Pokemon Battles 2 - Attack on Giratina [GAME OVER]

[SirCakez]

Black has definitely felt acerbic this game
I don't have enough experience with her to tell if it's scummy for her or not

[SirCakez]

I had a dream about this game and that's like never a good thing

[SirCakez]

Someone good at mech tell me if I should fight Giratina or not

[SirCakez]

I've been pretty disinterested in this game because I keep trying to go for people who I think are mafia and then get resistance like "italiano and meuh are town" and I'm like "why" and I get "I dunno" as the response. Maybe I'm paraphrasing incorrectly but i think if people would listen to me and we lim a scum people might stop just casually tossing my name out there. I'm actually really good at solving but I need a red flip to help.

Let me help the town. Stop pussyfooting around people that are "vaguely town for gut" or whatever.

Who are these people? Especially I see like absolutely no one defending Italiano

[SirCakez]

I'd be voting for Black right now

Why though? It's frustrating to here people say this/vote for me with no reason. Bianco did it too

Your posts systemically feel survivalistic rather than scumhunting. Your posts read as if you scumread those who scumread you or who you need to in order to vote them.

I concur with this

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to go back to the StD wagon - 6950 feels like such a scum post, like it was only generated to preemptively defend against people who would (very accurately) say that StD once again is doing absolutely nothing

[SirCakez]

Hmmm I could vote Black, my one qualm is I'm eeked out by how hard Italiano is pushing for it

[SirCakez]

Idk maybe but I'm not really interested in preflip associates especially when my reads have been so off this game

[SirCakez]

I'm worried because I feel like I've been off course all game and Italiano is a SR I've had since day one - it was one of those "sure is scum" reads I had like LLD and we all saw how that went
Italianos posting has been better today too, but those first three days and previous occupants of the slot were baaaaaad

[SirCakez]

Italiano wagon should continue to happen just let me think about it

[SirCakez]

This is the crux point of the game I feel like if we don't get a scum today this game is going to be very difficult to win
And that just makes it even harder to decide what to do aaaaa

[SirCakez]

I've been pretty disinterested in this game because I keep trying to go for people who I think are mafia and then get resistance like "italiano and meuh are town" and I'm like "why" and I get "I dunno" as the response. Maybe I'm paraphrasing incorrectly but i think if people would listen to me and we lim a scum people might stop just casually tossing my name out there. I'm actually really good at solving but I need a red flip to help.

Let me help the town. Stop pussyfooting around people that are "vaguely town for gut" or whatever.

Who are these people? Especially I see like absolutely no one defending Italiano

Wheme for one
I think at one point dgb said italiano was town

There's also passive defense because italiano is apparently not being defended (which you are wrong about but anyway) and he still seems very much alive

What does the second paragraph even mean?

[SirCakez]

Goodfellas scummy pending

[SirCakez]

Who TF are the scum this game jfc

[SirCakez]

I kinda want to throw out all my reads and start over

[SirCakez]

I know that I'm not interested in another consensus elim today, we need to take a chance and shoot for a plausible deep wolf candidate imo

[SirCakez]

have I really been townreading scum FL this whole game???

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah I fought Tina too, didn't get much done though

[SirCakez]

I hate this feeling so much we know there are a fuckton of scum in thread screwing with us but I have no fucking clue who it is. It would be one thing if we were just hunting down like the last one but the whole fucking scum team?? FML

[SirCakez]

What's the Klick strat

[SirCakez]

Kinda feel like I should just use random.org to find scumreads and it would probably be more accurate then the shit I've been putting out this game

[SirCakez]

Cakez let's towncore together

I DON'T TRUST YOU I TRUST NO ONE

Cakez let's towncore together

I'm down with Cakez in a towncore for now. You I need to reset on but there's no way someone as apathetic as Cakey is dividing us in two.

I'm not apathetic

[SirCakez]

I don't even want to talk about Italiano

[SirCakez]

Hmmm does FL claim this here as scum?
If there are 5 scum then today is MiLo...

