Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[iamausername]

Reading up now, rah rah rah. Let me know if there's anything I need to respond to urgently.

[iamausername]

Tar, could you update the first page to reflect the fact that hp [leaves] replaced The Internet? And that I replaced Cephrir. And any other replacements that have happened that I haven't got to yet.

Still reading up, just noticed this omission.

[iamausername]

Mafia safeclaim
Mafia falseclaim
Mafia kill
Mafia groupkill
Mafia factionkill
Mafia nightkill

YEAAAAAH. Almost done reading, as you can probably tell.

[iamausername]

Look what Kinetic said day 2, when he (supposedly) knew his role.

EBWOP: That was day 3. My bad. Forgot what day we're on.

In fact, I didn't know my role until today

What did Kinetic do to suddenly be branded as obvscum by everybody, exactly? Because from my readthrough, Xyl just randomly said "Kinetic is obvscum, but I don't remember why", and everyone just seemed to go along with that as if it made perfect sense? It's really throwing me off.

Kinetic, what is the deal with you saying that word three times at the start of every day? Seriously.

[iamausername]

@iamusername: did you think before posting those ability names or not?

Yes.

Vote: Machiavellian-Mafia

(Kinetic)

We should bandwagon someone, anyone to lynch count just to see if they get lynched, you say? Sounds good to me.

[iamausername]

We should bandwagon someone, anyone to lynch count just to see if they get lynched, you say? Sounds good to me.

Uh, no.

That's kind of the point.

[iamausername]

I'd like to get mod-SK to kill me so that you'll get to start lynching without things going wrong over twilight.

Mod-SK is dead, so this is unlikely to happen.

How many of the people you've investigated are still alive? And further to that, what are the chances of that number increasing by a later day, considering we've had an average of ~4 deaths per day? Because to optimise your power, we'd want to use it when that number is highest.

[iamausername]

How many of the people you've investigated are still alive?

This question was not rhetorical, Pesco. The answer to this is pretty important data to consider in deciding whether or not your lynch would be a good idea today.

[iamausername]

Why does it say final? Are we in lylo or something?

Pretty sure it's just because the deadline is fixed (see Rule #25). I really doubt that Tar would tell us if we were in lylo, and I really doubt that we're in lylo with 14 players still alive.

That would be correct. - Tar

How many do you want to call it worthwhile?

I was thinking 3 or more. So, yeah.

Vote: populartajo

(Pesco47)

[iamausername]

This town is too quiet for my taste. EVERYONE, What are your thougts of Pesco?

I'm pretty sure that Pesco is town. And that we should lynch her.

[iamausername]

What about daykilling her? I think thats what qwints its aiming at.

Oh, I see. That would be even better, if we have the capability.

[iamausername]

What about daykilling her? I think thats what qwints its aiming at.

Oh, I see. That would be even better, if we have the capability.

Could you explain why?

Well, if we're talking about the kind of daykill that doesn't end the day, that would be ideal; we'd get the investigations without giving scum the chance to kill.

If you're just talking about a regular vig kill and calling it a daykill because the game doesn't have nights in the traditional sense, that'd still be better if we could guarantee it happening, because we'd have better chance of finding scum from looking at who everyone tried to lynch instead. But I'm not sure that we can guarantee it, either because we don't actually have a vig left, or because scum have some way to fuck up his shot if we do. So lynch is the safe option.

[iamausername]

When my ability is killing Tar so the town can do something constructive, it's important. (For those who were wondering why I did this, I got the ability when Tar said he was giving out abilities and it said that

I could only use it on roles that are certain type (which Tar is)

so I decided to us it) Luckilly I sent it in when I made my last post, so the mod should get it. It's one shot, so I have no more kills left. (hope it's not a fake).

(Forbiddanlight is female, but forbiddanlight's character is male, and the character gender is the relevant information for this scene.)

I see.

[iamausername]

However, for the past two days we have only had one kill per night. (Which is by the mafia {unless you believe them to all be dead?})

What makes you so sure that these kills were mafia kills?

26) Skitzer (rep. Electra) Checked his posts so far. Awful. Prob scum.

