War in Heaven II - Spirit of Vengeance (Over!)
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So I am not sure I have a complete understanding of the way this game works, however I am comfortable making a few early observations. I do not feel confident enough yet to make a vote or hurt/heal anyone.
My initial thoughts from reading the first six pages are; Cybele, Hoopla, and Kinetics opening posts came across as very honest and containend an element of truth which would indicate they had no idea what kind of Rage, ect abilities scum may have. Although, I do understand a couple of points made against Kinetic, I would have a hard time voting for him at this point. I think ABR has put in lot of detail into his research and subsequent reasoning behind his post however I want to go back and reread the first 6 pages (as well as the previous game) before elaborating.
I am a bit torn between two different stratagies, I do however agree with going with a majority. I am not sure whether it would be best to hold onto my hurt/heal until the rest of the players have a chance to check in and and add their thoughts or if I should return the favor and heal vIQleS? (thanks by the way )
One thing I am not clear about in the rules is how time works in this set-up? In otherwords, do we have 24 hours from Mr. Flay's post to hurt/heal someone 1 time? Tomorrow by 7am? Also if we dont use a hurt/heal does it carry over to the next 24 hour period?
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This game started just over 37 hours ago; relax, I don't think it is possible to gauge who is lurking and who is not in a little over a day, let alone a few days. Are you telling me that you expect all of the players in this game to stop working, sleeping, and cancel all their plans in order to be considered an active participant in this game?Xylthixlm wrote:
If Walt is scum, we kill a scum.populartajo wrote:With 1 post, wouldnt hurt to hear more about him, dont you think?
If Walt is town, we kill someone who is slowing the game down.
Seems like win/win to me. And I think Walt has a pretty good chance of being scum.
You twisted the content of my post in order to meet your adjenda. I asked someone to clarify a rule for me before I elaborated on my post, voted, or used my hurt/help. There was nothing scummy or noncommital in what I wrote.Xylthixlm wrote:
Every word he's written has been scummy and noncommittal.populartajo wrote:Xyl, just a hint, not everyone can post as much as you do. What is the case on Walt again?
Gee, what a well thought out, in depth, articulate post. Although, what side of the argument are you tring to make; faster or slower? With all your mathematical calculations, you missed an important point. We do NOT know if scum have rage, how quick they get it, and how many points they may be able to inflict. If we take out 8 innocent Townies using your strategy, the scum may be able to sweep in with their rage points and end this game in a few weeks.Xylthixlm wrote:
Healing up people who aren't under active attack is a good idea. Healing up people who have a real wagon on them is counterproductive.Kinetic wrote:I'm thinking the pushers for attacks are right. Once we have decided on a "lynch" can we at least agree that it isn't a bad thing to heal the other players if there is a lot of harm going around?
People arguing about voting systems, random hurting, etc, etc, need to keep in mind two indisputable facts:
1) In the end, the thing that will determine whether the town wins or loses isthe order in which people die. Nothing more, nothing less. We need to make sure scum die before townies as much as possible.
2) The scum get more influence over who dies with every week that passes.
#2 means that, if they're smart, the scum will be trying to slow the game down. Keep an eye on who is acting to slow the game down, and who is acting to keep it moving. If we're willing to punish people for slowing the game, that will mean the scum will have to help keep the pace up, which will be good for the town.
Here's some math:
The scum get a kill roughly every 2 weeks (more if we bring people down to low HP and leave them there a lot, less if we kill several scum early).
The town gets as many lynches as we want.
There are probably at most 5 scum.
If scum get close to a majority, they can heal to prevent the town from killing in a reasonable time, and force a win using rage. Call that -2 mislynches.
So, depending on our lynch speed, our number of mislynches before we go lose goes down:
If we kill once a day, we get around 8 mislynches.
If we kill once every 2 days, we get around 7 mislynches.
If we kill once every 4 days, we get around 6 mislynches.
If we kill once every 7 days, we get around 5 mislynches.
If we kill once every 10 days, we get get around 4 mislynches.
If we kill once every 14 days, we get get around 3 mislynches.
So... how much deliberation before each kill do you think is worth losing a mislynch?
Furthermore; based on your post and subsequent strategy, scum can win this game without ever needing to use a rage point. We can eliminate all the other townies ourselves.
There are several other players who are trying to make the point that we need a quickened pace, however they are apporaching it in a far wiser way than both you and DGB. I ABSOLUTELY agree that we should try to keep a healthy pace, but never, ever at the expense of losing Townies.
