This for example. Scum would provoke people like that?Juls wrote:I told people I had a test today and I would catch up after the test...it is likely I won't get anything up of substance until tomorrow because I won't be able to catch up. Stop threatening to kill me and just do it if you are going to. If you are I won't catch up. There is so much attitude in this game I really don't give a shit if I get killed or not.
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We might start to heal people that shouldnt be in that list. Rage points are a potential problem right now.Seraphim wrote:Alright, I'll be willing to lay off of Juls(as I'm somewhat convinced, though I still wish she would at least defend herself a little better) if you can name another viable suspect right now that I can hurt.Call me Tajo.
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I understand this but all this behavior is also ext possible to come from a player that has no time.DrippingGoofball wrote:
I'll be delighted to explain it once more. I'll increase the level of detail.populartajo wrote:So, Juls is scum why?
In her first 12 posts, she starts off participating, but mostly IIoA, chiming in lightly on strategy, nothing deep. She quickly zeroes in on Xyl (who leans town in my book), and Kinetic (who leans firmly town in my book). She says nothing else on any other player. She's very stingy with her opinions and suspicions. She's not a carefree scum hunter, she's calculating each move to give herself out as little as possible.
In keeping with this strategy of not giving oneself away one iota, and meekly pushing non-cases against the wrong players, she switches gears in post #13 and she becomes ABR's zombie. This relieves her of any responsibility in her hurt choices, and completely obliterates any possible scumtell on her, that doesn't also taint ABR, and taint ABR to a greater extent than it does her.
So. If ABR is town, she made herself into ABR's Kuato (Total Recall movie reference), and intends for him to take the fall while she plays innocent follower. She may also try to avoid attracting ABR's attention in a negative way at the same time, so if ABR is town, she's hitting two birds with one stone. Maybe ABR is being Kuato'd by Juls, haha. I like that. It's a new verb.
If ABR is scum, then my theory is that they've had some tiff in the QT, and she decided to obey him under threat.
Regardless of ABR's alignment, she's scummy all the way. More so than ABR.
Let her catch up and not treat her to hurt her. If she is scum, it would become too obvious. Trust me.Call me Tajo.
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LOL, you have no idea how many mislynches I have prevented.DrippingGoofball wrote:
I'm thinking you don't want anyone lynched, hahahhaha.populartajo wrote:
Im thinking that Juls shouldnt be in this list also.DrippingGoofball wrote:Xyl, Kinetic, zwet and Firestarter should NOT be on this list.
Sometimes I get wrong, though but I have an outstanding good record.Call me Tajo.
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As I said, let her catch up. Im not saying she is obv town. Im only saying that there is nothing that indicates obv scum behaviour. It will become obvious if she is scum when she catches up. Trust me.DrippingGoofball wrote:
No. I've seen plenty of players that are busy and post scantily. That's not what they do. They don't Kuato other players (I had to use it again ), and they express more opinions. They spend less time complaining about being persecuted.populartajo wrote:I understand this but all this behavior is also ext possible to come from a player that has no time.
For the record, I though Shinnen was scum. Im evaluating Techi right now and would like to hear him once he comes back in Sunday(!). WLC and q21 are next on my list. Im still disliking viqles for some reason.Call me Tajo.
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We shouldnt prove why someone is town. We should prove why someone is scum. Im with Xyl here.roflcopter wrote:
i'd prefer you lay out a convincing case for why kinetic is town, because you're suddenly switching your modus operandi in this game and its really weird.Xylthixlm wrote:
I will unless roflcopter actually lays out a convincing case in the next 3 hours.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Do it please.Xylthixlm wrote:Intent to Heal: KineticCall me Tajo.
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Actually Shinnen was attacking him also. They could have coordinated but I dont find it that likely specially knowing how Shinnen attacked him.Kinetic wrote:Seraphim wrote:The problem with killing Rofl is how he's almost confirmed town at this point. I would love to kill him for his play but killing a nearly confirmed town power role would be amazingly difficult.
