Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[DrippingGoofball]

was made by another player speaking through Tar, and not Tar himself. i definitely want to see more of this before anyone goes through with a Tar lynch

Brilliant observation.

I don't know who Tar channels, but I hope we'll have enough material to make a collective decision on that player's alignment. We might still need to lynch "Tar" at some point but it would be wise to lay off.

[DrippingGoofball]

...if your claim is accurate, you are not pro-Town. Claiming Survivor unnecessarily is the WORST thing you can do, and I don't trust it.

I agree completely. The unforced claim stinks; the fact that this is a survivor claim reeks; everything is wrong, wrong, wrong about it.

I smell scum.

Do you have powers to go with that role, Empking?

[DrippingGoofball]

Really. What is it?

[DrippingGoofball]

FOS: DBG

Empking's claim is terrible play, but think for a second. Whats the benefit? Girl youre fishing there.

The expression 'fishing' is reserved for those looking for townie power roles, which Empking is not, by his own admission.

Empking is NOT town. Fishing is good.

I'm surprised, even suspicious, that you'd think otherwise.

[DrippingGoofball]

How do you know Empking is not town?

I doubt it; that's why I want to know his power.

Looks like he's stalling.

It takes longer to make something up than to tell the truth.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't think Pop wants me to claim.

@populartajo

Why is Empking, a claimed survivor, singling YOU out as someone who may not want him to claim?

You are defending him, too.

Wassup, kids?

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm not stalling, its just that's there's one for, one against.

You think I'm town who claimed survivor?

EVERYONE IN FAVOR OF EMPKING CLAIMING HIS POWER MAKE YOURSELF HEARD - don't give him time to stall and make stuff up.

I think you're SCUM who claimed survivor. Prove me wrong or die.

[DrippingGoofball]

If I claim my role, I get a one shot NK immunity.

Sounds like manipulative hogwash. Keep digging.

[DrippingGoofball]

Do you have a name, Empking? Quickly please.

[DrippingGoofball]

How is it manipulative?

It's designed to entice us to back out from claiming your power - and yet to taunted us with a claim of your role. It smells really bad from where I'm sitting.

[DrippingGoofball]

That's your ULTIMATE???

No.

And you don't have another name, like, say, Eddie Izzard or Captain Kirk?

[DrippingGoofball]

You are astonishingly sketchy with details.

According to Wiki, Shinji Ikariis a fictional character from the Neon Genesis Evangelion franchise. The primary protagonist of the series (and almost all of its spinoff works), he is the Third Child ("Third Children" in the Japanese versions) and pilots the Evangelion Unit 01. He is the son of Gendo and Yui Ikari.

THIRD child. As in, a group of 3?

[DrippingGoofball]

You sure aren't volunteering details that might make your claim more credible.

[DrippingGoofball]

Everything.

The onus is on you to show that you're not scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

I claimed survivor to get my ultimate. I said that before.

Yes, I am a mason with Aeris. I didn't say so because I didn't want to out him/her.

SO why did you say that populartajo in particular wouldn't want you to claim???

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm a survivor. I know that a role is looking to be a mason with me. I kept that secret. My ultimate is that when I claim I get a one shot NK immunity.

We need to lynch this guy before he can recruit a townie to his scumgroup.

You think he's cult?

[DrippingGoofball]

unvote, vote: Empking

and for good measure:

FOS: Empking

[DrippingGoofball]

For the record, I believe Aries7777 may very well be the town psychologist.

Everything surrounding Empking, though, is exceedingly dodgy.

[DrippingGoofball]

We got a graveyard full of Jester. Sleep tight. All is well.

[DrippingGoofball]

EBWOP: JesterS

[DrippingGoofball]

Wait, how does this work?

I'd like to pressure TehVariable. I want more content.

FOS: pacman

vote: pacman

Is that it?

