Mind Screw Mafia 3 (OVER)

[hasdgfas]

Hi guys.

Hascow's "I just replaced in so let's catch up" post. Pages 1-9

Posts 6/7 - f-light/tajo: These are good votes
Post 9 - tajo: why immediately think scum? Do you know something about it?
Post 20 - tajo: Why do you think scum first? It's Mind Screw, it could be anything.
Post 27 - Tar: HHGG reference
Posts 30/31 - Caboose/Electra: Good voting.
Post 32 - Variable: Why is being interested in the setup suspicious?
Post 38 - qwintz: hmm, interesting PR
Post 47 - Caboose: No, bad. In mind screw, always try to lynch the mod first.
Post 48 - SG: Good vote
Post 50 - veerus: Please explain why lynching tar is a bad thing
Post 51 - kairyuu: Good call
Post 60 - tajo: What?
Post 61 - Caboose: Why are you voting for qwintz just because he has a PR?
Post 73 - Caboose: I don't like this.
Post 74 - fl: Stop just observing mod comments and actually play the game.
Post 79 - fl: I don't like how you immediately assume it's a scum ability.
Post 81 - Caboose: But we won't know until we try, will we?
Post 86 - Caboose: Why make that kind of assumption so early?
Post 90 - Caboose: But we don't know that the person speaking through the mod is the mod.

FoS: Caboose

Post 99 - BA: Have you been reading the game? Is that all you have to say?
Post 107 - BA: Seriously? You're ridiculous
Post 108 - Caboose: Gut can be good.
Post 113 - Caboose: Voting based on an annoying PR is very anti-town
Post 119 - "Tar": I don't like the survivor-town claim as that's even harder than actually survivor.
Post 122 - Context: This is a completely useless post. Why?
Post 125 - BA: Is that it? Really?
Post 127 - Caboose: It may not be a "scumtell", but it's extremely anti-town. I don't like your FoS here either.
Post 131 - Context: What?
Post 134 - Context: Got anything game-related?
Post 136 - Caboose: WHY? WHY? WHY?
Post 140 - Context: Voting someone for getting a quote wrong? Really?
Post 146 - Empking: Actually, this is probably the best possible move.
Post 147 - SG: You are far too nice.
Post 149 - Vi: Claiming survivor early is actually the best thing to do.
Post 153 - DGB: Rolefishing. Bad.
Post 155 - Emp: Really?
Post 157 - Xyl: I thought you were a fan of early survivor claims?
Post 161 - tajo: he claimed survivor. he's either scum or survivor.
Post 167 - DGB: Why is him claiming his ultimate in the town's favor?
Post 169 - Empking: Understandable with survivor, actually.
Most of Page 8: Don't lynch him D1. That's a terrible idea.
Post 205 - Aries: Please try to use better grammar.
Post 209 - Aries: That's a terrible assumption.

Expect maybe 2 more of these today. Don't expect me to post a lot after they're done though. Any posts I make will hopefully be huge ones, though.

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Hascow's "I just replaced in so let's catch up" post. Pages 10-present

