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I need a better read on Xyl, however, but I'm fairly confident of my ability to tell whether or not he is scum as I was his scum partner during MS3. I see how he thinks but there isn't enough of him posting to figure him quite yet.
I agree with topping people off as if we want to concentrate fire on someone, nothing is going to stop us. Capping is a great way to protect against Rage points regardless of whether or not they exist or if they work the same as in previous games.
Also, I'll heal someone who hasn't capped out yet if they'll heal me back.-
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Soft-claim?roflcopter wrote:seraphim, just hurry up and omgus hurt me already, you don't need to bandy around with the intent to hurt crap to try and get support. i can almost guarantee you'll be dead before me anyway if you want to try and get into a hurt off.
And no, I won't hurt you because I'm not convinced you're scum yet. I'm merely saying that if you continue this stupid play of tunneling me and not hunting scum, I will start hurting you. And I, unlike you, will have a detailed, thought-out case before I start hurting people.-
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I have no idea why people think Xyl is scum. I've been reading nothing but town intent from him especially since he's going out of his way to make heal/hurt counts. If he was scum, he'd be a lot more aggressive and attempt to bullshit the town with useless information.
q21, I'll back you on zwet. The hurt on Xyl(as far as I can tell, there is no case), the reasoning for his hurt(one-liners, WTF, hypocrisy at its finest), and his active lurking(my town meta on him says that his short posts would be made more often if he was town) all add up to scum right now.
If this is not the best option, I think I would still back a Walt kill. His latest posts scream scum to me.-
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The case on zwet goes like this:
1. His posts have even less content than usual.
2. All of his posts attack Xyl
3. Obvious buddying with Juls. When Juls started hurting Xyl, guess who was right behind?
4. My town meta on Zwet says that he is scum on him.
5. His hypocritical hurt of Xyl
6. The fact that he can't keep up with the game even though all his posts sound rushed.-
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I've been doing that a lot lately in this game. I can see that there's a lot of support for it and not all of it can be scum-support, so there's definitely weight to the case. The problem is I'm not sure what the exact case is.
And I take no offense. I've had people say a lot worse to me about my playstyle.-
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Alright.
In this game, I quickly notice three groups emerging. There's the attackers, who want a fast game with quick hurts and fast kills, the healers who want full town consensus before making decisions and lots of healing, and the middlers who want fast kills but want at least some town consensus before attacking.
I think the scum are most likely to be the people with no opinion or who constantly jump opinions in order to fit whichever of these groups currently has the sweep of the board. At the beginning of the game, the aggressive players managed to grip the town by pointing out rage points and how quick deaths are best for the town. Then the healers took control of the board again by claiming that organized hurting/healing is best for the town. Right now, the aggressive players have control again, as evident by all the hurting going around right now.
Looking back, Hoopla seems to switch between the two extremes. At first, she was one of the first people to drop a hurt...and then proceeding to become one of Tajo's largest endorsers. Her constant switching of sides, not to mention healing players for no reason, does not seem town at all.
At the moment, I still want to heal Xyl tomorrow so that scum do not kill him. After that, I will continue to hurt zwet until he is dead and then start on Hoopla or Juls. Juls will immediately elevate if zwet flips scum as the town of them have been buddying against Xyl the entire game.-
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Agreed.Xylthixlm wrote:Ahem. Since I think this is getting lost in all the noise...
Seraphim: You will agree with zwetschenwasser that you will not heal me unless zwetschenwasser hurts me, so that both of you can be free to do something else.
zwetschenwasser: You will agree with Seraphim that you will not hurt me unless Seraphim heals me, so that both of you can be free to do something else.-
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I just seriously doubt that scum would stick their necks out this far if they were scum. Right now, I'm with Fonz that tajo is acting brain-addled right now.roflcopter wrote:
what a load of crap, you are scum with tajo, stop trying to get him false clearedSeraphim wrote:BTW, it's clear that tajo is leader of healer movement and the Fonz is leader of the aggressive movement...actually, I take that back, but he's definitely on the far end of that spectrum. At this point, I doubt either of them are scum.-
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1. Like hell I'm just going to say "Oh, alright, I'm scum, kill me." I don't think I'm scum, I don't think you're scum, but your tunneling is anti-town no matter how much you want to say I'm deflecting. I AM DEFLECTING BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ATTACKING ME WITH SHITTY REASONING. You had no case on me when I started and your case on me is bullshit. When I have more time, I'll break that apart for you.
2. Seeing as you are so convinced that tajo and I are scum together, why not make a bullshit case against him as well?-
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First of all, an update on the current situation:
Let's kill some people and have a healing cooldown phase where we heal some of the players who probably aren't scum. WaltWishbone, after his latest post, has piqued my scum meter. I am seriously reconsidering switching my hurt to him.
