Election! | GAME OVER

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DECLARE TREASURER

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I pledge to run a clean campaign to become the mayor of this town.

I am asking for your votes in order to improve the beautiful splendor of our neighborhood.

Mafia will be ruthlessly hunted down.

I have a keen sense of SMELL.

You'll never get money from me

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Competition eh

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Graft and favors already

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i promise to townread everyone who votes for me for at least 36 business hours

That's like a year for you isn't it

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Got pookys vote

Next

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What happens if the treasurer is assassinated?

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I'm going to need a security detail

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i mean scum sheriff might also be able to like mess with future results somehow

i don't think we have any information on what scum powers would be

Aren't they listed?

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i guess we don't know what the joats are but

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I don't understand the predecessor language wrt mayor and council member.

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Cakez, pooky or guilty lion?

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I was thinking TvT, maaaybe SvS but not TvS.

Not a waste of time.

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I do want to hear SirCakez talk more than trash.

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the 2 JOATs imo are the most important roles because they determine whether the mafia can take a shot at the sheriff

But not at the deputy.

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We tried that.

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I'm going to not campaign for any power roles.

why

Two reasons. I don’t think I’ll need access to the pr pt to get the information I need to organize things and I’d rather use the chance to develop reads on other people.

what

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I'm going to not campaign for any power roles.

why

Two reasons. I don’t think I’ll need access to the pr pt to get the information I need to organize things and I’d rather use the chance to develop reads on other people.

what

I don’t need to be in the hood.

I’d rather see how other people use the powers and use that to read them than have the power myself.

I’m not sure how that’s unclear.

No I get that. It's the thing about being a PR is going to take a bunch of time. I don't see it that way.

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No I get that. It's the thing about being a PR is going to take a bunch of time. I don't see it that way.

Well that’s good, because that’s not a thing I said. It’s not about how much time being a pr is going to take. It’s that I think the information “cakez tracked lld to x” is going to be more useful to me than “I tracked lld to x”

For some reason I read the word "time" in there as in "I could use that time to solve."

Carry on.

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I'm going to make my reads and scumhunt and run my little trashman campaign and have fun
I am not going to spend emotional labor and the little time I have to play Mafia every day on constant defense of myself this game
If people don't like it, well, deal

I really feel Cakez on this. I have to imagine everyone has experienced this to some extent. Some more than others. It does tone my read down quite a bit.

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ENDORSEMENTS

Treasurer: Herta
Sheriff: Enchant
Mayor: Pooky
Council: actiondan
Trash Collector: SirCakez
Board of Election; blookb0t

Subject to change

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Whether these criticisms are light-hearted or serious - and if they are serious, that says more about the critic than the typeface - doesn’t matter because, however you slice it, Comic Sans isn’t given the time of day.

I wonder what that says about Enchant then.

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DECLARE TREASURER

ENDORSEMENTS

Treasurer: Herta
Sheriff: Enchant
Mayor: Pooky
Council: actiondan
Trash Collector: SirCakez
Board of Election; blookb0t

Subject to change

herta, what made you interested in treasurer and why are you endorsing the people you are endorsing?
short answer is ok

I'm more town than LLD.

It's the Sexy Beast Ticket.

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Who controls the purse strings controls something something something.

I really just want to help people.

All of my endorsees have been thoroughly vetted by me and are proven to my satisfaction to be of the utmost character.

I promise to run for just two terms maximum.

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What I lack in scumhunting I make up for in bribes and kickbacks.

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eh ok that's probably not a useful question

I'm back skimming let's talk about this

i think we should have consensus on who should win each role - if our votes are divided it makes it too easy for scum to just do hidden shenanigans

I've been operating under the assumption that PRs are going to have to out themselves the next day so we can learn results and shit, and because there's no cost to it since we have new elections

so if scum do "hidden shenanigans" and get one of their own elected, why does that really matter? we'll find out who the cop, trash collector, mayor, etc is the next day. you also can't really hide this info because of the PT that gets created, some townie will definitely know

so I don't see what making votes public really serves, like if some seemingly consensus townread loses an election that feels more informative than having everyone post their votes?

idk I'm not necessarily against trying to direct the elections but I also don't really understand what "hidden shenanigans" you're afraid of here

also can't those "shenanigans" happen regardless of if we make our votes public? like nothing's stopping me from saying I'll vote one way and then voting another - the only advantage gained is that the board of elections person could verify if somebody lied in main thread

If we're not going to outing votes in public, why even talk about who we're going to vote for then? I mean we keep track of votes in a regular game for reasons, one of them is to see who votes for who, where alliances/loyalties might lie.

