Are you allowed to respond when someone votes you depending on what they say. If so, please respond to bananas.
Are you allowed to respond when someone FOSes you depending on what they say. If so, please respond to apples.
Yes.. but I don't think there is any rush to find out right now honestly...veerus wrote:Either way.. only one of us will end up being right.forbiddanlight wrote:Or maybe he wants you to...etc. etc. etc.re: mod lynch - I've expressed my thoughts on the subject back on page 2 or 3.. I'm against it as I expect mod lynching to be a bad thing after being a good thing the past 2 games
I'm not going back and reading it, but if I remember correctly it was his ultimate that required 3 or less scum alive, while his kill is exactly like Nat's Punisher role (named Tar) ability from MS2.veerus wrote:Question remains unanswered...DrippingGoofball wrote:Why are you numbering your posts, has?
What are the odds of Tar's role PM being misleading (i.e.: could Nat also be a player despite Tar's PM specifically saying he's not?)
Also, wasn't there a time stasis ability in MS1 where any actions against the affected player would be delayed by a day or two? What are the odds of something similar happening with night actions and us getting slammed with a double whammy tomorrow night?
Anyway, I don't think Tar killed TCS. If I'm reading his role PM correctly, he can only kill people if there areat most3 members of anti-town factions left. Since we haven't killed any scum yet, this implies that in a 30-player game, there are only 3 (or less) scum... which makes no sense. Sure he's an SK, but he's harmless at this point. (unless I'm missing something?) I say we lynch XssX/Seraphim.
Of course, he did say something about cults... From a balance stand-point, is 3 scum + cult balanced?
Something else I think. But I'm not sure. I'm hoping Tar will eventually tell me. Either way comic relief isn't scummy.Vi wrote:I can't tell if Context is here for comic relief or something else.
Bluff? That would assume I know for sure that Nat isn't in the game.Vi wrote:I'll call your bluff on this one.Context 751 wrote:I have reason to believe that the BACK UP MOD is a player in the game.
I don't think we have to do anything. You're more danger to the scum then the town... If you survive, lucky you.Kairyuu wrote:Damnit Xyl. I was hoping that no one would decide to try accusing me of that.
Alright. I suppose I have to claim now then. I am not Chairman Mao. I am Haruhi Suzumiya, from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. I do have the Dreams of Reality actions, which I am forced to use each twilight.
The reason that I suspected TehVariable of being Mao was because the Dreams of Reality actions in this game are completely different from the ones in the previous two games. The ability that I used on Twilight 1 is called "Where did the cat go?" Last twilight I tried to use "Wandering Shadow" and "The Day of Sagittarius." I do not know what any of my powers do, so I'm just picking at random the ones that sound cool. My Twilight 2 powers were both blocked.
I was hoping that TehVariable (assuming him being Mao) would point out that my role also had the Whack-a-mole power in MS I. Essentially, I was hoping that TehVariable would claim Haruhi, so that I could counterclaim and out him.
I was hoping to keep this information to myself until I had met the first condition of my ultimate, since as long as I could get the town to agree to the second condition, it would activate even if I died. The first condition though, is that my Dreams ability activates at least 4 times. The second criteria is to have all living players origin claim. If these two things both happen, then Tar will roll a six sided die in thread. On a 1-2, the players who are lying about their origins will be named. On a 3-4, thenumberof players who lied about their origin will be revealed, and the role name of 1 of the scum will be revealed. On a 5-6, the role names of 3 of the scum will be revealed, and the player name of one of them will be revealed.
I have very little chance of meeting my first ultimate condition now, since I must survive, and not be roleblocked, for three more Days. The second criteria, as I said, can be fulfilled after my death and the ultimate will still resolve.
Here's the interesting part, which will probably get me lynched. My role name, unlike in MS I, is not Townie Dreaming God. It is Neutral Dreaming God. This means, yes, that my alignment is neutral.However, my role is not inherently anti-town, I win and leave the game, just like Yos2 from MS I when I meet my win conditions. My win condition is twofold, just like my ultimate condition. I must successfully activate my Dreams of Reality action 5 times, and Chairman Mao must be dead. This is why I jumped on the possible Mao-tell when I saw it. I wanted to get this part of my win condition finished.