[SirCakez]

I really want to believe it's real because I'm desperate for literally anything at this point

[SirCakez]

titus can you claim if you vigged doctor drew n3? you've already claimed your ability so i don't see what you gain by leaving the doctor drew kill as a mystery

Wasn't this probably a SK kill?

[SirCakez]

@Yimmy I have scumreads (at varying levels of strength) all four elims and all four were town so yeah not feeling great here

[SirCakez]

Blacks AtE seems too extreme to be scum?? Is that a bad call? I'm a huge sucker for AtE

[SirCakez]

Btw if we're doing me or Wheme we should do me - I won't be much help against giratina

This seems kinda fake to me

[SirCakez]

I don't think FL fake claims this here as scum :/
If FL is scum here, the scum team basically has the game wrapped up already and I'm sure they could find some townie to mislim the way this game has been going. Doesn't make sense to draw so much attention?

[SirCakez]

Low-key think DGB is probably one of the best scumspects rn also

[SirCakez]

I mean, if we believe FL and Black then it's Chandra/Wheme by default
Which would honestly make sense, two slots that have been generally townread that haven't been doing that much each day - fits the scum profile I expect for this game perfectly

[SirCakez]

Wheme didn't even vote Black despite saying they believed the FL claim and thought Black was scummy

[SirCakez]

The more I think about it the more I lean to Chandra/Wheme

[SirCakez]

If there's a bus driver or framer or some bs like that I'm gonna cry

[SirCakez]

Chandra's response to FL's claim was to sacrifice himself to save Wheme, when logistically it should have been "oh Black is scum"

This combined with Chandra trying to get the role doubler to target Wheme makes me think they're just scum and Wheme has a very powerful scum role

I agree, that post by Chandra looked pretty scummy and just didn't make sense from town PoV at all

[SirCakez]

VOTE: chandra
I feel good enough to put this vote down now

[SirCakez]

or ig we should do Wheme if the Chandra protecting Wheme theory is correct

[SirCakez]

VOTE: wheme
Ye this is the way

[SirCakez]

Black if you're scum fooling me here I will be very sad

[SirCakez]

Black if you're scum fooling me here I will be very sad

I'm town but I still think

you

could be scum tbh. Your vote for Chandra freaked me out. I like that you switched to Wheme when you could have just ghosted and left your vote there but I still feel like this could be a bus from you. I like that you're working with me but that also gives me pause

Let's cross that bridge when we get to it lol

[SirCakez]

Blacks AtE seems too extreme to be scum?? Is that a bad call? I'm a huge sucker for AtE

Why can't they be real emotions scum is having

They could but idk that's not the vibe I got

I did not offer to die

You pretty much did

[SirCakez]

Join the club Chandra I do that every other post lol

[SirCakez]

This is like a jigsaw puzzle except we're missing all of the pieces

[SirCakez]

My role definitely became cooler when I evolved

[SirCakez]

NM fits into literally every scum team

[SirCakez]

NM fits into literally every scum team

I don't see NM scum here. Why do you?

I feel like this is self explanatory lol how could anyone be townreading NM here he has been exceptionally useless and unhelpful this game

[SirCakez]

And I think it's conspicuous that there was never really a wagon on him during the first four days where we were limming mostly lurkers and limbait slots

[SirCakez]

ugh the Italiano mod kill is throwing me off, I keep thinking it was an elim but it wasn't

[SirCakez]

ugh the Italiano mod kill is throwing me off, I keep thinking it was an elim but it wasn't

What’s the relevance between this?

Italiano was E-2, and yeah, he got mod killed, but I feel they were leading towards being eliminated anyways.

Sucks we don’t get to see how it played out, though.

I just don’t get why it matters at this point if they were eliminated/modkilled

Lots of wagons get to E-2, I don't think Italiano was necessarily guaranteed to be eliminated yesterday. The mod kill forced that obviously but it makes wagon analysis harder since it wasn't actually hammered through.

[SirCakez]

If Black was town, I feel they’d have been faded a long time ago.