Post 225 - Context: What about it doesn't fit with his meta?
Post 226 - Empking: really? doesn't that completely contradict what Aries said?
Post 230 - Caboose: Can we lynch you now? That's obviously not "no reason"
Post 237 - Electra: You have meta on the game setup? Why is this not being shared?
Post 242 - aries: yes, that happens sometimes
Post 249 - Empking: Are you paying attention at all?
Post 258 - aries: why claim something different than you did? seriously?
Post 282 - Context: technically we don't know if we can quote role PMs, but you're right, it's a bad idea
Post 286 - Aries: No counter means absolutely nothing in Mind Screw where we know that Tar has sometimes given full role PMs to scum to claim.
Post 299 - Empking: wow, just wow
Post 324 - fl: oh THERE you are. I don't like this vote.
Post 340 - Tarmod: wait a second.... 4 deaths?
post 351 - fl: Good work at telling the mod what to do when we don't know the rules.
Post 354 - Stef: Well, we can find out soon, can't we?
Post 355 - Variable: We don't know that yet? No, more length is not necessary. Games always go way too long here, this was a good lynch.
Post 358 - Xyl: haha
Post 359 - Electra: I believe we were warned that we could have Jesters. maybe I'm wrong.
Post 363 - Caboose: Oh, interesting.
Post 365 - Cephrir: Yes, I do believe that SSK wasn't the modvoice. It didn't sound like him at all.
Post 367 - Tar(mod?): I find it interesting that he's giving us more setup info... No point of order. hmm...
Post 371 - Caboose: Well, Empking always looks scummy. This is why he's a better Jester than you, no offense.
Post 372 - SG: I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
Post 379 - malth: um, if we had 2 die and it looks like Emp was one too, then I'm pretty sure all are gone.
Post 382 - Tar(mod?): Ending the game on a Jester win in a large, especially with 3 Jesters, would be terrible, so I expected this.
Post 384 - Aries: You realize that lynching a Jester is bad, right?
Post 396 - SSK: I'm surprised to find you having fun with any role.
Post 408 - XSSX: Please pay attention. Tar already answered this. Skim at the very least.
Post 423 - XSSX: That's a little bit sharp, don't you think?
Post 432 - fl: A good post by fl, interesting.
Post 438 - XSSX: Why do you disagree with it?
Post 443 - Tarmod: Hmm, two more dead people that I found scummy. Either strange NKs, there's something strange going on with targets, or 2 vigs?
Post 449 - Xyl: hi?
Post 453 - XSSX: Hi, please read the game, thanks.
Post 457 - TCS: did you post before? also, did you read when he stopped it?
Post 459 - Xyl: Not necessarily inherently scummy. There can be town reasons for it, especially in mind screw. It's definitely anti-town though, especially with the not playing afterwards.
Post 469 - BA: Following others.
Post 473 - electra: what?
Post 483 - Electra: You're not reading the game. Tar said SSK wasn't speaking through him.
Post 495 - qwints: If you don't elaborate, why should we believe you?
Post 498 - variable: You're totally active lurking.
Post 500 - XSSX: PAY ATTENTION! VOTES WRAP AROUND! HE'S NOT VOTING YOU!
Post 511 - DGB: Saying you're voting for pressure removes the pressure.
Post 513 - SG: But not elaborating is extremely anti-town.
Post 515 - BA: When it's this bad, yes.
Post 517 - BA: DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE. If you're claiming a meta defense on yourself, you're most likely scum.
Post 525 - Pecso: Why reserve the vote? I don't get that.
Post 531 - BA: And if you know that, it's not a valid defense, because you can use it as scum.
Post 550 - BA: Town Jester? I don't like it, but if you want to be lynched, ok.
Post 552 - dahill: this.
Post 565 - tajo: Why, exactly, would Tar not be a good idea?
Post 587 - Cow: The most pro-town post this game
Post 589 - Xyl: I haven't played in a while, so I can't remember.
Post 591 - veerus: It actually makes perfect sense.

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Let's see if this works:

unvote
vote: Context
unvote
vote: DGB
unvote
vote: veerus
unvote
vote: malthusis
unvote
vote: Kairyuu
unvote
vote: zazier
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vote: dahill1
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vote: TehVariable
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vote: The Internet
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vote: BlakAdder
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vote: ShadowGirl
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vote: TCS
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vote: XSilentSinX
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vote: populartajo
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vote: Pesco47
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vote: Stef
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vote: Cephrir
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vote: Xyl
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vote: SC
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vote: Electra
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vote: Vi
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vote: MM
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vote: Tarhalindur
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[hasdgfas]

Is there any reason you voted everyone except yourself in the middle of Twilight? <.<;

well, obviously
I just don't know if it will work >.>

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vote: Context
unvote
vote: DGB
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vote: veerus
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vote: malthusis
unvote
vote: Kairyuu
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vote: zazier
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vote: dahill1
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vote: TehVariable
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vote: The Internet
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vote: ShadowGirl
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vote: XSilentSinX
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vote: populartajo
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vote: Pesco47
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vote: Stef
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vote: Cephrir
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vote: Xyl
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vote: SC
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vote: Electra
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vote: Vi
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vote: MM
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vote: Tarhalindur
unvote

let's see how the voting is working right now with Context's vote.

Tarmod: can you update player names in your next vote count? I'm still listed as DoS.

We should not do anything but lynch Tar today.

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No, don't slow it down. He used quotation marks in his points of order. Has he done that anywhere else when he actually meant something?

vote: MM(tar)
vote: MM

also, beware of his cult warnings. He might have some really abnormal cult. Remember, he's a player too, and wants to survive.

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Xyl: Tar's kill method is "suicided"

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Why are you numbering your posts, has?

Question remains unanswered...

