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Catching up, I very much doubt that Titus says she has a mod confirmed read on someone unless it’s true. I think it’s possible Ranger actually believes what she’s saying but I don’t understand how she can both townread Titus and still think she’s either somehow being misinformed or less than honest?
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I’m torn about these posts. I like CSF’s question to Ranger but I think calling Quiet Owl’s not wanting to rush a wagon, especially one with a mason claim on it - is hella weird.In post 613, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
You don't have to be sold on town!Imaginality, but I don't see why he is the best wagon.In post 592, Ranger wrote:Now answer me this: give a single reason beyond the claim for imaginality to be town.
This feels like virtue signalling. I doubt you don't know what a pressure wagon is.In post 595, Quiet Owl wrote:
THIS ^^^In post 594, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t really have good reasons to call imaginify town but I don’t think the reasons for the votes on him are that good either. Lazy/weak play is rather unimpressive as a reason since it feels like they just got off to a bad start that got capitalized on.
Aside from that a main focus is pushing a 1v1 of me vs. Frogsterking. I don’t really have an issue here except with you buying into that while having me all the way down in your reads. I don’t think you should be calling that a problem except if you think either a) me and Frog are both town or b) I would feel bold enough to go toe-to-toe with Frog as scum here and feel like I could come out relatively unscathed. Clearly you don’t believe a), so what about my play so far suggests b) to be true?
Lastly, the “disingenuous paragraph” may overgeneralize the votes but it captures a lot of what I feel like is wrong with the imaginify wagon. And I think the writing feels towny given how imprecise it is: scum would try to ensure clarity in that paragraph imo.
I guess the one thing that does stick out to me is the use of “noncommittal” as a thing people are calling their okay when that was used to refer to furtive iirc
we don't have a deadline.why are we rushing to eliminate someone when the case on them is this flimsy?
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circus noisesIn post 599, Frogsterking wrote:Based on what I've been taught about "wagonomics"
I think you're unnaturally focused on Frogster's posts. Looking at your ISO, most of your posts are about/to Frogster, and I feel like town would be casting a wider net.In post 601, Ythan wrote:
Everyone read this out loud and hear how ridiculous it sounds.In post 599, Frogsterking wrote:Redirecting attention onto furtive and Ythan reveals the intriguing possibility that the spoiler quotes are scum theater:
CSF please explain how is that “virtue signaling”? We have Titus claiming a mod confirmed mason claim on Imaginality and QC doesn’t want to rush that wagon.
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I just don’t understand why it’s virtue signalling, why can’t it be a genuine take?In post 619, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Because Imaginality is not even close to getting eliminated... I don't think he is even the top wagon. The wagon only feels sticky because many players have not checked in since Titus' claim due to Christmas. I expect the wagon will fall apart once people's activities pick up again.-
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I think it’s extremely clear I believe it’s true. How is that not obvious?In post 620, HighPrincessErinys wrote:Not being super invested in the game on Christmas and focusing on one thing, if anything at all, is reasonable. But CSFiscorrect in the regard that your full ISO is filled with a lot of interactions with Froggy, as well as general fluff. Not a super fan of that fact.
Probably need to give the Titus and imaginality thing a twice over tomorrow but for now this one is willing to follow Ranger's hypothesis on town!Titus and scum!imaginality. Feel like a lot of the "open at start" PT stuff is just splitting hairs though. Also skeptical about the wacky "mod-confirmed" Mason claim on D1.
Do you think it's true or not? You can't seem to make up your mind.In post 617, kitten around wrote:Catching up,I very much doubt that Titus says she has a mod confirmed read on someone unless it’s true.I think it’s possible Ranger actually believes what she’s saying but I don’t understand how she can both townread Titus and still think she’s either somehow being misinformed or less than honest?
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CSF does have a point but for me it’s more so Titus’ claim but noted. Quiet Own why are you voting Ranger if you see no reason to rush the wagons?In post 596, Quiet Owl wrote:y'know what i think the imaginality wagon is downright suspicious.
VOTE: Ranger but also a reminder to future owl: remember cat scratch and lycanfire.
did a votecount: don't take it at face value, i've messed these up in the past.
5 players voting for imaginality (furtiveglance, Ranger, Lycanfire, tris, Elements, HighPrincessErinys)
4 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality)
3 players voting for Ranger (Titus, Gamma Emerald, Quiet Owl)
2 players voting for Elements (Save The Dragons, Cat Scratch Fever)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Not_Mafia)
6 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, Enchant, Morning Tweet, Frogsterking)
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Ranger explain to me how you have Titus so high but not believing her claim? If you strongly townread her and she’s saying Imaginality is mod confirmed town, why aren’t you believing her?In post 830, Ranger wrote:
Because I know how Titus operates intimately and a town Titus being less than honest is explicitly par for the course.In post 617, kitten around wrote:I don’t understand how she can both townread Titus and still think she’s somehow being less than honest?
You're not the first to suggest I'm rushing to eliminate.In post 622, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:literally who is rushing to eliminate besides maybe Ranger (and even then her vote might change)?
Where's the narrative come from?
