Weird Dreams Mafia Redux [Finished]

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I am Not a cult leader this time around

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I like Dragon again for taking the 5x run the nightmare vote on the first page seriously

VOTE: Aureal

Bianco playing not carefully is towny I think

Ranger is automatically scum for putting STD at the bottom then switching him to the top when he asked nicely

i see the nightmare changed..... my first reaction is "Add everyone, use the vigilante as a second elimination" -- let me know if that is not achievable, I didn't read it all

Not sure there's an advantage to excluding people really

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Lurking out cuz wasnt prepared mentally to read another large game HAD I ROLLED SK again maybe I am not hurt by the "mid takes" comments I already forgot them don't worry. The way im being read and described by dragon/sheep here feels right

Katy, why'd you put me in the Nightmare of all people?

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Spoiler: Rauth and Rat

.... wow is me playing to my town meta in Conception really going to screw me over twice?

But really there isn't much I can do to defend myself against the original argument for why I'm scum even if I wanted to.
I'm being scum read for having bad takes and not clarifying my assumptions with every mech post I make. All I can do now is try and look at everyone else and get reads... which early on I'm terrible at.

For what it's worth I think there's a chance at least one scum is pushing me, I'm just trying to figure out why. DragonEater I don't think is that though, and I like a lot of what else they're posting. Drew I'm going to agree with Ranger on and keep them as town... Python and Radical Rat I think were decent enough though the latter should probably be resolved one way or another at some point due to their claim. THOUGH. I believe we can actually do that without flipping them... by using Inquiry to ask if Radical Rat would investigate as an alignment they are not. (Doesn't actually confirm alignment on it's own since both scum and town can have roles that can do this.) That leaves... Aureal and Abnegation... Abnegation I'm... not sure about... I don't see much in the way that leans me town or scum from them. Aureal is just... not present mostly? Hmm. Let me look elsewhere as well, but.

HURT: Doctor Drew, DragonEater, UsesPython, RadicalRat, Ranger
I'll expand it to seven later once I get more town reads and probably change the list some, but. There's an initial list of people I think are town.

VOTE: Aureal
If anything just to get you to do a bit more in the game.

Sure, we could waste a Nightmare on an inquiry that doesn't actually tell you anything useful, or we could y'know. ACTUALLY confirm alignment?

This is what I'm talking about. We've already established Bulletproof IC is legal, and while I am open to alternative ideas if there's something better I'm overlooking, you just keep trying to insist we do objectively worse things instead.

Does a Townie really get handed the possibility of Bulletproof IC and think "Hmmm, I'd rather have a weaker investigation and no protection"???

.... Confirming that a claimed Miller would investigate as a different alignment isn't alignment confirming? That's news to me.
Inquiry might also be one of the only Nightmare powers that can't be redirected or rolestopped though, so. Given a role stop on an IC invention would be a fake guilty...

It isn't confirming, no. It's close, but there are edge cases.

A rolestop is theoretically possible, but this setup falls apart pretty quick if scum can just completely negate the primary gimmick, so even if they have one I don't think it would apply to the Nightmare, and even if it did, why would it only apply to the invention?

I mean I have a pending question to Korina for confirmation on what the 'award' text means for if it's an ability that can be messed with or not. I'm just guessing given the power the nightmare has, that if scum knows what will happen they have a way to mess with it. Making it important for us to put town into the nightmare. A redirect/deflector I think is more likely then a rolestop though.

Rauth are you STILL sticking with your idea of the nightmare even after getting this response, because yo uwant to clarify some mech thing from Korina?

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I don't get all the people saying it's town!dragon. Any links to read where he does this as town? In fact, 43 and 47 seems like a specific evolution of this trope to make him look towny. Not really a scumread but more of a :igmeou: at this point.

This is a lot like how he played in the last Dreamsfrom what i see so far I dunno dont see any detectible difference yet

Can we just policy the next person to keep talking about mech today?

I am not used to this python.

I like it, but not used to it.

I mean we literally speedran the mech and came to the conclusion by like page 8 that we should give BP IC inventions if it's legal and Activated IC if it's not, any further mech talk is literally pointless and shouldn't have been going on for another 5 pages especially because like 75% of the playerlist is lurking because of it and I just want to play the damn game

No mech required now past page 8? Love you

I notice a lot of talk about finding trustworthy people to put in the Nightmare. I would like to say that I am town, thus feel free to put me in there, coach(es).

You convinced me

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Rauth what do you think about the idea that we do the BP activated IC.... whatever thing. can't we do that instead of hijacking the nightmare for whatever the Korina thing is

YEs, I probably sound grossly ignorant of all context

But i would think simplicity is best and just go for scum now I dont want to look at another mech thing if we can just do something strong like bulletproof IC or whtever

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Abegnation scummy why (@Everyone)

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I'd rather we not get blindsided by scum being able to manipulate the nightmare results.

