Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

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VOTE: Gimli

QUICKHAMMER THEY TAKE ONE LESS VOTE TO BE ELIMINATED.

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Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST

LAMIST? Lemme get acronyms

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Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

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Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Do you think they are good at solving?

No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.

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I'm really not sure what the point of voting people to run the nightmare really is. Shouldn't we decide who gets the invention and "force" the people in the nightmare to give that person the invention? Following with this thought shouldn't we also decide how these inventions should be used?

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Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Do you think they are good at solving?

No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.

Definitely more than me lol.

But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.

Pre Edit: How much can we force people to use the invention?

Pre Edit2: What non-Radical Rat said

Tone. Largely from their first post but really their entire ISO.

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I'm really not sure what the point of voting people to run the nightmare really is. Shouldn't we decide who gets the invention and "force" the people in the nightmare to give that person the invention? Following with this thought shouldn't we also decide how these inventions should be used?

In an ideal world, you'd be right.

However, in my experience trying to wrangle enough people to agree on this many things within a single day's deadline is an exercise in futility. Either someone not paying attention mucks it up, or we spend too much time squabbling and scramble things at deadline.

We do definitely want the Nightmare to be Town though, so I'd say just vote your townreads for now.

HURT: Botanical Rat, Empathice

Are you saying you townread Rat and me?

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I don't know who thinked that OMGUS is scummy and writed this on wiki (now people parrot this as universal scumread without thinking), but if someone thinks that selfvoting for PR is scummy, then they DESERVE the vote in response.

Wait your vote on Eater was serious?

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Whether or not OMGUS is scummy/useful aside, do you really think OMGUSing someone for what appears, to me, to be a RVS vote is wise?

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You

yourself

said that it could be a RVS vote and now you're saying it's obviously not?

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Which means you thought the possibility of it being a RVS vote was enough to warrant mention. AKA you said it could be a RVS vote.

VOTE: Enchant

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Kyoko might be pocketing Eater.

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Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?

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I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.

92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.

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I dont see any issue with discussing what we gonna choose during day. but we should not discuss who we gonna give the skill to during day. The nightmare group should discuss that over night IMO

Then we need to put scummy players into the nightmare to make use of FN and those same players will help decide how to use the inventions.

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And yeah the only interaction before this post was a bit of fluff and asking me to clarify my townreads. I don't see how this is pocketing.

As to RVS/not RVS - I don't know how other players see it on this site, but in my eyes there's several levels of RVS. I don't feel we've gotten to the point in the game yet where we can be 100% or even 90% certain someone is scum, but we can sorta vote people for semi serious reasons mainly to gauge reactions. I definitely didn't look at Enchant's post and said "okay they are scum", but neither was the vote completely random. It was somewhere in the middle.

UNVOTE: Enchant

yeah that was a good post I think. scumreading dragoneater's RVS vote and whatnot, I agree it was a bad vote even for RVS. I think enchant feels engaged and happy with the game in a way that mirrors his town game well. but its early, I'm just strong townreading it atm.

Apparently it wasn't RVS but can you explain

why

it would be a bad vote for RVS?

you're town because you give off a familiar towny vibe gimli

you're solvey this game and you're solvey in AB:LoAF so yeah, to the nightmare with you

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli

Is there a reason you aren't self voting?

I actually agree that it was a bad RVS vote but since when do you scumread ppl for bad RVS vote? At best Enchant's counter vote is another bad RVS vote.

It WAS a RVS vote?

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empath I can't follow your line of thinking

so you think enchant is scummy cause he voted someone for a possible rvs vote while saying it was a bad vote?

I Thought Enchant was scummy because voting Eater for an obvious RVS vote seems ridiculous to me (Although if Eater RVSed someone who was v:la or such that would be a different story.) and they contradicted themselves. Eater seemingly claiming that their vote was not RVS has given me second thoughts.

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LAMIST for the first post because they saw someone had already answered but still posted their own answer anyhow which is of no pro-town value but which does offer a chance to show people "hey everyone, look, I'm a nice helpful townie".

Scummy because the first rule of RVS is you don't talk about RVS. I mean, it's one thing to not have any actual reads yet but it seems overexplainy to feel the need to justify it like that compared to give an RVSy bullshit scumread which might help spark reactions or progress things in some way.

Taking so long to write such a short post is odd but I don't think it's unlikely at all for someone to post something they've already finished writing without having an agenda.

Botanic Rat's post seems like words for the sake of words. We don't want scum to be in the Nightmare? Well duh.

I also think the concern is slightly overstated because if there's a protective or watcher type role in the nightmare then targeting the invention recipient could backfire on scum. So it's not as clearcut as Rat makes it sound.

We actually would want scummy people in the nightmare if we wanted to make use of FN. Otherwise FN would probably be the best choice.