I'm certainly making a case as to why we shouldn't let imaginality coast on a claim I don't believe is true, but that's far from rushing the day through. My reads will change, especially when given compelling (counter-)arguments.
And, yes, my vote may indeed change.
{Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys, Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking}
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Also mod, please prod Vaxkiller, tapocaphobe and Not_Mafia-
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I think he sounds really frustrated here, so I lean town.In post 822, Enchant wrote:Frogster appeal on activity for some reason make him trustworthy-
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In post 823, Morning Tweet wrote:VOTE: Ythan
I lean the opposite way that McMenno does, I feel like Ythan zeroed in on something thaat wasnt frog's central point. I think frog is using the activity stuff in order to confirm what he already thinks, as opposed to using it to make the reads in the first place.
Granted though that it's a stretch to say "Scum post a lot except when they don't" to confirm both scum that post a lot and don't post a lot LMFAO. Plus I skimmed and Frog and Ythan have been on each other's casesa ll game. I'm talking myself out of this
And that's not even half of itSpoiler: examples
On one hand it makes more sense now that Ythan isn't really directly engaging with Frog, we're kind of past that. On the other it is really hard to find content that isn't Ythan reacting to Frog saying something she finds ridiculous. Which could potentially be an easy way to interact with the game as scum, or potentially she's tunnelled
this interaction with furtive is one of the only interactions that dont involve frog
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It goes on longer but essentially Ythan interpreted 328 as a lot of words meaning nothing, whereas furtive argued that it did mean something, it meant that he was sheeping a townread. no opinion
I don't like Ythan's reaction to being wagoned by ele, I'll leave my vote
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I’ve been trying to stay caught up with this game but explain to me how this is getting votes? This reads like a transparently townie thought process.In post 906, Quiet Owl wrote:post by post frog analysis: (22 out 126 posts read, taking a lunch break, sorry about the lack of readability formatting)
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Owl, I think Owl’s analysis makes sense because I don’t understand many of Frog’s takes. He posted examples of scum making fake claims but none of those claims used the exact expression “mod confirmed”. I’ve never seen a fake claim in any mafia game ever where scum used that specific phrasing.In post 999, Titus wrote:Owl or Frog?
You need to look for those little tells not ignore them, so I don’t understand how Frog is ignoring that. I could see town!Frog being really tunnelled. I also think if he were scum, he’d be less likely to keep changing his vote since scum in general aren’t very adaptable.-
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I don’t understand why thinking it could be multiball is bad? Anything and everything is possible in an Xyzzy game. I’ve seen alignment changes and jesters in some of their past games for example, so I think game being not only bastard but mech complex is quite likely.In post 1008, MathBlade wrote:
I’d be willing to do a Quiet Owl elim. That’s a good point.In post 398, Ranger wrote:
Probably not directly but I'm still familiar with your meta.In post 382, Save The Dragons wrote:what the balls have we even played together ranger
I recognize the sarcasm, but to answer; I will elaborate on any read I'm asked about. (Just don't ask me to do every read all at once, limit of ~5 at a time.)In post 377, Elements wrote:Great! Now you've caught up do you have any reads?
That's simply the product of no three players sharing an identical read strength at the end of any given page. There was one spot where I had all of {tris, Frogsterking, +1} on one tier, there was a time where I had {Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, +1} on one tier, etc. It's just that by the end of the page it had solidified to not quite be three and instead had one be higher or lower than the rest.In post 379, Titus wrote:Ranger's readwall looks determined to avoid rule of 3.
There will be precisely 3 players in a tier when there are precisely 3 players with the same exact strength in read. No sooner, no later.
I think their entrance is disproportionately scum, yes. The callout of multiball feels out of place and potentially TMI. (It's a xyzzy game so I certainly wouldn't be surprised, but entering the gameIn post 388, Frogsterking wrote:Do you think I got schmoozed earlier by quiet owl, ranger?assumingmultiball isn't town.) Calling CSF-Frogsterking SvT or SvS isn't a thought impossible, but the way the thought was handled makes me believe it wasn't a true town thought. They've given no reads beyond just those two, in spite of apparently being caught up on the game.
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I think the detail of that take looks like Owl put a lot of thought and analysis into that post. It didn’t read to me like iioa. Do you disagree with that?In post 1015, Frogsterking wrote:In post 1003, MathBlade wrote:
You okay?In post 1001, Titus wrote:Yes because asking a basic question while resisting the urge to punch a wall somehow makes me townier.
Going to try to catch up while on a break. Might disappear have been having a rough shift.
Math pretending to be empathetic toward Titus is a good sign that Math is lying.In post 1007, MathBlade wrote:
Titus seems stressed by something and tends to be pretty suboptimal when stressed. I don’t see this as scum but based on the fact she claimed it I would go with town panic. I did a similar panic as town a long time ago when myself and my mason buddy were the top two wagons.In post 958, Morning Tweet wrote:
Pretty much. It's easy to point out how thin frog's reads can be sometimes, considering he tries to read the entire game immediately regardless of how much actual content there is. It's less easy to prove he's scum based off of that. I think the most of Owl's post makes frog's thought processes seem illogical but not for any particular purpose.In post 911, Elements wrote:If frog isn't town that all seems very deliberate, almost jestery
this part caught my eye though:In post 906, Quiet Owl wrote:post 145 - "as scum I had a fantastic opportunity to bloat the thread with useless, horrible drama by dragging out a fight with tris over whether or not asking questions is AI for them."
frog is trying to feed people reasons to read him as town here. i do the same thing as scum.