Um, because it helps remind me of something I really need to remember. You and DGB sure like rolefishing, don't you

What are the odds of Tar's role PM being misleading (i.e.: could Nat also be a player despite Tar's PM specifically saying he's not?)

It's Mind Screw, not Bastard Mod. Role PMs don't lie.

Also, wasn't there a time stasis ability in MS1 where any actions against the affected player would be delayed by a day or two? What are the odds of something similar happening with night actions and us getting slammed with a double whammy tomorrow night?

Sure, it's possible, but I find it very unlikely.

Anyway, I don't think Tar killed TCS. If I'm reading his role PM correctly, he can only kill people if there are

at most

3 members of anti-town factions left. Since we haven't killed any scum yet, this implies that in a 30-player game, there are only 3 (or less) scum... which makes no sense. Sure he's an SK, but he's harmless at this point. (unless I'm missing something?) I say we lynch XssX/Seraphim.

He's a revealed SK. Why are you trying to protect him?
Also, where the heck do you get the 3 members of anti-town factions thing left?
I'd FoS you, but for now,

IGMEOY: veerus

Of course, he did say something about cults... From a balance stand-point, is 3 scum + cult balanced?

Why does balance of something which may or may not be the case matter?

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Winning the game =/= ending the game
note the Jesters.
Knew it was a weird cult. Plus, you can never be sure until the mod posts it. You do realize that you may have just doomed yourself if you haven't won, right? Never boast until the mod posts.

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Since you agree his ultimate is not active yet, do you agree then that Tar did NOT kill TCS last night? That's all I was trying to say.

NO! Read the Death Note ability. IT IS A KILL ABILITY AND THE KILL METHOD IS SUICIDED. IT IS TOTALLY OBVIOUS THAT TAR KILLED TCS.

qwintz: You faked a PR. Do you believe there are real PRs in this game? (I'd prefer to start responding to this now, which is why I am.)

Also, please don't claim you're going to pressure someone "tomorrow". It's a recipe for disaster. Go after them right away or later, don't tell them you will later.

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Why are you numbering your posts, has?

This

Also, where the heck do you get the 3 members of anti-town factions thing left?

Did you read Tar's role PM?

Re: Numbering Posts: Remember when Player-Tar said he only had a limited amount of posts? He didn't just make that up for a fakeclaim

Re: 3 members: I did read Tar's role PM, but I was confused because veerus seemed to think that Tar's ultimate was his only way to kill and he couldn't kill without 3 members of anti-town factions left or less, but I couldn't figure out how he thought that. I thought he was referring to Death Note

Context, Cephrir, dahill1, Tarhalindur, hasdgfas, hasdgfas, Xylthixlm, qwints, Stef - Tarhalindur (9)

2 times cow? Is this correct?

You could ask Tar? But I'm pretty sure he double-checked and that is correct.

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@SG: Please read the thread. I have begun explaining the numbering of my posts in my last few posts. If you really want me to answer more in-depth, I'll say that if I don't do this, I may forget something really important and bad things happen.

@Context: If you're talking about how his name showed up in the vote count, try again. The vote didn't wrap in any way, shape, or form.

@DGB: And why should we believe you when you don't elaborate?

@Cephrir: Um, I don't believe you at all. Especially since your statement makes no sense. This game is moving faster so it's

less

important?

FoS: Cephrir
FoS: Cephrir

(for good measure)

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Tajo is being unreasonably stubborn and needs to be investigated. I don't trust him to be town with the fact that he won't tell us his condition to be modconfirmed. Plus, it sounds too much like BA's ultimate.

unFoS: Cephrir
unFoS: Cephrir
vote: Seraphim(tajo)
vote: Serpahim

veerus seems a bit VI to me. DGB is a bit off. I really want to hear something game-related from Seraphim.

I don't understand Pesco. You targeted someone but it doesn't take effect until you die? I trust TehVariable right now, but we should make sure that who we are "investigating" is someone we don't mind lynching, just in case.

ShadowGirl seems to be just floating by.

Xyl seems like Xyl.

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well that's that then.
Anyway, there are two people I'd be really happy lynching right now.


First, Tajo.
Tajo's ultimate condition is really iffy to me and if I'm reading it right his claimed ultimate is far too much like BA's ultimate. Plus his stubbornness to reveal his ultimate condition was really weird, especially because I still don't understand why this condition is such a bad idea to claim/

vote: Seraphim(tajo)

The other is claimed neutral and self-admitted liar Kairyuu.
Honestly, I don't care at all if your ultimate helps us or dreams of reality might help us. You are a claimed neutral who has blatantly lied to us about multiple things. I don't trust you to not be doing it again right now.

vote: Malthusis(Kairyuu)

ShadowGirl seems to be doing a whole lot of nothing, along with Pesco and SC.