KORINAI S THE MOD OH LOL

So stupid I thought you were waiting on another player's answer

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Thank u Korina we have sorted that saga out

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Aureal you feel different from Team Mafia, I could be misremembering but you're not as engaged? Am I high on bath salts

Although I totally agree with 362 overall

I think Katy is town, body of work

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Also you're not cult leader? :P

I'm not, I could be having so much fun right now but something something some guy named "CLONE" just didnt like the cut of that games jib

Well. I whiffed my first shot so maybe for hte best Kirigriiiii

I have no idea what Rautherdir is trying to say here and I'm starting to wonder if there's really something to the idea that he's trying to muddle things to avoid town getting confirmed innocents from the nightmare.

LMFAO

So far i Pseudo Nightmare: DragonEater, Katy, Python

Dragon asked me to explain my Aureal vote in 150. I think just because Aureal hadnt done anything yet and i had a quicker impression of her in team mafia

Second, I completely disagree about Bianco. Their posting is just filled with random, thrown-out-in-the-open comments that serve absolutely no purpose, and a jokey (I guess) vote at a point where serious votes should be made. I read this as scum.

Also I don't believe you about not being a cult leader. Please cult me tonight.

That's not my impression of scum bianco at all though. At least given our team mafia game

(^•ω~^)☆

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Aureal you feel different from Team Mafia, I could be misremembering but you're not as engaged? Am I high on bath salts

It's funny because that's what I've been thinking about you. :lol:

LOL true

Team Mafia was a micro.... I chose the micro instead of the large theme for a reason.

Maybe we react to heavy D1 thicc content similarly (Or the salts thing)

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Dragon asked me to explain my Aureal vote in 150. I think just because Aureal hadnt done anything yet and i had a quicker impression of her in team mafia

As in, the game you replaced into a decent way into the day so there was actually a good bit of content to look at by that point?

I think I probably had about two posts there in the first 48 hours?

You are making way too reasonable of a point right now

VOTE: Abegnation

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Rauthr isn't necessarily scum but they certainly do believe in... efficient mechanical play. At least from what I've seen so far. Which looked like filler but wasnt as bad as i thought

Abanegation iso sort of bland and they sheep Rauth wagon and also question a townread on them recently so Eh

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peak mafia

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Agree Katy just vibed town really hard

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Not that I've played with him ever, but you know how that goes

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Merlyn's response to sheep is kind of nitpicky do you always vote in exact predictable fashion based on what you've written in previous posts, what if something changes or if you think about it differently later

I guess that's like, something you could say in response to any inconsistency ever. Is voting Abegnation over me scum indictative though ? Just, why?

I voted Abegneation because a bunch of votes, lots of fluff, no towniness, plus questioning why people that do townread them are townreading them sus! Plus, I guess I'm leaning Rauth is a townie who posts filler ? So might as well start there

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I am caught up

I have no desire to talk about what I thought it's very confused

ok I was going to go away but sadly I am addicted to mafia so I will answer these

Lol mood

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Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

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Did u see anytthing towny i just thought it was fillery

Do you see the nothingness

Can you describe Alianna any more perfectly?

To be fair haven't played with Alianna to m y knowledge

Merlyn's response to sheep is kind of nitpicky do you always vote in exact predictable fashion based on what you've written in previous posts, what if something changes or if you think about it differently later

I guess that's like, something you could say in response to any inconsistency ever. Is voting Abegnation over me scum indictative though ? Just, why?

I voted Abegneation because a bunch of votes, lots of fluff, no towniness, plus questioning why people that do townread them are townreading them sus! Plus, I guess I'm leaning Rauth is a townie who posts filler ? So might as well start there

well, i can question scumreads (is that a scumread?) too.
what's the difference between me posting filler and rauth posting filler? the fact that rauth's filler is mech-based? there's, like, one or two posts in their iso that discuss actual reads. is anything especially towny in those posts or in the way they've gone about talking mech?
this feels mildly contradictory when i really look at it.

Ye of course you can question scumreads the way you went about it just seemed aimless to me

I'm not raally sure its contradictory to find the way Rauth did it towny and you not. I thought Rauth was definitely playing to a purpose which at first was filler nonsense to me but then I ended up believing him

You're more of a collection of different thoughts that i didnt townread across a large body of work

i dont know if i even engaged the same portions of my brain for the two reads you're ike a general vibe check where Rauth is a genuineness check as to the intentions.... hang on...

Yeah if you read across Rauths ISO its one long dicussion on the nightmarte and vigs and bla bla bla

Yours is more jokeys with some one liner reads sprinked in with a side of commenting on players meta. Nothing bad just a vibe of maybe floaty scum to me. Rauth seemed focused on waht he ws focused on

and like in that game MT was pretty set to already be getting into the nightmare anyways going off votecounts and I'm not really seeing anyone here going "Yeah Drew's gigatown get him in there"

-A

hmm.
i wonder if korina would try to switch things up this game by having that ability be anti-town. it does feel intuitive to do that. maybe mod spec is a bad idea though.

I kind ofl ike this thought


Also i have a big question, did Drew just get forcibly put into the Nightmare? If I'm understanding right?

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Yeah he was (pedit: Thank you)

Ranger that didn't have anything to do with you did it?