I agree this is scummyIn post 908, imaginality wrote:@Quiet Owl: this comment in frog's post 145 pings me as odd:
"I feel like our conflict may be motivated by paranoia which I think is +town for both of us."
I feel like a townie there would not be saying "+town for both of us" compared with "+town for you". It seems an unnatural way to phrase it and to me makes it feel like frog is more focused on guiding others to read him as town (as with the other comment you noted in the same post) rather than on trying to read others.
This seems more like town behaviour than scum behaviour to me. My reads are more static as scum. I also probably wouldn't spin around to tinfoil after mason claims after previously establishing them as town. It all seems like erratic town thought processing. But I'm not frog sureIn post 910, Lycanfire wrote:I've been waiting for someone else to point it out, but frogster keeps making comments like 'the town needs to stick together' and comes up with town blocs/speaks about the necessity of town blocs (not just one.) Goes from seeing himself as super best friends with Titus to not in the span of 21 posts. I've found the third party read of Ythan cute, but at this point I'm sure this game is multiball.
I just can't fathom why or how scum can claim masons with another player on D1 and expect to get anywhere. So I bin them as town pretty muchIn post 643, HighPrincessErinys wrote:The more this one thinks about it the less likely it thinks Titus's mason claim is real. Their insistence on things like the PT, knowing imaginality's alignment, etc etc are all convincing, but a D1 outing of two masons when one had at most 7 out of 12 votes and has since dropped from that... It's kind of insane, honestly. Really sketched out by this.
It's weird that it happened so quickly but i see town claim their roles with less votes tbh. I don't discount that there's something that feels off I guess. Usually masons are kept a tight secret, so you'd expect like maybe imagine claims by himself -- but Titus claimed for imagine, outting 2 masons at once? Why?
Sounds like a question more likely to be asked by scum.In post 1004, MathBlade wrote:Why do you think there’s two town blocks? That’s rather odd and uncharacteristic of you. Not scummy just unique so I would like to know why.
Seems like white knighting. I find it unlikely kittens actually thinks Owl's analysis is good.In post 1002, kitten around wrote:
Owl, I think Owl’s analysis makes sense because I don’t understand many of Frog’s takes. He posted examples of scum making fake claims but none of those claims used the exact expression “mod confirmed”. I’ve never seen a fake claim in any mafia game ever where scum used that specific phrasing.In post 999, Titus wrote:Owl or Frog?
You need to look for those little tells not ignore them, so I don’t understand how Frog is ignoring that. I could see town!Frog being really tunnelled. I also think if he were scum, he’d be less likely to keep changing his vote since scum in general aren’t very adaptable.-
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I don’t have any clue but if it’s singleball than it’s very different from any past Xyzzy game I’ve spectated.In post 1026, MathBlade wrote:In other words I think if it is multiball then everyone is scum hunting so how we find scum changes.
If it’s not multiball then not scum hunting is a valid call out.
Ironically enough I think if it’s singleball Quiet Owl > rand town or multiball > rand scum.-
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I suppose that’s possible? I did think it made sense as a valid analysis and still do. I suppose it’s possible scum could also have made that post. It just really made sense to me because of what I know about past Xyzzy games.In post 1028, Frogsterking wrote:
You're the only one whose bringing up IIOA, AFAIK. I'm saying Quiet Owl's analysis in 906 is pretty sparse and surface level, to the extent that anyone quick with a mouse and keyboard could write it in 30 seconds upon request, even if they've never played a game of mafia in their life. I think if you were really Town it would be easier for you to recognize this.In post 1023, kitten around wrote:I think the detail of that take looks like Owl put a lot of thought and analysis into that post. It didn’t read to me like iioa. Do you disagree with that?
I'm open to believing you that you're confused about my reaction, I think what could be happening is that you're pretending to view the game how you think a townie would, and you skimmed Owl's post and thought it would be normal townie thing to be persuaded by. It isn't.-
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Xyzzy setups are frequently either bastard or mech complex if not both. They had a jester in one game and a scum recruiter role in another and I think you look like you’re trying to solve but ignoring things like Titus saying “mod confirmed” for example.In post 1036, Frogsterking wrote:
What does this mean?In post 1034, kitten around wrote:It just really made sense to me because of what I know about past Xyzzy games.
But if this game is anything like those other Xyzzy games I spectated, then it explains why I’m so confused so far in this game. I expect that will change once we get some flips.-
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You seem very tunnelled and you’re ignoring really blatant things like Titus saying Imaginality was mod confirmed.In post 1055, Frogsterking wrote:
I'd like to point out confirmation bias ie KT is just saying the same thing they've been repeating all game, whereas kittens is pretending to be persuaded by Quiet Owl's post, hence KT reaction = apathetic townie and kittens = lying. This is also why I think antitown!kittens made the mistake they did, as it may have seemed like a good idea to pretend this way in theory but isn't working out how they thought it would. Now they are scum just stuck here called out in the thread throwing words around randomly hoping they hit the right note.In post 1042, KittyTacky wrote:In post 944, MathBlade wrote:Okay and the reasons for Frogger are…?