If I am to die and you learn nothing from my death, learn this:
ROFL IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE, CONFIRMED TOWN.
At BEST he has a 50% chance of being town and being scum.
Right now there is 4 total claimed seraphim, one who is dead and scum. There is debate, could there be two scum seraphim and two town seraphim, or is it 3 town seraphim and 1 scum seraphim?
There is no other choices. That means, WHILE THERE IS A CHANCE ANOTHER SCUM can be Seraphim, there is a CHANCE Rofl is scum. There are 2 possibilities available, and in one of the Rofl not only can, but most likely IS SCUM.
I'd also like to point out how late Rofl was on the Shinnen bandwagon... Mayhaps his was the bus?
LOOK at Rofl's place since Walt revealed as Seraphim. He's made a DRAMATIC change. He went from confirmed town, acting aloof, to a raging LUNATIC!
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You may as well use your scumhunting techniques to find obvscum target soon. Attacking rolf, that I think has small probs of being scum, is not the way to go.Kinetic wrote:Let the Rabid dog run free of his chain then and kill you all.Call me Tajo.
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Rolf besides Seraphim, Kinetic and me, do you have another target in mind? Maybe we could all get a consensus before hurting each other.roflcopter wrote:
that was my plan at this pointXylthixlm wrote:roflcopter, tell you what. I will not heal kinetic if you will promise thatyou will not hurt anyone else until Kinetic is dead.
I'm fine with you being a really slow vig, even if you're wrong. But you have to stick with it. And I am not going to help you.Call me Tajo.
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You are basically telling the town to go against someone the majority thinks is town. its not going to work.Kinetic wrote:
If you haven't realized it yet I'm not caring anymore about this game. I've done everything I can and yet the town is still letting one player just kill me with no recourse, no case, and nothing.populartajo wrote:
You may as well use your scumhunting techniques to find obvscum target soon. Attacking rolf, that I think has small probs of being scum, is not the way to go.Kinetic wrote:Let the Rabid dog run free of his chain then and kill you all.
So whatever you want.
If the town grows some balls I'll actually care again. Until then I've resigned the fact that it doesn't matter.
It sucks to be attacked for no reason but you are not doing you any favor. If you are town, find another way to prove you are.Call me Tajo.
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Im not an English native speaker but am I wrong if I say that in this sentece Kinetic admits that there was a bus in the Shinnen wagon?Kinetic wrote:I'd also like to point out how late Rofl was on the Shinnen bandwagon...Mayhaps his was the bus?Call me Tajo.
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I thought they played in a game together before. Right?Xylthixlm wrote:I think the biggest question for Juls is why she thought ABR was the most protown player. Sure, he wasn't attracting much suspicion then... but most protown?Call me Tajo.
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Kay, I was only asking. It just seems that with "MayhapsKinetic wrote:
Admits? That's a stretch. And its not something I can confirm or deny, I'd have to be scum to know the answer to that.populartajo wrote:
Im not an English native speaker but am I wrong if I say that in this sentece Kinetic admits that there was a bus in the Shinnen wagon?Kinetic wrote:I'd also like to point out how late Rofl was on the Shinnen bandwagon...Mayhaps his was the bus?
Merely an observation that if there was a bus (of which I am far from the first person to bring that up), it can certainly be concluded that Rofl was the one driving it.hiswas the bus?" you are saying that you know that there was a bus in the Shinnen lynch. Thing you would only certainly know if you were scum.Call me Tajo.
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Would they be too obvious so early?Juls wrote:Xyl...care to heal me back since I healed you?
I'm not getting as negative a vibe off of Kinetic as some of the rest of you but maybe just a firing off bad ideas vibe.
I get pretty good feelings from tajo and ABR. Although it is a bit disingenuous to call people lurkers so early tajo. For future reference, I have no access at work on M-F but occassionally get a lunch time post in here and there. I am pretty active on weekends.
