War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Uh... me, DGB, Guiseppe, Kinetic... I count four bumbling idiots.

Three once Kinetic is dead. The only reason scum want to heal him would be so that he can hurt me. You killed Walt because you didn't want him to heal me. Well now I'm going to take your puppet or partner Kinetic away from you. I'm gonna come after all of you scumbags and mess you up after he's dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah and that's really clever, dgb healing kinetic, having her hurt transferred to him in the process, losing nothing.

This is why I support copter; he's a necessary evil. Sure he does what he wants, but he gets results.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That makes no sense. The efficient scum way to deal with this would be to let you kill me and kill you anyway. They're wasting efficiency to heal me instead of killing you outright.

No they are not, because even though I get 1 less hurt from dgb, I get 1 more hurt from you, so they don't lose efficiency.

To be quite honest I've been pegging you as scum, then you do something town (shinnen), then you go back to being scummy, then townie, etc.

Right now you are pretty much anchored inside the scum game, so I'm going to kill you and discover what your alignment is (probably scum).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah and that's really clever, dgb healing kinetic, having her hurt transferred to him in the process, losing nothing.

This is why I support copter; he's a necessary evil. Sure he does what he wants, but he gets results.

He's scum or at BEST anti-town. He needs to be put down like the rabid dog he is.

THATS HOW I FEEL ABOUT YOU.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kin you make up horrible plans for the town on day 1, then you do something good like helping shinnen lynch, then you try to hurt players that are town or very townish. I have no choice to put you down before you fuck up the whole game for the town by going after the wrong people.

Remember 24 Mafia, how you fucked us all up? I was going after the scum, and you practically allied yourself with all of them, and in the end we lost.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh right. You were scum. Riiiight. Well I was right in wanting you dead in that game, and I am right in wanting you dead in this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you're as good as you claim to be, you wouldn't be backing xyl. Therefore, you're probably a very clever scum player...amirite

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can't believe how some people have the guts to say that I'm "coasting" from the shinnen lynch, when there are lurkers who are coasting for doing nothing. Its complete hypocrisy and frankly speaking I see two of them ganging up on me and taking a couple townies on board. I'm such a threat to them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can't believe how some people have the guts to say that I'm "coasting" from the shinnen lynch, when there are lurkers who are coasting for doing nothing. Its complete hypocrisy and frankly speaking I see two of them ganging up on me and taking a couple townies on board. I'm such a threat to them.

Great change of subject scum.

Its a subject you don't want to talk about huh?

You rather just proclaim me scum, like they did with Walt, without any evidence?

You don't want to talk about your bullshit coasting case, I can understand that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

First of all, get over yourself, please?

Second, you accuse me of coasting. You say I don't take an unpopular stand.

Well lynching you looks pretty unpopular, there's just a handful of people that suspect you (firestarter, me, rofl).

I also went after the lurkers, which I was accused of as "not sticking to anything".

Healing is not a good thing, I never said it was. What I said in my post was that Intent to Heal me, cancels Intent to hurt me.

Kinetic you just want to hurt me because I'm hurting you. Seriously, get over yourself. Grow up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1) Lurkers: I went after Drench.

2) Your defenders refused to negate me.

3) Firestarter fine, replace with Fonz. Fonz endorses killing you.

4) What play? What company?

[Albert B. Rampage]

for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently

appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority

there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out

I can see the first two, but please point to an example of the third. If it's there I missed it.

Here you go:

I AM THE BEST AT MAFIA I WON TWO SCUMMIES

[Albert B. Rampage]

um, yeah. i think the mafia may in fact be xyl, dgb, seraphim and nuwen. juls is an obv scapegoat, killing walt was FUCKING RIDICULOUS STUPID, and i really am wishing i went all in on hurting seraphim to death instead of kinetic.

unfortunately it seems like xyl and dgb have gotten themselves in the driver's seat all of the sudden by sheer weight of posts, but instead of driving us in any particular direction, they're just driving us over a cliff.

kinetic, i'm interested in your take on the xyl and dgb. take your time re-reading them or whatever you need to do. i can't hurt again until tomorrow night, but depending on your answer i am willing to switch to running a train on that axis of evil instead of finishing you off. your heavily emotional response to what i've been doing is still making me unhappy, but the shenanigans that have happened in the last couple of pages are really just out of control.

nuwen, before you go buck nutty and start trying to kill me, are you willing to submit to death if i flip town?

The heavenly voice of reason.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I too would like to leave Kinetic alone and kill off the bigger threats to town. But, he's too stubborn, its a shame he won't change his mind.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look, uh....kinetic.

Intent to Heal: Kinetic

Negated by me

Sorry, I'm not going to negate with you, scum.

