Past Ages Mafia - Game Over

[Budja]

Good question .

vote: Julienvonwolfe

cos he was scum last time .

[Budja]

I think I would prefer a lynch today.

We may take the risk of two townies but we also have a decent chance of hitting scum by accident .

[Budja]

It seems remarkable little has happened for so many pages, or maybe thats just how big games go.

I have to say I agree with my other head on this issue. We are posting a hell of a lot on such a minor issue.
Ort seems a bit paranoid but that means nothing, most players are .

[Budja]

I don't think it was scummy.

However, I think my opinion is a bit biased because he is my other head.

[Budja]

It shouldn't and if I really thought his play was scummy I would say so.

I just thought it would be good to mention that I could be slightly influenced by the two-head thing as I am sure all of us are a little.

[Budja]

The second vote would just cancel out the first leaving one self-vote. Nothing special and completely pointless.

[Budja]

@tajo, the posts do seem fairly vague but terrible seems a bit of an exaggeration.

[Budja]

A side note, Braeden was also absent with sickness in another game I am in so I don't think the lack of posting in an issue here.

But I assume it is the content you don't like.

[Budja]

I'm more in favor of a lynch, but I'm not throwing the NL idea out the window.

KMD: I did take a stand. I said I'm more in favor of a No Lynch.

FOS: Slicey

[Budja]

I find that hard to believe. Narsis brings up a good point there.

Then you post a shiny distraction in the form of a vote for Santos. Why is this post of his any worse that the last few before that?

[Budja]

Why do you claim now, you have one vote on you. ONE!?
I hate it when that happens .

Now stop that defeatist attitude and actually defend yourself.

[Budja]

I agree with URoE with the vote.

However I don't see how Slicey needs a vote for pressure. That part makes little sense to me.
I'd like to hear more from Ironturkey.

[Budja]

@Narsis, Weak cases can help build strong cases.

Santos is appearing as useless as ever.

Slicey also appear to be just as wishy-washy. I don't really like the WIFOM arguement around Slicey at the moment. Acting defeatist is neither a scumtell nor a towntell in my opinion.

[Budja]

Santos is appearing as useless as ever.

Lol. And you're just a fountain of input.

When I post, I at least attempt to contribute. You may be posting more regularly that me right now, but 99% of what you post is fluff.

Your active lurking irritates me.

[Budja]

Vote: Santos

[Budja]

Ah, finally day.
I voted for Shadowgirl.

Santos was appearing scummy with his active lurking so it is difficult to tell who was voting on suspicions and who was being opportunistic.

it was worse for Narsis, though, because he should have recognized not to drop an L-1 after someone else had ALREADY made that mistake.

Well, Narsis's top suspect appeared to be Santos so his vote didn't surprise me here.

[Budja]

Also, anyone notice that I was right about Santos being stupid town (Although I still wanted to lynch him, he wasn't ever going to help us...)?

Yes, but if you were scum, you would know that already .

Anyway, I would like to actually to see if we hear more from K7 before we ask for a replacement.

Also, on the quick-lynch-ie-ness, it was silent mafia and Santos was generally believed scummy so it wasn't too surprising to me. I was happy just to lynch Santos so we could discuss again later. I fail to see the advantage we had by extending the day.

[Budja]

If we had been playing Silent Mafia from the start, then it would have been bad. As we did have discussion the day before and would have discussion the next day. I see nothing wrong with a quick-lynch. Their was essentially no point in extending the day there.

Now I don't think there is any point to discussing this anymore.

[Budja]

Kalei didn't use this rule, so we could have talked previous day using our sigs. So please be aware of this next time.

If we had started to do so, the rule would most likely been added anyway.

There are two players who are just sitting wrong with me. And both of them are by most seen as pro-town.

Care to share?

[Budja]

I got prodded and am here and am currently waiting for answers to some questions

Same here. Waiting on BSG.

[Budja]

what a novel idea.

I think I'll reread and try to post some suspicions. We ought to give Tony something to work with, even though I doubt we would get a majority vote in time.

[Budja]

Not having much luck on my reread. A lot of the day 1 conversation is focused on those who are dead, yesterday was the Santos bandwagon and today is well .. nothing.

On URoE, I am neutral.

I thought URoE (who recently got replaced I believe) seemed reasonably townie. I'm a bit unsure of the usefulness of discouraging people from L-1ing during day 2 but don't think it's a scum-tell.

sums up my opinions pretty well. I never really considered the no-lynch discussion as a tell either.

@Empking, any reason or just another discussion provoker?

[Budja]

*sigh*

What a productive day.

[Budja]

I agree with ortolan.

[Budja]

Bomber: hohum

Target: killa seven

Lurkers..

[Budja]

For now, pretty much .

[Budja]

Well we have 13 players left and lurkers are just going to become more and more of a liability to us.

Got a better idea, Julien? What do you think is best for today?

[Budja]

Well, yes that would be ideal, I guess.

@mod, could you prod K7, hohum

Its not a case of "want", more a case of "prefer".

[Budja]

Well, pardon me for actually doing something .

I wasn't expecting everyone to follow me and I wasn't that strongly keen on it myself as is pretty clear from my conversation with Julien.