Im still thinking that Juls liked ABR playstyle and choose him for afinity reasons.Call me Tajo.
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Actually, Im thinking that 2-2 Seraphim is more possible than I thought.Nuwen wrote:
Juls first, then either ABR or Rolf (depending on how Walt flips,Seraphim wrote:I'm just throwing this out there: I don't have anything concrete yet but I wonder if there's anyone willing to back me up on an ABR hurt.ifhe flips). A town Walt makes Rofl more likely to be scum; I think a 2:2 Seraphim setup is safer to assume than a 3:1. Although the ABR/Juls hydra and Rofl have been acting in tandem lately, I consider Juls to be the scummiest. A pro-town Juls should have requested a replacement, rather than seeking an excuse to empower another player in the game.
For the purposes of hurt backing, I'd like to count ABR and Juls as a single entity. There's no independent thought coming from Juls; her backing is equivalent to ABR double-posting support.
I do not endorse hurts on Kinetic, Xyl, or Firestarter (pending his post).
Lets look at some numbers.
Scum could have, assuming max number 5:
2 Seraphs (scum with so-so PR)
2 Arels (scum with weak PR)
1 Cherub (goon)Call me Tajo.
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Im pondering how likely would there be an scum Ophan?Xylthixlm wrote:
You missed the Ophen.populartajo wrote:Actually, Im thinking that 2-2 Seraphim is more possible than I thought.
Lets look at some numbers.
Scum could have, assuming max number 5:
2 Seraphs (scum with so-so PR)
2 Arels (scum with weak PR)
1 Cherub (goon)
Anyways, this is why Walt's apparent trust of Nuwen/roflcopter didn't fit with his Seraph claim. Having four claimed Seraphs makes it much more likely that two of them are scum.
I dont think he trusting Nuwen/rolf is a negative point of his claim considering 3-1 Seraph is also likely.Call me Tajo.
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There wasnt a scum Ophan in the other game.Xylthixlm wrote:
Pretty likely, even if it's not too useful.populartajo wrote:Im pondering how likely would there be an scum Ophan?
Here's my guess for what WaltWishbone was thinking would happen...populartajo wrote:I dont think he trusting Nuwen/rolf is a negative point of his claim considering 3-1 Seraph is also likely.WaltWishbone's imagination wrote:WaltWishbone: "We should trust roflcopter and Nuwen, they're confirmed because they claimed Seraph!"
Everyone: "Yes! roflcopter and Nuwen are confirmed town!"
WaltWishbone: "I am a Seraph too!"
Everyone: "Yes! WaltWishbone is confirmed town!"
WaltWishbone: "Yes! I am confirmed town! Everyone hurt Xyl for attacking a confirmed town!"
Everyone: "Hurt: Xyl!"
About Walt, I think its extremely possible he could OMGUS you and all his attackers as town since eveyrbody was attacking him for the weakest reasons ever.
You still think Walt is scum?Call me Tajo.
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Well, nobody thinks that Nuwen is scum. I think that if a Seraphim has to be scum, it would be you.roflcopter wrote:
i was the first seraph claimXylthixlm wrote:
I don't follow.roflcopter wrote:most likely seraphim scenario is 3-1, if it were 2-2 i can't see nuwen claiming when shinnen-scum was the one who was clearly about to get lynched, as two seraphim in the scumgroup would almost certainly lead scum to conclude that there are at least two seraphim outside the scumgroup.
shortly thereafter, shinnen claims seraph
we now know shinnen is scum. suppose there are two scum seraphs, one of whom is still unclaimed at the point when shinnen and i had claimed, for the sake of argument. the scum know they have two seraphs. the logical conclusion for the scum to make based on this is that there must be at least two town seraphs. so it would not be a good place for a second scum seraph to claim, because it won't make them seem confirmed, as there will be another seraph out there somewhere to claim as well.
this is why i think the timing of nuwen's claim argues strongly for nuwen town.