So, I guess that is a NO to fake voting?DrippingGoofball wrote:
Good catch, though not as much of a shining beacon of grovelling for mercy as WaltWishbone.Nuwen wrote:Cybele wrote:Also: I really do agree with the idea of fake-voting instead of hurting. New mechanics means we need to adapt.
Really, please enlighten me? Have ever heard the cliche, "you are damned if you do, damned if you don't"?DrippingGoofball wrote:
I don't even care that he may be lurking, the content of his single post is pretty damning. He's positioned himself to play the role of a poor innocent little rabbit.Nuwen wrote:...approximately 16 hours ago. His lurking is inactive and indicative of absence, not willful withholding of content.
Thanks for taking the time to answer to my question by the way. I mean, I really think this comes down to a difference in opinion on strategy. I prefer to be more careful and calculated before randomly eliminating players. I don't like going solo, I'd rather get a consensus from the town and understanding of a game before I make mistakes that will cause a mislynch and hurt the town.Xylthixlm wrote:For those too lazy to find WaltWishbone's only post:
Translation: "I want to look like I'm contributing, but am unwilling to actually take a position on anything. I'm just going to sit here and let the town reach a decision and then I can pretend I supported it all along."WaltWishbone wrote:So I am not sure I have a complete understanding of the way this game works, however I am comfortable making a few early observations. I do not feel confident enough yet to make a vote or hurt/heal anyone.
My initial thoughts from reading the first six pages are; Cybele, Hoopla, and Kinetics opening posts came across as very honest and containend an element of truth which would indicate they had no idea what kind of Rage, ect abilities scum may have. Although, I do understand a couple of points made against Kinetic, I would have a hard time voting for him at this point. I think ABR has put in lot of detail into his research and subsequent reasoning behind his post however I want to go back and reread the first 6 pages (as well as the previous game) before elaborating.
I am a bit torn between two different stratagies, I do however agree with going with a majority. I am not sure whether it would be best to hold onto my hurt/heal until the rest of the players have a chance to check in and and add their thoughts or if I should return the favor and heal vIQleS? (thanks by the way )
One thing I am not clear about in the rules is how time works in this set-up? In otherwords, do we have 24 hours from Mr. Flay's post to hurt/heal someone 1 time? Tomorrow by 7am? Also if we dont use a hurt/heal does it carry over to the next 24 hour period?
I am gonna reread everything now and try to get a better handle on how this set-up works, thanks for any advice.
As oppossed to what... a shining beacon of irresponsible town?Xylthixlm wrote:
WaltWishbone is a scummy lurker. Read his post.Seraphim wrote:@Xyl
Juls and WaltWishbone are lurking, correct?
I also think it's important to sort out the lurkers from the scummy lurkers. Generally, scum lurkers will either say less or pretend that they're saying something when they're not.
Juls is OMGUSing rather than scumhunting.
After you.Xylthixlm wrote:Actually
Call intent to hurt WaltWishbone
Die, lurkerscum.
Although I am not sure if you and DGB are scum or just anti town.
Thank you for the clarification. At his point I am going to return the favor and...q21 wrote:
From experience in the last game: You hurt/heal refreshes 24 hours after your last hurt/heal. Regardless of Flay's posts.WaltWishbone wrote: One thing I am not clear about in the rules is how time works in this set-up? In otherwords, do we have 24 hours from Mr. Flay's post to hurt/heal someone 1 time? Tomorrow by 7am? Also if we dont use a hurt/heal does it carry over to the next 24 hour period?
Heal: vIQleS
I agree with this, as a few other people have stated. I don't think we should consider townies sacrificial lambs though as Xylthixlm and DGB seems to be doing.Hoopla wrote:So, I'm not super familiar with what the most sensible play is when it comes to hurting and healing, but from what I've read of the previous versions of these games, it's possible scum accrue extra damage/powers over time. I think it's in our interest to play this game in a relatively quick fashion.
Kinetic wrote:The more I think about it, the more I feel the best scum strategy is a highly aggressive one. Especially if they can make it look townie to be aggressive.
I agree with this, I think scum may be trying to point as many fingers as possible and in as many different directions to get us to elimante ourselves. As well as pushing the pace of the game to the point where we are not thinking and just reacting to wagons as they form. I think it's something to be approached carefully.populartajo wrote:I wouldnt call them obv town or obv scum. Kinetic is kinda right that is a valid strategy for scum to appear agressive.
