Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Haschel Cedricson]

All Team PTs are unlocked and linked in the opening post.

I appreciate this but you doesn't has to call us Johnson.

[Haschel Cedricson]

HC is posting a bit in our point but has yet to post a real thing in this thread. Interesante.

Yep, I was waiting for people to get the spam bullshit out of their system.

I am a little curious why Fen would jump straight to wanting to challenge, but if he's going where I would go then I'm willing to not press him that.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Buisness is conducting surveys. Fill out this poll or go to space jail.

Are you ready for fun?
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MORE BUISNESS WORK!

I had fun once. It was awful.

Anyway, be back after work.

[Haschel Cedricson]

What the fuck am I coming back to?

With the caveat that I haven't read anything since my last post whoever did the challenge gets a few scumpoints from me. Going back now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

What the fuck am I coming back to?

With the caveat that I haven't read anything since my last post whoever did the challenge gets a few scumpoints from me. Going back now.

hi there I'm the challenge issuer

The presented reasoning in 299 is thin but has an internal consistency so I don't object on the substance yet.

I am left in a spot where I lose my sounding board if Cakez is limmed so I'm not eager to do it. I find neighborhood PTs helpful for my scum hunting. That leaves me with limming Pooky perhaps.

Has Cakez been useful in the neighborhood so far?

Conversely, I would like to ask Cakez about the impression he's gathered of T-Bone from the PT.

Pooky seems town.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Shirou, what's your read on Alisae?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Shirou, what's your read on Alisae?

I've no read on Alisae up to now

Not even a sense from the PT?

[Haschel Cedricson]

as far as I know Alisae is a Don Corleone winner why would I try to read her off two pages in the PT

Why... wouldn't you?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Popularity Contest

It is time for the annual employee team evaluations. Time to get out your pencils and paper as we want feedback on how you think each team has done this year to make Buisness Company the best Company. Now where did those staplers go....

1. Each player will privately submit a ranking list of teams from 1 (high) to 7 (lowest)
   
2. Your ranking list nor if you submitted will be public information
   
3. The winning and losing team will be announced after the event is completed
   
4. The scum team can select a team and both players ballot submission will be revoked. This teams ballot will be announced as revoked
   
5. You must send your submission within 48 hours

Rewards:

Highest Ranked Team

: 500 Currency to Each Player on Team

Lowest Ranked Team

: 200 Currency to Each Player on Team

Can you elaborate on Point 2?

[Haschel Cedricson]

if you don't have holmes as 1 and johnson as 7 you are out of your mind

You doesn't has to call us Johnson. You could call us "Ray".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "Jay".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "Johnny".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "Sonny".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "Junie".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "Ray Jay".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "RJ".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "RJJ".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Or you could call us "RJJ Jr."

Anyway, you doesn't has to call us "Johnson".

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright, Norwegianboy. Let's talk voting for Cakez. Is he still the best elimination of our four options today?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Reading now.

I object to the characterization of me as "absent" considering the game has been open for barely more than 48 hours. Relative to the pace you all have chosen to set? Sure. Objectively? Fuck all y'all.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Alright, through all of this, I think that the player who is the linchpin to all of this is NorwegianboyEE. Immediately after the challenge Cakez gains momentum, and Norwee says that he supposes Cakez is the best choice. He also talks about Pooky seeming town. Then the Pooky read degrades to "idk" with no explanation, and when flatout asked if Cakez is the best choice for today all of a sudden he could probably do Pooky instead and this time it's strong enough to vote for him. Even now, however, it's couched in empathy for Cakez and things like "I'd rather believe it's Pooky". This feels like it's setting up for a Pooky townflip, because when Norwee is wrong, well, it was an emotional call so we can't blame him, right?

Now let's move on to the argument between Shea and Alisae about whether scummy players should challenge each other or not. Shea is 100% in the right here. Giving the scum extra control of the elimination pool is bad. So that's some minor scumpoints for Alisae right there. However, in context Alisae is advocating for an elimination pool that makes it less likely Norwee gets eliminated. I don't like that at all and I think Alisae is somebody to keep an eye on.