3:1 against 2:2. The mini had 1-1 Seraphim distribution, just like in the Marathon game. But, 2 Seraphims maybe its too much, considering Flay thought he had to make scum less powered.
Blerg, I really dont know.Call me Tajo.
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Did you just kill Wishbone?Nuwen wrote:
Speaking of fallacies, I really dislike your earlier misplaced burden of proof:roflcopter wrote:for posterity, lets list some appeals that kinetic has been making recently
appeal to emotion
appeal to fear
appeal to authority
there's probably more fallacies going on, but those are the ones that really pop out
With this statement, you're attempting to hit two independent birds: Xyl's tactical shift from mathematically lynching to informed lynching, and Kinetic.roflcopter wrote:
i'd prefer you lay out a convincing case for why kinetic is town, because you're suddenly switching your modus operandi in this game and its really weird.Xylthixlm wrote:
I will unless roflcopter actually lays out a convincing case in the next 3 hours.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Do it please.Xylthixlm wrote:Intent to Heal: Kinetic
Hurt: Walt-Flavor containing the word BLADE, for God made Latin and saw it was not good.
I realize the most support for Walt's death has crumbled, but I still think his flip as a Seraph will help determine Rofl's alignment. If he turns up scum, I'll feel slightly more at ease with Rofl's erratic play. If he's town, as most people seem to now suspect, my next hurts are hitting Juls, then Rofl.
/facepalm.Call me Tajo.
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Yes, yes but Walt WAS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS TOWN.Nuwen wrote:
I said the same thing earlier.roflcopter wrote:see, suddenly all my faith in nuwen has evaporated, because she's now setting up lynches based on killing someone and them flipping town
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Juls first, then either ABR or Rolf (depending on how Walt flips,Seraphim wrote:I'm just throwing this out there: I don't have anything concrete yet but I wonder if there's anyone willing to back me up on an ABR hurt.ifhe flips). A town Walt makes Rofl more likely to be scum; I think a 2:2 Seraphim setup is safer to assume than a 3:1.Call me Tajo.
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Dont you know to analyse people's reactions when they think they are dead?Nuwen wrote:
Absolutely. Given the choice between a probability game and using psychological reads, the former is much more appealing.populartajo wrote: Did you just kill Wishbone?
/facepalm.
No, Walt was not obvtown. His claim came conveniently after a long series of "OMG SERAPH = TOWN" posts, he has completely tunneled Xyl and every piece of his contribution to his game has been in response to pressure in his direction -zeroactive scumhunting.Call me Tajo.
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Actually so far in this game I have been right with Shinnen and Hoopla. I think Im right even before Walt's flip.DrippingGoofball wrote:NEWS BRIEF
Poptartajo's scumdar is broken. The parts are back order until October 2014.Call me Tajo.
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DONT COPY MY IDEAS, YOU LURKER.Giuseppe wrote:I don't recommend healing Walt. We need to see his flip, and I'm proposing this as a new policy. Everything up to now would be exempt.
That said, when hurting, a person would have to provide a list of at least 5 players who would support the action beside the name, and if one objects, they'd heal the hurt done.
This way, we can have a stronger majority within the town, and regulate the loose cannons.
For example: *Using Vote is intentional. I can't hurt Juls yet*
Vote: Juls (Supported by A, B, C, D, and E)
If any objects, they'd heal, and the point would be moot. I find this a nice system to reinstate some order in this game, and to defactionalize the town.
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THE VOTING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REVIVED TO BRING ORDER TO THIS CHAOS.
THE VOTING SYSTEM THINKS IN YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE IF YOU ARE NOT A FALLEN ANGLE.
THE VOTING SYSTEM CAN TAKE CARE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS. IT WOULD BE NOT AS FAST AS HURTING ANARCHY BUT IT WOULD BE ORDERED.
VOTE VOTING SYSTEM NAO.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO.
YES WE CAN.Call me Tajo.