In all scenarios they are blatantly antitown since they are giving scum (if they are not) the free pass of being aggressive and random hurting that WE KNOW its detrimental to town in the long game.
I agree with all of these points, although the one thing that concerns me is that it seems that we are not getting a consensus of people who wish to proceed with the fake vote... and I do think it will slow things down to a point were it could be detrimental if we can not come to an agreement quick.Tenchi wrote:More Notes/Comments from me
ROFLCOPTER: For the record I played with Rofl before too.
This is so creepy. The last time I saw people do this, it allowed scum in the council (even when they were in the minority) to manipulate the vote. Also, why should we trust your choices? I feel just placing one scum in that council of four can really sway things.roflcopter wrote: speaking of organize, i'm organizing a brute squad, and inducting the following obviously town people into it immediately: abr, xyl, dgb, and tajo (if he'll accept). we should all agree on one person and put them down. over and over, until we've killed all the scum.
Also, this prevents us to see true accountability on Hurt and Heal actions. If we let Hurt and Heal actions to be as natural as possible then we will be able to dig through better intentions of each ad every person.
On another note, I totally agree with the fake voting system because it lets us express our disagreements and scum hunting without putting innocent people in jeopardy.
@Rofl: I see your point for wanting to form a brute squad, but I can't see how you can confirm those people as town this early in the game. I think you may end up eliminating too many townies if you don't listen to other opinions.
This was a great post, I really like the idea of a fake vote count, but it seems to many people are resisting the idea and would rather go solo or form small groups. I'd be willing to vote if we put a deadline of like midnight tomorrow night for a majority if others agree?populartajo wrote:Sorry for the fourth post but I think this is also important:
1. Town lost last time because town's HP were already low for random hurtings. I dont agree with random hurting but I also dont agree with long days (more rage points). We have to find a balance.
2. So I propose we do a mass healing of everyone to take them to one more point of their current HP before we start hurting. This could be beneficial someday.
3. We also could manage to have a fake votecount instead of having people hurting and/or healing. Like a normal game when someone is majority fake voted we could mass hurting him and "lynch" him.
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Yes, as long as possible, but not too long that it becomes horribly detrimental. I've yet to see a game where quick lynching has won the game, and I refuse to quick lynch for the sake of such. This doesn't mean I'm advocating waiting forever, but I'm not going to make hasty decisions either.Albert B. Rampage wrote:FOS: Kinetic
You want to make the day as long as possible, which goes in direct contradiction to this rage point theory.
You also have to look at the other side of the coin. While the scum are saving points, they aren't using them, which makes them useless until actually used. It does mean that they can dump, and effectively night kill with such a dump, but these rules highly favor the town, not the scum.
By making sure we're not spreading damage we can make it so rage dumps are few and far between.
I agree with Hoopla, the whole discussion between ABR and Kinetic, came across as a difference of opinions in strategy between two Townies. I don't think either look scummy at this point, just at odds.Hoopla wrote:ABR: Thanks for your summary - you put together a case weightier than expected, but I think you're exaggerating what to me looks merely like a strategy disagreement.
Kinetic wrote:q21 wrote:]Kinetic wrote:
Quick days will only HELP the scum, so I intend to draw out their intentions and actions and refuse to let them cause chaos and push the town into hasty actions.
Wrong. Long days allow scum to accumulate rage points as has been pointed out. Quick days in terms of real life time help the town. Optimal town play requires long day is terms of posts but quick in terms of time.
Not wrong, by your own admission. I judge length more by the number of posts and less by the time it takes to get the posts.
Either way, I think its generally agreed upon at this time not to take too long, but also not to let rage points control us either.
qft, I don't intend to draw out long conclusions, but I am not going to be pushed into making hasty reactions.
Agreed, it stands out as bit contrived and with deliberate intent to quicken irresponsibility. Perhaps maybe more anti town than scummy, but there is something amiss that's worth investigating further.Kinetic wrote:Xylthixlm wrote:
I don't see any need to subvert the hurt/heal mechanism. Just try to concentrate your fire on people who are already hurt, rather than wearing everyone down at once. That will make it harder for scum to suddenly kill townies using secret damage.
As several people have said, a fast-paced game helps the town even more than normal. Expect scum to try to slow it down by lurking.