So yeah. If I stay alive for 3 more Days, and you all origin claim, then you get info from the mod. If I survive 4 more days, and Mao dies, then I leave the game on my own.
I'm curious to see the reactions to this, because I have essentially just put my life in the town's hands. Do you lynch me because I am a neutral, and lose the information from my ultimate? Do you keep me alive for my ultimate and then lynch me to keep me from winning? Do you keep me alive until I fulfill my win condition and leave the game on my own? It is in everyone else's hands now.
It becomes a logical fallacy only if you simplify it like that so much. Not only that, but the whole "hypothetical situation" is greatly flawed because it is too simple. There are many other factors at play and you ignoring them is far scummier than the conclusion you then come to because of it.Stef wrote:Let's imagine the following hypothetical situation:
A player is considered scummy.
That person is town.
A unique opportunity to investigate that person appears.
That person tries to avoid getting investigated so the town doesn't waste an investigation.
People see the reluctance to get investigated as a genuine good intention to help the town?
That's a logical fallacy and you appear to be biased. I don't like how you are ok with the idea of wasting an investigation based on your gut. How is that good for the town?
I think we should choose the scummiest player to investigate and at the moment DGB, although with some shady things, doesn't look like the best target for me. I, personally, would chose Tajo for the investigation as he has been more reluctant to answer anything so far and has been acting very weird indeed.
That's why i will do the following:
Vote Seraphim(tajo)
And you are backing your views up with iron-clad facts? My argument is just as rational as yours.Stef wrote:I think it's still flawed. You never said gut but you said "I kind of think she is now". That isn't really a rationality is it? That's why i counted it off as gut.
Biased = "the last two times I thought she was scum, she was indeed scum. I kind of think she is now."
Anyway, this might just be me nitpicking since i've noticed lately that i overdo it a lil bit when i get tangled in details and start quote wars because of it and get totally derailed.
I'm fine either way. I prefer Tajo.
o.OPesco47 wrote:Pick someone other than DGB. it'll be redundant with my action.
I'd prefer to have the people I target still be alive when my ultimate triggers for maximum effect. Feel free to speculate wether it's a mass delayed-vig or something crazy, I won't be telling.
populartajo wrote:Kay guys, you win.
My ultimate goes online when I am the first, second or third vote on the wagon of an anti-town player.
I am leaving a big part of my role to myself. It will all make sense when my role PM is posted by the mod.
Now, can we investigate other person?Specially one from this list?people voting for Tajo wrote:Vi, dahill1, Stef, Kinetic, Machiavellian-Mafia, Xylthixlm, hasdgfas, hasdgfas, TehVariable, qwints
I was never on Pop's wagon. I voted Pop, but intended the vote to carry over to Pesco, read the post:Vi wrote:lol, OMGUS. If you're going to try that line of thought, why not look beyond yourself at who was on BOTH your wagon and DGb's wagon? (Xyl, Kinetic,populartajo 924 wrote:Specially one from this list?people voting for Tajo wrote:Vi, dahill1, Stef, Kinetic, Machiavellian-Mafia, Xylthixlm, hasdgfas, hasdgfas, TehVariable, qwintsTehVariable)
Since I think a few people are going to be on your case to make sure you're one of the first three people on any wagon from now on, I think your claim works for now. So...
Unvote: whoever(Kinetic)
Vote: Machiavellian-Mafia
I only noticed the mod made a mistake when Pop had my name on his list and I said to myself "I never voted pop, wtf"Kinetic wrote:o.OPesco47 wrote:Pick someone other than DGB. it'll be redundant with my action.
I'd prefer to have the people I target still be alive when my ultimate triggers for maximum effect. Feel free to speculate wether it's a mass delayed-vig or something crazy, I won't be telling.
You're right. You make a good case sir.