Hoopla's latest post is still scummy. I made a large, nice analysis post back a few pages detailing why you are scum. go check it out. Shinnen is not a Seraphim unless Flay missed Hoopla's damage.
rofl is not scum, Jesus Christ. You'll quickly notice that no one is backing him up on his suspicions meaning that he's acting on his own. As far as I can tell, his intentions, no matter how bullshitty, are town so I'm fairly sure he's town
Shinnen...not sure about Shinnen. But I do believe there was an ultimatum, that anyone who didn't hurt one of the players who already had damage on them will be killed. I am willing to back that up and kill Shinnen.
zwet, I will continue to hurt unless someone convinces me otherwise. This will be followed by Hoopla and then Walt.
Xyl still has no case on him and Walt's case on him is complete and total bullshit. Even more bullshit than Rofl's case on me. Speaking of that, I said I was going to dissect it...that's the next post.
Anyway...
NEXT PLAYER TO HURT A PLAYER WHO IS NOT ONE OF THE FOLLOWING: XYL, ROFL, SHINNEN, ZWET, WALTWISHBONE, OR HOOPLA WILL BE KILLED.
We have more than 25% of the town under normal HP. Can we please try to not let that happen again in the future?-
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My first post is...a first post. He hadn't posted enough to do anything that might allow me to gain a read on him. I have a town read on him right now. First posts aren't supposed to be amazing.his first post is an excuse for not saying anything about xyl's alignment, then agreeing with the common consensus that everyone should be healed up, then asking for a mutual heal. there is nothing in there that actually said anything. then his next post is just healing shinnen
And yes, I agreed with the mutual healing bit at the beginning of the game. Note the second part: it's important. I had not been in this sort of game before and people had pointed out the benefits of filling the town up. I still believe in those benefits as it makes it harder for scum to bring players down.
You could read it like that. But I prefer to translate that as "rofl, stop it, you're gonna get yourself lynched because of your erratic play, start hunting scum". Guess what? People are now hurting you because of your erratic play! who called it?he follows up with "rofl's crazy attacking is noted" which is code for "i'm not gonna take a stance on it now but if it becomes popular i now have my foot in the door to be suspicious of rofl"
I still see viq as suspicious. However, he has no damage on him and I plan on adhering to the plan. Tell me, why isn't viq suspicious? If you want to figure out why he's not town, go back and read his posts.next post, he supports abr's call for a kill on viq, remarks that the game moves fast, and says viq is the scummiest so far. without saying why. yet i'm the one who's getting bitched at for not giving enough support for my attacks? does anyone see yet why the whole viq pseudo wagon is a load of horse shit?
I was merely using my scum meta on him. You're doing the PBPA, figure that one out on your own. Also, you accuse me of lurking at that point in the game. Alright. Good for you. The game had been going on for a day, hunting lurkers OVER THE WEEKEND when ACTIVITY IS DOWN seems counterproductive. Killing the actual scum or the players who make minimal comments while lurking(LIKE ZWET) is the way to go.i absolutely love his following post. "vote viq. i don't think xyl is scum. too many people are following shin's non participatory example, but we should lynch the scummy people first then worry about lurkers." lets see... seraphim himself hasn't actually participated worth a damn up to this point, but he's bitching about people not participating? and he still hasn't said why he wants viq dead, nor does he give a good reason for why xyl is town, but i'm still the one people are getting up in arms about not giving reasons with what i do. thats great. really.
Regular lurkers wait out the game and post small comments of town goodness. Scummy lurkers post even less and agree with whatever has been said. Pretty much to show up and hurt someone.next, seraphim asks xyl whether juls and walt are lurkers, and says we should sort out the regular lurkers from the scummy lurkers. i'm not really sure what that is even supposed to mean, but seraphim has done nothing this game except buddy up to xyl.
Apparently no one has figured out why this is scummy because it's not. Think about why scum wouldn't commit to a single kill in a game like this."at least i'm committing to a kill." i'll let you geniuses figure out for yourselves why this is scummy.
I think that I deserved to know why he changed his tune so fast. There was no explanation...suddenly, he's attacking one player and then hurts a completely different one.stupid questions for abr that also serve to defend shinnen, and an unexplained unvote. i especially love the "for now" part, because he's still leaving himself open to the possibility of returning to his still unexplained viq vote. note also that the bullshit about scummy lurkers vs regular lurkers all also served to defend shinnen
You claimed you had more HP than me. That isn't a question for you to answer, it's a note to myself: rofl has soft-claimed a role with a lot of HP.and then the shining jewel in the pile of garbage that are his votes, he fishes for my role with the simple question of "soft-claim?"
