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but i said im town-
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whatIn post 38, Botanical Rat wrote: Also, in case anyone else didn't notice... Gimli appears to be hated-
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Btw pls don't recruit me I don't like changing my alignment
I'd like to be in a hood tho I'm never in any hoods-
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Tl will scumread your entrance empatrice-
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VOTE: lich
I don't think saying "I'm town" is LAMIST, it's just normal behaviour
Don't like that you pushed that-
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Okay lich, I think if you're town I'll figure it out in time!-
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hello!In post 81, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
But from my last experience with the lich, he does that kinda stuffIn post 57, Gimli wrote: VOTE: lich
I don't think saying "I'm town" is LAMIST, it's just normal behaviour
Don't like that you pushed that
I thought you'll be more cautious calling him scum for this after that game so you going after lich here is bugging me
you were not town playing with lich, I think lich was sharper and more confidently saying things as a townie, instead of throwing random shade like this. he also backtracked a bit when I pressured him, so I think this makes sense if he is now playing a different alignment.
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enchant very likely town-
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idk what the nightmare mechanic is, is it a vigilante kill?
if people wanna give a good townie vig this thing I'll campaign for it and refer to the last open game that just ended where I was town cannibal and I killed a wolf in n1 and then I targeted the serial killer on n2. it was a hard carry and amazing vig play.
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yeah that was a good post I think. scumreading dragoneater's RVS vote and whatnot, I agree it was a bad vote even for RVS. I think enchant feels engaged and happy with the game in a way that mirrors his town game well. but its early, I'm just strong townreading it atm.In post 185, TemporalLich wrote:
why do you townread enchant?In post 184, Gimli wrote: enchant very likely town
I don't really see how enchant could be towny especially since enchant has no reads other than scumreading dragoneater for voting enchant because enchant self nightmare voted-
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yes I'm hated as per my role. I don't very much enjoy the modguessing that this means I'm town, but I'll take the townreads nonetheless.In post 116, DragonEater70 wrote:
Good point.In post 112, MegAzumarill wrote:
I'd argue that town potentially losing in elo just because a particular member of their faction is alive over the others. (I.e. Gimli just gets autohammered by scum in elo and loses)In post 109, DragonEater70 wrote: HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater
Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.
Although it's also just fairly standard procedure to disable voting manipulation in elo anyway, so doesn't really mean much either way.
May be relevant for gimli to confirm whether or not his role is making him hated or if it's something else.
@Gimli is it your role?-
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I'm here to WK you, kingIn post 130, Enchant wrote: Why i even trying.-
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tentatively townreading kawaii
this game is hard to read atm. I might have other townleans but they're too thin for me to say it rn. I have enchant as almost certainly town and kawaii as vibing towny. aware of everyone else atm, not much in terms of scumreads though.-
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I want you to talk about this RRIn post 201, Botanical Rat wrote: I don't want to place a serious vote until I hear from bianco, but I definitely have one in mind
who you wanna vote?-
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I like the 'i'll wait for my partner' line cause it feels more organic hydra being townies but it's a thin read ofc-
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okay
that enchant vote was bad too
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@dragon: his suspicion of you is good though, so whatever I felt in that post was likely right-
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I mean he has towny suspicion on your slot, the reasoning works. so in retrospect, that hydra post I thought felt towny, even if the reasoning is absolutely flimsy and doesn't objectively work, probably came from town so my feeling must have been right. I agree with you scum would 'wait for partner' too, I just think the way RR engaged the thread about it came from town instead.In post 222, DragonEater70 wrote:
Wdym?In post 220, Gimli wrote: @dragon: his suspicion of you is good though, so whatever I felt in that post was likely right-
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I think DE is behaving well here and I think townreading the thread makes a lot of sense since most players have indeed been towny-
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if everyone is towny that means good scum is playing
lets kill kyoko
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I'm not there yet saying the lurkers are >rand scum, not in this game. I think people are posting the right things. I'm really only townreading you, RR and enchant rn. I'll move my vote later.-
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this is a good looking post and i think drew is a townie for itIn post 302, Doctor Drew wrote: HURT: Gimli, Meg, Botanical
I think I do remember people saying we want the most solvy players to run the nightmare?
To me, at least who I have played with recently, Meg and Gimli would be at the top of my list. As far as the hydra, they both are quality as well....but I figure two heads are better than one in this scenario (it pains me to compliment a hydra lol)-
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you know how hard it is to actually flip me - modifier or not - so I'll take the vote as a >rand town thing?In post 314, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: I actually am going to go ahead and do
VOTE: Gimli
I have a few questions for you:
1 - Is your hated modifier for all phases or just this one
2 - Imagine you were in the nightmare, what invention would you choose and why?
3 - How is your read on temporallich developing
4 - What is your take on how empath voted enchant. What do you think about the interactions surrounding his vote on enchant
5 - Who would you vote to hurt right now? Please write one sentence about each.