[DrippingGoofball]

But, I don't want people to lynch him until we get solid evidence. Qwints, elaborate on the Ultimate, cuz from what I can assume, you didn't activate it.

Solid evidence, such as, per example...

[DrippingGoofball]

It seems to me like people are taking advantage of qwint's fake PR as a reason to vote him, ignoring his stated ultimate-related reason. If you think the fake PR is scummy, you have to address the validity of his reason for the fake PR. The worst offender is BlakAdder, who is either opportunistic or is not paying attention to the thread.

Vote: qwints

The votes not matching the accusations is totally playing tricks with my tiny brain... but all these qwints votes are for BlackAdder, aren't they?

I do see the case against BlakAdder. If he hasn't convinced me that's he's town withing a couple of days, he's getting my vote.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sorry, I'm here.

vote: Pacman281292

(qwints)
Is there anything scummy about me besides opportunism?

It's a very scummy brand of opportunism. Don't you think?

[DrippingGoofball]

Not really. Meta me. It's not abnormal for me to play like this.

I don't meta. I judge on what's in front of me.

[DrippingGoofball]

unvote, vote: qwintz

(blackadder)

unFOS, FOS: qwintz

(blackadder)

[DrippingGoofball]

High probability of scum in this list of non-commital, chicken players:

veerus, malthusis, ZazieR, DragonsofSummer, pacman281292, ShadowGirl, The Central Scrutinizer, XSilentSinX, populartajo, Stef, Cephrir

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm the ONLY person in the game who is GUARANTEED not to betray myself. Thus it only makes logical sense for me to "hold the door" as is to say.

What are you saying???

I didn't really have an opinion on the BlackAdder case.

How could you not have an opinion? After he claimed, it was pretty clear cut I think.

[DrippingGoofball]

Oh yeah, as long as I'm here...

A little birdie tells me that there might be a Cult of some sort in the game in addition to the Jesters.

What else do you know?

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes, yes he is.

DGB, I don't know if you want me to start telling more... I will say that I made the claim about an "ability presumably from scum" to try to get the Mafia to believe my falseclaim... Mafia falseclaim, almost... no, wait, it's more of a evil overlord falseclaim...

Are you being confusing on purpose, scumbag? What's the deal with a cult?

[DrippingGoofball]

Why are you numbering your posts, has?

[DrippingGoofball]

mathusis must be allowed to speak out before we hammer Tar.

malthusis should put his boots on and not waste time.

[DrippingGoofball]

urgh realllllly don't like the massive amounts of modwifom going on
tehvariable, who's alt are you?

vote stef

(cephrir) for pretty much gliding along under the radar the entire game

Speaking of gliding under the radar... lots of players are, and Stef isn't the first one that comes to my mind. Bus'ing much???

[DrippingGoofball]

Testing today's voting system:

vote: Dragons of Summer

[DrippingGoofball]

I mean, DoS has never posted, and is apparently immune to prods. Something really odd going on.

[DrippingGoofball]

I mean, DoS has never posted, and is apparently immune to prods. Something really odd going on.

hascow replaced DoS

Dumb-dum dum dum

[DrippingGoofball]

I have reason to believe that pop is at minimum a cultist, and at most a cult recruiter.

[DrippingGoofball]

@The matter of DGB: I've never played with her before but I have read a few of her games so I don't see anything too suspect, though, I am curious as to why all of a sudden she thinks Tajo is cult.

It's interesting how pop is laying low after I mentioned that he may be cult.

I reckon my suspicion isn't rock solid, but I was hoping that I would get a reaction out of pop. Fading to lurking mode is all I got.

You be the judge.

Under some easily fulfilled conditions relating to the number of votes I get, I am not recruitable. That condition was satisfied yesterday, and on that day, I received a mod PM stating that I was targeted. I don't know by who, or in what capacity.

Pop's been tunnel-visioning on me, pretty much out of the Twilight Zone, and I'm scratching my head as to why he's got to a bee in his bonnet for seemingly no reason whatsoever.