He refused to cancel our respective actions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look, uh....kinetic.

Intent to Heal: Kinetic

Negated by me

Sorry, I'm not going to negate with you, scum.

He refused to cancel our respective actions.

You're reading that different from me. I'm reading that as "I'm going to heal as I see fit not based on what you tell me to do, scum"

Okay....that's how I read it too. That's why I hurt you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's pretty dumb. If he heals as he sees fit, then I hurt as I see fit. Whether or not he will actually heal you doesn't matter, because he doesn't want to negotiate.

Right now, the number of people that want you dead outweigh the number of people that want you alive. That's why you're going to die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey ABR, how many scum Seraphim do you think there are?

2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

You always struck me as the pansy scholar, pen over sword effeminate type.

Hey ABR, how many scum Seraphim do you think there are?

2.

Nuwen, roflcopter, or as-yet-unrevealed?

Probably Nuwen, I doubt there are 5 seraphs. I'll have to analyze her in-depth eventually. Its still possible its 3-1 spread. Pure speculation.

[Albert B. Rampage]

bla bla bla nerdrage

[Albert B. Rampage]

And you always struck me as an extremely passive bullied little kid that is acting overaggressive online because you realize deep down that no one loves you.

See, I can play internet psychiatrist too. Back to the game Dr. Freud.

Your nebulous sexuality is the reason you bury your identity into video games and fiction.

XD

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok, this needs to stop, I'm laughing now but this could get out of hand and I'd like this game not to get personal. Agreed?

Yeah....you're not such a bad guy after all Kinetic. You're proud, I can see that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yo Kinetic, how about this. I will change my anti-town ways if you analyze Nuwen's profile and re-evaluate what you think of her.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah I call for a ceasefire to do a complete re-read.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am sorry Juls. I am sorry Albert. Albert I have nothing left to accuse you of, but I will keep attacking you because of personal reasons.

I see.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Haha just look at you. Blushing crimson. Ahh so sweet. Sooo sweet.

I think I would've preferred her be scum, but this feels great. You slowly come to realize your own inefficiency. You come to realize that what I said was right; that you are a worse mafia player than me. Yes, this really does feel good.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You see dgb, that is the difference between you and I. The players who think I'm town are articulate, very intelligent people, who are busy with their lives.

The players who think that you are town, are zwet (14 years old), giuseppe (16 years old). Sure, you can gather a few children around you and be their leader. Hahaha

Do I even need to add a comment, or does posting these two quotes in conjunction to each other speak loudly enough?

Oh don't worry, catching scum has never been more personal to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are Rofl and ABR considered a "significant faction" all of a sudden? Plus, I'm not convinced that they are scum just yet.

Right now all three of you look town.

What is this I sense? Is dgb losing the support of the intelligent players that were backing her hurts?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll post a complete case on Nuwen this weekend.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Julz's flip helped your case. That being said I still feel DGB is more than likely town.

Maybe she is. Shame on her if she's town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It doesn't help ABR's case, because, as Xyl says, his skin and personal prestige is more important than his team, and the game as a whole. ABR's

modus operandi

is very simple. Players that obey him are left alone. Players that don't, are hounded. There's zero scum hunting in that. Just scum getting their way.

That's bullshit. Shinnen was agreeing with me all the way until I hurt her.

The ONLY thing that adds to my prestige is killing me some scum. Seeing how dumb you look does procure me a lot of enjoyment though

[Albert B. Rampage]

However, I do have to ask you this: Why didn't you have more of an issue with it.

The way I see it, a townie would have a lot more issue with Julz behaivior than a scum would. But you really had no issue with it at all...

That seems a bit odd honestly ABR.

I don't have an issue with it because I understand how an articulate, mature player with a real life can see me as town. I understand it perfectly.

She could have been scum faking it, but if she's going to get killed anyway, what's the point for me to get on her case. I asked her to add to discussion and she didn't. What can I do?

[Albert B. Rampage]

dgb you don't have any insights. You're just trying to justify hating on me haha

HATER

Why would I buss Shinnen when I put the first hurt on her and no one followed me? Especially if Shinnen was agreeing with me from the beginning. She never contradicted me, not once.

[Albert B. Rampage]

...without contradicting his prior statements

HAHAHA the answer is 'no,' he can't do it without contradicting himself, and he's not going to do it! He's been contradicting himself on every page.

So have you, or did you forget when you proclaimed that I was town.

You're such a failure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.

I responded to an invalid attack.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I present this because I found your statement very circumstancial and is not a truly valid defense.

I responded to an invalid attack.

ERGH... I you're experienced in this game you should know better.

If you see bad logic, you don't fight it with bad/worse logic.