True dat. ShadowGirl is pretty dodgy, but I think Skitzer is worse.

Vote: StrangerCoug

(Skitzer)

Skitzer, what is the meaning of Post #1516?

[iamausername]

vollkan

Hah. Wrong prosecutor.

May I ask how you interpreted that post?

I had no idea what it meant, that's why I asked.

After Kinetic was lynched as mafia, I figured I was doing well with my suspicions, and therefore voted the next most suspicious person.

Here's the relevant parts of the votecount on the day Kinetic was lynched:

11) hp [leaves] (rep. The Internet who rep. pacman281292) (0) - skitzer
28) Machiavellian-Mafia (1) - hp [leaves], Machiavellian-Mafia, hasdgfas, Pesco47, Seraphim, TehVariable, iamausername

Those are, of course, really votes for qwints and Kinetic, respectively. So, my question to you, skitzer: If qwints was the

next

most suspicious player,

after

Kinetic, then why were you voting for him over Kinetic that day?

[iamausername]

Oh, I missed that you'd answered that already.

... Er, did you read what I wrote? I'm merely making the assumptions it's mafia considering there's only two of them dead. As per the .... "unless you believe them to all be dead?"

I'm not disputing that there are almost certainly still some mafia members alive. I'm asking why you're so certain that they were responsible for the hasdgfas & malthusis kills.

[iamausername]

if you do lynch me, can you at least all FoS me?

NK-immunity is pretty useless when you're already dead. You obviously want this for some other reason. And if it was a pro-town reason, you wouldn't be hiding it at this point.

Unvote, Vote: qwints

(ShadowGirl)

[iamausername]

Wait,

Unvote

for now. I'm happy with an SG lynch at this point, but I just remembered that we want tajo to be in the first three votes on the wagon.

[iamausername]

This all smelss like Empking for some reason. Recruite maybe?

Yeah, OK, SG is definitely playing the Jester now. 'Saving her cult leader' seems like a fairly good explanation for that, except that I'm pretty sure Vi had to be the cult leader, because if the cult leader were still alive, wouldn't they have majority by now?

Whatever her reason is, though, I think we do need to lynch her anyway.

[iamausername]

By my count, that's the fourth vote (Seraph, Xyl, hp have the first three), so one of those guys needs to unvote before we take this to lynch to prove tajo's claim from way back when.

[iamausername]

Back to the original message from tajo:

My ultimate goes online when I am the first, second or third vote on

the wagon of an anti-town player.

I am leaving a big part of my role to myself. It will all make sense when my role PM is posted by the mod.
Now, can we investigate other person?

It seems like a free action to test this. Why haven't we done it before?

See the bolded. We haven't yet had the opportunity.

unvote
vote qwints

(shadowgirl)

That should be enough, but I'm gonna wait for a votecount before I revote, just in case.

[iamausername]

OK,

Vote: qwints

.

[iamausername]

I dont want skitzer or other possible candidats to make up something tomorrow, achieve ultimate by surviving, etc.

What's the difference between scumskitzer making up a claim today vs. making up a claim tomorrow? We're not going to lynch him today, so I don't see any need for him to claim today. SG is the play for today, there's nothing else to discuss that we can't discuss just as well tomorrow.

Unvote

.

[iamausername]

But if he's town, then claiming today is likely to have a negative effect. If skitzer needs to claim right now, then why not anybody else? They all

could

be scum. How do you decide where to draw the line, if not "is this person about to be lynched?"

[iamausername]

But if he's town, then claiming today is likely to have a negative effect. If skitzer needs to claim right now, then why not anybody else? They all

could

be scum. How do you decide where to draw the line, if not "is this person about to be lynched?"

Because today decision was between him and SG. I think he is scum, do you?

Yep. That's not really relevant, though.

We've got a week until deadline, and we need a couple of unvotes again to get tajo in the first three votes. I do not want to let him stall this enough to get out of that.

[iamausername]

Could someone explain why ShadowGirl isn't lynched yet?

Well, we still need an unvote from Sera/Machiavellian/hp to get tajo in the first three votes.