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Well, the intent of the post is to illicit a response that will help with a confirmation one way or the other... I can't do much with his one line at this point and I am not going to OMGUS for the sake of argument. As far a critical analysis, the only facts I have is Xyl has tried to start several wagons so far and has propsed a strategy that is based on affording 8 mislynches. I absolutely disagree with this course of action. Furthermore, I think we should either drop the fake vote conversation or set a deadline for midnight tomorrow. I only see 6 to 10 players who have been extremely active, and considering teh game just started, I want to see what happens tonight and tomorrow before jumping on any wagons which would cause a mislynch.Nuwen wrote:
Then it's your responsibility to find out. If you have a suspicion, don't wait around for confirmation to fall into your lap. Passive, response-only town play is starchy and useless.WaltWishbone wrote: Although I am not sure if you and DGB are scum or just anti town.
Post 336 doesn't contain a drop of unique analysis, and you've failed to act on any of your alleged suspicions. Pointing out anti-town behavior while doing nothing to resolve its intent is a vapid, appearance-oriented gesture. I count the phrase "I agree" four times. Do have any thoughts on this game that aren't pre-digested?-
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No I understand it fine, I just disagree with your strategy because it is based on several assumptions as to the set-up of the game and is contingent on not having all mislynches. The other thing you are not taking into consideration are our power roles; I think to treat a Seraphim the same as Cherub (which you have done in your math) is another mistake. I don't like the idea of following your lead whatsoever and prefer a vote, and I think if we can come to an agreement and get everyone behind a deadline for tomorrow night and every other night after that, we will accomplish the goal of moving quick enough to control any rage or other special abilities the scum have, but at the same time we will not be moving to hasty and causing mislynches.Xylthixlm wrote:Walt: Perhaps you don't understand the theory behind counting mislynches. It's quite common as a way of gauging just how much trouble the town is in.
We start with ~8 mislynches.
Lynch a townie: -1 mislynch.
Lynch a scum: +1 mislynch.
Scum get a kill: -1 mislynch.
When the number of mislynches remaining goes to 0, town loses.
Obviously, we want to lynch correctly, so our mislynch buffer goes up. But it's important to know how many mislynches are left because it tells ushow badly we could possibly do at scumhunting and still not lose. In this case, the slower we go, the more kills scum get, the less buffer have, and the better we will need to be at scumhunting to compensate.-
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Pot meet kettle? You have literally written nothing in any of your posts that contain any merit or added anything new to this game that has not already been stated. I am not sure what you feel your contribution has been to scumhunting, but I don't see it.... Your post seems extremely opportunistic and contain nothing more than vague statements to cover the fact you are doing nothing more than joining a bandwagon.Nuwen wrote:
I can support a WaltWishbone hurt now; his most recent attempt at 'scumhunting' focuses only on Xyl, supplemented with a chain of "I agrees." He's just responding to received attention and plucking out convenient stances to support.
Hurt: WaltWishbone - by flavor be purged!
In theory it is a great idea, and it is what most people did to begin the game. However we are just not getting anywhere near a consensus or agreeing on proceeding with a fakevote. The town is mostly splintered; I am going to make the best use of my hurt/heal based on whats been posted thus far.The Fonz wrote:
This is insanely antitown.WaltWishbone wrote: Thank you for the clarification. At his point I am going to return the favor and...
Heal: vIQleS
I propose from now on we masshurt anyone who heals without town consensus.Consider it a policy lynch. THe Walt/ViQ counterhealing is just delaying the death time for TWO of the town's top suspects.
There is a case on Xyl; his play has been extremely erratic since the start of the game and counterproductive. His entire strategy is based on acceptable town casualties, however when you do the math his idea is an epic failure. He has not taken into consideration our power roles and assumes he knows the set-up of this game... In fact he seems to at times slip into statements that would indicate he has full knowelege only scum would know. His case against me is non existent and yet he won't listen to the other people who keep telling him he is wrong.Seraphim wrote:Intent to heal: Xyl
There is no case on him and the people attacking him have no basis and are some of the scummier players in the game. If Zwet flips scum, Juls is next.
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More than 1-liners, by themselves, are not worth town points. What did he sayAlbert B. Rampage wrote:
He posted more than 1-liners.Xylthixlm wrote:Please point to what WaltWishbone has done that gives him town points.inthe more than 1-liners that is worth town points?