This is wrong. I put myself in their shoes and try to see from their way of thinking. You just looked at what I said instead of the context.

dgb claims:

I only attack the people who attack me first.

I prove:

I attacked someone who didn't attack me first.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xyl, thoughts on the Seraphim hurt tonight?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think dgb is just playing this game to kill me. All the main people she wanted dead were players that heavily supported me. And of course she tries to support anyone that goes against me. So I don't think she's trying to save xyl, she's just trying to save whoever that has a mind to go after me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Viq is using his ability. Unless I'm missing something, scum has no reason to use this ability.

See? Supporting viq because he suspects me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm scum with Kinetic? Really?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh so I'm scum with dgb now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scum:

Albert B. Rampage
WeyounsLastClone
Giuseppe
one of Kinetic/Seraphim/roflcopter/Firestarter

... and I forgot DGB in the last group. She has a strange power over my mind.

Xyl, you realize that 4 of the 7 players in your list are trying or have tried to kill me in the past (dgb kinetic wlc giusepe), and I've hurt or brought suspicion on 2 of the others(firestarter seraphim).

This doesn't make any sense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like Jack Sparrow:

Four of you have tried to kill me in the past. One of you succeeded..

[Albert B. Rampage]

It should be noted that DGB's heal, even if it came before the rage, would not have taken effect as it was 5 minutes early.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It should be noted that DGB's heal, even if it came before the rage, would not have taken effect as it was 5 minutes early.

Scratch that I got it wrong.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It should be noted that DGB's heal, even if it came before the rage, would not have taken effect as it was 5 minutes early.

Scratch that I got it wrong.

Actually I got it right.

DGB's heal was too early and wouldn't have counted.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Gah! My heal was off by a few minutes, but I thought I was over an hour into it. I used the time stamp from my first Juls hurt instead of the second.

Makes sense because I made that mistake two once I verified it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It doesn't matter; DGB's heal was crossed out with "Target is dead", so Kinetic was dead there either way.

That's good to know, at least, I didn't waste my action on a corpse.

You wouldn't have wasted it regardless since it was too early.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Viqles, claim the information you have, zwet too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The fact that they tried to beat your recharge might mean that there are only 3 scum left.

That's wrong, they wouldn't want to waste a ragepoing regardless.

I got to go now but when I'm back I will verify if zwet was watching at the time they used their rage to kill Kinetic.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xyl, want to hurt WLC tonight?

[Albert B. Rampage]

dgb can we plz hurt weyouns?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just saw ViqLES reading the thread, and failing to report whether he has a results. MMmmmMmmmmm....

He's been reading the thread all day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Fonz, rolf and Xyl

WHATS SO FUCKING WRONG WITH TREATING THIS GAME AS NORMAL GAME WITH VOTING INSTEAD OF HURTING?

We dont random hurt anyone that could be town and we dont start healing him when its too late and you realize, omg he could be town.

FUCK YOU TAJO.

No-one is proposing random hurting. AT ALL. EVER. This is a gigantic strawman. I at least, am proposing to harm people you would normally wagon, once you have established there is some support for the wagon.

You want to know what the stupidly obvious problem with your plan is? Deadlines. Or the lack thereof. Normally, if people aren't around to hammer, then the deadline cuts off. So either you've got a reduced lynch, or at the very least a set time people have to vote by to get it.

Now, check out your plan. The problem is that hanging around one more day is only one more day. Which is an incentive against wagon consolidation. A deadlocked town could pretty much hang around forever, with everyone hoping the other side'll shift, and not them, and no firm deadline to force anyone's hand. The frog/saucepan problem. Your plan is a recipe for paralysis.

If we're only hurting when there is a consensus, why would we need a 'healing phase' at all?

Can we at least agree that this 'I heal you, you lynch me' is antitown and scum-favouring?

Also, for the last time, as with a normal game, IF SCUM WANT TO QUICKLYNCH/HURT, THEN IT'S GOING TO BE FUCKING OBVIOUS! The problem is if everyone is whittled down to the point when scum can deploy a load of rage at once, and lots of people are in range. This can be mollified by a) reducing the amount of rage available by acting quickly and b) only hurting people who are the suspects of multiple people, as above.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Xyl, post 2040

[Albert B. Rampage]

Very simple, Firestarter. The voting system will result in a deadlock with equal players on each side.

The benefits of the current plan are:

1) it stops us from being in complete anarchy
2) it is easily enforceable (no need to wait for vote counts, no need to wait for every player to weigh in)
3) any abuse in the system can be spotted and dealt with
4) it keeps the game moving without the fallen accumulating too much rage

Given the lurkers / people without strong opinions, it would be too hard to establish a majority of players agreeing, and it would take too long.