Plus, it was interesting to gauge all of your reactions and

whom were actually paying attention to what I was saying.

I got bored of doing this around the third time you changed your claim.

[iamausername]

Unvote
Vote: qwints

Huzzah!

Unvote, Vote: qwints

LYNCH ALL LIARS. WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.

[iamausername]

qwints: I asked that question yesterday, I believe.

For the explanation, easy: I checked whether he had the word "falseclaim" in his role PM. I got an affirmative answer. I killed him. Tar is a bastard mod to have miller give a positive result on that particular ability.

Was this a one-shot ability?

zwet, are you intending to vote Vir, or did you forget that votes are shifted down a spot on the player list? Seeing as how you've never mentioned Vir, and you're telling us to "See Day 6" for your case, I assume it's the latter. In which case, this:

I don't like how people are letting Seraphim go somewhat more unlooked because of his Kairyuu lie-busting, unless I missed something in these 71 pages of schtuff.

is a pretty goddamn weak case for this stage of the game.

Does anyone think massclaim would be a good idea today?

[iamausername]

zwet, what makes you think there even is a cult in this game?

[iamausername]

Note also that that page did not exist on the wiki until Tar put it there yesterday. I think maybe he might be trying to tell us something here.

Also, is it just me, or is Seraphim's eagerness to leap on "Kill the cult!" and vote someone who has been

twice

mod-confirmed as town really scummy?

My big mistake was in not mod-confirming Vi as Cult when he died, but I digress. - Tar

[iamausername]

Whack-a-mole.

[iamausername]

Seraphim, do you have any response to the reasons Xyl and I gave that your vote on me is absolutely terrible?

[iamausername]

We could really do with another votecount up in here. The last one is confusing the hell out of me.

Freudian slip much^^^

What?

Mysterious voice posted after Vir4030's replacement was announced but before Caboose replaced him. So if it's them, it would have to be Vir4030 posting as a replaced player. Which isn't entirely impossible now that I think about it. Didn't the mysterious voice start around the first time Vir was replaced?

But it's pretty clearly the same person both times, with how they're still talking about death millers. So it'd have to be Stef. That does make a lot of sense though, you're right.

ok, i've had enough of that cultish shit to take any more chances.

I got no clue what zwet was thinking posting that, but Kinetic clearly wasn't cult.

[iamausername]

I thought Vi was cult.

Vi was cult. Did I say otherwise?

[iamausername]

ok, i've had enough of that cultish shit to take any more chances.

vote xylthixlm

I assume that in this post, qwints is voting you for saying the H word three times, because he thinks that indicates that you are cult. I was pointing out that it doesn't indicate any such thing.

[iamausername]

Would the votecount be accurate if unvotes are not working again, but in a different way? Like, we can change our votes, but the old ones stay along with the new ones?

Because I remember Seraphim voted for me earlier, and I think someone voted him as well.

[iamausername]

Xyl, what's the point in scumzwet suggesting that Kinetic was, in fact, a death miller? It's not like anyone is presenting any kind of case based on a relation with him. So what does he stand to gain from it?

some scummy play by StrangerCoug before he was replaced

Such as?

Considering the game, this is a pretty unbelieveable claim.

Why?

[iamausername]

Why would Tar have even bothered to put a vanilla townie role in a game full of roles like "hivemind" and "speaker for the dead."

I think zwet is the right lynch for today.

Vote: Xylthixlm

See Battousai's role in Mind Screw I, Jebus's in Mind Screw II, and apparently qwints's in Mind Screw III for why this is really dumb reasoning.

I'm not happy with a zwet lynch when there are so many people are piling onto the wagon purely on the basis of his claim. I can understand it not swaying someone who thought he was scummy before the claim, but there's nothing about it that's remotely unbelievable enough to justify votes coming afterwards in the way they have.

Vote: qwints

(Seraphim). I'd rather CarnCarn, but he doesn't have a single vote and deadline etc.

[iamausername]

And I'm more justified...how?

Display posts from previous: [All Posts] by [Seraphim]

Ctrl+f "cult". Note how often "smells like cult" is used to justiy a vote.