VOTE: imaginality

And you want us to stay in RVS forever? The only way we can get out of RVS hell is for everyone to have a serious vote, and two players have not posted yet

This is not at all what he was saying.

I am still pretty happy with my nightmare vote, though I will point out that I now legitimately townread Save The Dragons as his newer posts are really towny, especially 234

You didn't already legitimately townread them?

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Not really sure how to parse imaginalities opening here because it feels very forceful and I don't think scum would draw that attention to themselves but also I don't think town has reason to do that.

Reason to do what, exactly?

Empath, what do you mean by the fn bit

Having moderately scummy players is ideal for making use of FN so Rat's comment has value.

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Not really sure how to parse imaginalities opening here because it feels very forceful and I don't think scum would draw that attention to themselves but also I don't think town has reason to do that.

Reason to do what, exactly?

Empath, what do you mean by the fn bit

Having moderately scummy players is ideal for making use of FN so Rat's comment has value.

I mean it feels like making a mountain out of a common occurence (discussing RVS) and making a read purely off of that feels a bit unnatural

I get you said that but you followed it up with that if that wasn't the case then FN is the best option. Do you think FN is just the best option?

I Took it more as they didn't like TL deflecting blame to RVS.

FN is by far the most powerful option but Vig is close behind and doesn't require putting scummier players in the nightmare.

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Also @everyone who tr's Botanical Rat and Doctor Drew: care to explain your TR's? I really don't see them.

Rat had good tone. I Do not townread Doctor Drew but I haven't studied them in depth yet.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I just wanna chime in and say I've also taken note of the vote and felt it was a bit scummy, however I didn't feel it was enough to change my read of Empath. But maybe I could've at least questioned it, looking back.
So I would like to direct a question for Empath:
Why did you vote Enchant?

As I said earlier, your vote on Enchant appeared to be obviously RVS to me and them claiming their vote on you was serious and that your vote was serious when they specifically noted that your vote WAS RVS was incongruent. However it appears your vote was serious and I'm the only one here that can't see it being a serious vote at all?

Enchant did vote you because your vote was bad "even for RVS" (cfr. 96), and thereafter said that he did not believe it to be RVS (cfr. 121, 126). I can see why this could ping Empath, introducing an hypotetical scenario while at the same time explicitly excluding it is a kind of behaviour that I think is more likely to come from scum, at least I know that I [bianco] would be more likely to do that as scum.

Your vote being rvs or not should not matter much for this, so I'm actually more interested in the second thoughts

Them seeing Eater's post as not RVS when Eater's post really wasn't RVS is what caused me to unvote. They properly understood the vote was serious later when questioned but indicated they thought it was RVS earlier. If they were wrong later I would be concerned.

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@imaginality TemporalLich is TWTBAW. In other words, almost certainly town.

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As I said, Enchant is reminding me of Gnosia so if he was town there...

Weird, I just read the first 20 posts of Enchant's ISO on Gnosia and they have a completely different playstyle here. I think if anything, you should conclude that they have the opposite alignment here than they had in Gnosia.

It looks similar to me. A Bunch of mech talk with zero solving.

Gimli's 449 and 451 are a lot better than their previous posts but Gimli is still scummy overall.

@Ranger can you explain why TL moved so much in your readslist earlier?

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Doctor Drew
TemporalLich
Morning Tweet

Gimli
Enchant
imaginality
Flea The Magician

DragonEater70
MegAzumarill

KawaiiKame
Empathice
Save the Dragons
Kyoko Kirigiri

Botanical Rat (Radical Rat + biancospino)
Clone
Ranger

VOTE: Ranger Join me.

HURT: Doctor Drew, TemporalLich, Morning Tweet

If you're voting them for only posting readslists without giving any reasons then maybe look at your your own post.

In other words I want you to explain your Rat and Ranger scumreads.

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thought I had missed something for a minute, im not one to get notifications, anywhere

lets do this

VOTE: Vote: Dr. Drew

still don't trust you especially not with those eyes

Yes, lets.

[Empathice]

Town:

-Kyoko (genuine sounding curiousity)
-Imaginality (good solving and aggressive even if they're wrong)
-Morning Tweet (logic feels pure)

Townlean:

-Eater
-Rat (my strong tonal early townread isn't holding up well in this phase of the game)
-Kawaii
-TemporalLich (TWTBAW)
-STD
-Porkens (calling people scum for things they are doing themselves seems TWTBAW)

Null:

-Meg
-Flea
-Ranger
-Clone

Scumlean:

-Enchant
-Gimli

Scum:

-Doctor Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew

HURT: Kyoko, Imaginality, Morning Tweet, Eater, Rat, Kawaii, TemporalLich, Empathice

[Empathice]

Talking about being hated and self resolving, does that sound like good dream flavor role?