Now I know this sounds insane but

This somehow didn't go through earlier;

VOTE: Drews-a-licious

There's many things I'll

Drew

. Voting a town-him not among them.

Why did you italicize this? i saved this as a crumb

Nah this is stupid because this is so much earlier in the game though

Just know I spent ten minutes or so missing the pun Ranger makes in this post and conneccting that to Drew being put in

drew, have you got any scumreads?

Really just coasting through D1, gonna sheep those I feel most confident in town.

But not liking Rauth or Sheep, to a lesser degree.

drew, have you got any scumreads?

Really just coasting through D1, gonna sheep those I feel most confident in town.

But not liking Rauth or Sheep, to a lesser degree.

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.
i do feel similarly about rauth and sheep though.

hmm. i guess your strategy being "coast and sheep people" explains some stuff if i believe it. i'm not sure if i believe it.
your play has felt different this game. from what i know of town!you, you normally don't have issues posting stuff that ruffles people's feathers, or making reads that come off as scummy or tinfoily. i got the vibe that you might be trying to avoid doing that this game. trying to get people to like you.

Being honest, Doctor Drew is playing as he does when scum.

Were I unwilling to provide benefit of the doubt, he'd nearly top my scumreads.

I actually

do

believe him though; idk why. Gut I guess.

{usesPython, Abnegation}
{KatyKimFanclub}
{Rautherdir}
{Save The Dragons, Radical Rat}
{sheepsaysmeep}
{Aureal, Morning Tweet, camelCasedSnivy}
{Doctor Drew}
{biancospino, Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Merlyn}
{Flea The Magician}
{WhemeStar}
{Titus}
{DragonEater70}

kind of want to vote Drew

I'm not used to coasting Drew who sheeps townreads n such

Conflicted on the implications of Drew being forced into the nightmare's though

UNVOTE:

I'm confused why people think scum!rauthe would do whatever rauthe did to make himself look scummy

I get why everyone finds Rauth's posting there so egregious altho i do struggle to answer this question

RR looks really good

Look. If kills happen before invention awards that doesn't change which invention we should reward. Since that affects all invention awards equally.
It DOES affect how we should give the awards. It would have meant we should definitely try to only put 7 town into the Nightmare, if the person gifted to gets killed then we can guess that scum is within that much smaller group of people then.

So I'm confused why this latest thought of mine is getting used to scum read me since it's an argument for the plan you all are currently proposing and I also fail to see how suggesting it is scummy.

Rauthe how are you still going on about this ON THIS PAGE

DO YOU WANT TO DIE

Only like seven or so separate unique players have said "Lets just stop the mech talk" including fucking YOU on the prrevious page

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We should get more votes on Rauth

Yeah okay: VOTE: Rauth

Why are you voting Rauth?

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my gut still inclined to believe Rauth is town and camel/Python both seem like town to me ESP Python

RR towny

I'm kind of lost why Katy is scum and Im too scared to ask same with DragonEater

Drew sort of seems like town to me

Its funny that Ranger is such a polarized read ive no clue

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I'm woefully out of the loop

I am only going to read tke Kyoko/Ranger thing if I have to, probably on D2. Right now I don't really think there's a way to tell who's town or not from the argument.

It's pretty simple: Ranger town, Kirigiri sussy baka

Here me out.

Merlyn doesn't want to be forced to fake a read?

And while you are at it, hear me out as well.

that would be an unfortunate flaw on my part, probably going to be easy to catch in all games as scum then

What's this mean?

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out of the loop gameplay wise. not related to my question

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I'm fairly certain players aren't giving credit to me where it's due this game. I've been ahead of the curb at nearly every stage.

I was the one who brought up the mechanical reason for not putting everyone in, and people followed it after I brought it up.
I was the one who brought up Rautherdir was likely a town mislim off the back of players like Radical Rat, and people followed it after I brought it up.
Most of my reads, you've objective evidence I was the first to have, yet after forming them suddenly everyone had them. Examples include my DragonEater70 scumread, Titus read, Flea read, Aureal suspicion, and countless more.
Including the entire reason we have a Meryl wagon in the first place being

I suspected her

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Everyone's sheeping

my

case (which is off the back of my Rautherdir case, mind), and backing

my

wagon.

You can suspect me all you want.
Don't try to erase my contributions, for what they are.

Ok Ranger likely town.