Basically I agree with Quiet Owl that Frog is acting weird. Borderline like a jester which makes me stumble for a moment but I think he's just scum trying to lead the game.In post 906, Quiet Owl wrote:post by post frog analysis: (22 out 126 posts read, taking a lunch break, sorry about the lack of readability formatting)
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I am leaning more he just doesn’t like me as a player.In post 1042, KittyTacky wrote:In post 944, MathBlade wrote:Okay and the reasons for Frogger are…?
Basically I agree with Quiet Owl that Frog is acting weird. Borderline like a jester which makes me stumble for a moment but I think he's just scum trying to lead the game.In post 906, Quiet Owl wrote:post by post frog analysis: (22 out 126 posts read, taking a lunch break, sorry about the lack of readability formatting)
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We butted heads hard last game we were in and I pushed scum BGC hard and he pushed scum Pooky hard.
What does this have to do with 906?In post 1045, kitten around wrote:
Xyzzy setups are frequently either bastard or mech complex if not both. They had a jester in one game and a scum recruiter role in another and I think you look like you’re trying to solve but ignoring things like Titus saying “mod confirmed” for example.In post 1036, Frogsterking wrote:
What does this mean?In post 1034, kitten around wrote:It just really made sense to me because of what I know about past Xyzzy games.
But if this game is anything like those other Xyzzy games I spectated, then it explains why I’m so confused so far in this game. I expect that will change once we get some flips.-
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I realize that. I wasn’t just referring to 906. Where have I done any of those things? You’re not baiting me into a fight. But you’re welcome to try. lolIn post 1059, Frogsterking wrote:
Yeah you can scream and wail and gnash your teeth and it doesn't change the fact that you don't really find 906 convincing and you have no way to answer 1055 about how you're caught in the thread and didn't realize Quiet Owl wasn't talking about multiball in 906.In post 1057, kitten around wrote:You seem very tunnelled and you’re ignoring really blatant things like Titus saying Imaginality was mod confirmed.-
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I don’t have a full list yet but rnIn post 1067, Frogsterking wrote:Kittens go ahead and post a reads list whenever your ready.
my strongest town reads are on the mason claims, STD, MT.
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I understand that but it’s not from a lack of trying. Some games I don’t have reads until we get flips or as late as d3, so none of that makes me scum here.In post 1081, Frogsterking wrote:
Yeah it makes it look like you haven't been solving. If you continue to expand with more reads from what you have here then that would be helpful at least.In post 1074, kitten around wrote:
I don’t have a full list yet but rnIn post 1067, Frogsterking wrote:Kittens go ahead and post a reads list whenever your ready.
my strongest town reads are on the mason claims, STD, MT.
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Two of them are no posters, there’s nothing to read. Ythan Idk, she sounded really tilted but I have no experience playing with her, so I agree with CSF that it would be wise to wait for a replacement.In post 1092, MathBlade wrote:
Not to be that guy, but does anyone TR these slots?In post 1079, Quiet Owl wrote:
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I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.In post 1293, Gimli wrote:
I just replaced in, gamma. give me time <3In post 1282, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Thanks for this igIn post 1273, Gimli wrote:gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show
I’m just a little frustrated that you and Ranger are circlejerking rn, it really kills my faith in anything of value happening this game.-
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Then no MacBook for youIn post 1292, Elements wrote:I don't want and apple macbook, I already have meat
What does any of this have to do with the game? xDIn post 1295, Elements wrote:that's fine, I 've already expressed my lack of interest in an apple macbook-
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Well it’s likely resolvable anyway sooner or later.In post 1301, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Well, of course she'd insist on it, if she dropped the claim she'd be a liar. The mod confirmed thing is the important part and even then it's hard to judge how important it really actually is, in this one's opinion? It doesn't really put a fakeclaim outside of the realm of possibility. In general taking Titus's claim at face value SEEMS fine and dandy but the circumstances around it always put this one off of believing it.In post 1296, kitten around wrote:
I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.In post 1293, Gimli wrote:
I just replaced in, gamma. give me time <3In post 1282, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Thanks for this igIn post 1273, Gimli wrote:gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show
I’m just a little frustrated that you and Ranger are circlejerking rn, it really kills my faith in anything of value happening this game.-
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Why would imaginality be killed over Titus?In post 1306, MathBlade wrote:
Titus exaggerates either way. What’s odd is that Titus and imaginality weren’t killed.In post 1301, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Well, of course she'd insist on it, if she dropped the claim she'd be a liar. The mod confirmed thing is the important part and even then it's hard to judge how important it really actually is, in this one's opinion? It doesn't really put a fakeclaim outside of the realm of possibility. In general taking Titus's claim at face value SEEMS fine and dandy but the circumstances around it always put this one off of believing it.In post 1296, kitten around wrote:
I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.In post 1293, Gimli wrote:
I just replaced in, gamma. give me time <3In post 1282, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Thanks for this igIn post 1273, Gimli wrote:gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show
I’m just a little frustrated that you and Ranger are circlejerking rn, it really kills my faith in anything of value happening this game.