Why, why, why?

[DrippingGoofball]

I have a gut feeling about you, DGB.
And now its tingling like crazy because I dont want to think that the only reason for thinking that Im cult is because Im "lurking" when my last post was yesterday and that Im tunneling you when I only said its gut combined with weak scumtells that you havent even taken the time to negate.
DGB, plz. Amirite about you? AMIRITE?!1

You'd dead wrong.

I find it curious that you made many posts in row yesterday, touting your tingling, but shut up right after I mentioned that I have reason to believe you are cult, and now within minutes of pointing out your vanishing act (though I reckon I might have jumped the gun a little), you re-appear out of thin air. Like a spring-loaded jack-in-the-box.

To go bananas about 'weak tells' and 'gut' like you're doing is odd, very odd indeed.

On the item of 'negating' - you know that 'gut' cannot be coutered by rational arguments, and weak tells aren't worth getting my knickers in a twist about.

Your irrational flailing, however, did attract my attention, and puzzles me.

Did you or did you not attempt to recruit me and failed?

I may know more than I stated previously. So watch your step.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'd like everyone not to forget in most games the mafia cannot be recruited. It'd be convenient for DGB mafia to claim a steadfast ultimate.

I'm not sure where to lean in this. DGB is near impossible to read. poptaj I haven't really paid attention to.

For now,

Vote Stef

(Cephrir)

I have to decide if I want to do something or not.

Er, isn't the pop vs. DGB more important than Cephrir? There's something EXTREMELY OFF with pop's behvior, and you're fretting over Cephrir?

And all you can say is that you've 'never paid attention' to poptaj???

Isn't it time?

Variable, are you culted? We will find out.

[DrippingGoofball]

I did this to resolve the DGB poptaj debate. I personally want DGB to be investigated since she IS so hard to read, but I can understand investigating poptaj as well. This is basically up to the town if they even want to pick from those two.

To reflect my personal curiosity,

Unvote, Vote Context

(DGB)

Please explain how your can say that you want me investigated, and vote for me in the same post.

I need to know how your mind works.

[DrippingGoofball]

Sure.

vote: Context

(myself!!!) ooooo-weee self-vote!

[DrippingGoofball]

I dont get it. If DGB flips town, am I scum? And viceversa? How the hell does that make sense?
And why the hell the fact that DGB thinks that I targeted her (

I might or might not target

) makes me cult?

Is that an admission of guilt?

[DrippingGoofball]

BTW, pop, your timing is always impeccable.

[DrippingGoofball]

Further, I don't like how you tried to imply the false dilemma was there.

I liked it. It's like he's admitting it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Under some easily fulfilled conditions relating to the number of votes I get, I am not recruitable. That condition was satisfied yesterday, and on that day, I received a mod PM stating that I was targeted. I don't know by who, or in what capacity.

I'll claim the targeting. Every action I take will trigger when my ultimate activates. My ultimate happens when I die.

That means you targetted DGB, right?So, DGB any comments of this?

EXCELLENT POINT, I missed that post.

Pesco also said: "I'm not really interested in pursuing DGB as I've already taken action there." And his targeting activates after he dies.

I suspect his action on me was not of a benevolent nature. Pesco isn't going to look too fresh after I turn up town.

GO GO GO

Let's do it.

[DrippingGoofball]

At this rate, it seems you are pretty confident in coming up town. My question is why every one targeting you is immediately suspect to you?

I didn't receive a goodie. I don't think anything prevents me from receiving goodies. So I suspect the person that targeted me is not a benevolent player. Do you have a more clever theory?

[DrippingGoofball]

At this rate, it seems you are pretty confident in coming up town. My question is why every one targeting you is immediately suspect to you?

I didn't receive a goodie. I don't think anything prevents me from receiving goodies. So I suspect the person that targeted me is not a benevolent player. Do you have a more clever theory?