I kind of think that's towny for Ranger and I usually don't townread Ranger, ever

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HURT: Python
HURT: Ranger
HURT: Titus
HURT: Abengation
HURT: Aureal
HURT: Rauth (Almost did Save the Dragons)

I forgot abt ChatGPT, Alianna!! -- although, if you asked me to name a player in ChatGPt, i couldnt. You were the strongest scum in that game now that i recall

voting Rauth because he took major gmestate heat and i just kind of think he's town

I have read about 45% of this

i only have townreads/leans

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HURT: Copy Pythons proposal

VOTE: Meryln

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Meryln doesnt seem that scummy but I dont thinnk Rauth is scum and Ranger is more likely town

I'm not sure I've developed ever managed to develop a read o n Wheme when reading any game. They're sheeping python which is A-OK in my book though

Sorry Aureal oops lol here I have (if you wanna be complete)

TOWN: Python, Ranger, RR, Abnegation, Aureal, Drew
MAYBE: dragon .. titus .. rauth .. ......... kyoko .. camel .. katy ?
no opinion: everyone else

Feel free to tear apart any particuarly egregious takes, it'll probably help cause its sorta kinda maybe dated

Ranger would totally try to strongarm into the Nightmare as scum. I think sheprobably would as town too though

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Because I think if anyone actually looks at my meta you can lazily say that this is my scum game and I don’t think Ranger is a lazy player

You scumread Ranger because tyhey scumread your meta correctly?

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"They took the time to investigate my history and noticed I tend to lurk more as scum, so obviously they're scum using that fact against me this time around while i town lurk"

Like it's not that I don't believe you but isn't this ridiculous? What are we supposed to be going off of, reverse psychology meta?

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I understand almost nothing about what you're saying

if you lurk as scum and also do it sometimes as town

How are you getting Ranger as scum

no im more likely to lurk as scum but idk if i consider what im doin lurking im just disassociated

And I hate this Wheme push.

Can somebody explain it to me? Is everyone suddenly voting Wheme just because Ranger changed her vote? What's going on?

Merlyn stalled out, then replaced out, Wheme was a nothing slot I was okay taking a chance on, and now that his defense is that Ranger correctly identified his scum meta, but she's scum for doing it lazily... Not super inclined to move back to CSF tbh.

Lurking isn’t my scum meta?

I'm totally lost here

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Ok i kinda see you mean you disagree with Ranger saying your scum meta is to lurk + be scared to post, which you're saying isn't true and also you don't really feel like this is within your "lurk" meta

Sum like that

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So like, Ranger is making an easy fake read on you for being lurk!scum even tho you dont think you lurk as scum and you're not lurking here

This shit's losing me

How do you expect town!Ranger to be reading you exactly though. Like what makes it so unbelievable to you that Ranger is interpreting this as a lurk!game and you as lurk!scum. You say it feels different to ytou than when you play as scum but Ranger says it looks like your scum games, why is it the former

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Morning tweet waa up next for my iso dives and I think they’re town

How'd you decide that

Wheme consistently coming back to play despite being under heavy suspicion could be towny here (in other words, STD saying he would have fizzled out by now sounds intuitively right to me even though I havent played with Wheme much )

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What do u guys not understand about being more likely to lurk as scum but I also do it as town but they are for different reasons. If you guys are sure enough to say you like my vote more now then go back and look at my scum games to see it’s not my meta and ask yourself if you think my posts this game come from someone who’s scared of posting

you said that you were more likely to lurk as scum, but also that lurking isn't your scum meta, which confused me a little.
so then i looked into the ranger stuff. you're scumreading ranger because you think she's trying to lazily meta-read you as scum for lurking, which, as tweet pointed out, you don't think is your scum meta (even though you're more likely to do it as scum?) and you don't think you're doing now. ranger didn't even say why she thought you were in your scum meta, so why assume? you think that you could be perceived as lurking on the surface level and that it would be easy to call you scum for it, but that would be lazy and ranger isn't a lazy player. why, then, do you jump to the conclusion that ranger is doing the lazy thing as scum rather than having other reasons?
hmm. i guess maybe i could see that part of it coming from town who's biased by knowing their own alignment.
but overall, i'm just very, very confused. i try to wrap my head around those posts and i can't. i don't know if that actually means much, but last time i felt this way about a player, they flipped scum, so i'm going with it.
i would, however, like to hear ranger's meta case on you and your defense before the day ends, and i may update my read after that.

So like, Ranger is making an easy fake read on you for being lurk!scum even tho you dont think you lurk as scum and you're not lurking here

This shit's losing me

How do you expect town!Ranger to be reading you exactly though. Like what makes it so unbelievable to you that Ranger is interpreting this as a lurk!game and you as lurk!scum. You say it feels different to ytou than when you play as scum but Ranger says it looks like your scum games, why is it the former

actually, this entire post is just on point.

The internal logic of Whemes Ranger read does not make much sense and has been pointed out a lot, Wheme you're still scumreading only Ranger for the approach they took towards your slot?

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if you compare the quality of posts between my scum game and my town game I put a lot more work into scum posts usually because I care a lot more on how people perceive me.

Guess what your posts this game look like to me.

WhemeStar ironically wrote part of my case for me.

He's right. He

does

put more work into scum posts and cares more how people perceive him.

A large part of my scumread came from noticing he was doing precisely that this game.