Makes me think socially that Titus/imagine/Ranger are all good
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Korina’s a co-mod dude.In post 1312, Gimli wrote:
Gimli 21In post 1310, MathBlade wrote:That.
I want to elim someone dodging the game if we can.
I think majority of posters are town. Can someone check activity? I am on my phone on one of the few breaks I will have.
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Because Titus has been the townier of the two, so you would think it probably would make more sense for scum to kill her before Imaginality. wouldn’t you?In post 1313, MathBlade wrote:
Confusion?In post 1311, kitten around wrote:
Why would imaginality be killed over Titus?In post 1306, MathBlade wrote:
Titus exaggerates either way. What’s odd is that Titus and imaginality weren’t killed.In post 1301, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Well, of course she'd insist on it, if she dropped the claim she'd be a liar. The mod confirmed thing is the important part and even then it's hard to judge how important it really actually is, in this one's opinion? It doesn't really put a fakeclaim outside of the realm of possibility. In general taking Titus's claim at face value SEEMS fine and dandy but the circumstances around it always put this one off of believing it.In post 1296, kitten around wrote:
I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.In post 1293, Gimli wrote:
I just replaced in, gamma. give me time <3In post 1282, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Thanks for this igIn post 1273, Gimli wrote:gamma I also like doctor who, I think it's a good show
I’m just a little frustrated that you and Ranger are circlejerking rn, it really kills my faith in anything of value happening this game.
Makes me think socially that Titus/imagine/Ranger are all good
Mechanically though I have to doubt.
Not sure why you’re asking that?
I can think of reasons if Titus + imagine are town but I am not in the interest of that in a game like this. If scum kill there that’s their problem not mine.-
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I don’t understand, I thought you said he was mod confirmed to be town?In post 1429, Titus wrote:
Because if imaginality flips scum, I die too.In post 1425, Prince of Paterson wrote:
"mod confirmed" is just as easy to lie about as any other fakeclaim. This makes no sense. Why have multiple people said this?In post 1296, kitten around wrote:I think this looks tvt to me. I also believe Titus’ mason claim and I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.-
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Whichever one is scum here definitely doesn’t want a 1v1 with me but I’ll more than happily engage with it to take out scum. Try me.In post 1688, kitten around wrote:CSF probably just wrong, one of Prince/Math scum.-
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Let’s hope you’re about that.In post 1727, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In post 1688, kitten around wrote:CSF probably just wrong, one of Prince/Math scum.
Why is one of Prince/Math scum? Do you think you've been town enough such that they shouldn't be voting you?In post 1689, kitten around wrote:
Whichever one is scum here definitely doesn’t want a 1v1 with me but I’ll more than happily engage with it to take out scum. Try me.In post 1688, kitten around wrote:CSF probably just wrong, one of Prince/Math scum.
Also I think they're both town.-
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I think you’re lycan making things up. When did I ever do anything like that? I’m sorry I haven’t been feeling particularly well but that doesn’t.ake mmscuem
CSF and ANYONE for that matter, Please explain to me why I’m scum?
Gimli, why aren’t you thinking for yourself? Was I wrong to believe in the mason claim and is that why I’m being wrongly scumread here? I am town and will prove it but that’s not up to me unfortunately.-
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Gamma hardtown read me and so should CSF because I did obvtown it in the hood. Yes I’m in that now locked neighborhood. The mod thought I was trolling when I asked them why it was locked. lolIn post 1808, Lycanfire wrote:At the risk of sounding like Gamma Emerald sounding out every obvious role subtlety
Somebody (probably Ranger just by post volume) said they had a theory about Titus' role wording. The theory is that Titus may be a neighbour with alignment confirmation is because there's potential for alignment changes in this game right? Otherwise, calling someone a mason is very bastard if they could be converted (the nice bastard way of handling this would have any alignment changes fail on a mason IMO).
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I don’t want to out people, they can defend me if they so choose.In post 1811, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:What did you do in the hood that I should be townreading?
And I don’t see why any of the examples you gave are ai in the slightest? What exactly is your issue with anything I said? I totally stand by what I said and won’t change anything to avoid a mislim.
I actually am starting to have doubts on you but scum traditionally are usually not the ones who start wagons but the opportunistic ones that sheep and I think one of Prince, McMenno, Lycan is scum on my wagon and I’m not going down without a fight and just allow the mislim to happen, I’d rather vote one of them over QO because I’m not convinced they’re scum.