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Porkens's content could be either alignment. Hypocrisy is (sadly) not

inherently

a scumtell. Being disingenuous is (sadly) not a scumtell. Having random takes which largely feel out of touch is not a scumtell. The main reason I feel Porkens is scum is he seems "off". His approach is heavyhanded, forced, and feels entirely artificial.

His content could come from either alignment.
The tone behind it makes me feel it's +scum.

This particular hypocrisy is very open and indicates a lack of self-consciousness that I find to be towny/TWTBAW.

Lumping TemporalLich (one of the most efforting slots in the game who looks plenty town) in with Porkens (whose posts are filled with far less effort and is a main suspect) with the same exact justification (too wolf to be wolf) is a take I can't grasp.

Use the aforementioned "looks like they are solving but aren't solving" scumtell and look at TL. Their reads are the least genuine of anyone in this game. I Still believe they are probably town regardless though.

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There's no actual reason for the huge shift of enchant in #443 by Ranger and that feels like a genuine town realization. Enchant Ranger S/S also works though, but I'd doubt an Ranger!scum, Enchant!town.

HURT: MegA, Porkens, Ranger,

Interested what people think about the possible Imaginality signaling.

Does fake!you have an explanation for their treatment of Ranger?

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but yeah I have a Doctor Drew green check

Is this a hard claim? Do you have a n0 check?

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BTW IM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORNING TWEET AND IM SCARED

Why would you be scared of a neighborhood..?

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but yeah I have a Doctor Drew green check

Is this a hard claim? Do you have a n0 check?

This is a medium claim, I'm claiming only one of my abilities.

and no I don't have a night 0 check.

I Thought you softed STD green very openly d1.

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I Thought you softed STD green very openly d1.

nah... I thought Save The Dragons had towny vibes.

I used my only check on Doctor Drew.

What does #265 mean then?

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I Do think STD's reaction is +town but I'm not sure what's up with that info being posted SOD though.

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anyway,

VOTE: Clone

imaginality's new posts feel towny, especially 846 and 837 though the reaction feels weird to me. I think a town mindset is articulated in those posts.

pedit: okay I guess, but yeah I do think the reaction to the mod post could have come from town somehow

ppedit: 265 was a response to Save The Dragons thinking I was pocketing him.

But you're trying to create reasons to townread STD? I Took that as a soft clear. Even if you don't have a n0 on him it's still

probably

TWTBAW since it's practically a scum claim.

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Isn't it ideal to vig Clone and eliminate someone moderately active?

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I

Really

don't like TL claiming to have used their only shot otherwise they would have resolved themselves during the night. Bleh.

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VOTE: Gimli

HURT: Kawaii, MT, TL, Drew, Rat, Imaginality, Empath

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If I didn't give any explanation for a read it's probably a gut read of their entire play and not an easy thing to explain.

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also note that a "nightmare" mechanic exists as well

generally you'd want people good at solving running the nightmare

pedit: I still don't have enough info to change my RVS vote but Save The Dragons feels towny

Spoiler: STD's posts at this point

Korina really wanted us to know day started that they sent the PM multiple times in case one got lost in the mail

I had a weird dream I was playing weird dream mafia

that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta...

I had a weird dream gimli voted me

I had a weird dream a mod posted

Don't worry I'll recruit you

^ Literally just fluff posting.

I'm too lazy to go back and find them but there were multiple votes by TL that were timed like OMGUS and had shoddy reasonings. But really all of TL's reasonings have felt shoddy.

I Still think this is TWTBAWish even if that was originally an excuse to not push the softed cop. The OMGUS didn't feel hidden at all I don't think.

HURT: Empath

For now to prevent any nightmare hammers. Doctor Drew is scummy so claiming a single shot cop check on them when an ordinary one-shot cop would not say they are one-shot is really really bad.

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924 I actually agree with... and yeah Empathice is more likely scum than not... and yeah 136 is indeed a strange post especially given that Kyoko flipped town

937 just doesn't feel like a town mindset post to me...

VOTE: Empathice

This is you OMGUSing

again

.

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924 I actually agree with... and yeah Empathice is more likely scum than not... and yeah 136 is indeed a strange post especially given that Kyoko flipped town

937 just doesn't feel like a town mindset post to me...

VOTE: Empathice

This is you OMGUSing

again

.

TL is? When did you vote/sr TL?

#937?

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I'm legitimately surprised TL was town.

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I softed a bunch of fake shit cause I wanted to get in the hood and get the vig and shoot mafia

I was just a bodyguard lol

We thought you a PG0 Gimli

Nah I just thought it was a possibility.

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empathice was playing 5D chess with multiverse time travel lol

*Screams and throws random things at the wall*

"Empath was playing 5D chess with time travel"

Riiiiight.

[Empathice]

Your King execution was a double exclamation point brilliant move however.

No it wasn't. Even if it worked out well which it didn't I don't think.