Past Ages Mafia - Game Over

[julienvonwolfe]

Oh, now this

will

be fun.

[julienvonwolfe]

just a quick comment to avoid Empking possibly taking me to the gallows with him:

He has a scummy (very scummy) meta, please read his recent games and see how likely he is to be lynched versus how many times he actually is scum (no offense, Empking). Yes, I am trying to save my own skin here

Strange. Unless I'm very mistaken, you've got two votes on you at the moment - one from ML/Tajo and one from Santos/BSG.

This would indicate that you're yet not in danger of a lynch, which makes this comment of yours seem premature.

[julienvonwolfe]

EBWOP: Bugger. Should be "This would indicate that you're not yet in danger of being lynched,"

[julienvonwolfe]

I support the idea of a lynch. We get two town directed kills for one; we'd be fools to pass this up.

[julienvonwolfe]

Is it this?

And you are on UROE for specifics, not just because he suggested the no lynch, correct?

The original vote was for suggesting no lynch, which isn't much but is better than a random lynch for my money. I then noted many others are swayed by this line of thinking, so it's even less of a scumtell for UR to suggest it. I read UR in isolation and realized he was very tentative about the whole thing, and seemed to want to throw the idea around just to gauge the town's reaction (and hopefully quietly sway everyone to no lynch) without really putting his foot down is support of the idea, so other more vocal supporters would take the fire. He also ignored my couter-arguments to his suggestion in favor of calling Santos' defense of the no lynch idea moronic. This is why I'm voting him now. His last post gives me bad vibes as well, feels overly cautious. Like he's subtly doing everything he can to avoid the negative attention resulting in his association with the no-lynch plan.

(This answers FL's question as well).

I confess that I'm not sure what to think of URoE. I've been playing with him in another, ongoing game and he's a difficult player to read. My general view of him that I got from the last game is that he isn't really a cautious player, so he's acting a bit differently in this game.

Then again, he's suggesting a no-lynch. This is normally a bad thing, but given the risk of lynching not just one, but two townies - it might be OK. Caution in suggesting such an idea is understandable.

Thus, I'm not prepared to vote for him yet. I don't know what my partner thinks.

[julienvonwolfe]

Well, just looking through some of his posts, and these in particular seem relevant:

We would have 2/3 more people than we would if we mis-lynch if we no-lynch.

But, we would have no chance at hitting scum.

I'm for it, but I'm not sure how much support it would get...

That's why it is speculation, it is hard to know what will happen.

I won't do it without support, which is why I threw it out here.

Yes, I can see what you mean about not wanting to be associated with the idea.

[julienvonwolfe]

Yes, talking about ongoing games is a bad thing to do. He flipped town. I haven't been killed yet. Maybe I should leave the discussion there.

Yes, I can see what you mean about not wanting to be associated with the idea.

But do you think it's a scumtell?

If it is, it's just a mild one. He's admitting to throwing it out there, now, so I think he's well and truly associated with the idea of a no-lynch.

As to whether a no-lynch is scummy... well, I think we need to do the maths on this. Can anybody more skilled at stats than I work out the chances of hitting scum today? Is it fair to assume that there are 4-6 scum in this game? (I don't know, I've never played a game this big here)

Also, I think that I'm nearly the only person who has answered your question. What do others think of your case?

[julienvonwolfe]

I don't think it was scummy.

However, I think my opinion is a bit biased because he is my other head.

I thought that the pairings were determined randomly? Thus, his being your other head shouldn't affect your opinion of his play.

Or are you just trying to save your own skin?

[julienvonwolfe]

Vote: Santos

- He seems to be messing around rather than hunting scum.

True, Santos hasn't posted much.

But can the fact that you divert Ort's vote from Slicey to Santos with a one-line case be anything other than scummy?

[julienvonwolfe]

I'm sorry that I have neglected this game. Right now I support my other head, but I plan to read the game again more thoroughly tomorrow night.

[julienvonwolfe]

without the two-headed thing my vote would most definitly go to Santos. however, with the two heads...i'm feeling a little more inclined towards an Ort/Emp lynch.

So, then, you appear to like BSG.

I'm still in the process of reading through, so forgive me if I've missed something blindingly obvious; but what about BSG makes you not want him dead?