Yes.
You are crazy.

Tell me something I don't already know.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB: are you saying you know that you know that someone tried to recruit you? or that you were targetted in general?

I was targeted in general. But I'm not recruitable - so I assumed that populatajo got all excited after failing to recruit me. But I was apparaently targeted by Pesco.

We do not know the effect of Pesco's targeting.

Pesco hasn't revealed that.

That doesn't mean that the cult never tried to recruit me. Pop's tunnelvisioning on me is just too weird. I can't put my finger on it.

If you think it would be worthwhile to have a non-recruitable townie confirmed, then you should vote me.

Please note that I drank too much wine at dinner. I finally uncorked that bottle of Sauternes I brought back from Paris, and it was most excellent.

[DrippingGoofball]

Pick someone other than DGB. it'll be redundant with my action.

I'd prefer to have the people I target still be alive when my ultimate triggers for maximum effect. Feel free to speculate wether it's a mass delayed-vig or something crazy, I won't be telling.

What???

You killed me?????????

FOOL

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, Im not a good investigation target, to be honest since I have a way to prove Im town and you'll be wasting an investigation on me.

Interesting wording.

Hey pop, what do you think Pesco is up to?

[DrippingGoofball]

You want to die?

No.

I'd rather be whack-a-mole cleared.

But you make it sound like Santa Claus is going to skip my chimney.

[DrippingGoofball]

You get cleared when I die, whenever that happens. I'm just letting everyone know that wack-a-mole should be used on someone that won't be cleared any time soon.

OK thanks - there is a Santa after all...

[DrippingGoofball]

TehVariable,

I enjoy post box bonanzas as much as the next gal, but I like it better when you state who you are quoted. If not, it reads like gibberish.

My read on Pesco is town.
My read on poptajo is... town. Scummy; but town. Still it would help if he was just a bit more cooperative.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB is a bit off.

The medication must be working. Normally, I'm waaaay off.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think Kairyuu is telling the truth.

[DrippingGoofball]

This is what you get in a mind screw game for not being careful—you screw your own mind.

Unvote: Cephrir (Xylthixlm)

Xyl is by a long shot the towniest, sharpest scumhunter in the game.

For his vote, StrangerCoug becomes suspect. Now I have to look up the player order to vote for him, grrrrr.

[DrippingGoofball]

FOS: Electra

(StrangerScum)

unvote, vote: Electra

(StrangerScum)

[DrippingGoofball]

I didn't get any fakeclaims. However, I did get the ability to request any fake role pm that I want (and I may be using that soon just to make a wacky, completely improbable one).

Who said that? Who are you quoting?

[DrippingGoofball]

OK, I checked myself. This was a Kairyuu quote.

How on Earth is a fakeclaim ability townie???

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, thanks SC, now when you don't die instantly maybe Xyl will believe me.

Someone else is trying to kill me? What? Am I such a threat to the scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

Strangercoug origin claimed, and when people see that he doesn't die because of it then maybe the rest of you guys will join in. No one said anything about wanting you dead.

OK what's going on? I'm totally lost.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think need to stop speculating before I become a whimpering ball convinced everyone else in the game is scum.

Xyl's paranoia is noted.

Haha.

[DrippingGoofball]

This would appear to be a lie. Apparently, you have either used your ultimate or this isn't your ultimate condition. Or both.

Splendid.

LAL.

We already know that Kairyuu isn't town-aligned so that lying suggests and

anti

-town agenda rather than a neutral agenda. If he's lying about his actions, he's probably lying about being neutral, too.

We shouldn't waste whack a mole on Kairyuu because we already know he's not town.

Let's whack a mole somebody else, and lynch Kairyuu after, unless we whack a mole a scumbag.

[DrippingGoofball]

I won't believe a proven liar. And a liar about something important, to boot.