I admit I might be tunneled, but like…

Scum would have to have been actively sitting back going against my push on Black.

I don't really think this is true? Black has been townie at points and I've been conflicted on the slot for most of the game and I'm town

[SirCakez]

I know you think I'm scum defending my buddy Black or whatever but that's my opinion

[SirCakez]

do you all think italiano & black were TvT because i sure didn't

i hope we get the opportunity to hunt for black and merlyn's other partners

I just ISOed you looking for any evidence you thought this and I found none?

[SirCakez]

You weren't even on the Italiano wagon you were on Titus at EoD

[SirCakez]

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

This is also such a bs defense point because you were like barely under attack before today, I don't think there was ever even a wagon above 2 or 3 votes

[SirCakez]

Yeah Chandra is scum posting all over the place
Chandra/Wheme is the way

[SirCakez]

Chandra, Wheme, DGB, NM

It could literally be this lol

[SirCakez]

do you all think italiano & black were TvT because i sure didn't

i hope we get the opportunity to hunt for black and merlyn's other partners

I just ISOed you looking for any evidence you thought this and I found none?

Ugh. This feels important. I need to give it all another read later.

this is me thinking about which one to move to

That post could mean literally anything

[SirCakez]

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

This is also such a bs defense point because you were like barely under attack before today, I don't think there was ever even a wagon above 2 or 3 votes

have u ever heard of the long game, or not being able to predict the future

??? who plans kills based on if they might be under pressure in the future??

[SirCakez]

Cakez how tf do you think we’re scum

It's you two or Black and I'm seeing a lot more scummy content from you two

[SirCakez]

Black it's pretty obvious that they are treating me like a townie bc they know I'm town

[SirCakez]

do you all think italiano & black were TvT because i sure didn't

i hope we get the opportunity to hunt for black and merlyn's other partners

I just ISOed you looking for any evidence you thought this and I found none?

Ugh. This feels important. I need to give it all another read later.

this is me thinking about which one to move to

That post could mean literally anything

Reach more

if i'm scum why did i kill ranger and mathblade, my staunchest defenders

This is also such a bs defense point because you were like barely under attack before today, I don't think there was ever even a wagon above 2 or 3 votes

have u ever heard of the long game, or not being able to predict the future

??? who plans kills based on if they might be under pressure in the future??

...everyone?????

You're the one who's reaching, you're saying a vague ass post about you needing to read more is evidence you thought Italiano vs Black wasn't TvT which is ridiculous
And I disagree on the second bit but I suppose it does depend on the scum player. I'd rather shoot for PRs or widely townread players.

[SirCakez]

Black is the only one of the three who actually seems to be trying to solve and win this game, meanwhile Chandra and Wheme are just sitting around complaining about the reasoning for scumreads on them. There's no solving at all there.

[SirCakez]

Ex;

Magical Girl (12)

Lady Lambdadelta, Enchant, Firebringer

, NorwegianboyEE,

Skygazer

,

Metens

, KittyTacky,

Doctor Drew

, SirCakez, Meuh,

Sheepsaysmeep

, Black
Lady Lambdadelta (11)

WhemeStar, Flavor Leaf, Ranger, Doctor Drew,

KittyTacky, NorwegianboyEE,

Malakittens

, SirCakez,

ItalianoVD, Enchant,

Not_Mafia

look what you've done to me im actually coloring in vote counts ive finally lost it

What did Chandra even accomplish with this post? I see nothing showing she actually was trying to solve the game here.

[SirCakez]

Don't really want to talk to scum anymore can some town show up here please

[SirCakez]

Kpop

[SirCakez]

I low-key think DGB is the most obvious and likely scum candidate rn lol
Like Meuh said DGB is in literally any scum team and the slot was in shitty spots in multiple wagons

But we have concrete evidence for the Wheme/Chandra/black trio so we should stay there

[SirCakez]

FML I was literally just starting to feel about this game

[SirCakez]

Feel good* ebwop

[SirCakez]

I'm not seeing Black's play as scum at all dude
What are you going off of here? I'm listening

[SirCakez]

And you have to acknowledge the ninja claim is suspicious, that's hella convenient to claim after the night actions didn't add up

[SirCakez]

Someone is gonna ask me so - I didn't see the ninja claim/discrepancy in night actions until it was pointed out a couple pages ago

[SirCakez]

Sure, but there's tons of other reasons from this game that show I'm coming from a town perspective.

