Xyl's Relative Chaos - Game over!
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Initial Thoughts: I personally think the original votecount was just random and a way to start conversation. A good one at that.
MafiaSSK: Usual lurkish playstyle. Has a few OK questions for other players, but they are more fluff than actual questioning IMO. This post stuck out to me:
argh does that bother me. basically, he looks at the biggest wagon and decides to analyze just that person because others think he is suspicious. not once did he express any suspicion of tubby previously. SSK, do you think tubby is suspicious yourself, and why? what do you think about other players?MafiaSSK wrote:Looks like Tubby's the main suspcious person. Will get working on a PBPA of him.
DoomCow: Overreacts somewhat to Vi's fake PR, IMO, but I guess everyone has a different opinion on the matter so I don't think he was in the wrong to vote for Vi. Plus, he said he didn't see when Vi claimed it was a fake PR. Places a well-reasoned vote on DGB (more on that later). Don't really see how (s)he is deserving of votes. Then again, I am reading in isolation atm. So maybe i should get some context after this post.
Natirasha: Pretty strange PR. It's been semi-modconfirmed although I can see natirasha attempting some kind of strange gambit such as this. That's most likely not the case, though. Natirasha, you said "See something that has been said earlier " about your vote on SSK. What was it you were referring to?
Crazy: Put under fire for defending Tubby. I agree with him in that there's nothing wrong with defending someone who you don't think is scum. I agree with most of his points on Tubby (more on that later). Through a brief skim of his posts I found something a tiny bit strange:
. Not necessarily. Town and scum alike make crap cases, so that doesn't really affect the likelihood that tubby is scum or town.I'm not saying tubby is town, just saying the cases on him are crap. I suppose you could say that makes him more likely to be town, but meh.
Scattered/Hasdgfas: Scattered didn't really post enough to get a read. Posted an analysis and voted DoomCow for his vote concerning fake PRs. Has, what do you think of (the other) cow now that he's posted a small analysis and placed a different vote? I can somewhat see Has's suspicion of DoomCow, but overall I think Has is reaching. It only was a vote for a post and he took it off as soon as he learned it was fake. This post caught my attention too:hasdgfas wrote:Why hasn't DoomCow been lynched yet?
Anyways, I don't think Has voting DoomCow originally was scummy but I don't like how he keeps pushing it over not that big of a case.
farside22: Seems genuine in attack against Tubby, DGB, The Internet, etc. Makes good points and ask good questions. I think most likely town atm out of the other players I have read so far (everyone above her in this post). Only a couple of points i disagree with her on: 1) I see nothing wrong with someone defending someone they think is town. You and Crazy may disagree about tubby but if Crazy sees nothing wrong with it, there shouldn't be an issue if he defends his beliefs. Next, this quote (talking about Internet):
Anti-town, sure. Scum, not necessarily. Are K7, MafiaSSK, other lurkers, always scum? Nope, but they continue to always lurk.farside22 wrote:Lurk, lurk, no comment, lurk, lurk, no comment. Something I associate with scum.
CoheedCambria09: Saw nothing wrong with not random voting at first but then OMGUSes Korts and never really explains the reason for the vote. Oh wait he does it explain:
And yes, that is an OMGUS. Realllllly really don't like this next post:Korts wanted me to vote someone, as I didn't see anyone who had done anything particularly scummy, I voted for him, so it could also be interpretted as a OMGUS vote.
This is just him blatantly jumping on a wagon of who others find suspicious for no reason. CC, why do you think tubby deserves a vote?CoheedCambria09 wrote:I'm also hella confused with this whole game so far, I guess I should have expected that though with the name of relative chaos.
And seeing as its supposed to be chaotic:
unvote, vote tubby
animorpherv1: Votes crazy with this as an explanation:
can you explain this? what specifically do you not thinking he's sincere in saying? Has general non-game related posts for the most part. Votes DoomCow but it seems a little OMGUS, IMO. Places a vote on the Internet for a fair reason, but a little hypocritical since his own posts are mainly just QFT, fake PR, or overall not game related posts.animorpherv1 wrote:razy seems to be a little, crazy, to me. It doesn't seem like what he's saying is sincere.
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yup lurking is annoying and anti-town as i said, but not indicative of any alignmentfarside22 wrote:
I try not to do meta reads on people. I'm starting to think some people do deserve the category of meta. Not every person does. I think my problem is that I expect The Internet to post something and not just say there is nothing going on and then leave for the next 3 to 4 days. It bugs me.Anti-town, sure. Scum, not necessarily. Are K7, MafiaSSK, other lurkers, always scum? Nope, but they continue to always lurk.-
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continuing where i left off...
Vi: i couldn't get that much of a read off of Vi, but overall seems town based on his questioning of animorph, tubby, DGB, etc. Vi faked a PR but clearly stated he was doing so, although I have to admit it was pretty annoying. I don't really see what the big deal about it was.
SpyreX: seems to be tunnelvisioned on tubby, as he doesn't really focus on any other suspects besides him. other than that i can't really get much of a read on him other. but he definitely seems too focused on tubby.