The only reason I'm not voting or FOS's is because I want Kairyuu to die, not be whack-a-moled. If he's telling the truth about alignment, what is it to the rest of us? We'll need to kill him anyway. If he's lying, he needs to die.

So let's agree on a whack a mole candidate, and kill Kairyuu unless we hit scum with the whack a mole.

[DrippingGoofball]

i agree with this unless we can somehow prove Dreams of Reality can help the town, then kill him

I would have to believe Kairyuu. I do not.

[DrippingGoofball]

yup always the chance he is lying completely

Even if he's telling the truth, the advantages are marginal at best. Definitely not worth it.

So. Who gets whack a moled?

[DrippingGoofball]

Ok. DGB. How the HELL would Xyl have been able to tell that I was using Dreams of Reality when he accused me of being Mao? Also, How the HELL would I know all ten of them, all of which are part of a show that I have never seen? Do you expect me to have pulled TEN DIFFERENT RANDOM PHRASES that ALL relate to that show OUT OF MY ASS?

Some of what you say may be true. Some may not.

You have admitted that you lied.

How am I to guess when you're lying, and when you're not?

I don't know DGB's meta, but this is just stupid. Didn't Seraphim say that he submitted my post to the mod for lie detecting and only that part he quoted came back as a lie? Honestly people. Use your heads please. Rational choice theorem states that I am harmless and a distraction to both sides. Killing me hurts the town. Leaving me alive removes me from the game WITHOUT having to kill me.

Since you are a proven and admitted liar, how can we trust your claim of being harmless? Or anything else that you say?

[DrippingGoofball]

StrangerCoug's defence of Kairyuu is noted.

[DrippingGoofball]

How do we even gauge what may be gained or lost by leaving him alive, since we don't know if he's telling the truth?

[DrippingGoofball]

Kai lying to us is bad, but I do not think he should be the lynch today. IF during twinight he's killed, then whatever. But with the current claim he doesn't pose any threat to us, and hopefully his abilities aid the town.

How do you know he poses no threat since he's lying?

[DrippingGoofball]

Kai lying to us is bad, but I do not think he should be the lynch today. IF during twinight he's killed, then whatever. But with the current claim he doesn't pose any threat to us, and hopefully his abilities aid the town.

How do you know he poses no threat since he's lying?

I meant that if his current claim is true then he poses no threat to us. I mean, he's only neutral. [If that's what he really is.] His abilities would help town more then they would hurt it, no?

You're missing the point entirely.

Why should we believe anything he says?

What about the inconsistencies re the need to lynch Mao? Are you paying attention? If Kairyuu turns up scum... you're a good candidate to be his buddy.

[DrippingGoofball]

To play Devil's Editor, I think the part about Mao was covered in "everything I said about my win condition earlier was a lie".
Which doesn't make anything better, of course, but I think that's the explanation there.

That's A BOATLOAD of lying, don't you think? Really going to town making stuff up.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm still trying to figure out why he felt he had to lie in the first place.

I'd like to suggest, for your weighing and consideration, that there is some probability that he lied because he's scum, and 'neutral' might be a good claim if he's afraid he'll be investigated, or to potentially ward off investigations.

[DrippingGoofball]

OK folks we're 22 players.

We need 12 for whack a mole. Cephrir has 9.

Do we take him to 12 and find out his alignment, or do we take me to 12 and find out my alignment?

Let's make a decision.

Remember we have to beat a cult. We have to lynch Kairyuu today. I would not delay it. We have nothing to gain by delaying it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Ah, yeah, I forgot that Pesco will clear me.

unvote, vote: Stef

(Cephrir)

unFOS, FOS: Stef

(Cephrir)

One more, and Cephrir gets whack a moled.

[DrippingGoofball]

blah blah blab The extent of my lying was moving my win con to the place of my ultimate condition, making up a new win con, and making up a new ultimate. All three of these things boil down to a single lie because they serve towards the same purpose, to make a massclaim more likely. blah blah blah

QFT

[DrippingGoofball]

Neutral is basically "I want to die" for a claim. If not right then, then pretty soon after. It's not even WIFOM at that point. Scum would have to be suicidal to attempt it.