Unvote;Vote:populartajo(Pesco47)
I wonder if Whack-a-Mole would have any effect on this ultimate condition. (i.e. We still technically 'lynch' someone, except they don't die... )populartajo wrote:Kay guys, you win.
My ultimate goes online when I am the first, second or third vote on the wagon of an anti-town player.
I am leaving a big part of my role to myself. It will all make sense when my role PM is posted by the mod.
Now, can we investigate other person?Specially one from this list?people voting for Tajo wrote:Vi, dahill1, Stef, Kinetic, Machiavellian-Mafia, Xylthixlm, hasdgfas, hasdgfas, TehVariable, qwints
First, your primary move this game-day is the push to "out" Chairman Mao. Your first point is that this person used an ability that Chairman Mao used, however, you later contradict yourself by saying:Kairyuu wrote:Ok. I've been doing some serious thinking, and here is what I have decided:
@TehVariable: Explain your role. Immediately. I have reason to believe that you are Chairman Mao. You have used a power that was one of his powers in MS II. Regardless of the fact that it is a pro-town power, if you are Chairman Mao, you need to be removed so that we can see the rules. Therefore, I think we should lynch you when we are finished with the investigation lynch.
@all: Please allow TehVariable to respond to this post before you guys give your input.
Hmm... were you really blocked?Kairyuu wrote:I attempted to use "Wandering Shadow" and "The Day of Sagittarius" Twilight 2, but they failed to work.
Now, you call me out here:Kairyuu wrote:It's not a massclaim. It's an origin claim. A single origin claim. Granted, it needs to be followed by other origin claims, but the result is a pro-town ultimate activating to give the town useful information (if I survive long enough).
Kairyuu wrote:Kinetic-scum is agreeing with his buddy DGB in 1030, and is just as wrong.
This is for being against the origin claim.Kairyuu wrote:Kinetic fell for the gambit that was hidden within my original claim. When there is a pro-town ultimate on the table, and a massclaim is required for it to activate, then it is much more likely that the scum will resist than the town. Kinetic saying that he will not claim unless wagoned to a near-lynch is scummy. I suggest he be looked at more closely.
Kairyuu wrote:@all: I just realized something. I may actually be able to make it to a win in this game (or at least to my ultimate) if you guys don't lynch me. If I remember correctly, in the other games, some of the Dreams powers were more helpful to the scum than the town. Given that I have horrible luck in guessing this type of thing, I'm sure that if I'm left alive I will end up hitting a few of those (and yes, this is a shameless attempt to keep myself alive and unblocked )
While I do believe, somewhat, that you are neutral, I also believe you are acting anti-town in an attempt to save your life and win condition and are completely OK with causing the town hardship and misery to achieve you win condition if it means the scum will let you live.Kairyuu wrote:for scum:
Killing me wastes the kill for the day, and brings them no closer to winning, whereas killing a townie brings them closer to a win.
Yes. I'm unrepentant about possible mislynches when the person on the other end of the lynch hammer is acting like that. I prefer a very civil game and when people start acting like that I want to lynch them no matter what their role/alignment and no matter my role/alignment.StrangerCoug wrote:Did you really need to post the bold?Kinetic wrote:Ooo Kairyuu, please stop the omgus ad hominid attacks. They make me much more likely to push your lynchand not care if its a mislynch.
Un-FoS: DrippingGoofball
FoS: Kinetic
I'll thank you for having such faith in me -.-;;;.Kairyuu wrote:@Kinetic: So now you decide to act like DGB and ignore reason? Fine, I will disregard your posts as well. It is a given that you will vote me, just like it is a given that DGB will. I only hope that you, like her, are capable of leaving grudges from one game in that one game.
Last game the cult leader gave the recruits extra WCs but didn't take away their old ones. In that game the cult condition was a game ending in a no lynch. No idea what it would be for this game but I'd suspect something similar.Pesco47 wrote:If he's a cult leader, what's happening with his recruits?