One of the main topics of discussion through the course of the first 36 hours was how we would approach this game as a town. There was a lot of input from several different players and I explained my positions on each of these matters (fakevote, hurt/helps, ect) within my posts. I further went into detail on what I think of your strategy and the errors in your formula. I made opinions know on other matters that were and to a small degree still being debated regarding Kinetic, ABR, Tajo's, ect alignments... I am not saying I deserve any town points, I am just saying if MY post is on your barometer for scum, you all need to take a serious look at some other players and Nuwen, you need to take a serious look at yourself.Nuwen wrote:When did post length become indicative of town alignment?
Small post density and sparse analysis are really anti-town in this game, but that doesn't make the opposite pro-town. The likelihood of a long post being written by town or scum is no higher than random. Read what Walt actually posted - it's vacuous position-mongering.
...and this is what's gonna cost the town the game. You are hurting people without any kind of case and I am town. It is a fail strategy, in no uncertain terms. You are not taking into account that if you kill all the townies yourself, scum doen't need to do a thing. You are not considering power roles and making assumptions on things you don't know.Xylthixlm wrote:
No I don't. Here's a peak into the spinning gearwheels of my brain:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Xy, you need a better case on Walt than this:
I start off wanting to killeveryone.
As people do townish things, I move them down the list of people I want to kill. People who don't do townish things stay at the top.
Then I do my best to get the people at the top of the list killed, by whatever means necessary.
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Yeah I saw one of your posts earlier telling someone to read Hoopla in isolation. I am gonan do that now or in the morning, as well as look at shinnen and zwet. Although, someone earlier wrote that they either did a meta on him or played with him before and this was zwets normal play style?Albert B. Rampage wrote:Walt, you better hurt shinnen, hoopla or zwet.-
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I went back and reread the first ten pages, as well as Hoopla, Shinnen, and Zwert in isolation. I think Shinnen has questionable responses to several points which were raised however I would hesitate at this point at joining this wagon, especially given her roleclaim. If she flips town, it would be unfortunate to lose one of our Seraphim so early in the game. I have the same problem with voting for Zwert considering his recent revelation, although I am not sure I buy it. I think it was a mistake to start claiming roles so early as the fallen Angels are sure to go after our power roles first. I don't like the fact that Xyl is role fishing, however I want to be clear I have not voted to hurt him because I am not sure if he is scum or just anti town (we are in complete disagreement on strategy). I really need to see more posts from him as I am not clear on his alignment.
In my opinion the case against Hoopla is much stronger than any others at this point, especially given her contradictions. I missed the fact she hurt DGb in her opening post and that makes no sense to me what so ever. Further compounded by writing the exact opposite in a later post. I know she explained her reasons behind this contradiction, however I am not conviced.
Hurt: Hoopla
I am looking forward to hearing more from Drench, Techni, and WLC, as well as wondering when Giusseppe will make a post?
@xyl - You wanted something more tangible you could hold me too. In addition to what I wrote above, this is what I think so far. Kinetic, ABR, Tajo give me nothing but townie vibes. I have doubts on Nuwen, Seraphim, and to a lesser extent the Fonz. I really want to hear from thoese absent players, but those are the best reads I have at this point in the game.-
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rofl, yeah genius, yeah you will have this town dismantled in no time genius. Regardless wether you are scum or twonXylthixlm wrote:
Shinnen_no_Me, WaltWishbone. That's two. I'm still considering who the third should be... maybe a lurker?The Fonz wrote:That'll be far too late. We need to have killed twice by then.-
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Do you read or just skim?Xylthixlm wrote:WaltWishbone: So you think Shinnen_no_Me is town? Why?
I'll repeat my myself, no worries.
I never wrote I was sure she was town, I wrote I am not willing to hurt her beacuse, I am not reading (with the same conviction she is scum) you and other players seem to have in her guillt. Number two, I am not willing to scarifice what could be one of our power roles, a Seraphim (which she is) this early in the game!
Why do you care anyway?
Your strategy is like you are playing survivor? You just want to stick around as long as possible and do not care how many Townies are left in your wake. You don't care if we win or lose and you will not listen to anyone but yourself.
Why do you think she is scum?
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No, it sounds real fun Nuwen... In theory you are correct, if we go through all methodical like and eliminate every player in the game until we are down to three... chances are we can wrap this up in a week and we have a 1-3 chance of winning... Yay town.Nuwen wrote:Walt's first commitment! Joyous days. It only took 26 pages too.