We need to verify your alibi, please show us your e-handbook!
1 - I'm hated yeah, I think it's throughout the game;
2 - I'd choose a vigilante kill to shred the POE whenever I get to make a POE;
3 - I think lich is towny;
4 - I think empatrice is kinda towny;
5 - I have no idea? but I like botanical rat as town.-
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I'm pretty sure it works in ELO-
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I understand some of you must be thinking 'well gimli is negative utility for town we can't keep him alive in ELO' and you'd be right
but hated is only part of my role, you know what I'm saying? you should keep me around-
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kyoko do you need me obvtowning the game?-
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some of the questions kyoko made to me are not gonna provide answers that help her figure out my alignment
idk why she'd be suspicious of me being hated? I understand the modguess that this is a town role is too much, but like being suspicious about my role is a bit ????
I'm retracting my idea that her push was a >rand town thing, I think given the questions and the places where the suspicion is allegedly coming from, I think it can be a >rand scum thing instead-
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1 - FN is crap I prefer killing people personally.In post 332, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Who said I'm suspicious of you because you're hated? That question was asked for another reason
I have some follow up questions:
1 - What you think about FN invention. What you think about what was discussed before in game about FN vs Vig as invention?
2 - What changed your mind about lich?
3 - Elaborate on your read on empath if you can. I want you talk a bit about your take on that interaction
4 - why you think botanical rat is town?
2 - I voted lich for one thing, his 'lamist' read. he read me saying 'im town' as literally lamist, and I think that was wild. he kept posting and feels like genuinely solving things so he is alright now.
3 - I will in a bit
4 - I will in a bit-
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I don't need to clarify with the mod if it works in ELO because it's clear from how it's phrased in my role PM that it works throughout the game.-
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you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko
hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?-
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I just skimmed lich and there's a lot of gamesolving content, though this seems wildly different from when he was town in ab:loaf. he seems to be playing more polished competent thoughts, pushing things that look correct. probably just a townie playing well but could be informed scum knowing how to post as scum.
this is the kinds of reads you're gonna get from me this early, kyoko.-
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ah see I didn't know this. I thought it'd just be a neighborizing thing. I guess if it's a cop check ability then it's really good and better than a vig, then.In post 340, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: A friendly neighbor is not a hood. Friendly neighbor targets another slot and they receive a message knowing the one who targetted them is town.-
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also re: lich there was nothing to 'change my mind' from. I didn't like one push he made, it came from a place I didn't understand and it's very different from the types of pushes he was making in ab:loaf anyway, so I don't agree that it's suspicious that I'm doubting his lamist read.
in ab:loaf he literally pushed someone for claiming miller in opening post, then called you and koki scum scum mindset probably scummy with no rhyme or reason, it was kind of all over the place. the lamist comment is a more deliberate well reasoned push, it's much different from ab:loaf behaviour wise.-
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In post 201, Botanical Rat wrote: I don't want to place a serious vote until I hear from bianco, but I definitely have one in mind
my townlean on botanical rat comes more from this. I said how the 'dont wanna place a serious vote until bianco shows up' feels organically like a townie hydra, and I was satisfied with his suspicion of dragoneater and agreed with his reasoning. I agree saying hated = town is jumping too hard on conclusions with no evidence to back it up.In post 206, Botanical Rat wrote:
DragonEater. I think his tone is off, and his assertion that being hated only makes sense as Town is very silly. I think he could potentially be attempting to pocket youIn post 202, Gimli wrote:
I want you to talk about this RRIn post 201, Botanical Rat wrote: I don't want to place a serious vote until I hear from bianco, but I definitely have one in mind
who you wanna vote?
its really thin anyway
are there more slots you want me to talk about?
also I'm townleaning this back and forth with you cause when you're scum you just go 'you'll always be my potato' and other things designed to pocket me-
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I wouldn't say him calling me lamist was random, there was a reasoning there, I just find the reasoning to be quite artificial and could come from scum. if he just called me lamist randomly taht'd look like his town game I think.In post 346, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: posting nonsensical reads like saying me and kokichi are same people and then sticking to it to the point of death was what he did in abloaf.
I'm not sure how he randomly calling a post lamist is worse than that in your mind
I feel like he had been trying to not play like abloaf here actively, but you can still see traces of that somewhat stubborn playstyle still.
Thats why I was thinking you went too easy against him.-
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I'm very active regardless, and I am playing the game. the things kyoko want from me are really hard, cause I don't have good reads to share other than enchant = town for simple meta reasons.