Also, discussing a change of plan at this point sidetracks us from catching scum and stalls the game, which is what we want to avoid at all cost as I just mentioned.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hurt WLC

[Albert B. Rampage]

Copter finish off WLC plz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hurt: ABR.

I've seen more people having problems with ABR. It's time for action against him. For now it was just talk against him without him actually getting hurt. I want to see his reaction (and others) when he gets damaged.

WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS

If ABR was an indisputed player, I wouldn't have hurt him. I don't know if this wagon on me will continue or not, but before it actually gets really moving, I want to have done something useful. There have been enough people commenting on ABR that I feel my hurt is justified.

What the fuck Weyouns. What the fuck. How can I ever trust you again.

You attack a player thats +1 health out of the blue like that. Wow. You're scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Weyouns do you understand the concept of focusing our attacks? Which means that we are focusing our attacks on YOU, and a few other key players like ZWET. Which means you shouldn't hurt me if you're town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's fucking bullshit q21. By attacking me YOU are spreading the hurts.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why in God's name is it so fucking hard to not hurt me until we've ran through WLC?

What the hell don't you understand about HURTING ONE PERSON AT A TIME? Concentrate your efforts, does this ring a bell?

Or are you going with Weyouns plan which is to put hurt two people simultaneously so the scumbags win?

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is Weyouns easy to kill or possess the ability to catch scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

All the townies who decided to go after me are going to suffer now, because its going to be fucking impossible to distinguish the scum from the town after I die.

[Albert B. Rampage]

All the townies who decided to go after me

So. Townies are going after you. You know they're townies, eh?

If there are 6 people attacking me, Nurse Ratchet, they can't all be scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Evidence plz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You wanna know what's funny?

There are 8 people who want to kill me, and we are 15 players alive.

Good job guys, good job. You have a majority. Maybe we should go back to the vote count system since there's such a grand consensus. I'll watch with glee the rest of the game after I die.

Meanwhile, "never stop fighting until the fight is over" applies here. I'm going to keep using my hurts to kill suspicious players up until my last breath.

[Albert B. Rampage]

q21:

1) I don't need backing to hurt a lurker.

2) I still want to hurt zwet.

3) After calling intent to hurt viqles and dgb, I said I didn't want to hurt the observers first.

So you're "spreading the damage" argument is baseless.

Fonz is NOT saying you should never heal anyone, he's saying that you shouldn't heal someone who is actively being hurt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, I shouldn't hurt zwet, because I already said I don't want to hurt Ophans.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Weyouns is opportunistic scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lmao

Go with your gut. We'll see where that gets you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Don't try to make bullshit backwards rationalizations to prepare yourself for when I come up town. Oh but he did this, so it was fair game to kill him. He was so suspicious, look! look! Fabricated garbage to keep yourself from feeling bad when you see I'm town. Good luck dgb, q21, giuseppe, viqles, zwet, Xylthixlm . I will look forward to the time you turn against each other because there's no one left - for you will have killed them all.

I don't want to make excuses because this is just how it is. Its no use unless we're shooting and no one notices the scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hurt: WeyounsLastClone

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dammit guys. How easy do you want to make it for scum?

These might well be my final words, but at the moment I think the scumgroup is among Seraphim, Firestarter, and Xyl. I'm not sure about ABR and The Fonz at the moment, but those would be next on my suspicion list.

Hurt: Seraphim.

Go to hell Weyouns.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guys, I'm pretty sure Seraphim and Weyouns are 2 scumbags and are putting up a show for us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look I don't give a flying fuck about your stupid systems. I'm going to kill Weyouns and then move on to Seraphim after I present my case on him. If you're not happy with that then you can try to kill me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In this case, she merely followed someone else, and that someone is far far away from being confirmed town... ABR

Ironically, I'm not very far from being confirmed town.

The fact that rofl is trying to make is that she attacked Xyl before she left her vote to my discretion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

WLC is not dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

WCL is lying. He's not dead yet. Finish him off, its possible he's a Fallen Ariel with 12hp.

[Albert B. Rampage]

WCL is lying. He's not dead yet. Finish him off, its possible he's a Fallen Ariel with 12hp.

Shut up. Are you really really stupid? What did I do that was scummy?

To hell with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Send my regards to hell.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Zwet couldn't possibly be town. "It was more important for the scum to kill Kinetic than Zwet". Who said this? That person was right.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I no longer support to kill Seraphim.

[Albert B. Rampage]

q21, zwet and tajo have been ignoring each other all game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Larger game means more players. More players means faster rage point accumulation. This shouldn't have slipped me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Interesting...so it was Nuwen who was behind all this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The scum:town ratio remains the same. They need a bolstered rage point mechanism to balance the fact that there are more town to kill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You have a broken mind Xylthixlm.