Well, maybe, but I don't think its a good idea to go right now. I've still got some questions I want to ponder and ask some questions of other people before we get that far.Pesco47 wrote:Mod's pretty dead from the first post. Now that we know there's scum to be found, do we want to bust out my ultimate and see if I've hit any of them? I doubt I'll be NK'd by anti-town any time soon, so we'll have to go by lynch or a vig.
My targets again, in order: qwints, Variable, DGB (moot), Xyl
The fact that Tar is having just as much fun with this as I am should be proof enough its a joke .Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:I thought this is supposed to be a joke?Kinetic wrote:Shit, I forgot.
HASTUR HASTUR HASTUR
You FOOL! You've doomed yourself! - Tar
Why would I tell you that? My ultimate activated. That's all you need to know. Telling you more could leave me open and I'd like to avoid that.hp [leaves] wrote:Kinetic what was the condition for your ultimate?
I'd FOS you two normally, but in this game FOSes must mean something since can't have two out at once.Xylthixlm wrote:Second hp[leaves]'s question: Kinetic, what was the condition for your ultimate?
*goes back and re-reads my own post*Xylthixlm wrote:Are you suggesting a mass claim?Kinetic wrote:If you guys have read what I can do with a lot of information on the set-up (see Freaktown and B5), given enough information I can break a set-up.
Usually the information I gain is from my own role PM. From there I determine the best course of action.Xylthixlm wrote:If you don't want a mass claim, why the comment about "given enough information"?
That's a stupid question. 0%...populartajo wrote:Xyl, what are the odds of you being culted?
Same question to Kin?
Interesting find there. Good call.Xylthixlm wrote:Which player claimed that something really good would happen for the town if the town did something moderately unusual, even if the player in question was already dead?Pesco47 wrote:So which of these 2 would be the likely one?Tarhalindur wrote:dahill1, Asuka Langley Soryuu (from Neon Genesis Evangelion), Townie Bodyguard, Excommunicated Day 3
veerus, Georgia Lass (from Dead Like Me), Townie Speaker for the Dead, Mysteriously Died Day 3
If Tar can still kill everyone should claim the Mafia Safeclaim ability and since he can only kill if you actually have that ability then he can only kill mafia.Pesco47 wrote:If Tar can still kill, then I should let him off me when I've got a long enough target list.
Nor did I say that you said that either. However, what you said was indicitive of someone with something to hide. While you didn't see any benefits, for the town view it was easy to see there was no possible way this could hurt you. However, unless you are careful, if you are not in a town state of mind you'll immediately notice that there is a disadvantage. The fact that there is little chance of benefit, and the possibility of a severe disadvantage (giving a SK free reign to kill, but only scum), its easy to try and dismiss it without realising the predicament dismissing it would put you into.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:Misrepresentation. I never said anything like "no, I will not not say it under any circumstances". My view was I didn't see benefits, but now I look at it the other way I don't see drawbacks either.Kinetic wrote:Regardless, even I think the mafia falseclaim idea won't actually work, but if you're unwilling to say it is blatantly obvious its because you have something to lose if it does work. Let's lynch this scumbag, alright?
Yea, too many of your posts are one line, not providing much to remember. Many of your longer ones are quote hogs which I tend to skim.Xylthixlm wrote:I've made more than twice as many posts as Kinetic and he "can't remember my contributions to this game".
Congrats on your framing. Very nicely done. I really like how you decided your suspects first, and then built the cases around them to confirm your bias, instead of, you know, reading the game to find the suspects and scum hunting. But that's OK. I'll break down you're little game.hasdgfas wrote: Post 1275 - Kinetic: FoSing people because they want to know something that already happened? And using DGB as an example when WE KNOW HOW SHE DIED? Horrible post. Oh, and voting Xyl because he wants clarification? I thought the same thing he did about you suggesting mass claim. I really hate this whole post.
I really hate being called stupid. I also really hate when someone calls something I say stupid or me stupid because of it.hasdgfas wrote: Post 1295 - Kinetic: This is a terrible idea -_-. Tar is dead. This is stupid. Really stupid.