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That last part I actually understand but you’d be very wrong about that. I can’t explain my reasoning yet, just trust I’m not an idiot or scum here, just because I haven’t done a better job of explaining it. I realize I haven’t really done much in the main thread to obvtown yet but the fact that it hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t make me scum. I think you’re posting in general looks good as does Gimli’s but let’s face facts, I’m a really easy mislim and after my flip if it happens, you need to look at those three slots please? I obviously don’t want to be mislimmed but what really would be infuriating is if you don’t take a look at those three after I flip. If my mislim is inevitable, I at least don’t want to die in vain.In post 1812, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I'm scumreading you for reasons outlined below:
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This is awesome. I’m basically getting run up because I apparently had an unpopular reaad but what seriously astounds me is that I keep being dismissed for saying what practically every fibre of my being is screaming: that there 100% is scum on my wagon. I’m not wrong but it’s insane that I’m getting scumread for speaking the truth. How aren’t people seeing that I’m ridiculously easy mislimbait? Meanwhile people voting me apparently are willing to give the people who piled on to Frog, immunity or something. I didn’t vote Frog, you’d think that should account for something but never underestimate deep wolves and dumb town. Neither ever disappoints and we will probably lose because people are so stupidly blind to that.
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In post 1434, xyzzy wrote:In post 1622, xyzzy wrote:my roommate and I finished the anime Bochhi the Rock tonight. it's pretty good. it's one of those shows where all the characters are just kinda generically cute with similar facial structures, but hey, sometimes that's just what you're gonna get watching an anime. speaking of, I joined the #anime slack channel in my new job today. we'll see if there are any exciting developments there!
4 players voting for McMenno (Elements, furtiveglance, imaginality, Titus)
3 players voting for imaginality (Prince of Paterson, UltimateGamer, Ranger)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Titus (KittyTacky)
1 player voting for Quiet Owl (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 player voting for HighPrincessErinys (Gimli)
1 player voting for Not_Mafia (Enchant)
7 players not voting (McMenno, Lycanfire, Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, kitten around, MathBlade, HighPrincessErinys)
with 20 votes, it takes 11 to eliminate.
mod notes:
Just look at these VCs. People weren’t even voting me and suddenly I became a compromise wqgon, Why isn’t anyone using three braincells and realizing something very suspicious happened here?In post 1758, xyzzy wrote:When he died (On a dark and stormy night)
A nearby shed caught fire (It simply caught alight)
And when they cleared the charred wood from the ground
Inside they found a painting of a clown (A creepy painting of a clown)
He'd painted it when he was just a child
But scrawled upon the back was exactly when he died
4 players voting for McMenno (furtiveglance, imaginality, Titus, HighPrincessErinys)
3 players voting for kitten around (Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Prince of Paterson)
2 players voting for imaginality (UltimateGamer, Ranger)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Enchant (Elements)
1 player voting for Titus (KittyTacky)
1 player voting for Cat Scratch Fever (Enchant)
1 player voting for HighPrincessErinys (Gimli)
5 players not voting (McMenno, Lycanfire, Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, kitten around)
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In post 1144, Frogsterking wrote:In post 1142, Enchant wrote:Btw i am also powerful town role. Please all protectives on me.
No proofs.
I knew you were here and only protectives with multitargetting can be on you. *ghosts away*In post 1140, Frogsterking wrote:while my read on Enchant is both based and based on similarity to their scumgame in TfT.In post 1140, Frogsterking wrote:I'll break my silence to say I am a TPR with big swing for Town and if a rolestopper is available then I request they visit me tonight because it is important that I get my shots off at night. I feel okay soft claiming because:
1) it's immediately obvious that I am a TPR due to how I am approaching the game, especially to scum, therefore
2) scum may opt to roleblock me if available, in order to waste more of town's time tinfoiling my slot
3) I have finally identified a solid N1 target for my ability, and a roleblocker may not have realized that I require their assistance
4) While I was away I created a new list of D1 candidates for D1 lim (who I am suggesting because my impression is that guidance is required on slots who actually make sense to vote D1:)
Furtive/kittens/George/Enchant
George, furtive, and kittens are all scummy based on simple tells which are easy to spot, while my read on Enchant is both based and based on similarity to their scumgame in TfT. Quiet Owl and MathBlade I swapped out because they are generating more associative tells with other players, commenting on a wider variety of things and in my experience I don't think they are as likely to flip scum as Enchant or George are.
I'm still intending to ghost the thread until Friday night, and after that, I may ghost the thread again for a couple days. Unless anything important happens then I'll mainly just be posting a reads list and maybe my meta case on Gamma. I'm somewhat apathetic who gets voted out as long as it's one of those four. I'd rather other people discuss and choose so the discussion can be read D2. Opportunity to policy lim Mathblade revoked, and I'm switching my vote to furtive because I have a slight preference for that slot over the others:
VOTE: furtiveglanceIn post 1141, Enchant wrote:In post 1140, Frogsterking wrote:I'll break my silence to say I am a TPR with big swing for Town and if a rolestopper is available then I request they visit me tonight because it is important that I get my shots off at night. I feel okay soft claiming because:
1) it's immediately obvious that I am a TPR due to how I am approaching the game, especially to scum, therefore
2) scum may opt to roleblock me if available, in order to waste more of town's time tinfoiling my slot
3) I have finally identified a solid N1 target for my ability, and a roleblocker may not have realized that I require their assistance
4) While I was away I created a new list of D1 candidates for D1 lim (who I am suggesting because my impression is that guidance is required on slots who actually make sense to vote D1:)
Furtive/kittens/George/Enchant
George, furtive, and kittens are all scummy based on simple tells which are easy to spot, while my read on Enchant is both based and based on similarity to their scumgame in TfT. Quiet Owl and MathBlade I swapped out because they are generating more associative tells with other players, commenting on a wider variety of things and in my experience I don't think they are as likely to flip scum as Enchant or George are.