Then do the same for "mafia" or "scum", or even read the posts and look for any times he's accused someone of being non-cult scum. See also:

I don't like the vote and I don't like your powers as it seems to me as if you are

an SK-type character

of some kind.

Was there any reason for him to believe SG wasn't plain ol' mafia scum?

[iamausername]

Unvote, Vote Xyl

deadline vote

Why zwet over Seraphim? Seraphim actually had one more vote before you levelled it out there, by my count, so just "to avoid a no lynch" is not going to cut it.

[iamausername]

Can someone give a good case on me?

You haven't given a good case on anyone.

Has Seraphim?

[iamausername]

Vote rotation, Caboose...

[iamausername]

Unvote, Vote: Xylthixlm

(zwetchenwasser), then. At this point, it's obvious that that's the only lynch we're getting today, and I'm not so convinced he's town that I'd rather have a No Lynch.

[iamausername]

Guys, Seraphim is town.

Xyl, would you mind elaborating on this statement?

[iamausername]

Reason being:

Eh???

I'm actually a French Vanilla Townie.

Umm, sure you are...

Vote: Xylthixlm

I still have a lot to read through, but

that claim doesn't sound believeable, if it's a real claim at all.

I'm a m*stly vanilla townie

, so I find zwet's claim possible. That doesn't mean I find it plausible.

I'm with you on this

, but I have to doubt the "possibleness".

This explains a lot. I was assuming that there wouldn't be any roles with exactly the same role name (not character name, the actual role), so even if there were a few m*stly vanilla townies, they'd all have a different descriptor, because I was misremembering mine as being "Near Vanilla", so I didn't pick up on qwints's breadcrumb there, and didn't see how zwet's claim was any less believable for his nonsensical mistake. I'm dumb.

Note: Recalling DGB's death, I'm censoring the word "m*stly" in case of Cult of Massclaim. I figure if such a thing exists, their win condition would have to specify exact role names because otherwise we could get into serious arguments about exactly what constitutes a claim.

In other news, I'm not at all happy with just blindly accepting Xyl's pronouncement that Seraphim is town. But he is right that Caboose's sudden flip looks really bad.

[iamausername]

The cult is most likely after the High Council. Pesco made it pretty clear.

I was under the impression that Pesco was making a complete guess with that, but whatever.

I am having trouble believing that we have four M.V.T.'s and

none

of them died until day 7.

Is there anyone in particular that you think is lying about that claim?

Caboose, who is scum?

[iamausername]

50% you, 30% CarnCarn, 20% qwints.

So 0% no one?

* CarnCarn breadcrumbed MVT before the zwet lynch; he would need to know that MVT was a possible claim to do that, which makes it less likely.

qwints did this first, and it wasn't just a breadcrumb, he explicitly claimed the exact role. With that and the cop clearance, 20% seems ridiculously high.

[iamausername]

I propose a limited mass claim at this time. - that is, reveal any and all information you have learned without revealing your role.

All I know is that someone tried to kill me.

I like this idea.

Sounds good, yeah. Does anyone particularly care about an order? I don't think it'll make a lot of difference in this case.

Question: Should High Councilors claim their councilorhood?

I'm thinking no, because I don't really see what good it would do.

I agree that 20% is too high, but could it be possible that he's cult?

I guess. I still don't think the cult is a major concern anyway.

Also, if you look at my post in response to qwints' it's clear that I recognized that he claimed an actual role name, which would only have been obvious if I myself knew that that was a role name.

I don't actually see anything in that post that it wouldn't have been perfectly plausible for you to have said without that knowledge. But you'd have to be pretty on the ball to realise you could point back to it as a breadcrumb today if you hadn't intended that when making the post. So I think you're probably legit, I'm just not as certain about it as I am about qwints.

[iamausername]

Least has to be me

Wrong!

My ultimate activates when I die, and allows me to give one player an extra vote. That's it.

[iamausername]

Time Rift causes all the actions submitted that day to be delayed by two game days.

This sounds extremely verifiable.

It's not an ability that has any bearing on Caboose's alignment though, I guess.