It is OK to have a "gut-feeling", but if you can't back it up you have no case on me. I can't respond to "gut" accusations like Empking's.

Ort was the first to actually suggest that plan today. Raider does make a good point but I still generally agree with Ort. What else can we do?

Note that if we get scum to light the fuse, they will target someone protown. Not great.

I suggest, and this is probably going to be controversial, that we get someone we consider anti-town to blow up someone we consider scum. It is IMO, the best case scenario we have got.

[Budja]

"luck of budja"?

What does this mean?

[Budja]

Ah, I guess it means look right?

Why, Max?
Its not our best move, I'll admit that, but what makes it so scummy in everyone's eyes?

1. We have 13 players. Its not like we are near LyLo.
2. Lurker's become more of a liability, the fewer players are left.

Julien was right in saying replacements are better, but he is the only one to actually give a reason so far.

[Budja]

one person lights the fuse, the other get blown up = 2 people.

[Budja]

@Julien, I agree with raider, make your own choice.

[Budja]

I don't think you should. Julien seems indecisive so your fate is not decided.

@Julien, I have posted in this game no less than most people here.

[Budja]

Remember Empking lit his too and I doubt he is going to wait very long.

[Budja]

I'm just town.

[Budja]

I think that blowing up Narsis is a good idea. He has been very vague and uncertain in himself.

I believe Ort. His investigation targets seem reasonable to me. I'd rather you didn't target him.

Its your choice Julien.

[Budja]

He's scum.

L-2, everyone

Illogical Quicklynch.

@mod:note sig.

[Budja]

Thanks Ort.

[Budja]

eh? Why.

[Budja]

^ Exactly

[Budja]

Slight suspicion.

[Budja]

no PR's.

[Budja]

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[Budja]

Back.

[Budja]

outguess Mod.

True.

[Budja]

Also unlikely

[Budja]

as Ort

[Budja]

stopped mislynch.

[Budja]

silly idea.

[Budja]

probably.

[Budja]

I would

[Budja]

rather not

[Budja]

lynch anyone

[Budja]

you investigated.

[Budja]

lynch anyone

Save hide?

no, logic

[Budja]

it seems

[Budja]

safer to

[Budja]

lynch untargeted.

[Budja]

vote: killa seven

for now.

[Budja]

How helpful.

[Budja]

vote: killa seven

for now.

FoS: Budja

Better option?

[Budja]

Well we have 13 players left and lurkers are just going to become more and more of a liability to us.

^ me yesterday

[Budja]

Why defend

[Budja]

K7 so

[Budja]

much?

[Budja]

deadline?

[Budja]

He is not naive. ("guity")
He is not paranoid. (his inno results)
He is not insane. (raider is confirmed town)

I don't see any way out.

vote: ort

[Budja]

Indeed.

[Budja]

I did doubt him, but clearing me yesterday seemed unlikely if he was scum. I didn't see you (or anyone else) doubting ort that much at all.

[Budja]

I did minorly suspect Ort DGB, I did mention the large numbers of vanilla dieing suggest no PR's (I think I was the only one too) although I quickly shrugged that off as silly.

I think DGB is scum, that push on me is at least highly hypocritical regardless. I have gut-suspicions on Max and Brandi.

I don't believe I have done anything particularly scummy. I can't explain why Ort got me off the hook yesterday, but why would Ort reveal himself so obviously if I was scum with me linked like this to him.
Yes, its WIFOM, but its the best I've got here.

[Budja]

Eh, I wouldn't bus so clumsily. I am glad that my gut on ort was correct anyway.

I believe that 3 scum are left, why else would ort have given himself away.

@DGB,

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[Budja]

Messed up tags .

[Budja]

Ort did go on about being naive for a while, trying to push me again.

I did doubt him, but clearing me yesterday seemed unlikely if he was scum. I didn't see you (or anyone else) doubting ort that much at all.

Even after 11 vanilla townies were killed off?

Implies I am scum as I didn't suspect ort, in fact I was the only one who did at all yesterday. Misinterpreting the facts = suss.

[Budja]

Why would we have shot ort? Who really suspected him?

[Budja]

So that makes everyone but me and you scum, right? Razz

Actually that sounds very unlikely now I think about it.

[Budja]

Who was obv scum then?

My suspicions of the remaining players are mainly gut-based, I never did pay enough attention to this game.

[Budja]

It would be awful scum play, if I was scum .

[Budja]

No, the "Thanks Ort". My Ort vote was obv a null tell.

[Budja]

I think over defensiveness is warranted here .

[Budja]

^ Actually makes me think Empking is town.

[Budja]

I haven't proven myself to be town unfortunantly. Everyone I have suspected has flipped town, I don't think I have really helped the town.

[Budja]

No, I can't prove myself to be town but that doesn't imply I am scum. That is faulty logic.

[Budja]

I did a bit of a reread.

The Empking/Ort exchange day 1 make him look pretty town to me.

I have very limited read on FL.

I would like you to kill one of Brandi/Max.
I lean towards Brandi here as I found URoE fairly town day 1.

[Budja]

Well, your death screwed me over badly. I thought your death was a scum-plan to implicate me.