I don't like that you're using that post to push me, DE. even though I'm saying 'you're gonna make me play d1', I don't get how your perception of me is of someone who wasn't playing d1 until now. you were really obvtowning our last game together as well and you just seem different here.-
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just ISO'd DE and am fine with him being a townie in this game actually, I missed a bunch of posts-
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I'm skimming p.13 etc a bit and agree some of my townreads could've been unwarranted and coming from informed places
I do like kyoko calling attention on that so I think she is more likely than not to be a townie.-
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I'm getting town vibes from TL
kyoko you might be clashing styles with him like abloaf
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those aren't reads, he was referencing abloaf game to say we're probably good enough players to be trusted with power roles
but I also kinda liked and townread that post by drew for no reason as well-
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yeah we can kill clone based off that one terribad post-
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DE just expects me to play harder than this since last game we played together I played it pretty hard and was hard TR'ed throughout
I'm just not finding my footing in this game much but I'm starting to come around in townreads and I might have a semi functioning POE in a bit-
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DragonEater70 - town
Nono - didnt post
Clone - idk scum?
Save the Dragons - idk
Botanical Rat (Radical Rat + biancospino) - town?
Gimli - gimli
Ranger - idk
Flea The Magician - idk
KawaiiKame - idk
MegAzumarill - idk
Doctor Drew - town
TemporalLich - town?
Morning Tweet - idk town?
Enchant - town?
Empathice - idk
imaginality - idk
Kyoko Kirigiri - town?
those are my leans they're really not great atm. maybe I'll work in the game throughout the weekend.-
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kyoko's townread on doctor drew is very perceptive, I think this is typical town!kyoko so far, reminds me of haunted village quite a lot.
doctor drew is playing a very different, more organically feeling game than abloaf where he was scum and had these rigid big posts and felt a little awkward throughout. here it feels like playing with doctor drew and not him scum shadow. I think especially the way he is evaluating me makes a lot of sense.
I think enchant is a towny because his posting is sharp, it's not so much about posting a lot of mech talk but having some kind of confidence and swag behind the posts that I think come from town!him.
also posts like these after getting voted:
reminds me a lot of his frustration as a townie in pairs mafia.In post 130, Enchant wrote: Why i even trying.
I think I should probably be townreading TL higher than I am but IDK yet, I'll ISO him this weekend. same goes for MT, I think a good player like MT will def. be able to make all the posts she made, but I've been liking the reasoning behind the posts. I think perhaps only time will tell with that slot.
BR started strong, I think, but not as strong as I felt once I skimmed through their ISO, so I guess my townlean there was a bit unsubstantiated. the push on DE was alright.-
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imaginality's posts are >rand scum. it's an ISO focused on things that townies don't tend to be focused on, like calling someone LAMIST simply for explaining what LAMIST meant (which, considering it came from temporal lich who's a very helpful sort of player, is completely NAI and player dependant thing)
I think that's my only true scumlean atm.
@kyoko there, did some homework for u.-
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VOTE: imaginality-
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DE absolutely on fire this game-
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TL you won't believe me but I was sitting here looking through posts thinking DD kinda feels like a wolf in this game too
I also don't like or agree with very much of what ranger posted and I think for someone that posted so much I'm surprised with how little reason she gave for me to townread her effort.-
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I think ranger's read on enchant comes from a place of superficiality and scumsolving, but I'm yet to really dwelve into everything she posted to lean either way. the meta read was so weak that she didn't even know he was town in the game they played, and was having a strong enough impression of him to have him at the bottom of her reads. I thought that was a little odd, and MT's post about it put in words where my uneasyness with that read was coming from.-
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yes, I understand how you operate, but I think DE's scumcase against DD is about the most solid case we had so far in d1. if that convinced you, that's fine and it's not nonsensical if you do start to scumread him now.In post 450, TemporalLich wrote: changing from a townread to a scumread purely because of a scumcase (that is well founded but basically says that Doctor Drew could be convincing scum) would be a reactive read
pedit: as far as comparison to AB:LoAF goes... I'd say Doctor Drew is less towny in this game than in AB:LoAF... and Doctor Drew was scum in AB:LoAF. I'm guessing Doctor Drew actually being able to pocket me well and convincingly is a major factor in my Doctor Drew townread... but I'm not scumreading for that because that would not sense make-
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I have a towncore of DE, TL, kyoko kirigiri and MT atm.-
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I like porkens-
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I also think flipping ranger works this gameday, with how heavily likely it is that her enchant read is fake scumsolving and not coming from townie places-
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I think its safe to add me and I've done enough to be amongst your townreads.
I'm sending mine in a bit (kyoko, dragon eater, morning tweet, temporal lich) I think it has a very good chance of being all townies in it-
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HURT: kyoko kirigiri, morning tweet, dragoneater, temporal lich, gimli-
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In post 513, DragonEater70 wrote: HURT: Temporal, Kyoko, Tweet, Gimli, Dragon, Empath, Ranger
For now.
I was very important town PR in that game so I was just projecting townie from the beginning. here I'm hated and also I have ways to resolve my slot that can be good. I'm softing here just because it won't matter, I don't think scum wants to kill me in this game given the majority etc elimination aspects of my role, being neg. utility and all.-
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I said resolving myself
it means I go boom boom-
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I'm not saying how that's the surprise-
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