Kinetic had the cult claim, which, while it was a joke, I'd still be happy lynching him, because I really hate claims like that, even if the person meant it as a joke.

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tajo, I'm totally reading the thread. I just don't trust you at all. I don't trust your ultimate condition, and if we don't lynch scum, you'll just continue sliding by, which I do not like at all.

Also, I have no clue which post you're talking about and I can't tell why you don't like it either. Because I'm not thinking about anything and not reading the thread and accusing everyone? really? I'm pretty sure that in no posts did I attack everyone. I just pointed out my thoughts on certain people. Main thoughts about the ones I think are better targets, but also slight suspicions on people I may want to look at later. Why is that suspicious? Because I'm still suspicious of you?

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unvote: Seraphim(tajo)
vote: malthusis(Kairyuu)

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Any "told you so" post is immediate vote fodder for me.
Testing to see whether votes still wrap.

vote: Xyl(SC?)
vote: SC

Also, Kai, Portal.

Xyl, what makes you say Vi is/was the cult leader?

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May I suggest lynching Rule 0? If it's out of the game, we get to see the rest of the rules right?

This looks like something just meant to have us waste a lynch and then have a cult win. This is a terrible idea.

I still like one of my votes on SC, but:

unvote: SC(whoever is below him)
vote: tajo(pesco)

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OK, hasdgfas, since when is guessing how a lynch will turn out correctly scummy?

I won't answer for cow, but I'll give you a hint. That's not the scummy part.

correct. It's not the guessing how a lynch will turn out, it's that you were so anti-lynch and then came out with the "I told you so", which is not usually used for any reason other than trying to get people to listen to you more, which scum quite like. I don't care if you are against a lynch, but bragging after it when we lynch someone who, by the way, wasn't a member of the town.
The "I told you so" of Kairyuu isn't as bad as the "I told you so" of DGB. DGB was mafia, and bragging about calling it makes you seem like one of her buddies to me.

May I suggest lynching Rule 0? If it's out of the game, we get to see the rest of the rules right?

What amazes me is no one else has thought of that.

I'll bite.

Vote Rule 0

Though, we probably have to vote the last rule to vote rule 0. Any guesses?

Why is anyone voting to lynch a rule? How does anyone think this is a good idea?

Statement of suspicion: TehVariable

This looks like something just meant to have us waste a lynch and then have a cult win. This is a terrible idea.

why are you so sure the cult is in the lead?

What? Wait? How can you possibly think that is me being sure the cult is near a win? That's me stating my thoughts on that statement. It doesn't make any sense at all to lynch a rule. Seems like it's just meant to have the town waste a lynch and lead to a cult win or something along those lines.


Also, I'm feeling Pesco as something like suicidal cult leader. It would make sense with the targeting, but delay of the actual action resolving until she dies.

Something like vote for a rule to be lynched?

Yes, although there's an even more likely possibility.

Is there a reason that you're not coming right out and saying what you're getting at?

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I can't believe I forgot to do this earlier -_-

unvote: tajo(pesco)
vote: kinetic
unvote: kinetic
vote: malthusis
unvote: malthusis
vote: TehVariable
unvote: TehVariable
vote: hp[leaves]
unvote: hp[leaves]
vote: qwints
unvote: qwints
vote: ShadowGirl
unvote: ShadowGirl
vote: Seraphim
unvote: Seraphim
vote: Pesco
unvote: Pesco
vote: Stef
unvote: Stef
vote: Cephrir
unvote: Cephrir
vote: SC
unvote: SC
vote: Electra
unvote: electra
vote: MM
unvote: MM
vote: tajo(Pesco)

People voting TV should be voting Pesco as it was her idea, and especially voting TV with no stated reason.

Tajo: Why don't you like Kinetic?
Which posts by Malthusis are you talking about that you don't like? I

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First off,

unvote: Xyl

I did not want to vote for him.
Since I'm catching up, I'll do my favorite way of making note of posts I find interesting.