If i cared about how people perceived me this game i wouldnt make the posts I did while catching up. I wuold have made similar posts to the ones I make in my scum games

Sort of kinda of the thing I was wondering, Wheme is almost flippantly posting without regard for what has happened in the game

Which is a good way to attract attention and scumreads even though it could arguably be towny if scum!Wheme would lurk out

Python says that town!Wheme hyperposts or something, and that their play this game is out of the ordinary for Wheme -- Wheme says they lurk/don't lurk as scum so I have no idea what their opinion of their self meta is. Still not really sure what is normal for Wheme despite anything i read

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You translate 1726 for me, then. It took three days but I thought I finally got it. Guess not! What the heck does it mean?!

Seems pretty clear.

VC was posted where Merlyn was close to Lim.

Ranger, StD, and Alianna all move off Ranger to Wheme.

Wheme is limbait.

IE, the Wheme push is shit and scum motivated.

Probably all three of these listed are not scum.....but this implicates Merlyn/CSF as scum at the very least.

Now for the love of God, let's lim them and get to the Nightmare so I can work my magic.

Do you have any reason to believe Wheme's attack is scum motivated because of Meryln getting attention, aside from the timing itself

Merlyn's been the main wagon for a good while now. Why would it have taken so long to move if this is the case?

Thank you for this context

why do you scum read ranger wheme?

Because I think if anyone actually looks at my meta you can lazily say that this is my scum game and I don’t think Ranger is a lazy player

This is basically what I wanted to know/ask/have reiterated, very nice.

So if Ranger isn't a lazy player why are you expecting scum!Ranger to take a lazy route? I assume you're saying town!Ranger would research your meta and Scum!Ranger takes the shortcut.

But you're also saying that they looked through your meta to determine this looks like your scum game....

So is Ranger a lazy player or not?

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Spoiler: Rambly rant about camel and CSF

Camel HOW do you have Random Nurse of all people at the top of your readslist

(I'm reading CSF's ISO for Merlyn insight)

And Yes CSF pointed this out and you said it was basically towny vibes and thats it

It's another really good point that Camel has contrarian reads but expresses not much dissatisfaction (Like he had python at bottom but python is consensus TR and as far as I know that hasn't signalled camel to do anything with their reads)

Idk

It seems like Camels reads are very static and unmoving yet simultaneously he doesnt have a lot of reasoning for the top tiers?

CSF also pointed out that your specifically mentioned shifting sheep around in your list so clearly you have an internal system for the reads

But your top tier is Katy/Random and when askied it was town v i b e s

I think Snivy raises an eyebrow for being passive when town wouldnt have been, looks like he's kind making things up. Maybe he just doesnt take much action with his reads but he's clearly involved enough to have a read on every slot yet he's more just sheeping the largest wagon at least from what ive seen

Whemes response to this:

so what im getting is its weird that my reads are consistent and against the town's general beliefs

how the hell would i manage to get a lim on the people i find scummy if no one is willing to condemn them? not exactly the best scumcaser here but i doubt it would work even if i was

"How would I lim them if no one else finds them scummy"

So Camel might actually believe this, and that's why he's not being vocal about, say universal townread Python. But like, shouldn't that show up in your reads somewhere? Yo u're viewing the gamestate significantly differently from everyone else

It's more than just "You need to vote python" or sum i mean you could like, mention things about what you're reading that everyone else isn't?

I feel like there isn't anything backing up what Camel's reading (Rauth!Scum, Wheme!Scum, CTF!Scum, RandomNurse!town, KKFC!town?)

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ohhhhh its over

good job every1 i sleep Ill be here if im needed

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VOTE: Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

Is this OMGUS, or is there an actual reason you're voting me here?

... I'm going to look at something first, I might have an actual reason for this vote. Right now treat it as OMGUS though.

You are a riot mate

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Sorry, I don't think I was clear about what I was asking. Rat already went over that aspect

What I'm curious about is that you say "preferably me but aureal's kindness was a LITERAL scum move)" and clarify that you mean "because at the time I thought kyoko was giving me a chance, but since they were literally scum and that putting me in was some kind of pocket? I called it a literal scum move", but how is that information relevant now? Kyoko has already flipped scum. Whether it was a pocket or not doesn't really matter now because Kyoko is dead and is flipped scum, so it seems pointless to point that out here.

Sorry, I don't think I was clear about what I was asking. Rat already went over that aspect

What I'm curious about is that you say "preferably me but aureal's kindness was a LITERAL scum move)" and clarify that you mean "because at the time I thought kyoko was giving me a chance, but since they were literally scum and that putting me in was some kind of pocket? I called it a literal scum move", but how is that information relevant now? Kyoko has already flipped scum. Whether it was a pocket or not doesn't really matter now because Kyoko is dead and is flipped scum, so it seems pointless to point that out here.

because the pool of the odd ones out (me std and abne) could all be mafia and it wouldn't make sense to put me or abne in the nightmare when we are both in said pool

I maintain we are putting too much weight in the "at least one maf in Kyoko's nightmare pool" hypothesis. But I've definitely put forth more tenuous stuff than that this game so if people believe in it I'll stand back.

On the other hand, 2713 and then it's backtrack in 2716 seem off to me. Maybe it's the wording but isn't the whole point of relevance based on the fact that Kyoko is now dead and role-revealed?