See, this is that 20/20 Hindsight thing, again. You have it now. I didn't then when I made the post. Neither did M-M. At the time, I still believed it was certainly possible that Tar could kill from the grave, so to speak. Anyone who also believe it had reason not to state the words. Its a MAJOR slip, and one that is completely mental. Its one that I WON'T let go of, and its very obvious that if the mafia can daytalk (which based on what I know of Tar games with the converted twilight setup, they can) that perhaps one of his buddies told him to change his answer quick.hasdgfas wrote: Post 1330 - Kinetic: No, it's not that refusing to say it means there's something to lose, but there's nothing to gain. If you can convince me that there is a positive, I'll go along, but I don't see it. TAR IS DEAD. There are no positives at all.
I disagree. But your defense of him is noted.hasdgfas wrote: Post 1363 - Kinetic: No he didn't.
Like I said, I'm still wrestling with this myself, but something just ISN'T right here, and I cannot put my finger on it...hasdgfas wrote: Post 1373 - Kinetic: If FL is controlling two people, how does it make sense that they're of different alignment? You don't know that MM is scum -_-
Nor did I say that one-line posts = not contributing, but I see what you did there. No, what I said was I couldn't REMEMBER his contributions. I'm sorry, I'm flawed. My memory is not perfect. You try remembering 20 some odd unique people and personalities and view points perfectly. He's slipped through the cracks of my mind and I cannot remember exactly what he's done.hasdgfas wrote:Post 1376 - Kinetic: One-line posts =/= not contributing. One-liners can be the most useful posts in the game.
Honestly, I didn't notice that. I don't normally skip important text like that, but I usually do skip flavor. I think of it, mostly as static. Useless information and I try not to ever build anything on it because I feel like the mod tries to go out of their way to not reveal anything through flavor.Xylthixlm wrote:That's a lot of words to say "OMGUS".
Kinetic - Tarhalindur claimed the kill of DGB in the very post where he announced her dead!Andsaid why the kill happened despite him being dead. Do you just completely ignore italicized flavor text or what?
Do not go there. Don't attack me when you're trying to make a point. I won't have it and its the one thing in the game that will stop me from being detached and having fun; and start getting me seriously pissed off.Xylthixlm wrote:There is no night. If you're as sharp as you claim, I have trouble believing you wouldn't know that.Because remember, Tar didn't make it into the night phase, he was day-vigged before that could happen.
This is you doing it again after I've warned you several times.Xylthixlm wrote:There are no Night Actions. There are only day actions. I find it hard to believe that you haveI didn't know exactly how Night Actions resolved, principally because I don't have any Night Actions for which to resolve, nor have I ever played in a Tar game where I have had any Night actions.noactions, not even an ultimate.
I'm seriously starting to think you're purposely twisting my words to suit your goals, and its starting to look very very scummy.Xylthixlm wrote:Kinetic is scum and needs to die. I'll be putting my vote back on as soon as there's a vote count.
Despite there mechanical differences, the fact is I have never had one to deal with, nor does this role have one. I don't have first hand knowledge of how those differences will work, and can only understand them in the theoretical.Xylthixlm wrote:Xylthixlm wrote:There is no night. If you're as sharp as you claim, I have trouble believing you wouldn't know that.First, I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you smart and therefore scum.Kinetic wrote:The fact is you're arguing semantics and then calling me stupid for not using the exact word/phrase the mod uses.
Second, it's not a matter of "exact word/phrase". Night actions and day actions which resolve at twilight aremechanically different. By calling them night actions you are at best confusing yourself, and at worst trying to confuse the town.
-.-Xylthixlm wrote:Except for the minor detail that someone who is daykilled or lynched still has their action go through, which, you know, turned out to be kind of relevant to the game. I know you're smart enough to see that, so your denial has to be the result of either cognitive dissonance or flat-out lying.
Interesting. He has lurked under the radar quite significantly.Xylthixlm wrote:Kinetic, what do you think about qwints?
-,-Pesco47 wrote:I wouldn't mind acting on Kinetic after all that back and forth.Vote M-M(Kinetic). Lynching is faster than waiting for me to die.