Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

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i think its pro town to get everyone to claim
yet i think we don't need one atm even if we did

coordinating the night actions seems pointless this early still.
but like, this feels like an auto win so i don't know why anyone would just refuse to claim at this point.

scum waffling.

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ok but actually now bye I gotta stop my mafia addiction somewhere.

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Black some free advice:

You are going to do a lot better at finding scum in these games if you focus on the underlying motivation behind the things people do and stop trying to pick at every little inconsistency. Townies are inconsistent as hell all the time.

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Hey Ali, I feel like you're getting angry and maybe should take a thread break for like...a little bit.

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<3

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frequently too much consistency is actually a sign of a mafioso. I actually think alisae probably is more cognizant of staying within a reasonable range of the things they've said before as scum than as town, as town Ali kind of just lets the freak flag fly and says the words they believe in the moment. This feels way more like town ali than scum ali the only thing that pings me slightly lately is how thread controlling they've tried to be.

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something still bugs me about calling them wolves and villages btw. I'm ooooooold schooooool.

Or perhaps just old. Either way I once again failed at going to bed.

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yea im not into it either but i guess thats just the way it is now

you know whats fucked up is I find myself slipping into it myself because its so pervasive.

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I don't know if keeping TSQ alive for me to jailkeep is a good thing. TSQ could then just do all the kills and I'd be none the wiser, and the best case for us is me roleblocking him, which doesn't give us new information.

wut

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I assume furtiveglance just meant theoretically my partner could do the kills but this is a weird typo.

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I...don't understand why you would ever keep me alive tbh?

What is the upside here?

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Why are you more likely to get a JK kill in this world?

Legitimately I do not understand what you're arguing at all.

The only point to keeping my slot alive would be if you thought I had town utility with my role so why am I even alive in this scenario? You just WIFOM yourself and make yourself less likely to JK the correct target because in a world where I'm scum I simply just...don't make the kill? And then you're in the same spot you'd be in if I were dead of hunting for a partner except any time you actually did JK me you'd be wasting your shot.

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Oh, I missed that part, that makes your perspective make way more sense.

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Do we know this for a fact? Noob talk here but I guess a 5 man wolf team is highly unlikely especially with these roles we are seeing. Couldn't there be a third alignment or one player that is aligned to themselves?

there could be a traitor but traitor can't kill.
it can't be SK unless SK hasn't been performing kills or been going for same target as mafia

natural balance for a game of this size would be a team of 4 man scum
it could be 3 team scum and 1 traitor, i doubt it
it could be 4 and a 1 traitor i doubt this more.

Also the one role being overly complex means it is likely not within the normal guidelines or what you would considered something typical for games. Could be something ridiculous, don't know. Don't really care at this second.

Is there a possibility of a Cult here? Is that a thing on MS? If so does it normally work like I'm remembering where the Cult wins if they have majority of the player list?

god I fucking wish.

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I have already given my reads last night and my confirming alisae's flavor is worthless because its already public now.

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Literally black is quoting a post where I give reads. I think those 4 and fb is the PoE.

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No she claimed flavor, just checked.

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Literally black is quoting a post where I give reads. I think those 4 and fb is the PoE.

Yeah bro I just thought you could elaborate, my b. I wanted to give you benefit of the doubt one last time and also maybe get something out of you if you are wolf

lol.

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Alisae is the last stag.

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Which isn't quite the claim but close enough

I am but a humble stag
I escort thee across the hollowlands

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What was CSF's flavors just for funsies?

CSFs whole role PM has been flipped? This feels like busy work.

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I still kind of feel Shea is town but maybe im stupid and just hedging here so i can tell everyone i can read Shea better than anyone. Though if he actually flips scum i can never use that argument in the future. Or at least not without being a dishonest actor. I am putting too much pressure on myself on reading shea right.

No pressure bud. We should just trust Ari and then deal with the consequences after. If you suck at reading Shea then at least he's dead scum right?

I HAVE YET TO READ HIM WRONG BEFORE THIS THOUGH

That's just objectively false.

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That's just objectively false.

What game?

the claim that you read someone right or wrong is generally tinged by confirmation bias. Even in HoD you sussed me some amount of the time. Cutoff points are arbitrary.

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I will say the way you approach me doesnt feel like town shea

To hone in on this because im a hedging motherfucker
It feels like ur approach to me is u decided i was scum and then formulated arguments around it such as 'not doing anything' and 'taking control of gamestate' and other things. I don't feel like its actively trying to sort me. Even in our engagement fights yesterday, it felt like u were trying to use that to 1v1 me and then countered by saying i was trying to 1v1. Then u did things like call me emotionally manipulating u. Which again feels manipulative of trying to get me to actually engage in the fight.

It kind of looks like u wanted to 1v1 fight to either get people to scumread me or everyone to call it a TvT fight. Which idk why you felt the need to do that last part as i think u were townread quite a bit? Maybe u were just trying to look like u were sorting

Idk i have yet to feel like ur trying to sort me this game at all.