Ok just answer this question
Why did you wait until after the conflict was brought up to claim the ninja part of your role

[SirCakez]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

[SirCakez]

Lemme do some meta and see how Black has acted as scum in the past

[SirCakez]

The holdup for me is more that I find Chandra scummy af

[SirCakez]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

I'm on a clock. AMA.

Why is it Black here? Beyond rage. Give it to me in like two sentences.

[SirCakez]

Cakey, what do you think about how the thread's impact on me deciding to heal you over Flavor? Do you feel I was influenced like my theory says or do you feel I'm largely immune to manipulation in this state or do you feel sending me to you over FL was good persuasion if so by whom?

This question kind of confuses me. I think you're a strong enough player and have been fairly involved this game so I don't think the thread would have been that big an influence on your heal decision

[SirCakez]

Ugh Blacks only scum games are two newbies
Whatever I'll check them out

[SirCakez]

Most of my townreads think it's Black ://

I'm on a clock. AMA.

Why is it Black here? Beyond rage. Give it to me in like two sentences.

KISS (Keep it Simple Silly). It makes more sense to believe I was wrong on one person rather than two. That leaves FL or Black. Black's statements to not consider FL lying until someone else opened an angle suggests Black scum.

I agree the sudden pivot to FL only when someone else brought up could be a scum move. And FL is sorta convincing me that wasn't a scumslip. Our reads without mechanics disagree on Chandra and Wheme rn so idk what we can talk about there.

[SirCakez]

Sure, but there's tons of other reasons from this game that show I'm coming from a town perspective.

Ok just answer this question
Why did you wait until after the conflict was brought up to claim the ninja part of your role

It was a different move.

I stated I evolved, and got the move.

I stated the move I had was disabled Night 1 when I confirmed to malakittens with 'my disable' prior to her stating what it was.

I started with that move with no targetable actions, so the unstoppable/ninja side of it absolutely is not the main part of that role. The +1 DEF is.

It seems like a red herring in the setup for this specific reason. As scum, I would not have been in this situation because if I was able to target, as proven when I targeted Chandra Night 3, why wouldn't I have done that to Wheme for security?

hrmmm okay

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

[SirCakez]

I do trust u to lead us to glory FL. I'm just getting so paranoid how
NO ONE CAN BE TRUSTED

[SirCakez]

I'm basically ignoring the wagons at this point because they were so fucked the town just had terrible reads this game lol

[SirCakez]

I'm gonna be so mad if I was right on Chandra/Wheme here and scum are pulling me off

I'd be mad too. I hate focusing in this pool because my independent read levels support eliminating NM or DGB. Not the active people claimed.

Of course looking at wagons has got us into this mess so...

Also yeah I agree DGB and NM are the most likely scum at this point I think

[SirCakez]

UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

Oh was that self hammer??
Aaa

[SirCakez]

Man this game is so hard wtf
I hope if Black is town it's just over I can't take this anymore lol

[SirCakez]

Why am I not out of my misery

[SirCakez]

Im kinda feeling like just following Black here and limming FL because he totally and 100% steered us wrong yesterday

[SirCakez]

But with five scum NM is basically confirmed scum so maybe we should just do that first

[SirCakez]

I know a bunch of you in the (Chandra, Titus, FL, Wheme) people are scum y'all have been full of shit this game

[SirCakez]

Well come back of the century if we pull this one out

[SirCakez]

It's some combination of Chandra, FL, Wheme, Titus, DGB, StD, NM

[SirCakez]

Guys our odds are low-key good here statistically LOL

[SirCakez]

I did play a game a long time ago where we were in this dead fucking same situation 6 town vs 5 scum and we managed to elim every single one of them in a row!