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Bumping this in first post so everyone sees it.populartajo wrote:THE VOTING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REVIVED TO BRING ORDER TO THIS CHAOS.
THE VOTING SYSTEM THINKS IN YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE IF YOU ARE NOT A FALLEN ANGLE.
THE VOTING SYSTEM CAN TAKE CARE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS. IT WOULD BE NOT AS FAST AS HURTING ANARCHY BUT IT WOULD BE ORDERED.
VOTE VOTING SYSTEM NAO.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO.
YES WE CAN.
YES WE CAN.Call me Tajo.
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Just like hurting to death someone that was so painfully obvtown?Nuwen wrote:
Put a sock in it and stop trying to disrupt scum-hunting with fifty-page-old discussion. A voting system would cripple the town with one guy playing catchup and another V/LA until next Sunday. Originally, the voting had equal merits and pitfalls to the buddy system. Pushing for it now is just retarded.populartajo wrote:THE VOTING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REVIVED TO BRING ORDER TO THIS CHAOS.
THE VOTING SYSTEM THINKS IN YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE IF YOU ARE NOT A FALLEN ANGLE.
THE VOTING SYSTEM CAN TAKE CARE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS. IT WOULD BE NOT AS FAST AS HURTING ANARCHY BUT IT WOULD BE ORDERED.
VOTE VOTING SYSTEM NAO.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO.
YES WE CAN.
It was a joke. Relax.Call me Tajo.
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You think there is a Scum Ophan in this game?q21 wrote:
Doubt that all three claimed Ophanim are town and the fact that I feel you're the most likely to be scum.zwetschenwasser wrote:q21, what exactly makes you so comfortable with lynching a claimed Ophanim?Call me Tajo.
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Juls, ask for a replacement. You are hurting your team, whichever it is. You are not playing to win.Juls wrote:Am I dead in this game?
I just want to know before I waste time reading it.Call me Tajo.
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Yes you are dead.Juls wrote:Please answer the question...am I dead? If I am not I will reread...if I am then I won't.
Ask for a replacement.
You know you are hurting your team. Since I think you are town, you are hurting my team.
Please do it and play some Marathon Games.Call me Tajo.
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When did I think that damage anarchy is good?The Fonz wrote:
So now hurting anarchy is bad again? After you've been completely unwilling to take action on people hurting without support because it was ok now we killed a scum? Man, my head hurts.populartajo wrote:THE VOTING SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REVIVED TO BRING ORDER TO THIS CHAOS.
THE VOTING SYSTEM THINKS IN YOUR RIGHT TO LIVE IF YOU ARE NOT A FALLEN ANGLE.
THE VOTING SYSTEM CAN TAKE CARE OF THE FALLEN ANGELS. IT WOULD BE NOT AS FAST AS HURTING ANARCHY BUT IT WOULD BE ORDERED.
VOTE VOTING SYSTEM NAO.
GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO.
YES WE CAN.
Hurt Zwet or Kinetic. They're the ones who hurt without making a case or waiting for support. THE WHOLE BLOODY POINT OF THE BUDDY SYSTEM IS TO REQUIRE PEOPLE TO MAKE CASES AND CANVAS FOR SUPPORT BEFORE THE HURTING STARTS.Giuseppe wrote:The Buddy System isn't being used. How can we enforce it?
A claimed Ophan. Ophanim is the plural. But sure, why not? There are scum seraphim. There's likely a scum ophan.zwetschenwasser wrote:q21, what exactly makes you so comfortable with lynching a claimed Ophanim?
That said, my middle of the road scum detector is starting to ping on Q21. I'm not going to call the hurt yet, because I need to re-assess, and there are other players i'm suspicious of... but i thought i'd point it out.
Its just that why should I waste time when no one listens.
Catching SHinneN D1 its not a direct consequence of damage anarchy. It was just luck.Call me Tajo.