Also isn't it a thing if someone says they're going to vote for or did vote for someone and then it turns out they didn't?

I think that stuff is important.

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I've made my list, and I've already voted. I'll go along with the consensus if there's a mech for changing votes.

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If we're not going to outing votes in public, why even talk about who we're going to vote for then? I mean we keep track of votes in a regular game for reasons, one of them is to see who votes for who, where alliances/loyalties might lie.

Also isn't it a thing if someone says they're going to vote for or did vote for someone and then it turns out they didn't?

I think that stuff is important.

also I get skeevy vibes from this

strikes me like it's meant more to grandstand for towncred rather than direct conversation in a meaningful direction

it might be a personality/playstyle thing, I don't know Herta, but I'm curious to hear if anyone either feels the same or disagrees

@Bingle - alright, I need to backread fully

strikes me like it's meant more to grandstand for towncred rather than direct conversation in a meaningful direction

I agree that it's a pretty nothingburger statement, but I didn't think it was really grandstandy in that I thought it was very obviously nothingburger.

I don't think scum posts that looking for towncred because I don't think anyone thinks that is worth townreading. Its the equivalent of walking into a game and saying "Hey, we should probably use our votes to decide the elimination."

I don't understand this attitude at all. What am I missing?

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I mean why wouldn't we want to track votes if it helps us catch scum? Sure people can lie about who they voted for but the truth comes out in the results, and we have a role that can check up on it.

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I don't understand this attitude at all. What am I missing?

I didn't understand why you told me that votes tell us information, especially in regular mafia set ups. I am aware of that - did you think I was not?

You said "we keep track of votes in a regular game for reasons, one of them is to see who votes for who" - doesn't that statement feel kinda obvious to you?

I'm also having a hard time empathizing with what the intention behind your post was, were you trying to change my mind about posting our ballots? It felt disconnected to me because I was more trying to understand what Pooky was afraid of if we kept ballots secret, I wasn't operating from a stance that there are no benefits to posting our votes. The conversation in my mind was more about evaluating the tradeoffs of consolidating votes or making our votes public, and you jumped in to state benefits of public votes that I wasn't disagreeing with or unaware of.

What I was trying to get across were the parallels of a regular mafia game and this one despite the untypical nature of it. No, I didn't realize that you were fully anti-posting votes. That was not the implication that I gathered from your post. Now that you've explained it, fine. I'd rather not be summarily dismissed without explanation unless it's funny. Or strategic.

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GL nailed my read of aus

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I don't think unowen has done a lot, but I scumread unowen in this game for what looked like a lack of content and he was town in that. I think he improved over time in that game. I don't think his post about GL was bad considering he was asked for that take.

@pooky my reads don't have a massive amount of clarity at this point. if I had a vote it'd probably still be on GL. I think broadly he knows better than what he has posted so far in this game - it would be understandable if he was paranoid of me after the large we played together, but this approach where he's acting like my scum strategy is to avoid giving reads for some reason feels like not an authentic or thought through read. I especially don't like the comment that I am 'defo' scum because again i think he should really know better than that. not a massive fan of AD or meowth either but those reads are still developing and whatever

(to clarify my point about GL, i don't think it's realistic for him to have that level of confidence he claims to have, based on his history with me, the stage of the game and the strength of the read he has)

The tone of these is much better than what I had seen previously from aus.

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He's like super stiff when he plays scum - here he feels very natural and his jokes land pretty fluidly.

Yes he knows this is how I read him cuz I pretty much said it to him last game we played but I don't think he's actually good at replicating his town coolness when he's mafia he tends to be self conscious and jams himself up.

And you were maf that game!

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I found myself busy. I'll try to catch up this evening.

I'm disappointed to lose the treasurer slot but I think LLD will do a fine job. I liked her opening post.

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I wasn't really understanding nono and was kinda scum leaning there.

vla through 26 Feb

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I'm a little bit frustrated that you weren't around to have this out with 2 days ago when the discussion would have been relevant to elections, btw. I understand RL got in the way, just annoying that we couldn't already have this part of the mech shit behind us.

This seems unnecessary.

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Okay I'm prepared to follow LLD down the path.