[Albert B. Rampage]

LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

12 rage damage have been spent. Our Ophanim are dropping like flies right now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB, anything to report?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Its been 2 weeks, if there are 4 scum, that means 1.5 point per scum per week. 2 points per week each would be crazy I think, but I didn't run the exact numbers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Total: 14 rage used could be:

1. 7 scum at 2 rage/week
2. 6 scum at 1 rage/week + 1 scum (Seraph, presumably) with 2 rage/week

3. 5 scum at 1 rage/week + 2 scum (Seraph, presumably) with 2 rage/week

- possible only if one Seraph is unclaimed

4. 4 scum at 1 rage/week + 2 scum (Seraph, presumably) with 3 rage/week - possible only if one Seraph is unclaimed

5. An unknown rage generation mechanic.
6. Any of the above or entirely different combination if unused rage exists.

The hell are you yapping about. If there were 7 scum they would be at majority now!

4 scum = 4 rage/week
5 scum = 3 rage/week

Couldn't be more than 5 scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i'm still killing xyl

You don't believe DGB's claim that Xyl didn't use any rage?

Hurt: Seraphim

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why does ABR get away with hurting Seraphim?

Because according to the vote count, Seraphim is the vote leader.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TL;DR

[Albert B. Rampage]

Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:35 pm

I no longer support to kill Seraphim.

This is pretty definite...

i'm still killing xyl

That was before DGB observed Xyl. If Xyl didn't use any rage points, that changes everything.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well we know tenchi wasn't protecting dgb...

[Albert B. Rampage]

27 rage points total. In two weeks they can kill 3 people.

[Albert B. Rampage]

3. The scum were trying to finish off DGB (before my heal).

Bullshit.

Tenchi didn't believe DGB's claim and suspected her.

DGB AND XYLTHIXLM ARE SCUM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

WOW XYLTHIXLM AND DGB ARE SCUM 100% CONFIRMED. LOOK AT THIS SCUMMY POST:

So, the first damage dealt to Tenchi was 6 points. There are three logical possibilities:

1. The scum were trying to finish off Firestarter.
2. The scum were trying to finish off me.
3. The scum were trying to finish off DGB (before my heal).

I'm putting my money on #3. Ophans have been dying like flies.

THE OBVIOUS LOGICAL REASONING IS THAT THE SCUM TRIED TO KILL TENCHI AFTER DGB USED HER OBSERVE ON HIM TO FIND OUT HE WAS PROTECTING OTHER ANGELS.

SO THEY TRIED TO KILL HIM, TAKING HIM DOWN TO 9 DAMAGE. SEEING AS HOW THAT DIDN'T KILL HIM, THEY FINISHED HIM OFF WITH THREE MORE RAGE POINTS.

Everyone should now redirect their attacks on Xyl or dgb.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Major suspect to who? dgb? you?

YEAH YOU GET THE PICTURE.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Um....ok that was totally scummy FS.

Why would we start with dgb?

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is totally fucking scummy:

So, the first damage dealt to Tenchi was 6 points. There are three logical possibilities:

1. The scum were trying to finish off Firestarter.
2. The scum were trying to finish off me.
3. The scum were trying to finish off DGB (before my heal).

I'm putting my money on #3. Ophans have been dying like flies.

The MOST likely conclusion is that the scum targeted TENCHI, taking him down to -9, then seeing as he's not dead yet, took him all the way.

The reason they targeted him even though he was a main suspect, is because he is a power role. The reason they knew this, is because they have a scum Ophan.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Who the fuck was the idiot that healed DGB?

We might have to kill Seraphim too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

THE SCUM:

DGB
Xylthixlm
Seraphim

[Albert B. Rampage]

Both Seraphim and Xyl healed dgb. We now have our scum.

ROFLCOPTER, FONZ, TAJO, NUWEN, FIRESTARTER, GIUSEPPE, Q21

Unleash the hounds.

[Albert B. Rampage]

HAHAHA SQUEAL!!!!! SQUEAL, MAFIA SCUM!!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB CANT BE TOWN BECAUSE SHE CLAIMED THAT XYL DIDNT USE ANY RAGE POINTS, WHICH WE WILL KNOW IS FALSE WHEN HE TURNS UP SCUM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Keep squealing. I want you to be late for work. You fucked up that too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

hurt seraphim

[Albert B. Rampage]

Seraphim might have 12hp, finish him off please. If he's already dead you will not waste your action.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Um. I missed a few pages.

[Albert B. Rampage]

# In Servorum (10):Albert B. Rampage
# Drench Firestarter
# DrippingGoofball
# Giuseppe
# Nuwen
# populartajo
# q21
# roflcopter
# The Fonz
# Xylthixlm

There's like 4 or 5 scum in this list, how fucked up is that?