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Lol, I always have this effect in women.Juls wrote:Damnit Tajo do you not read? I won't be HURTING my team if I can catch up. I am doing that BEFORE I play any marathon games. Now will somebody just answer the damn question...am I dead in the eyes of the mod or not? Two games with you is enough to make someone pull all their damn hair out!
You are not dead, Juls but you'll need to be active all the time if you manage to survive. Since you work all the week and specially knowing that you want to play Marathon games. this weekend, well, I think you NEED A REPLACEMENT.
Its not about you. Its about the speed of the game. You dont have enough time for this.Call me Tajo.
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WE NEED ONLY A SYSTEM, DA.Giuseppe wrote:@Fons- I'll be instituting my policy on this game once we have a flip on Walt, and I can reevaluate my scum opinions. You can expect me to act on people who don't use the Buddy System or my system. Those in favor of my system should use it, those in favor of the Buddy System should always use it. It'll catch on faster.
@Juls- No, you're not. To the best of my recollection.
You think Walt can come up scum?Call me Tajo.
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LULZ.Nuwen wrote:
i dontk' think rofl and walt used drunkenness as an excuse, but rather an explananation. there's a divergence between excuse, which admits culpability in intent, and misguided or -illaffected action. the former is inherentlyu scummy and will appear so, because it's offfered as an explanation to remove suspicion rather than an extension of clarity. thepopulartajo wrote:
Why when you are wrong all of you use the drink excuse?Nuwen wrote:I'm an angry drinker.
walt just started using archaic contractions of 'it is' and 'it was.'
i don't remember what rofl didn, but it didn't seem like slipdrunk wriggling. i'll use my backreading time machine to confirm.Call me Tajo.
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Im V/LA until tomorrow, maybe Monday.
I skimmed the last pages. Guys, if something is going to lose the game is THE FUCKING EGOS you all have. GET OVER IT.
Both Kin and ABR are town.
Xyl lost town points like shit. I need to reeavaluate him.Call me Tajo.
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Fonz, zwet is town.The Fonz wrote:
MASSIVE MISREP. Never said anything of the sort.zwetschenwasser wrote:I'm surprised and upset at Fonz's attempt at making me render my watch completely useless by claiming who I'm watchingCall me Tajo.
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Also, I dont get this new system Fonz is proposing. Can you clarify?
Firestarter become obv town in the last pages. Seraphim is still town.
Xyl and rolf are starting to worry me. The rabbit is convincing in his "Xyl should be lurkerhunting if town". Again, Im a little biased since I feel Xyl is town but after MS3 I should think twice before peggin him so quick.
Now if there is a scum in Nuwen-rolf it would be pretty much the rabbit if it werent for Nuwen's killing of obvtown Walt.
Basically we should decide between one of them since 2-2 Seraphims is a probability we shouldnt discount and that I stupidly discarded earlier. Nuwen needs to come back asap.Call me Tajo.
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Rabbit, you think Nuwen is scum?roflcopter wrote:
but you can be vocally suspicious of multiple players. i believe in common parlance its called an "FoS".fonz wrote:Rofl, what's your fucking problem? You can only vote one player at a time in a normal game.Call me Tajo.
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You know that votes would work awesome in this situation?The Fonz wrote:
Yes... but a hurt is stronger than a normal vote. So you need more backing than normal, not less. You can have a secondary suspect if you want, but you need to concentrate your fire on no1 (or rather, the most viable wagon you can bring yourself to support).roflcopter wrote:
but you can be vocally suspicious of multiple players. i believe in common parlance its called an "FoS".fonz wrote:Rofl, what's your fucking problem? You can only vote one player at a time in a normal game.Call me Tajo.
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You know that votes would work excelent in this siatuation. (consolidatign wagons)The Fonz wrote:No, it is to stop random damage and consolidate wagons. You don't have nukes because you want to use them.Call me Tajo.