133% damage versus a 50/50 town confirmation. Do you not believe that at least one Seraph is scum? Assuming ~5 scum for 20 town players, lynching at random has a 25% chance of hitting scum. Lynching a Seraph ups that to ~33%, assuming Rolf, Shinnen, and I are the only ones in the game. I'm claiming now because it'll be painfully obvious if Rofl and I are speedlynched if Shinnen flips scum. If she flips town, you guys have another genuine 50/50 split to lynch by.WaltWishbone wrote: I went back and reread the first ten pages, as well as Hoopla, Shinnen, and Zwert in isolation. I think Shinnen has questionable responses to several points which were raised however I would hesitate at this point at joining this wagon, especially given her roleclaim. If she flips town, it would be unfortunate to lose one of our Seraphim so early in the game.
So lets do it... Lets just go by the list on page one and speed lynch.
Albert B. Rampage
Drench
DrippingGoofball
Giuseppe
Hoopla
Juls
Kinetic
Nuwen
populartajo
q21
roflcopter
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Shinnen_no_Me
Tenchi
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vIQleS
WaltWishbone
Cybele WeyounsLastClone
Xylthixlm
zwetschenwasser
ABR you are up first, I betcha we can have you lunched by noon if we all hustle... then we move onto Drench. If we take out everyone in a random manner and all, damn we could be done by Sunday.
Lol, Nuwen, I understand you and Xyl's intentions and although the idea would work, in the end it is out guessing the Mod. I just finished a game where that happened and although I enjoyed winning; it did not feel like it was in the spirit of the game.
I think it was a mistake that you claimed and I am not sure if I agree with your math; that there are only three Seraph, but I guess you are right about one thing. What happens to you, Rofl, and hns next will reveal some important clues.-
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lol, if you know where I can find one, please link me to it via pm. I Will totally change.Kinetic wrote:Wishbone, please make your avatar a cute little dog.
That is all.
...and I do absolutely agree with you, that we don't know what the set-up is and should be careful. I disagree with sacrificing our seraphim (which we probably have at least 2, maybe 3) to get their seraph (if they only have one).-
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lol, I'm not sure. (I just went over to yahoo and found one), but the one you made is awesome.Kinetic wrote:lol, it HAS to be a Jack Russel Terrier, or don't you know Wishbone?
And I don't think rofl would be in such a hurry to eliminate Shinnen if he was Seraph scum. So, if Nuwen is town, it might be a good lynch after all.roflcopter wrote:oh motherfucker. i think i fucked up with the timestamps and did my hurt a half an hour early. and i dragged my ass out of bed for this and everything. sigh. i'll be back in 25 minutes to end shinnen's life for real real not for play play.-
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Right on, that one is awesome too... I am gonna use them both. Thanks Nuwen.Nuwen wrote:
It would have been obvious after I used my blade back in 625. I'd rather have that damage accounted for, explained, and used to kill our decided target as quick as game mechanics permit. The faster Shinnen flips, the faster we can confirm other players based on her voting/hurting.roflcopter wrote:nuwen - well, i wish you hadn't claimed, but you are fairly obvious town because of it. scum seraph in this situation would never have claimed if shinnen and i were both town
next to die: hoopla
Aww, I was also doing a Wishbone avatar up.
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Nah, let him do it, since my first post I don't think a page has passed where he has not written I am a fallen Angel because of my opening post, and I kind can't wait to rub his nose in it when I flip town and I think it will be a fair trade if we both go. I still don't know if he is scum or stupid town, but either way he is BAD for the town. Too many people have noticed that he has come after me, as well as sever others with no case and I have little doubt if he sees it through to the end, that will validate my supspicions and remove any doubt he is scum... joining Bandwagons, strawmanning, WIFOM, rolefishing, and tunnel vision. It's just really starting to add up.roflcopter wrote:xyl, hurt hoopla to death first, then deal with walt
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Lol, yeah well, I tryz. So who is bussing today? Plz... enlighten me with your wisdom Toaster.DrippingGoofball wrote:People fighting for credit for Shinnen's lynch get 3 scum points each from me.
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You dont remember me, we just played the game Destructor modded a few months ago Lovers multiball (it was a three month game)... I thought for sure you remembered me.DrippingGoofball wrote:
Sure, I caught ABR bus'ing a buddy, so now he's defending you, so that I don't catch him bus'ing again.WaltWishbone wrote:... enlighten me with your wisdom Toaster.
Hey who are you anyway to know my alt?