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ITT Xyl is making his last stand with ten thousand questions

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Scum killed Kinetic. No, you killed Kinetic.

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I see you still have nothing original to contribute to the game.

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Hurt: DGB

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q21: That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

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DGB is talking crack.

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You flatter yourself.

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dgb, even if copter was a SK, what would you have the town do?

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That is correct. That you would even bring up rof-SK is hella scummy, because any neutral alignment is going to play to kill fallen angels right now.

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Hurt Nuwen

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Scumteam:

Firestarter, Nuwen, DGB and Yosarian?

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Who's gonna distance at this point in the game? Are you kidding me?

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I'm still alive, ba-bay!

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Maybe its not in my interest to advertise this fact, but I have 12hp. I am a loyal Arel.

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Finish me, scum21.

Heaven has been impatient to claim me.

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The town self-destructed itself by going after the wrong players every time until it was too late.

Nuwen was obvscum but she was a seraph so no one wanted to fuck with her, and DGB would have gone down if Seraphim and Xyl didn't protect her so much.

The problem was that I kept picturing DGB in the QT saying "DONT DISTANCE DONT DISTANCE" so every time someone agreed with DGB I thought they were scum lol

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I couldn't go after dgb because Fonz of all people was defending her lol

She gave off so many red flags to me, like "oh scum can daytalk? really?", when she's the first to point that out as town.

Nuwen was obvscum because of the opportunistic timing of her claim and her killing of Walt. I mean why didn't anyone build a case on her lol

Giuseppe is the only one that remained well hidden behind the drove of people that suspected me.

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WHERE DID YOU DEFEND DGB? OMG. IF NOT FOR YOU I WOULD HAVE HURT HER EVERY DAY YOU KNOW.

Anyway.

From page 35 until late-game my play sucked because everyone was just attacking me for being anti-town or some such bullshit. I felt really hurt when Weyouns attacked me out of nowhere. That disgusted me from the game.

Honestly I think I would have done a better job if I had an alt.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 64#1564164

You said this at a pivotal point in the game.

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Uhhh dgb. In that one game where I threatened to bus you, you threatened to bus me first and kept overreacting to me. It worked out well in the end, but it could have gone either way. And I made the right call to not do the NK since I

was

being tracked, after all.

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Wow, good play scum!

This game was just too fast, we were too scared of the weekend rage points. I don't why I got hurt really, but often when I start to talk, people find me (too) suspicious when I'm playing town. For some reason, when I'm scum and I start talking people suspect me less (luckily)...

Also the addition of Satan was quite nice. I think q21 did a good job on that. The claim of Michael was nice. Although the thought of a serial did cross my mind.

Anyhowz, a big applause for Mr. Flay! Thanks for running this, must've been one hell of a job... It was a lot of fun to play, and I'd love to join in a next version.

I really hated you bigtime. I still feel anger when I think about you.

Like....how could you? I can't get over it.

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She gave off so many red flags to me, like "oh scum can daytalk? really?", when she's the first to point that out as town.

I have said that as town, too, and recently. Ongoing game etc.

I still find that you played very poorly this game. The town just did worse than you.

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Copter and Fonz = confirmed town. Come ON. It was totally obvious.

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Uhhh dgb. In that one game where I threatened to bus you, you threatened to bus me first and kept overreacting to me. It worked out well in the end, but it could have gone either way. And I made the right call to not do the NK since I

was

being tracked, after all.

After you claimed miller, we WANTED you to get caught. Of course we put you up to the kill. The faster you were out, the better. We couldn't wait to be rid of you. We were able to have a pleasant, friendly, collegial game after that, and thank you for quitting, it was the right thing to do.

Yes it was the right thing to do. If the town doesn't work together then it suffers, and it must be that way for scum also IMO.

I know what you

wanted

. But if I bussed you it would have been the same thing, just reversed, and we both still would have ended up winning. That town was bad, like worse than this town bad.

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Basically, the problem here was, whenever we suspected a group of players, the town member of that group got hurt first, and then their flip took the pressure off the scum member.

Exactly.

And no one wanted to attack the Seraph-scum.

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See? You have a huge ego dgb.

Despite what everyone else is saying, I think roflcopter played a strong game, and just got very unlucky.

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Basically, the problem here was, whenever we suspected a group of players, the town member of that group got hurt first, and then their flip took the pressure off the scum member.

Using the heal mechanic more liberally would have helped confirmed some players as town, as some of our kill attempts were bound to be discovered. A slower pace, making deeper cases, healing pro-town players would have made this game a prolonged, living nightmare for us.

Except we couldn't agree on who was pro-town.