As for the pool today, we aren't eliminating Gamma for a whole bunch of reasons. Pooky should also not happen; Pooky has been hella town and the current votes for him don't carry a lot of weight with me - Cakez doesn't have a lot of options, Norwee I think is scum, Enchant gave no reasoning, and furtive seems to be advocating it more for the associatives which honestly at this point I think we would get from Cakez too.

As Gamma pointed out, though, somebody (well, multiple somebodies) are about to get enough money to swap one of the teams out. Let's do that and put the Wolf Pack in there.

Reads list:
Town: Pooky, Shea, Gamma, Enchant
Neutral but positive vibes: Fen
Minimal impression on me: T-Bone, PenguinPower, furtive, Titus
Neutral but negative vibes: Cakez
Scum: Norwee, Alisae, Shirou

[Haschel Cedricson]

what do you think it means if haschel said something, or if he didn't say something?

I guess i feel it's a bit scummy if he is just gonna come in after a long period of inactivity with a long wall before leaving again. But it would make more sense to me if he had an progression or something in PT before doing it.

I acknowledge I'm biased here but this feels like trying to discredit my post without drawing any attention to the substance.

@mod

Are there any rules about copy-pasting posts that we made ourselves from the PTs?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Where does it say the money thing resets our votes?

What do you think will happen when the money is awarded?

[Haschel Cedricson]

@mod Are there any rules about copy-pasting posts that we made ourselves from the PTs?

Please don't quote. Please paraphrase anything in PTs.

Well, I don't want to rewrite two whole paragraphs that I already wrote once so I'm gonna ask ChatAI to paraphrase for me. Here's my answer to Shea's questions earlier:

Gamma is using game mechanics in a way that appears to be pro-town. Despite being frustrated with the timing of the challenge, it is noted that a scum team would have likely been challenged by others already suspected. Additionally, Gamma's suggestion to use minigame money to change the elimination pool does not seem to benefit scum. It is suggested that eliminating Cakez could lead to replacement with players more likely to be scum and not help Cakez survive future challenges.

Shirou's actions and statements are difficult to interpret due to the large amount of information provided. Some examples include not trying to read their partner in the PT, characterizing the challenge as TvT while criticizing T-Bone for not voting, and a progression in thoughts about Cakez from "It can't be Cakez!" to "Maybe I could vote out Cakez even if it would make me look bad if he flipped scum which I don't think he will" which feels unnatural.

[Haschel Cedricson]

1) Team RJJ Jr
2)Holmes under the Hammer
3) Mis-Directors
4) The Wolf Pack
5) Hyperpost Meta
6) Not Cheaters
7) Single Braincell

Alisae, if you want you can swap one team into the challenge. If you bought this right now, what team would you put in?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Furtive team or penguins team

Interesting. Why furtive's team?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Furtive team or penguins team

Interesting. Why furtive's team?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Furtive has just been openwolfing since Titus has replaced in. His posting in regards to Titus since she came in has literally no substance, is just lazy, and most likely comes from a wolf

Can you link an example of such a post?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Furtive has just been openwolfing since Titus has replaced in. His posting in regards to Titus since she came in has literally no substance, is just lazy, and most likely comes from a wolf

Can you link an example of such a post?

Apparently you did this already and I mashed past the preview page.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I don't know why I'm surprised at Titus being scummy when Freedom already made it obvious

What has titus done thats scummy?

VOTE: Cakez
I asked Penguin and yeah, it's weird for Cakez to not make an effort to contribute.

This is hiding disguised as collboration

Making me think Freedom/Cakez S/T so I'd like to wait for Cakez' reappearance

If Cakes is town, furtiveglance moves down.

This

could you unpack why

I already think Cakez is town. So Titus wants to kill Cakez and then say 'wow furtive scummy now'

I feel like there has to be scum in freedom/furtive

looks at Freedom

They got replaced by Titus, who just voted you (to save Pooky)

All of this just looks like wolfposting to me.
Straight up.