Post 1275 - Kinetic: FoSing people because they want to know something that already happened? And using DGB as an example when WE KNOW HOW SHE DIED? Horrible post. Oh, and voting Xyl because he wants clarification? I thought the same thing he did about you suggesting mass claim. I really hate this whole post.
Post 1281 - tajo: Commenting about possible cult recruits? Why is this a good thing?
Post 1283 - SG: Have you done anything useful this whole game?
Post 1285 - tajo: How is this a useful question?
Post 1291 - Pesco: Are you reading the thread? Tar is dead. He killed last time beacuse he sent in the ability before dying.
Post 1293 - MM: Doing the same thing as me, eh? Interesting...
Post 1295 - Kinetic: This is a terrible idea -_-. Tar is dead. This is stupid. Really stupid.
Post 1297 - SG: I repeat my previous question.
Post 1298/1299 - SG: Sure, it's falseclaim, whatever. What? The phrase is only for yesterday? no. He names it as he uses the ability and it can be the same thing each day.
Post 1305 - Xyl: Thank you.
Post 1313 - tajo: Because it doesn't happen until the end of the day?
Post 1314 - malth: .........
Post 1319 - SG: SG, "YOU MAY NAME". He can CHOOSE the phrase and choose the SAME ONE.
Post 1321 - variable: There are NO positives either. Tar is dead. Nothing will happen. This is yet another thing that seems cult-ish to me.
Post 1327 - SG: HE. CAN. CHOOSE. IT. -_-
Post 1330 - Kinetic: No, it's not that refusing to say it means there's something to lose, but there's nothing to gain. If you can convince me that there is a positive, I'll go along, but I don't see it. TAR IS DEAD. There are no positives at all.
Post 1337 - qwints: That's it?
Post 1338 - hp: ding, ding, ding. There's our drawback.
Post 1339 - Sera: Again, that's it?
Post 1360/61 - variable/Xyl: Yes, he should die. He seems cult to me.
Post 1363 - Kinetic: No he didn't.
Post 1364 - Xyl: agreed.
Post 1373 - Kinetic: If FL is controlling two people, how does it make sense that they're of different alignment? You don't know that MM is scum -_-
Post 1376 - Kinetic: One-line posts =/= not contributing. One-liners can be the most useful posts in the game.
Post 1380 - qwints: This is almost voteworthy. You don't have to fulfill your ultimate. And saying that Xyl's active lurking without even looking wow
Post 1383 - qwints: What?
Post 1386 - qwints: This hurts my head. Activating your ultimate is anti-town if you don't activate your ultimate? What?
Post 1387 - SC: This is a horrible reason to vote.
Post 1392 - hp: not obvscum due to PR, but his explanations for it make him seem as such.


Kinetic, qwints, and probably SG should all die.

unvote: tajo(pesco)
vote: MM(Kinetic)

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@SC: I don't understand what you're saying about Xyl's definition of town. If you mean him going after qwints, from what I understand qwints apparently thinks that he needs to meet his ultimate condition to win, which doesn't make him town, as far as I'm aware. If you mean something else, could you explain?

I really don't like Pesco's or Seraphim's jump on the wagon like that. Maybe I shouldn't have unvoted Pesco.

Kinetic: You're not dead. Now explain yourself.

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vote: hasdgfas
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vote: TehVariable
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vote: hp[leaves]
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vote: ShadowGirl
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vote: Seraphim
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vote: tajo
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vote: pesco
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vote: Stef
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vote: username
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vote: Xyl
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vote: SC
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vote: skitzer
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vote: MM
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Why do I have the feeling Kinetic is town?

I think I've stated my suspicions of ShadowGirl before. If you want me to do it again, fine, but just look at her posts throughout the game and it shouldn't be hard to see why. Especially the quoted post.

vote: qwints (ShadowGirl)

FoS: StrangerCoug

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I feel like although this game was fun, it was not really that balanced. It looks to me like the scum are way too powerful compared to what the town has, and their small number helped them in that with those abilities.

Not to mention the cult that the town had to worry about and the 3 lover-jesters. I know that throwing in lots of stuff can make the game more interesting, but I feel like the balance here was a bit lacking.

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Town were extremely powerful too (multiple killing roles, multiple investigative roles), but were inherently less coordinated than the scum.

well yeah, inherently they will be, which is the problem with giving scum ridiculous powers.

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hasdgfas opted for the whole-hog solution; I suspect that voting only 5-10 players per day would have been more productive (if you *don't* gain a Point of Order, you just got an innocent investigation on 5-10 players, which is gamebreaking).

Argh, I didn't even think about the fact that the role was a pseudo-cop on its own. Yeah, if I had thought of that, I probably would've played that differently. bah.