Ircher is getting to the heart of the matter very towny

We're solving off of Kyoko's nightmare proposal, as in she would have likely put one scum in? That's interesting i agree that is being taken too heavily into consideration right now

[Morning Tweet]

Camel's focusing on his interaction with Kyoko a lot. I think that's important

Camel, why do you call it a misfortune that Kyoko put you in her nightmare proposal? More like, why did it strike you so much that Kyoko put you in her nightmare that it seemed relevant for today's nightmare

Nah I think Camel is town though i think thats a real thought process


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I do not think we should try to read off Kyoko's proposal although its kind of tempting....

PROS: Kyoko made the proposal before knowing she'd die (she did the proposal the day b4 while talking to dragon)
CONS: Scum

So i mean it could be useful actually maybe

Looking at it , Doctor Drew, usesPython, Abnegation, Aureal, camelCasedSnivy, Save the Dragons, Radical Rat

I think thats all town excecpt i dont think i have a read on dragons

Dragons also thought Wheme was probably town. Not that it tells me anything

I think Dragons being right and posting indignantly is a good thing (2495) /shrug

I like that for all town or 1 scum ... Camel thought that too, why would it be unfortunate to be in kyoko's pool? because you're being pockited?

......


I kinda get why you'd look at Kyokos proposal Rauth i didnt think it was that far back .

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Flea

I'm usually wrong when I vote Flea but Dragon's convinced me, this time.

I do remember Flea having certain catch up posts that usually go alongside faer game, they're missing. I've never played with Flea!Scum, ergo big money elimination?

[Morning Tweet]

Even then it would still be odd for scum to make a list of town reads and not have any partners on it. Not out of the question, but.

I do this as scum a fair bit. In fact i dont think any scum got into the nightmare last game, at least some sscum had to have been proposing town

But.. yea

[Morning Tweet]

Lol missed everything abt ranger/rr like Dragon but it isssss what it isssss

Ranger whats the point of not revealing? Just curious

im really curious why camelSnivy is sus to people il probably refocus on that later

[Morning Tweet]

Spent lik 15 minutes trying to verify the Drew crumb just to realize that was a Nightmare thread thing

You could say I'm a big contributor to our efforts

STD would totally "Wheme is town you guys r dum" as town (so like indignant posting) Especially after Team mafia lol. I generally dont suspect STD

VOTE: Abnegation you're alive !

Flea wouldn't scum!you have the same number of spoons though, negating the "scum!flea puts in more effort to avoid cheap win" thing?

[Morning Tweet]

I was the backrooms designer last game. Let's just say, you didn't want to get added to that chat (When everyone is added, I won, or something). Of course, that was a different setup

I'm a Medium. :)

Of course, i can bridge the dead with the living a little bit. I haven't done so yet. I'm also a guaranteed unique role

[Morning Tweet]

You can kill me and my role will still work the same. Actually it arguably works better while im dead. Well, as long as I'm sure who is town and they dont die

this is also what i was referring to in my first post (Last game I crumbed my (fake) role in my first post as well but it was inconsequential)

[Morning Tweet]

VOTE: Abnegation you're alive !

wait, is there something wrong with me being alive?

Nah

Mixed you and Aureal up slightly, didn't expect Aureal to die , you hadnt posted in a while

I'm not sure if I'm just wrong about my first impressionso f Ircher

He doesnt seem like he's trying to make bad-faith questions it seemed like he was trying to get into the game ... nothing he asked here seemed unreasonable to me

Based off 1552 there's scum in Abnegation/StD/Snivy

VOTE: StD

I'm not sure I follow. What makes you think that?

It's possible, but it's a weird risk to take.

Is being in the nightmare really that much of an advantage?

How is Kyoko's proposal Day 1 or Day 2 for the nightmare relevant now?

(and so on)

abnegation and Dragon both find Ircher sus at worst I'm null on him catching up. Okay reviewing it looks like it's basically for the vibes nvm

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I think camel is town a lot

[Morning Tweet]

UNVOTE:

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HURT: usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save the Dragons

thats 5 out of 13 alive



Leaves me, Rauth, Dragon, Katy, sheep, camel, Flea, Random/Ircher


HURT: Python's proposal

I would guess camel and Rauth town next


pedit: Quit Kyokos prposal she's probably giggling so hard its still being brought up

[Morning Tweet]

there is one more part of my role that i haven't shared yet. i'm not a regular mason, i'm a masonry traitor. i wasn't in the masonry at the start of the game, but i was aware of who all the masons were and knew they had a 2-shot traitor recruit to find me. that's why i had to be so obvious with the softing lol.
i was recruited n1.

i see i see

What if Abnegation was in Kirigiri's proposal cause she thought Abne was Traitor

That... would make a lot of sense.

it's all coming together?

The only other person I can imagine Drew MIGHT have protected if not You/Kirigiri would be Ranger with the IC claim

Would you like me to ask him? This is why I was focusing on the crumb. But if Drew made it clear during the nightmare, i don't want to open contact between living and dead too soon

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There's probably zero shot that Katy is the third party from last game. Still, the backrooms flavour sounds so sinister. I was planning on spinning it as me being some benefactor, dreaming god entity that applies effects or performs actions on people neighbourized in the hood (Cause I had to roll with the backrooms flavour, since thats the title of the PT)


I couldnt find anything on Marshal but yeah seems like Alien.