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You're just pissed off because all my other scum partners think I'm a great team player. And they don't see the light like you.

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Except we couldn't agree on who was pro-town.

It all went too fast. Healers/dissenters were silenced because of the speedlynch standing order, and everyone was encouraged to pile on the current hurt leader, fast, fast, fast, for the flimsiest reason. Anyone trying to slow things down became suspicious.

I don't disagree.

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You're just pissed off because all my other scum partners think I'm a great team player. And they don't see the light like you.

Look in my post on this very page, I wrote, "I see the light!" So I see the light. You can relax, now.

I know you see the light. Alllll my other partners are in the dark. They don't know my secret plan to play to survive.

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Yeah man. I mean wtf with Giuseppe. That was horrid.

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dgb, you don't hold the answers to winning, kthx. Your "solution" is just WIFOM.

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/prein

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About the game itself, I don't like the setup. I'd rather have more scum and less RP.

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If anything, I think this game was pretty heavily balanced in favor of the town. Scum basically had to play an almost perfect game to even have a chance.

Our power roles didn't know what they were doing.

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Oh! I found DGB's theme song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZxf2yd8 ... re=related

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God damn. The first 50 pages of the QT are about the scum looking for an angle to kill me.

No wonder.

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God damn. The first 50 pages of the QT are about the scum looking for an angle to kill me.

No wonder.

dude, DGB totally had it in for ya... I guess she was scared you would be onto her?

Yeah I suspected her from the beginning, before she even said anything about me.

I'm sad I didn't make my case on Nuwen.

This game was MUCH MUCH close than I imagined it.

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I knew what DGB would do as scum: that she would call for no bussing no distancing and all that, and to focus all the scum on one player, but what fucked me up was that at every turn, there were players who were falling exactly into the scum's hands:

Kinetic: as soon as we pressured him he became horridly anti-town and started attacking copter, me, trying to bring the whole town down just because he feels there was some injustice against him.

Weyouns: I've never been so disappointed in a player in my entire stay on mafiascum.

Hoopla: Says that I have to die because I'm anti-town, not realizing that I was the scum's biggest threat.

Q21: SK. Not sure if he went after me because he thought I was a threat to him, or because he thought I was scum.

Zwet and Viqles: Sheep.

Nuwen and Giuseppe: Piece of cake for them to attack me now since they were among many other players.

My late game performance was disastrous, yes. Its interesting that even with a majority of players wanting me dead, the scum couldn't get rid of me because of players like roflcopter, Fonz, etc.

Xyl: I think he thought that DGB was town because DGB was supporting him with everything. Clever move by the scum there.

You know, people said that I support whoever supports me, so the easiest way for scum to win is just do whatever I say. This is simply not true, and the scum realized this after Shinnen supported me, and I hurt her. A truer statement would be that Xyl supports whoever supports him. He didn't suspect a thing.

Another wise move by the scum not to hurt me, and I curse Weyouns one more time for being the first one to hurt me. That must have been the happiest moment in the world for the scum/SK.

I wish Walt had claimed Seraph instead of saying "Nuwen and Copter will bring us to victory so it doesn't matter if the rest of us die!"

I don't think I played terribly, but I definitely did a bad job by my own standards. Xyl / Seraphim getting lynched shouldn't have happened. I goofed that one bad.

But then again, Xyl was so damn brainwashed by the scum he might as well have been scum himself. I should have trusted my initial instincts.

I'm happy for this game in retrospect. Thanks for the game Flay; I just achieved another milestone in my game.

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The difference between you and me is our intentions.

Town: You played HORRIBLY. And not the good horrible, like Dr. Horrible. I mean like you wanted to lose horrible.

You want town to lose. I want town to win.

You feel that a great injustice was inflicted on you and you will try to make the town lose.

I will go down fighting SCUM.

That's the difference, Kinetic. And that's what makes me a better team player than you.

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I'm sorry, wrong quote. This is the correct quote:

My attackers were utter idiots, but your move was calm and calculated. I knew you were scum and I held my tongue because at that point in the game I wanted town to lose for letting the wild dogs run free and not taking them outside and killing them.

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Oh and Firestarter, you played a great game. Much respect for you.

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Yo Flay! Make a Loyal majority vs. Fallen minority again! I want to be one of the good guys again

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@ Kinetic

I'm really glad that you died early and no one listened to you.

I think Kinetic would have gunned for you, do you disagree?

A Kinetic regime would have destroyed me, roflcopter and Fonz mid-game...and the end result would have been the same.

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The difference between you and me is our intentions.

Town: You played HORRIBLY. And not the good horrible, like Dr. Horrible. I mean like you wanted to lose horrible.

You want town to lose. I want town to win.