[julienvonwolfe]

Narsis, is that your answer to this?

without the two-headed thing my vote would most definitly go to Santos. however, with the two heads...i'm feeling a little more inclined towards an Ort/Emp lynch.

So, then, you appear to like BSG.

I'm still in the process of reading through, so forgive me if I've missed something blindingly obvious; but what about BSG makes you not want him dead?

Why do you find yourself siding with BSG? Do you not think that both could be town?

[julienvonwolfe]

EBWOP: I meant, if you think that Ort is innocent, and you like BSG's play, couldn't both be town? Why do you have to side with BSG at all?

And thanks SG

[julienvonwolfe]

apologies

[julienvonwolfe]

Well, people, deadline is soon.

Have we agreed that we need to lynch somebody?

[julienvonwolfe]

I've become less sure that ort or empking is scum (I do want to hear from ort why empking is obvtown), and this also counts for slicey.

Unvote

. I don't like populartajo's play in this game, but I'm not sure if it's scummy. Santos is the only of the 'big wagons' that i like, but he's attached to BSG so I'd rather wait with Santos till later.

Vote: populartajo

for now.

Are you trying for a no-lynch or something? How likely do you think that a tajo lynch is?

I don't like your/our vote. "I'm not sure if it's scummy." Bah.

[julienvonwolfe]

I'm getting that re-reading feeling again.

mod, votecount?

[julienvonwolfe]

Vote: Santos

[julienvonwolfe]

I voted for URoE as well.

[julienvonwolfe]

considering that it was silenced mafia, what did you expect to happen by holding Santos at L-2?

[julienvonwolfe]

Mass prod recieved.

Still here.

[julienvonwolfe]

EBWOP: Actually, I really should be more active in this game. I'll sit down tonight and put together some thoughts.

[julienvonwolfe]

Well, after a spot of re-reading, it appears that we really are at a stage where there's no clear suspect.

This makes me really want to see who BSG's two mains suspects are. But the deadline is very close, so I don't think it matters. I just hope that she chooses somebody in time.

[julienvonwolfe]

Wait, I misread the deadline. It seems that we have more time than I thought.

Still no sign of BSG?

[julienvonwolfe]

I don't think that replacement in this case is a tell.

Just really freakin' annoying. However, many thanks to WIT for being good enough to replace.

[julienvonwolfe]

A question to try and stimulate discussion:

what do people think of URoE's play? I got a bit of a townie read from him, hence my vote, but others obviously thought otherwise?

[julienvonwolfe]

a 'death to all lurkers' thing going on here?

[julienvonwolfe]

is that appropriate on day 4?

[julienvonwolfe]

prod them? Replace them?

I'm wondering why you want them dead.

[julienvonwolfe]

I don't think I've contributed much. I'd be willing to blow myself up for the town.

[julienvonwolfe]

I invite opinions from all.

[julienvonwolfe]

JVW lights his Dynamite

(I think that this is what I have to do...)

[julienvonwolfe]

nobody else has any opinions?

[julienvonwolfe]

does the town prefer me or empking to go?

I was hoping that more people would care about who dies.

[julienvonwolfe]

Right now, I'm not really liking Ort as much as Budja, due to the weirdness at the start of the game with the voting, and how he voted slicey and FOSed BSG. Both were town.

Budja has lurked more, though.

Right now, I'm planning to blow up myself and ort in 24 hours, if there are no objections

[julienvonwolfe]

A few more days until my dynamite goes off and kills me anyway, according to 773.

[julienvonwolfe]

yes, Ort, claim.

[julienvonwolfe]

my thoughts? didn't i recently post those?

personally, Santos is the guy i want lynched right now. however, he is connected to BSG who i'd rather not see lynched as he is helping the town out quite nicely. the Slicey/IT lynch is another possibility...except my gut is saying Slicey is town.
as for ort/emp...i have mixed feelings on this one.

so yes i'm unsure.

now if you mean thoughts beyond those...well...being day 1 it's basically null.

now as for ort/emp...i have mixed fellings as i said. my deep gut says that ort is innocent. even so, i find myself siding with BSG. hence the mixed feelings.

Hmm. Re-reading, this post again strikes me as odd.

If we accept Ort and Budja's claims, shall I go for Narsis?

[julienvonwolfe]

ok, enough is enough

JVW explodes on Narsis

btw, happy birthday Kmd