I have not successfully sent any because of kkfc role but I also told him I dont care because it seems useless

Did you not get added to the hood? Why did KKFC target you n1 and n2? But the roleblock did go through both times

[Morning Tweet]

We didn’t want kkfc target someone new besides me because there apparently might’ve still been a living traffic analyst and getting added to neighborhood means u come up false positive

Ah scratch my question

[Morning Tweet]

- usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save the Dragons, Katy, DragonEater

are reasonably town then 7/13

Camel is my personal picck probably town



Sheep is a messenger neighbourized/aliened twice by Katy .... I believe him i mean he's probably town


Ircher, Rauth, Flea are all question marks (Although Flea has already hinted)

So bar Katy or someone else having culted halfo f us and we're being deceived into a false sense of security, this looks pretty good

[Morning Tweet]

Your claim is confusing. Can you claim in a more precise manner?

during the day i can pick a dead player to open a chat with at night. Or, I can do the reverse while dead. Can't do it forever though

[Morning Tweet]

Well reverse as in I'm dead. It's still a seance during the night

[Morning Tweet]

Okay, so I'm a three-shot Alarmist.

I hadn't read anything N1, so I just randomly picked Morning Tweet.

N2 I targeted Radical Rat.

Alarmist as in, you prevent culting?

:shifty eyes:

[Morning Tweet]

So long as they are not unique, that part checks out

Bus driver is.. really interesting.. so you weren't related to the redirection abnegation reported. I wouldn't count out multiple bus drivers, why should the multiple redirect roles be different from one another anyway

Although i dont reeally know what type of redirect is most likely. I'm not really sure what scum is doing, I didn't think Aureal was a nightkill targt last night

Switching Random Nurse with RR, why? Its possible i guess
Or redirecting Abneg to RR (i doubt that happened)
or a deflector on Ircher that went to RR (THAT REMINDS ME That was my first guess reading Abnegation saying that!). Totally possible theres an aspect of ircher that redirects something like a role cop's prying ..


Do you really think scum would spend a bus driver or redirect shot actively on RR or Abnegation on N1, but not kill them? it's way more likely it was something passive

[Morning Tweet]

Like if scum suspected something with RR or Abneg or whatever and wished to interfere with them, why are they killing Aureal? I kill the people I can and interfere with people im not sure i can get rid of but like , im gonna come back to finish them or do something right? It kind of seems like scum must've been guessing shooting Aureal which in my mind doesnt jive with using redirection on the first night

(Shattered if scum has unlimited redirection i guess)

Too speculative?

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RIP Cat Scratch taken awqay too soon (Even though I was voting you 90% of d1)

[Morning Tweet]

I am realizing Aureal was a mason (There are more masons than I remembered)

Still, would have thought Aureal is the one they're interfering/investigating/actioning whatever with N1 while killing whoever it was then coming back to her later

Makes no sense to bus drive RR and Ircher with each other as a scum action on N1 then just not do anything else or to force abnegation to target someone. thats a powerful ability used immediately and then they dont even follow up on that

Am I crazy?

Passive redirect makes way more sense. Although im sure there are more options than "Ircher redirects investigatives off himself" (But that makes so much sense)

[Morning Tweet]

- usesPython, Radical Rat, Abnegation, Ranger, Save the Dragons, Katy, DragonEater

are reasonably town then 7/13

Camel is my personal picck probably town



Sheep is a messenger neighbourized/aliened twice by Katy .... I believe him i mean he's probably town


Ircher, Rauth, Flea are all question marks (Although Flea has already hinted)

So bar Katy or someone else having culted halfo f us and we're being deceived into a false sense of security, this looks pretty good

I did?

"actions speak louder than words" or sum ish implied to me you were being quiet because your role speaks for itself

[Morning Tweet]

Is the continuation of your logic here that Ircher left that off his roleclaim because it's basically a scumclaim in a game with this many tony investigatives?

More or less it seems like Ircher having a deflector passive that protects him from things like investigatives would be really intuitive to me as the answer

However I'm sure there are other things it could be.. but a redirect on Abneg or bus drive makes no sense unless scum can just toss those out

[Morning Tweet]

Wouldn't the point of redirecting to someone like a miller just to create pointless results? Assuming the redirection was targetted at all

[Morning Tweet]

I dont really think Katy is a cultist.. he's just the person I'd be least surprised to learn practices those kind of rituals

Rauth's role does sound like one that scum would have, I agree with Ircher on that. Why Rauth would trueclaim it, I'm unsure. Maybe the threat of rolecopping?