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errrr, you may have been, but I was not... I have only had one avatar since I joined mafiascum (teh druid one), earlier Nuwen and Kinetic made me a new one, so I changed.DrippingGoofball wrote:
We're talking about another game, turkey.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Look at this shit:
DGB isn't even reading the thread. Why should anyone trust her?DrippingGoofball wrote:With that same avatar? I'm senile.-
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@Jules you rawk!
Look I may be examing this in too much of a simplistic manner, but I think town won with the first lynch! If we finish the game smart, no matter what happens over the next few weeks, if Nuwen, Rolf, and one more person who we really feel is town (ABR, Tajo, Kinetic or maybe even Xyl) in the end game, we should win! This should be smooooooth sailing from this point forward.
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lol, cause I suk and have been working like a dog since Friday....woot for days off! This game has moved fast and there have been so many comments and POV's to consider... my pet peeve in mafia is getting Townies hung, I dont like to make that mistake. I wish I had something to do with the first lynch but I didn't, it was a great lynch and well done by everyone who caught her!q21 wrote:Why'd it take you 800+ posts to start making sense, Walt.-
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We should Lynch quick guys, lynch and heal quick, imo... ( I still have a few hours before I can heal) Actually scum can screw our game if they build up enough rage points to elimanate two of our Seraph.... If there are rage points and they start one week from the start of the game they get 4-5 points on Friday. They will only need two weeks after that to eliminate them. So we need to tie this game up in three weeks.
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Dude, it's no worries, what ever helps you sleep at night (j/k, lol). you decided after my first post I was your first lynch... Your made several comments you wanted to move fast and KILL all lurkers asap at the start of the game. This was before we had at least one, probably two confirmed Seraph who can lead us to victory. I argued with you before, and I was wrong. You helped get us in a great position to win this game (whether you are scum or not, lol)Xylthixlm wrote:
My strategy is not killing people randomly.WaltWishbone wrote:Also, yeah Xyl, your strategy RAWKS if you use it now (I thought it was bad idea at first so apologies if it works to win us the game), imho.-
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Rofl, nice, problem is neither Nuwen or DGB see things the way you do from what I can tell.Xylthixlm wrote:Oh Lord, who created us angels and watches above, please tell me: Why does WaltWishbone say that I have no reason for attacking him? Does he believe that I, as well as Your servants DrippingGoofball and Nuwen, have been blinded to Your truth when we find evidence of the taint in him? Does he think that we have fallen from grace? Or has he himself fallen from grace, and spews lies to mislead those of us who remain loyal to You? I beseech that you impart on me a fragment of the divine truth You hold, so that I can understand what in Your name WaltWishbone is thinking.
They (I'm pretty sure) are a little more concerned with winning this game than caring whether me and you go next.
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Damn finally we agree on something.. me neither.Xylthixlm wrote:I don't feel like digging out every quote from DGB and Nuwen that says you're scummy, so I'll just paste these:
DrippingGoofball wrote:Hurt: WaltWishboneNuwen wrote:Hurt: WaltWishbone - by flavor be purged!
you are like the little engine that could (not).Nuwen wrote:
I can't land another hurt until tomorrow evening (5:07 pm CST, if my fingers and toes addition is correct). But there may be bigger fish to fry; I need to read Shinnen again and she what she gave us. She was obviously bussed early. Every single one of her posts was outright scummy and self-incriminating, giving her scum buddies an excellent opportunity to pick up some early scumhunting points and possibly place themselves in a position to lead the town.Xylthixlm wrote:Hey Nuwen, come help me kill Walt.-
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lol right on Bro, I am just teasing ya. You wanted more posts, lol? I gotta go back to work tomorrow but I promise to keep up in teh game...and actually I need to go look at my time stamp I think I can hurt/help here soon. I may stay up a few more hours.Xylthixlm wrote:I think minivitational 10 is about it for games I've won as town on this site. I think I should get some credit for hammering 2 of the 3 scum in that game though.
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Actually, woot, I can post now....
HEAL: ROFLToo soon. Flay
I made a promise to heal him and put him a point above hp. As far as I am concerend the only facts I know are that rofl and Nuwen are the closest thing we have to confirmed town...and someone bussed shinnen. I think hoopla is a good lynch, but I think ROFL is a better heal.-
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Relax, you have all your peeps doing the killing, let me do the heasling with this one ost. Hoopla will die soon enough and I contributed to her lynch as you asked me to yesterday. I made a promise and I aint breaking it.Albert B. Rampage wrote:WOW THANK GOD THAT DIDN'T COUNT.