Why should I be actively trying to sort you when I have already sorted you and you're not doing anything that changes my mind.

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I reevaluate on new information. What do you think you've done that should make me reevaluate? You have even said yourself that I'm basically correct that you haven't done anything to find scum this game at all.

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How about my role claim for example, ur not evaluating that at all.

I'm basically not doing shit right now at all. Just vibing. Something something dead man walking.

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Nah but I will give you a recipe for slow cooker ziti if you want it.

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Its almost like theres extremely different game circumstances.

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https://buildyourbite.com/easy-crockpot-baked-ziti/

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I think we should elect black our leader and do whatever he says.

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I will tell you what I think about any person in this game honestly as long as black asks me.

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Datisi is among my favorite people on this site. He's super prickly but that is because he's a smoochy woochy sweetheart.

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VOTE: tsq GO SCUM.

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VOTE: tsq GO SCUM.

lol is Datisi even awake right now

idk, but a dudes gotta do what a do what a dudes gotta do.

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<3

This game was like getting punched in the face repeatedly but at least not for a very long period of time.

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is he even hammered?
I feel like that's 7 not 8

redFF, Firebringer, Black, Asri Teroka furtive MT klick me

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unless the last vc is wrong.

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I think we should just talk about anime again

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I think we should just talk about anime again

Which one?
I am sad Eminence in Shadow season finished

I only like one anime

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I think you mean Ari is the cheat code.

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I think you mean Ari is the cheat code.

why didn't cakez act

I think this question is directly asking me to act against my win condition come on I'm not going to give you any info here.

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Datisi being asleep is the worst.

Why couldn't this be one of the normal nights when he's awake until like 5 am for no reason.

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I think you mean Ari is the cheat code.

why didn't cakez act

I think this question is directly asking me to act against my win condition come on I'm not going to give you any info here.

yet you gave me a ziti recipe.
doth does protest too much

also while ur here give all ur hot takes on durarara

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I played ok and got role fucked repeatedly.

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btw the scum team is 6 people.

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two of them are lovers tho

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If furtive shoots himself it will clear the slot tbh

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Fire hide behind me I think that's a good action!

idk dude, i went to ur place last night and it was messy.

rude af tbh.

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I'm down to pick the actions.

I think you should all do nothing and hook up with a cutie of your preferred gender. Unless you are ace in which case you should idk play some xbox or something. If anyone wants to play rocket league with me I'm down.

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I think you should all do nothing and hook up with a cutie of your preferred gender.

I did see this and I am very confused by the thesis of this piece for multiple reasons.

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Clearly the asexuals are to blame for all of our problems, of which underpopulation certainly is one!

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There is definitely at least one wolf on the wagon.

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There is definitely at least one wolf on the wagon.

ya you

What me? I'm town.

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Oh it's actually really nice furtive. Well done.

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guys shea is town cuz he says so he must be telling the truth right!

I'm like enchant if i see a hammer i have to take it even on myself

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It was all unnecessary my night plan is fool proof.

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Boy? I'm probably twice your age LMAO.

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Gimli!

I owe you a poem!

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I used tags!

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No redactions from me

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To be fair I thought town was in an unlosable position and the game was going to be over in roughly 30 seconds.

We literally asked you if we could concede in the scum pt.

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Well no because now I have to write Gimli a poem.

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In the game of Mafia, a hero did rise,
Gimli, the dwarf, with a gleam in his eyes,
His teammates were gone, taken out by surprise,
But Gimli still stood, determined and wise.

With cunning and wit, he played the game well,
Fooling the others with a convincing sell,
He laid out his case, with a confident spell,
And in the end, the town believed him well.

With a scummy award, he was crowned,
Gimli's victory was profound,
A lone wolf, but not unbound,
A master of Mafia, to be renowned.

So let us all cheer for Gimli, the one,
Who played with skill and got the job done,
He proved that in Mafia, even when alone,
Victory is possible, with a heart like stone.

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I didn't think it was completely unwinnable but I wasn't sure if playing out a <2% equity was healthy. I wouldn't mind playing it out unless dats and tsq thought it'd be toxic if I tried though, I was having a lot of fun in this game regardless of how bad our position was

I think that when they limmed MT was when I really started to believe we had a shot.

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you were very enjoyable to play with as well Black

seconded!

this playerlist was so much fun, and I think it's probably rare that a game takes this long to end without some hard flankers or some drama. this one had none of it, it was very enjoyable throughout.

also thanks @ everyone for the props and thanks datisi on the scummy nomination, made me really happy to read it

Second this, I was excited to play with peta for what I think is the first time but unfortunately our tracker went super saiyan and got my ass too soon.

Dope PL.

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You realize you're the mod of the dead thread too right? You could have just blanked my post?

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To be honest I'm not like entirely sure how I'm supposed to engage with the dead thread in a meaningful way without some amount of spoilers. Every thought or opinion I'm going to have is going to be colored by knowing who the scum is.

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ok then stop ur kvetching