I'm still intending to ghost the thread until Friday night, and after that, I may ghost the thread again for a couple days. Unless anything important happens then I'll mainly just be posting a reads list and maybe my meta case on Gamma. I'm somewhat apathetic who gets voted out as long as it's one of those four. I'd rather other people discuss and choose so the discussion can be read D2. Opportunity to policy lim Mathblade revoked, and I'm switching my vote to furtive because I have a slight preference for that slot over the others:
VOTE: furtiveglance
VOTE: Frog
These votes happened right after Frog claimed tpr.In post 1145, Quiet Owl wrote:.............................................
yes i too am most powerful wizard i am very trustworthy yes yes.
the above is sarcasm.
either this ends the game, or this ends the day and we have a 50/50 chance of catching scum. i am tired and in a gambling mood. VOTE: Frogsterking
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Generally the smart thing to do is to look at the wagons but I lost confidence in people being smart here.In post 1169, xyzzy wrote:rolling around at the speed of sound
12 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance, Lycanfire, Elements, Enchant, Quiet Owl, Not_Mafia, Gamma Emerald)
3 players voting for Ythan (Save The Dragons, Morning Tweet, HighPrincessErinys)
2 players voting for furtiveglance (Cat Scratch Fever, Frogsterking)
1 player voting for Ranger (GeorgeBailey)
1 player voting for Quiet Owl (Ranger)
4 players not voting (Vaxkiller, tapiocaphobe, kitten around, MathBlade)
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Gamma was in the hood and I thought she looked townier there but I didn’t want to out the hood at that time because my Gamma townread was based on posts she made in the hood but I would have had she been in actual danger and CSF knows that too and is still voting me.In post 1831, Gimli wrote:
is gamma still playing? I want to know of gamma and whoever else has meta with ythan if her d1 matches her scumgame.In post 828, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Ythan
I don’t really townread her like I did before, in fact she feels similar to one of her scum games rn-
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That’s totally fair. I was a replacement slot and GE’s specifically and we had a scumflip the first day I replaced in, so that definitely helped me with reads on the following day but in this case I’m really trying but beyond looking at the Frog and my wagons and a lot more people, this game really isn’t comparable to that one. I’m terrible at larges and often have trouble making reads before a scumflip. For some reason, that’s not usually a problem when the playerlist is smaller.In post 1830, Gimli wrote:
I think this is multiball, and as a result I'm not capable of scumhunting like a normal game, which is why I'm trying to weigh in the thoughts of other people that I think are towny. just trying to help, you know. but I am thinking for myself. you looked much much townier in that other game people linked here, which is why yesterday I voted you. today I'm uninterested in flipping you, but I'm not really sure where to go.In post 1809, kitten around wrote: Gimli, why aren’t you thinking for yourself? Was I wrong to believe in the mason claim and is that why I’m being wrongly scumread here? I am town and will prove it but that’s not up to me unfortunately.-
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If you think UG is scum and may be pocketing me, why are you voting me?In post 1920, Titus wrote:Ok. I feel Ultimate is lock scum. I'm too tired and have too much driving to really hard case them. However, I do feel their ISO is either pocketing but most likely partners with kitten.
1887 was so bad it stopped my drunken wagon analysis. Considering that UltimateGamer ignored a bazooka, it's time to explode that mortar honey.
UltimateGamer talks to QuietOwl as if QuietOwl is exclusively town, but they're voting for QuietOwl. UltimateGamer has pingponged so often without a reason, you'd think that ball was in a wind turbine. The fact that ball doesn't even bounce to QuietOwl being scum ain't usually how people talk to each other.
Then there's UltimateGamer reaction to kitten around. UltimateGamer's first mention of kitten was that he was ok with the kitten wagon. Yet, as the kitten wagon gains steam, he defends it with nebulous reasoning and says we need a lim.....so he goes for a random ass wagon on a lurker....
If his lurker wagon went through, it'd have to go faster than McMenno's. UltimateGamer objected because it went too fast.
UltimateGamer has one agenda. Saving Kitten but not having it be an albatross on his neck.
VOTE: kitten around
I know I just cased UltimateGamer. That's who I want dead, but I don't think I'm getting that so I'll settle.