ROFLCOPTER WANTS YOU TO KILL HOOPLA FIRST. CAN YOU DO THIS FOR HIM AND FOR THE TOWN PLEASE?
I SWEAR I WILL MERCILESSLY HURT MYSELF IF YOU HEAL HIM.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:NO. I'm going to tunnel-vision on you so bad Xyl's attacks on you will be like a joke.
YOU WILL HURT HOOPLA.
This is by FAR the most PRO-TOWN, and NECESSARY thing to do.
Copter is at 12hp. You must hurt Hoopla. We can heal Copter later. OK?
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I bet you are cute when you are angry sweets.Albert B. Rampage wrote:NO YOU FUCKING **#%#@%^.
This is so goddamned important that you hammer. Who gives a fuck about the healling right now, seriously?????
You &#%^@# @#$&^@#$&@ I'm going to kill you if you dare heal copter.
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WaltWishbone wrote:
I bet you are cute when you are angry sweets.Albert B. Rampage wrote:NO YOU FUCKING **#%#@%^.
This is so goddamned important that you hammer. Who gives a fuck about the healling right now, seriously?????
You &#%^@# @#$&^@#$&@ I'm going to kill you if you dare heal copter.
HE HIMSELF DOESNT WANT YOU HEAL HIM. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?? HELLOOOO
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Dude I was not bullshitting, I want to be lynched so XYL can be hung next and it will illustrate to this entire town how bad of a mistke he made (he lynched me bacuse he did not like my smiley faces). You are gonna join him (you are gonna lynch me beacuse I did not vote with you). this is kinda the fun for me at this oint of this game... I already explained, we already won, the end game ends with Nuwen Rofl and one other person....
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Xyl will not be hung just because you flip town. And I frankly don't care because I can't play with someone so stubbornly anti-town that can stall the game in good conscience like this.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:You are either the biggest village idiot I've ever met or scum if you heal copter instead of hurting Hoopla.
Mafia will benefit from you healing copter.
Bad, bad, bad.
Brother if you think what you have just posted on this board to me is the worst thing I have ever been called, you have no fucking clue I am. I think you are cute.
...and you didn't answer my question are you gonna hang everyone that does not vote for hoopla? Why have I become the one person you are fixated on? Go tell Techni to fuck off and you will lynch him.
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Albert B. Rampage wrote:Do you understand how much you're stalling if you heal copter? And you're doing it anyway?
No I ont understand thid... we have two more people who agree with the general win we had today right.
Todays lynch (hurt/heal) death is hoopla, also we all agree rofl is town right? Who care who does what?
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I aint fucking stalling. Are you sure your count is right? Are you positive hoopla aint already dead? I'll hurt hoopla, someone better heal rofl!Albert B. Rampage wrote:Stalling. The. Game.
They gain rage points. Maybe after midnight tonight Hoopla gets a new power. We don't know. Its in our interest to end this as soon as possible, NOT let it drag out. Copter is in no danger of being killed.
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Allright dude, I am gonna trust you tonight.Albert B. Rampage wrote:She claimed to have 9hp, if she's not dead after your hurt, she is lying scum confirmed. She's not already dead. Someone else will heal copter.
Hurt: Hoopla
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hush, men are posting. Just go to end game with rofl and win the game.Nuwen wrote:
This is absolute garbage. Do the count yourself if you don't trust ABR or Xyl's numbers. Your hesitance is classic teetering - if you don't want to drop the hammer, say so and give aWaltWishbone wrote:I aint waisting my fucking vote beacuse you can count!goodreason, rather than inventing silly excuses.-
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Nuwen, you keep writing that over and over but you are the biggest follower in this game. You dont wipe your butt if XYL doesnt give you toilet paper. I turst ABR, I have since the start of the game, I think he is town!Nuwen wrote:You don't have to 'trust' anyone if you're willing to take half an hour to reread Hoopla's posts and then tally a Hurt count. The case against her makes itself rather evident, and you can just pick up counting where Flay's last post left off. Claiming to put your trust in another player is a noncommittal way of performing an action while maintaining an escape route.-
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<-----*iinocent*Albert B. Rampage wrote:misogynistic, bone-headed, $#@*
About time you listen to me, as you would probably be dead by now if I weren't there to question the attacks against you
lol and yeah and I know that is true, but honestly I reallly think if we dont blow it this game is a slam dunk. I dont care if I maeke it to end game as long as Town wins. I WIN! WE Win! That's where I am coming from.-
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