You feel that a great injustice was inflicted on you and you will try to make the town lose.

I will go down fighting SCUM.

That's the difference, Kinetic. And that's what makes me a better team player than you.

Bad Team Player?

You helped kill me not because you thought I was scum, but because we had a disagreement over HOW to play the game. You wanted to kill me so that you could run the game the way you wanted.

That is the reason I'm a better player than you.

The ENTIRE time you were attacking me I wasn't sure if you were scum or not and I was asking for HEALS because I didn't want to hurt what I thought were townies.

If we had followed the way I wanted to play instead of being FORCED to play by your, fonz, and rofl's rules, we would have won.

QFT except the part where you say that you're a better player than me, because a better player than me would have to at least want his team to win.

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Perhaps, Kinetic, perhaps...

But then again, you weren't on the Shinnen lynch and you didn't cripple the scum in the beginning. This led to you having less credibility, and to your downfall. If I were to play War in Heaven III, then yes, your plan is ideal. Just don't think that you played a perfect game, that's all.

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ABR, I wanted my team to win. But I was disgusted by what my team was allowing to go on. Thus, while I still wanted to win, I didn't have any motivation to help them in that regard because they refused to stand up to the bullies of the thread.

I understand this. But who do you mean by "the town"??? Which specific players did you want to make a difference?

Xyl was one of the main proponents of hurting without majority consensus along with copter, Fonz and me. 4 of the 5 most active town members were hurting as much as possible, Tajo being the only one left out.

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Perhaps, Kinetic, perhaps...

But then again, you weren't on the Shinnen lynch and you didn't cripple the scum in the beginning. This led to you having less credibility, and to your downfall. If I were to play War in Heaven III, then yes, your plan is ideal. Just don't think that you played a perfect game, that's all.

I WAS THE TURNING POINT OF THAT LYNCH!

You were the 4th on that lynch, after Fonz, Copter, and me,

in that order

.

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Perhaps, Kinetic, perhaps...

But then again, you weren't on the Shinnen lynch and you didn't cripple the scum in the beginning. This led to you having less credibility, and to your downfall. If I were to play War in Heaven III, then yes, your plan is ideal. Just don't think that you played a perfect game, that's all.

I WAS THE TURNING POINT OF THAT LYNCH!

You were the 4th on that lynch, after Fonz, Copter, and me,

in that order

.

# Shinnen_no_Me - Hurt by: Albert B. Rampage, The Fonz, Kinetic (3) Healed by: Seraphim (1)

Fail again.

Please re-read. Fonz made the case. Roflcopter wrote "I SUPPORT FONZ". And then I landed the first hurt.

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I'm convinced my main reason for dying was not agreeing to be bullied by Rofl, ABR, and Fonz and not because any of them thought I was scum.

A more accurate way of putting things: I thought you were scum at first. Then you convinced me you were town. And that's when you got ragekilled.

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Come on guys, settle down.

I know, I know. Fine.

Kinetic, I call ceasefire on the post-game arguments because I think we agree on 99% of the issues of why we lost.

Let's just all blame this loss on zwet.

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We all got to play again together soon...this game was too much fun.

Yeah, I know

I'm sorry Kinetic. I'm sorry guys. You know I love you all.

dgb too.

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I really don't have an issue with you ABR, and I see a lot of myself in you.

lol I may grow up to be like you

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DGB's play really makes me laugh in good heart this game.

---

DGB:"I'm just gonna say that ABR is town so he won't attack me."

*I attack her*

DGB:"Fuck this brat, I'm going to post a case against him."

*I reply logically*

DGB:"Fuck that!!!! I'm going to just troll the SHIT outta him until he loses his fucking sanity!"

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I realize that I looked super-aggressive myself, but I actually used almost all of my hurts where there was a strong consensus.

Not true, you hurt Walt without any consensus at all.

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You have no basis to defend zwet. At no point whatsoever did zwet do

anything

pro-town. All he did was attack townies, with little to no explanation. He never suspected a single scum, not even for a second.

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Oh please. I'm not trying to make myself feel better for christ's sake. I'm not bragging that I voiced suspicion / hurt 3 of the 4 scum. So please.

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Oh please. I'm not trying to make myself feel better for christ's sake. I'm not bragging that I voiced suspicion / hurt 3 of the 4 scum. So please.

You would have been more valuable if you werent that agressive.

And zwet would have value to the town if he didn't announce when he started his observe cycles.

Whatever people say about me, I try to give my games a minimum level of thought at least.

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I'm not going to talk about this anymore. Anyone who thinks I'm wrong, just play a few games with zwet, and then we'll talk.

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fail

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O.K. thanks for the constructive criticism Flay.

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Hey, don't insult my internet persona.