NOT if he's afraid to be investigated... not if he's a cult leader that's afraid to be investigated... I bet he's hoping to live one more day to have one more recruit.

[DrippingGoofball]

Teh.. one problem with your line of thought. How do you know Kai's abilities are pro-town? Really.

She doesn't even know if the abilities are TRUE, let alone town or scum aligned.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm going with what Dreams of Reality was in the past...

I very much doubt that Tar would make out lives so easy as to repeat everything from the past, roles and alignments.

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm sorry, I saw a few opportunities to irritate Kairyuu that I couldn't afford to miss.

@dahill in 1094: I have no kill that I know of (I won't discount the idea that one of my Dreams may involve a kill, but the previous ones stuck with rule altering, so I kinda doubt it).

So, you have no kill that you know of, but one of your dreams may involve a kill? That's so reassuring. Not.

Also, Dreams of Reality are inherently neutral in their unpredictability.

So what's the use of keeping you??? Remind me.

...but I have nothing to gain by lying now, since I have been outed...

That's debatable. Maybe you're lying about having nothing to gain by lying, too.

That was fun. Thanks for humoring me.

[DrippingGoofball]

<3 Kairyuu - thanks for the scumday wishes! I like yearly reminders of one of the most embarrassing moments of my life, like the one when I joined this site.

unvote, vote: malthusis

FOS: malthusis

[DrippingGoofball]

We need populartajo as one of the first three votes.

Pop has already voted. Or did I hallucinate?

[DrippingGoofball]

If we have to pick one I'd rather go with the one that's not town.

^^^^^
This message brought to you by Captain Obvious.

[DrippingGoofball]

I still say DrippingGoofball should die.

Hey scumbag, why didn't you push for having me whack a moled? The whole reason while I wasn't selected was because Pesco will clear me in death.

[DrippingGoofball]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

You have to vote Xyl if you want it to count against SC.

[DrippingGoofball]

No. Remembering a jester claiming neutral being lynched and thus getting us nowhere ≠ thinking Kairyuu is a jester claiming neutral and his lynch thus getting us nowhere.

Good point. The scum or cult might want to exploit the precedent of a neutral claiming jester in their own fakeclaims.

[DrippingGoofball]

are you implying that Kairyuu is a jester?

unFoS. FoS StrangerCoug

You have to vote Xyl if you want it to count against SC.

For FoS's, no you do not. We've said that a million times already.

Wake up.

Oh.

un-FOS, FOS: Kairyuu

[DrippingGoofball]

That was a jesteriffic end of day.

[DrippingGoofball]

That was a jesteriffic end of day.

???????

You taken your pills today?

As a matter of fact, no... they gave me Kool-Aid.

I'm probably wrong, but I can't help but think that Kairyuu is another Jester, and StrangerCoug is going to lose and die as as his Jester twin.

It's the most likely explanation for yesterday's events that my feeble mind can muster.

[DrippingGoofball]

This game was designed by a genius.

It too another genius to have a handle on it on every turn.

I died like an idiot for using the words 'safe claim!'

Thank you for reviving me.

[DrippingGoofball]

I knew I should have targeted Tarhalindur first thing. Also, Xyl was so obvscum at the end; why did nobody go after him?

Because the mafia killed everyone who suspected me.

WIFOM! WIFOM! Speculation about scum kill motives is scummy!

vote: Xyl

[DrippingGoofball]

Also, everybody wants to kill DrippingGoofball. Your new title should be "Mafia Piñata" or something.

I accept the nomination, haha.

Ouch! Put that stick down.

[DrippingGoofball]

I wanted to use An Offer I Can't Refuse to fake investigation results, but DGB decided to waste it. It all worked out in the end though.

Sowwy.