So, there's a case here, certainly...unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be garnering any sort of support and it's clear you've turned your attention elsewhere. Feel free to continue attacking me, however! [/quote]-
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I will be using my hurt on Shinnen at the next opportunity. Making an attack on an unharmed townie is not the work of a town player. Also, killing the fallen Seraph will help town an amazing amount.
Intent to hurt: Shinnenas soon as my hurt recharges in a few hours.
@Rofl: Alright, whatever. Come at me and we'll see what happens. I get the feeling you're town but whatever.-
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Actually, after rereading, I think Walt is more likely to be scum than Hoopla, with the post Xyl quoted above me especially since Shinnen flipped scum. I've been reading worse and worse vibes from him...it's been a slow scummy slope.
These quotes are all from WaltWishbone:
Note that this post is made not that long before Shinnen's death was confirmed. Last minute attempt to gain town cred.And I don't think rofl would be in such a hurry to eliminate Shinnen if he was Seraph scum. So, if Nuwen is town, it might be a good lynch after all.
...and I do absolutely agree with you, that we don't know what the set-up is and should be careful. I disagree with sacrificing our seraphim (which we probably have at least 2, maybe 3) to get their seraph (if they only have one).
This smells like Walt getting ready to defend Shinnen before it was even confirmed that she was a Seraph.I think to treat a Seraphim the same as Cherub (which you have done in your math) is another mistake.
This, and other posts, just scream scum to me. Defending Shinnen by saying that we need to keep our Seraphs alive...and now that Shinnen flipped scum, I think Walt needs to be our next target.-
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With the town working together, I'm almost positive we can kill both Hoopla and WaltWishbone in a relatively short amount of time, netting the town three scum in almost the first week of play.
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Simply because Shinnen and I partook in mutual healing at the beginning of the game does NOT make us scum buddies. Seeing as you're extremely close to being confirmed town, I'll derail any case you have on me simply because you aren't giving up.
I am going to state this once and for all: I AM NOT SCUM. DEAL WITH IT.-
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WTF?
ROFL: AT THE MOMENT, NO ONE BUT YOU THINKS I AM SCUM. YOU HAVE NO BACKING. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE PRACTICALLY CONFIRMED TOWN GIVES YOU NO RIGHT TO HURT WHOEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. THIS IS ANTI-TOWN BEHAVIOR NO MATTER WHICH WAY YOU SLICE IT.
When I flip town, I can't wait to watch you eat your words.-
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You're not reading the game as Rofl has been after me the entire game. There's hardly been one post where he hasn't been attacking me.Giuseppe wrote:^Major overreaction^
What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...
The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.-
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It makes rereads especially nasty.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Your alias is Seraphim. Expect confusion.Seraphim wrote:
You're not reading the game as Rofl has been after me the entire game. There's hardly been one post where he hasn't been attacking me.Giuseppe wrote:^Major overreaction^
What's up with the caps lock, Seraphim? You're at full health, I believe, and Rofl couldn't really kill you on his own if the Town decided to keep you alive...
The fact that Rofl has 'no backing' makes the above post even more out of place.-
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But this requires us to have an Ophan on him, all the time. And seeing as the possibility of scum Ophan exists, we can't trust any results they give us. There are too many problems that might arise and killing him is the best move right now.populartajo wrote:
You are not geting the most important part. If Walt uses his rage points, meaning he is scum, we kill him.Xylthixlm wrote:
Tajo... the "chain the scum and use them" strategy only works on anpopulartajo wrote:
Oh yeah, WLC asked it.WeyounsLastClone wrote:At ABR and TheFonz: what do you think of Walt? Seems today you guys kept more quite than usual.
@tajo: why exactly should we leave Walt alive? He claims at a strange time, he makes an awkward series of posts where he goes into the number of scum and then says he disappears for one and a half day in which he (logically) assumes to be eliminated.
Im going to assume the worst case scenario. Walt is scum.
Imagine a normal game. 3 scum, 8 town, 1 SK.
We are in D2, there has been 2 kills and WaltSK is pressured to claim at L-1. The case is weak but the players pushing his lynch are vocal and aggressive. He finally claims vig.
What does the town do?
Agressive route: lynch him.
Non-agressive route: we control his kill that night, take advantage of it killing a scummy player, and we lynch him tomorrow.
I know the situations arent the same but we can optimize the use of Walt even if he is scum. There are advantages and disadvantages in each of the routes we could take but you all know that we can take care of the probable SK with only 1 HURT in this game.
No need to explain the downside of hurting Walt right now if he is town.SK, because they will lose if they die. It doesn't work on mafia, not even in a regular game.-
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