[SirCakez]

I think the way to go might be to do FL and just say fuck it. Because if he's scum he's been the mastermind of this game and I'd much rather get rid of him then a do nothing NM. And if he's town then just fuck it we deserve this loss.

[SirCakez]

If we get rid of the loud day presence scum players then maybe whoever makes it to the end can cut through the noise and figure it out

Sorry for the spam btw just lots I'm thinking about rn

[SirCakez]

Yeah that sounds highly plausible

[SirCakez]

I know it's LiLo but I'm sooooo close to saying fuck it and voting FL
I don't even want to hear his bs excuses and defense when he gets in here and tries to save it

[SirCakez]

FL/Chandra/StD/NM/DGB?
Could totally see this

[SirCakez]

Actually no would Chandra come out bussing FL here? Not sure

[SirCakez]

FL is scummmmmm

[SirCakez]

Like flailing at this point

[SirCakez]

I think he knows he's going down at this point and is just trying to throw out misleading garbage, I don't want to listen to it
Even if he's somehow town he's proven this game he is not someone we should be following

[SirCakez]

lock your vote on me, Cakez.

Like why even say this as town?

[SirCakez]

Cakez, you can see them grouping up in the thread.

I think you are town.

@Merlyn - You see the similarities between me this game and that last game, and see the differences between Cakez here? This is most likely scumCakez.

He's just changing his reads based on whatever will help his argument at the moment.

I don't plan on engaging FL at all anymore just gives him more to weasel his way out of this. I'll talk to other people tho.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, let's suppose FL, NM, one of Chandra/Wheme are scum, who are the last two?

Somewhere in the pile of leftovers, Wheme, DGB, Meuh, you
I have no clue I just want to get rid of one of the obv candidates and hope I get Naked lol

[SirCakez]

StD

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, let's suppose FL, NM, one of Chandra/Wheme are scum, who are the last two?

Somewhere in the pile of leftovers, Wheme, DGB, Meuh, you
I have no clue I just want to get rid of one of the obv candidates and hope I get Naked lol

NKED
NOT NAKED
FFS

[SirCakez]

We have Chandra and Wheme for FL by default, myself, NM will hammer. So two more people and we gottem. Titus could be one.

[SirCakez]

Someone who's not obvscum make a claim order

[SirCakez]

I meant to fight Giratina but day ended before I remembered to submit it ;_;

[SirCakez]

I don't want to legitimize the crap FL is spewing, I hope that most anyone can look at his posting today and see it for the clear flailing from a scum with a BS role claim that lead directly to a mislim who's finally and deservedly in the crosshairs

[SirCakez]

Like the desperation is absolutely palpable here, it was completely absent yesterday despite the fact we were also in MiLo then. And Black's dying wish was to fade FL today and we know she was town and I trust her reads.

[SirCakez]

drowning the thread in posts is such a fun tactic that everyone likes to play against

Don't feed the scum just ignore him he's open wolfing at this point

[SirCakez]

drowning the thread in posts is such a fun tactic that everyone likes to play against

Don't feed the scum just ignore him he's open wolfing at this point

I'm just worried bc it only takes one person to not see it

I'm hoping some scum get locked into voting him because of their claimed positions/reads in thread but yeah if NM is town for example this is already over

[SirCakez]

Whoever is town in the DGB, StD, Merlyn, Yimmy, Meuh pile really needs to come through here

[SirCakez]

Chandra popcorn someone

[SirCakez]

Your password, social security number, credit card number and security code, bank account information, anything else we might need

[SirCakez]

I'm Honedge -> Doublade -> Aegislash
I can slash people to deal one damage, Iron Defense move to gain +2 def for a battle but I can't evade, a passive that makes anyone I visit gain my base attack and def for a cycle, and a 1-shot BP I gained on my first evolution. Which could very plausibly be why there was no kill last night.

Popcorn StD

[SirCakez]

Why am I not out of my misery

probably cause of the 1-shot bulletproof? that you just claimed

True LOL

[SirCakez]

But hey if I was the reason for the no kill then they can mercy kill me tonight!!