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I’m assuming it’s either because I defended QA or because I misunderstood Titus’ claim but I know at least one person posited me as buddies with them and Titus is voting me for apparently being a UG buddy now? lol. I’m extremely fascinated how people are even coming up with these wild takes.In post 1851, Prince of Paterson wrote:
Clarify which unpopular read of yours is the reason why you're getting run up, please.In post 1822, kitten around wrote:This is awesome. I’m basically getting run up because I apparently had an unpopular reaad-
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As I already told to Gimli, fair enough but I didn’t have any confident scumreads but now I do and it thinks it’s extremely naive to think there’s not at least one scum voting me and rn, McMenno is my best guess for that.In post 1963, Prince of Paterson wrote:
Do you have any posts you can quote that explain the origin of your belief that the primary reason for you getting run up was that you had an unpopular read? Where did this idea come from? My understanding of the primary reason for why you were getting run up was that you weren't scumhunting and didn't have a town mindset and it had nothing to do with any unpopular reads.In post 1962, kitten around wrote:
I’m assuming it’s either because I defended QA or because I misunderstood Titus’ claim but I know at least one person posited me as buddies with them and Titus is voting me for apparently being a UG buddy now? lol. I’m extremely fascinated how people are even coming up with these wild takes.In post 1851, Prince of Paterson wrote:
Clarify which unpopular read of yours is the reason why you're getting run up, please.In post 1822, kitten around wrote:This is awesome. I’m basically getting run up because I apparently had an unpopular reaad
I would like to know what made you believe otherwise, because for someone who believes strongly that there is scum pushing your wagon, it doesn't feel like you have made any real attempts to even understand why people are voting you. That to me seems like it would be a prerequisite to determining who is pushing you maliciously.
Treating all of the suspicion as an undifferentiated block, being unsure who has what reasons, and being unsure what the reasons even are, seems more likely to be a result of scum knowing that the push is all coming from town. In the eyes of the mafia, town are all the same and the details of the reasons don't matter because the result is correct. Believing strongly that there is scum on the wagon but still treating the people on the wagon as interchangeable is at best negligent from town, but much more likely to be a result of viewing the game from a scum perspective.-
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I’m still really confused about all that.In post 1965, biancospino wrote:
On the meat thing, and correct me if it's wrong, isn't it that Math was a multitasking FV one-shot MeatVendor (and also VegetableVendor) that vended meat to Titus, but instead the meat got to Elements so we suspect a driver of some sort?In post 1959, furtiveglance wrote:
I'm realising I don't myself know the full claims. What was that meat thing? I asked but no one answeredIn post 1958, Gimli wrote:I want a tldr-
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So you’re claiming some negative utility after death?In post 1971, biancospino wrote:And I vaguely remember there being another post where she reiterated, but I can't find it.
Now, this post puts me in a very bad position. Mostly because I don't really understand why she made it; I've still not caught up with the hood PT, but my hopes of finding enligthment there are slim. I will however say that I fully believe that there is some nasty hidden elements to my role, I have strong reasons to, and I suspect my predecessor did too. In any case, just in case someone was still ruminating on Gamma's bizarre soft there, the word elimination (nor equivalents thereof) does not appear anywhere in my PM, and the thing that my role can trigger will trigger on my death however that will be.-
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Alright, I’m really confused then. Bianco has a negative ability after death and Titus is an sb?In post 1973, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Titus has said she's pretty much going for it regardless, so of course the expectation is that she'll, true to her word, blow someone up and explode in turn. If she survives, that raises questions of how and why. It's not about if using or not using it is scummy.In post 1934, KittyTacky wrote:
Why is it so scummy for a Self-oof Bomber to not use their power? Nobody answered me last time I pointed that out. Unless scum gets outed that day it's -town to use it.In post 1800, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
VOTE: Quiet OwlIn post 1767, HighPrincessErinys wrote:This one currently refuses to vote on imaginality or Titus but it's willing to do Owl.
It guesses...? But like, it feels like a really really weird claim to make as SK. Being alive after N4 would seriously jeopardize both her own survival and the survival of her hypothetical SK duo partner imaginality. It's a house of cards-level gambit where if anything goes wrong before N4, they're both as good as dead, and if she lives come D5, there will be a very large amount of scrutiny against her and imaginality that cannot easily be brushed off as "Oh yeah, I must've been doc'd." without literally outing a doctor which could be Pretty Bad depending on the situation. It's just way too risky for any kind of scum duo to do. Hell, it's risky even as town because mafia could have who knows what tools to frame her for being suspiciously alive and then gets dogpiled. Of course you can call this something along the lines of arguing "too scum to be scum" but in general this one is rather confident that this play is much more town than it is scum.In post 1786, Ranger wrote:
I am not arguing that's a real power a serial killer has.In post 1784, Titus wrote:In the meanwhile, I want Ranger's yoga instructor. Arguing an unalive bomber is a serial killer is so stretching Ranger might as well be Mrs. Fantastic.
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Fine but I bet the game I’m not wrong.In post 1977, Prince of Paterson wrote:
Reasoning behind McMenno? I don't think believing that there is at least one scum voting you qualifies as a confident scumread because again, it doesn't appear that you have read or understood the reasons why people are voting you. In order to determine who is scum voting you, it would be prudent of you to investigate on that subject. Your lack of interest in doing so is suspicious to me.In post 1967, kitten around wrote:As I already told to Gimli, fair enough but I didn’t have any confident scumreads but now I do and it thinks it’s extremely naive to think there’s not at least one scum voting me and rn, McMenno is my best guess for that.-
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Have you read their posts? I don’t understand how you’re even comparing the two?In post 1987, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Hard to argue against a Not_Mafia wagon, but it's a redux of the McMenno wagon. Feels like random guessing
McMenno I mean.
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