.

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FUCK ARE YOU AND IDIOT? WHY DONY TOU READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING?

BTW, just so you know... Im no fucking idiot.

Im not here to be abused by anyone....

kay, im sorry
i just got so pissed because fonz is obv town and giuseppe was obv scum

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im the most protown people in the group adter dgb

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kay, my plan is to massclaim since there is an obvious fallen arel in the scumgroup.
so masslciam nao?