[Morning Tweet]

I would probably vote Ircher because I'm not sure there's a cult yet so role could be fake. (Scary thing to say)

I also think theres a reasonable chance the investigation on him fails for a scum motivated reason

Granted Rauth's role is scummy

pedit: Mafia Alarmist.. (i skipped over a lot of the mech talk)

VOTE: Ircher
I believe this power to be scum (if beneficial to town, it is immensely more useful in a non-cult scum's hands to keep key town players from getting culted without overlapping on scum already immune to culting)

I also have a theory about this game after KKFC's claim.... I'm not sure we actually have a cult. Well, either that, or we found the recruiter already.

I agree with the second quote

It'd be highly unusual for mafia to lose members through culting. Cause then the cult knows the entire mafia team from one action and its just generally fucked

The power itself isn't really scum it just seems like the kind of thing scum might fake claim

[Morning Tweet]

If Titus was in the nightmare, why did she attack Python ?

Doctor Drew, Radical Rat, usesPython, Abnegation, sheepsaysmeep, Ranger, Titus (n1 nightmare)


I was going to assume all town from scum not being aware Python was being protected. Which i still kinda do but Titus being in there is a bit odd

What is the certainty that Drew targetted Python? 99%, 90%?

[Morning Tweet]

So it was pretty clear Drew was going to target python just not with what, gotcha

[Morning Tweet]

Well at least we're correct on Ircher

[Morning Tweet]

...so you trust flea more than the role which is basically

only

useful in town hands?

Mildly, yes. My reasons to townread Morning Tweet by play are somewhat stale. The Flea read, less so.

You're somewhat stale

I'll just go ahead and say this but I know Rautherdir lied when he claimed actions, so you should fade him next.

How?

That's for me to know and you to find out later.

bro thinks he's mysterious

let him be *mystical *

[Morning Tweet]

Chess hunting

[Morning Tweet]

We've been in WIFOM/anti-spew territory for Ircher like two IRL days now.

this

WIFOM, yes, but not anti-spew.

What is the purpose of WIFOMing when you're about to die as town, just delaying what we could learn and work with, makes no sense

[Morning Tweet]

i dont think everyone self hammers as scum and its not necessarily helpful to cut discussion short although i would say it usually is

I think Ircher is trying to coordinate some kind of scum on scum strategy with his like, mysterious comments about Rauth or whoever. if thats true he might be using the rest of his time to talk with his scum partner abt who the other scum are and what to do abt them

[Morning Tweet]

That or maybe ircher wants to live (referring to why he doesnt selfhammer), it could be mmultiple things

I am struggling to really justify any lim besides Ircher or maybe Rauth but Rauth could shoot somebodi an exonerate himself so

I suspect its part of irchers role that abnegnation was redirected (Did you see Titus' role, damn!) they seem pretty powerful. Probably owing to the huge mason faction.

Plus, Ircher is hiding things for no perceivable benefit at least from the outside looking in

[Morning Tweet]

HURT: Python's proposal

Pseudo vote Ircher

[Morning Tweet]

I believe scum have figured this out by now so I'll go ahead and say it. My flip would actually prove Morning Tweet and Ranger's claims and make both town, given that both of them claimed the unique modifier before I claimed my role which has the reason for that modifier existing. If Ircher flips with the redirecting component then my night action should be very predictable.

I don't see any reason scum can't have a unique ability. But granted, it does seem like our roles are too powerful or not meant to be outside of town's hands

[Morning Tweet]

I think there's been adequate time to call your shots if you wanted to say where you're aiming

technically we could have someone in PoE hammer but the allure of gambling has already gotten to me

[Morning Tweet]

if i die i die


VOTE: Ircher

[Morning Tweet]

Camel was the cult master?? Thats wild

I thought DragonEater was a mason

[Morning Tweet]

POE just wins the game at this point I think?

Conftown:

• Ranger
  
• Radical Rat
  
• Abnegation
  
• usesPython
  
• Save The Dragons
  
• KatyKimFanClub

Everyone else:

• DragonEater70 (1-shot Neighborizer who faked Mason)
  
• Morning Tweet
  
• Flea the Magician
  
• Rautherdir
  
• sheepsaysmeep

I had a dream last night that NO RESULT.

So that's a guilty, right?

Oh yeah, KKFC targeted DE so that's our unclaimed Publishing TA

How did bro fake mason as neighbourizer

Oh, he was claiminng to be his own thing, not involved with your masonry? Like a loyal neighbourizer or something?

[Morning Tweet]

So Rauth question.

Why were you aiming for cult, not scum?

Cult is scum , camel's in the same PoE either way thers not exactly a lot of targets

[Morning Tweet]

What tactical advantage did masquerading as mason provide, i guess we'll have to see

pedit: Oh right i forgot in addition to the mason thing there's a public outted guilty

[Morning Tweet]

You wanna kill me to speak with a dead cultist?

Oh

WAckkk
Good game

[Morning Tweet]

Lol good thing Drew was town

[Morning Tweet]

hahaha definitely should have seanced Drew or Aureal or CSF

[Morning Tweet]

hearing Aureals reaction to masons acting like DragonEater is a mason and everything is normal wouldve been priceless

or the collective dead chat crying for Irchers head could have been handy