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SO why are you going with xyl and not with nuwen that has more probs of being scum from your POV?roflcopter wrote:
most likely. between killing walt and setting up a string of lynches based on the fact that walt flipped town (something she set up BEFORE killing walt i might add) i would be very supportive of any momentum to see her dead. however, she has 12 hp, and i can't effectively kill her on my own without taking more than a week to do it.populartajo wrote:
Rabbit, you think Nuwen is scum?roflcopter wrote:
but you can be vocally suspicious of multiple players. i believe in common parlance its called an "FoS".fonz wrote:Rofl, what's your fucking problem? You can only vote one player at a time in a normal game.Call me Tajo.
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Gut. Answers to Rolf's accusations. It could change if both are scumbuddies, though.The Fonz wrote:Same system it was from the start, except that a) mimimum number of people on a wagon is now three and not two and b) we've put together a dedicated squad to kill anyone dealing out what you call random damage.
Why do you have seraphim as town? His is the Shinnen hurt that looks most bus-like.Call me Tajo.
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But does she have to be scum from your POV or do you think she still can be town?roflcopter wrote:
did you miss the part where i said she has 12 hp and it would take me more than a week? because the unspoken second part of that is it will be quicker to kill xyl.populartajo wrote:
SO why are you going with xyl and not with nuwen that has more probs of being scum from your POV?roflcopter wrote:
most likely. between killing walt and setting up a string of lynches based on the fact that walt flipped town (something she set up BEFORE killing walt i might add) i would be very supportive of any momentum to see her dead. however, she has 12 hp, and i can't effectively kill her on my own without taking more than a week to do it.populartajo wrote:
Rabbit, you think Nuwen is scum?roflcopter wrote:
but you can be vocally suspicious of multiple players. i believe in common parlance its called an "FoS".fonz wrote:Rofl, what's your fucking problem? You can only vote one player at a time in a normal game.
and nowhere there did i say she has a higher probability of being scum than xyl.Call me Tajo.
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That is a big problem but we can fix it like a normal game. Deadlines. If we dont get a consensus, the player with more votes is dead.The Fonz wrote:But votes, Tajo, require too much consensus and stall the game.
I mean, the only objective of this strategy is to AVOID people hurting like shit. If you suspect someone, vote for him/her. SUpport your case and you'd likely get the support of any reasonable mind.
We can spot bussing and sincere scumhunting in this scenario.
We AVOID people hurting like horses.Call me Tajo.
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You are not answering the question. WHo has more probs of coming scum: Xyl or Nuwen?roflcopter wrote:
when did you stop beating your wife?tajo wrote:But does she have to be scum from your POV or do you think she still can be town?
she could be town. i don't think its likely. xyl could be town too. but if so, he should probably just go back to irc and stop trying to play forum mafia.
HP bullshit is not the answer.Call me Tajo.
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No. It makes sense from a townie point of view.roflcopter wrote:
seraphim's answers to my accusations have been complete bullshitpopulartajo wrote:
Gut. Answers to Rolf's accusations. It could change if both are scumbuddies, though.The Fonz wrote:Same system it was from the start, except that a) mimimum number of people on a wagon is now three and not two and b) we've put together a dedicated squad to kill anyone dealing out what you call random damage.
Why do you have seraphim as town? His is the Shinnen hurt that looks most bus-like.Call me Tajo.
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NO, FUCK.roflcopter wrote:
they're equally likely to be scum as i believe they are both scum. therefore the "hp bullshit" is the answer, because i can kill xylthixlm sooner, and that is why i am hurting him.populartajo wrote:
You are not answering the question. WHo has more probs of coming scum: Xyl or Nuwen?roflcopter wrote:
when did you stop beating your wife?tajo wrote:But does she have to be scum from your POV or do you think she still can be town?
she could be town. i don't think its likely. xyl could be town too. but if so, he should probably just go back to irc and stop trying to play forum mafia.
HP bullshit is not the answer.
WHO IS MORE SCUM: XYL OR NUWEN?Call me Tajo.