[SirCakez]

I like how FL's scum reads and the list of people actively suspicious of him are identical

He is not this bad at mafia

[SirCakez]

Like, in FL's hypothetical conspiracy world, the entire scum team came out together one by one to get him specifically eliminated. That's literally like the path of MOST resistance possible. Why not just roll over NM or DGB? It's just absolutely illogical and ridiculous.

[SirCakez]

blah blah blah scum continues to spam post I'm gonna go back to sleep and wait for mass claim to finish

[SirCakez]

Stop talking to him Yimmy you're just giving him ammo to try to defend himself
Cabd taught me this a long time ago when you're sure you've caught scum don't just keep arguing with them because eventually they'll find holes somewhere in your argument to exploit

[SirCakez]

Just let him keep digging his own grave

[SirCakez]

Ugh if this is over after all that what a disappointment

[SirCakez]

So this entire day was a complete waste of time

[SirCakez]

I mean scum deserve the win but it's just so obnoxious how we had this game figured out and then it was pointless

[SirCakez]

I'm never a fan of any mechanic that punishes town for eliminating scum

[SirCakez]

My guess is FL/Titus/NM/StD/DGB

[SirCakez]

It should just be disabled in LiLo easy fix
Oh well

[SirCakez]

The fact NM was never up for elim was such a dead giveaway in hindsight
Like we should have been on that shit so much earlier

[SirCakez]

The fact NM was never up for elim was such a dead giveaway in hindsight
Like we should have been on that shit so much earlier

[SirCakez]

Ops double post
VOTE: flavor leaf
I suppose

[SirCakez]

ig there's like a 0.00001% chance FL is BSing here but I doubt it, would rather just vote to surrender or smth tbh

[SirCakez]

I do love me some NM haha v useful to speed slow games up
And I think I'm getting better at reading him..maybe??

[SirCakez]

Lim my ass please

[SirCakez]

Wait yo was I the reason for the no kill??? I'll at least be happy if I managed to lure scum kill to my BP

[SirCakez]

My guess is FL/Titus/NM/StD/DGB

Yeah this is it give or take one

[SirCakez]

fluvur luuf
justice served

[SirCakez]

yo mafia has a double vote that they can also use in elo? extremely based

How’s it feel to be only town talking the past couple hours

What am I chopped liver

[SirCakez]

Ok c'mon turning off double votes in LiLo is basic setup design

[SirCakez]

If scum had the double vote then they literally had hammer at any time

[SirCakez]

who knows at this point maybe scum have a quintuple dayvig nuke they've been hiding

[SirCakez]

guys I lied about my role I have a triple vig that activates on night 6 y'all are FUCKED

[SirCakez]

It didn't help that a bunch of townies decided to play like scum for the first four days
Couldn't have served up easier mislims to the scum if we tried

[SirCakez]

It didn't help that a bunch of townies decided to play like scum for the first four days
Couldn't have served up easier mislims to the scum if we tried

five days

I think Black was pretty townie tbh. Certainly moreso than the first four.

[SirCakez]

It didn't help that a bunch of townies decided to play like scum for the first four days
Couldn't have served up easier mislims to the scum if we tried

I told y'all Magical Girl and Malakittens were obv town.

Well ya easy to say when you're scum and know they are town LOL

[SirCakez]

anyways all this shit is easy to say in retrospect
We were all trying our best (for the most part) in the moment, and it didn't fall our way. Sucks we just have to learn from it.

[SirCakez]

Scum played well. It doesn't seem like town did on the surface, but scum gets hit once, it's a domino effect and things can unravel, so it wasnt exactly that one sided.

Very true. If we hadn't been doomed from the start today and actually limmed you safely town definitely had a good chance here

[SirCakez]

i loathe mafia

feeling this rn for sure

[SirCakez]

gg good game from everyone!

[SirCakez]

Cakez was the hero of the town

I'm just so glad I was important this game haha I usually am useless with my roles