Okay. So this looks like wolfposting to you. What about it is wolfposting?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Well maybe not specifically in my face but he has tried to keep titus in the elimination pool and it's in an aggressive/unnatural way that tries to disregard and discredit titus' actions. I'm not a fan and I think it comes from a wolf.

That's weak. Maybe it's something, but I'm skeptical that it's something that merits knocking a player from the top of your townlist to one of the two players you most want out.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Somebody talked about using the message function to force people to burn through their money but I can't remember who or where and searching is not helping. Does anybody else remember?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Well okay, but i don't think swap makes sense now

Elaborate.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I am sceptical that all 4 players are town and wasting swaps d1 is kind of... Waste

Wasting is waste

Then why aren't you doing anything to figure out which of those four is scum, if any? I just looked back at your posts and while you are voting for Pooky you didn't give any reasoning and you haven't mentioned him at all since post 807. SirCakez doesn't get a mention after 1491. You have only addressed T-Bone a single time in 1721, and your last interactions with Gamma were a coinflip to see if you trusted her read and a reply in 1713 that was about a list Gamma posted but nothing about Gamma herself.

[Haschel Cedricson]

No, I'm not particularly interested in giving you time to craft an answer.

Give us something now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I just want to know how you are reconciling not wanting to swap the challenge with your play of not trying to eliminate anybody currently in the challenge.

It shouldn't be a hard question.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Right, but if the odds are that at least one of the players in the challenge is scum, then why aren't you trying to figure out which one or convince other people which one it is?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Cuz i have no idea

That answers the second part of my question but not the first.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Right, but if the odds are that at least one of the players in the challenge is scum, then

why aren't you trying to figure out which one

or convince other people which one it is?

[Haschel Cedricson]

The odds have indeed changed, but not for the same reasons at all. Calling this a Monty Hall scenario is the Grandma-Calling-Every-Console-A-Nintendo of mafia theorycrafting.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Of these options I'd rather

vote: Enchant

.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Why is The Wolf Pack not one of the two teams involved in the challenge?

[Haschel Cedricson]

Shirou, fix that.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Enchant was the best vote in the pool but I think Norwee is not only scum but would flip in a way that would make unravelling the rest of the game easier.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Don’t you wolfread me and Shirou?[/quote]

...Yes, yes I do.

Vote: Alisae

[Haschel Cedricson]

After saying Enchant was the best vote and asking Shirou to switch. If anyone is tempted to say "well he's not keeping up" he knew enough that Shirou has the coins to change the challenge....but didn't know enough that he was scumreading Alisae and possibly Shirou?

Tunnel vision is a bitch, even when the tunnel leads somewhere.

[Haschel Cedricson]

You had Enchant at the top of your town list. So, like I get having tunnel vision for your top scumread. I don't get forgetting your top town read?

Enchant dropped a lot near the end there, as you can see by my interactions near the end of the day and Shea can confirm by my comments in our PT.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Even if he disliked Enchant more from the recent convo it's kinda hard to buy he would dislike him the most out of [Alisae, Shirou, Enchant] so quickly

You're misrepresenting what I said; I said Enchant was the best vote out of [Enchant/Furtive/Cakez/T-Bone]

[Haschel Cedricson]

Even if he disliked Enchant more from the recent convo it's kinda hard to buy he would dislike him the most out of [Alisae, Shirou, Enchant] so quickly

You're misrepresenting what I said; I said Enchant was the best vote out of [Enchant/Furtive/Cakez/T-Bone]

Ummmmmm this is Day 2 dawg

Okay and?

The Enchant vote I was referring to was the one he made over Alisae and Shirou. Which Shirou was pointing out. Ugh I guess they can't be scum together huh

I have never voted for Enchant over Alisae and Shirou.

Eating dinner now; will address some other stuff later.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Hello all, I was going to get caught up and then the site went down for the upgrade and then work yesterday was a shitshow. I am still here trying to get caught up. Shirou, give me a summary of what I have missed please.

[Haschel Cedricson]

Sorry I had to replace out, everyone. Glad I got Norwee/Shirou, didn't see T-Bone.