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What do you think of this quote, after walt become obv town?rolf wrote:walt is pretty obviously town
most likely seraphim scenario is 3-1, if it were 2-2 i can't see nuwen claiming when shinnen-scum was the one who was clearly about to get lynched, as two seraphim in the scumgroup would almost certainly lead scum to conclude that there are at least two seraphim outside the scumgroup.Call me Tajo.
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And this one.roflcopter wrote:
i was the first seraph claimXylthixlm wrote:
I don't follow.roflcopter wrote:most likely seraphim scenario is 3-1, if it were 2-2 i can't see nuwen claiming when shinnen-scum was the one who was clearly about to get lynched, as two seraphim in the scumgroup would almost certainly lead scum to conclude that there are at least two seraphim outside the scumgroup.
shortly thereafter, shinnen claims seraph
we now know shinnen is scum. suppose there are two scum seraphs, one of whom is still unclaimed at the point when shinnen and i had claimed, for the sake of argument. the scum know they have two seraphs. the logical conclusion for the scum to make based on this is that there must be at least two town seraphs. so it would not be a good place for a second scum seraph to claim, because it won't make them seem confirmed, as there will be another seraph out there somewhere to claim as well.
this is why i think the timing of nuwen's claim argues strongly for nuwen town.Call me Tajo.
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Maybe your all case against her is OMGUS?roflcopter wrote:i missed that detail while i was deciding how likely a 3:1 vs 2:2 was, if i had seen you setting up my lynch ahead of time earlier i would have been a lot more uneasyCall me Tajo.
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So, this is a lie or this post is still too old to bring it back?roflcopter wrote:
when i fucking said so after she killed walt and decided based on the fact that walt was town that both juls and i also had to die.populartajo wrote:When did you realize that Nuwen was scum?Call me Tajo.
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Ill give you a last chance.roflcopter wrote:tajo, i don't even get what the fuck you're doing here, but its not helping anything
Why do you think Nuwen is scum and when did you realize that?Call me Tajo.
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No, no, say it one more time.roflcopter wrote:
ITS IN THE FUCKING THREAD ALREADY AS YOU JUST POINTED OUT.populartajo wrote:
Ill give you a last chance.roflcopter wrote:tajo, i don't even get what the fuck you're doing here, but its not helping anything
Why do you think Nuwen is scum and when did you realize that?
And chill. Nobody is yelling.Call me Tajo.
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Yeah, but you are giving an extreme example to prove that it would not work all the time.The Fonz wrote:
I've explained this problem. The only way this works is if you get reasonably close to a consensus, and convince those on the 'losing' wagons to stick to it. If you've got, say, 5-4-4, and a really badly divided town like this, it can't work.populartajo wrote:
That is a big problem but we can fix it like a normal game. Deadlines. If we dont get a consensus, the player with more votes is dead.The Fonz wrote:But votes, Tajo, require too much consensus and stall the game.
Why dont we give it a try? Also, the last people dying were hurt not by the majority of the town . They were hurt by the people who supported their deaths (5-6), kinda like it would be with a winning wagon.
Look, my proposal can be modified. My only objective is to AVOID PEOPLE RANDOMLY HURTING. I know there can be town in these hurting but it also is giving scum the perfect cover to hurt with no order Rage points is a real threat now.
Your system hasnt worked that well with so much anarchy and possible scum leading hurts or hiding behind intents to hurts. The Shinnen lynch was not a product of the Fonz system, FYI. All the townie deaths prob are. Specially Kinetic.Call me Tajo.
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Wrong answer. Im going to propose people hurting you. I have a bad feeling about you. and your sudden Nuwen is scum because she is attacking me (that is the logical option if you are a Town Seraphim and the other is a Scum Seraphim).roflcopter wrote:uh oh, you gave me ONE LAST CHANCE and i didn't do what you asked, what are you gonna do now?
In the best scenario, we get rid of an antitown ass.Call me Tajo.
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