The Internet/dahill: Woo. Internet lurked and apparently couldn't get into the game but I replaced so yay! (btw replacing someone =obvtown)
DrippingGoofBall: To be completely honest, I hate DGB's playstyle. She seems like she hasn't even read the thread, and always just butters up everyone by saying things such as "Oh you would do something like that, scum" etc. I did find one post of substance, here which was good, but otherwise she just steps around other peoples' questions with vague comments.
Korts: starts the whole tubby wagon and accuses him of rolefishing. i didn't like this post:
especially since korts was the one to bring up the subject in the first place! korts, what did you think you would achieve by bringing up the weird VC if you didn't want any further discussion of it? jumps on CC for not random voting:Korts wrote:EBWOP: to clarify. I don't wantanyspeculation about what the importance of the initial vote count is, not so early in the game, because at this point, it serves scum more than town by far.
really? this is stretching it, to me.It's the biggest deal as of now, CC09... serious or not.
not true at all. if you don't vote at all in the game, then yes that's bad. but i'm sure CC planned on voting at some point in day 1. here comes a good one:If you don't vote, you're essentially not playing.
i lolled so hard when i read this...so let's get this straight you were pressuring tubby for reactions? i usually only see scum do this type of thing in which they afterwards say they did it "for reactions". looking for reactions can pretty much be an excuse for anything. ex- me:hey i'm scum vote: me.Korts wrote:Ok, let's make this clear. I honestly don't think tubby is up for a lynch as of yet. His actions can be explained away with a simple explanation that he didn't realize he was rolefishing, and when pressured, it is simply a newbtell to resort to Appeal to Emotion.
I wanted to see how many people would follow in my wake if I pressured tubby for it. I'm looking at SpyreX right now, pretty hard, especially after he professed to being comfortable lynching tubby after page 5 and two valid but far from solid tells dropped.
unvote, vote: SpyreX
player 2: omg he's scum vote: him
me: HA ONLY SCUM WOULD JOIN THAT WAGON SINCE THEY KNOW IM REALLY TOWN I WAS LOOKING FOR REACTIONS VOTE: YOU!!
i'm unsure about Korts atm. due to a previous game i was in with him i saw him attempt some stupid gambits then too as town, so i'll have to think about this one.
tubby216: i didn't see anything wrong with his initial post, but when he OMGUSed Korts that caught my attention. definitely don't like his vote for crazy because he defended him. however, i think he steps it up and posts a decent case on Korts (besides a little WIFOM in the middle there). i don't really understand his latest vote on cow. tubby, can you explain that?
Zazier: asks a lot of good questions towards the other players, and seems to be genuinely scumhunting. seems to be one of those people that i can't get a clear read on, but she seems town to me for now.
WOOO DONE!
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out of all of these cases, i think avote CoheedCambriais the best decision at the moment. this is mainly because out of all of the other people i find scummy, their behavior is more consistent with past experiences (such as Korts, DGB)
that being said i still think they are scummy so..
FoS: DGB, Korts, tubby, animorph, SSK
and also i'll be V/LA from Nov. 14-15-
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well i consider jumping all over one comment and calling it rolefishing (which i don't believe it was), and then strongly pushing the wagon after that kinda scummy. although i do admit, the case was semi-valid after the whole crazy incident, but originally it wasn't.Korts wrote:Let's clear this. It's scummy when you dismiss ascummyaction as having fished for reactions. I don't see how simply pushing a fairly valid wagon is in and of itself a scummy action, therefore I don't see how I could've benefited from stating that I was fishing for reactions unless, oh yeah, I was fishing for reactions.-
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many people perceive things the wrong wayKorts wrote:
And there you have your point disproveddahill1 wrote:Korts wrote:So you say that suggesting a theory that, both if confirmed or denied, hurts the town, cannot be percieved as intentional or unintentional rolefishing?it could be by some, but i didn't think it was and i felt those who did think it was were trying to push a crap case
what specifically?animorpherv1 wrote:Crazy part: I thought something that he was saying didn't sound right. That bad?
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he's definitely not one of the scummiest people, and his wagon was based on an accusation korts didn't even believe in (he said he was doing it for reactions). question for you ssk, would you still have done a PBPA on tubby if he didn't have the biggest wagon? also, how's the PBPA going?MafiaSSK wrote:
Why?Natirasha wrote:
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not necessarilyKorts wrote:I see no point in a vote that just sits there, without support. "Every vote counts" but one vote does not make a lynch. I've made my case and unfortunately I don't have any more points, therefore pursuing other suspicions seems like the best way to keep contributing.
push for your case if you believe that strongly in it
ex: i could've easily joined DGB's wagon since i'm also suspicious of her, or SSK with natirasha. however, i decided to place a lone vote on CC since i'm fairly sure he is scum because of that vote.-
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on a serious note, DGB was going to be my second vote after CC most likely. so this recent post by her:
sparked my vote and reaffirmed my suspicion of her because of her jokey posts that avoid the questions and lack of an actual case against, well, anyoneThis game seems to lack a sense of direction.
Let's run up a nice big wagon, then we'll have stuff to talk about. We're wimpy with the votes. That's not the way to win.-
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nope, i explained because you know that's what people usually do when they vote. given your posts, however, i can see how you might not have seen this. nice OMGUS, though.DrippingGoofball wrote:@ farside - hi sweetie. I missed you too.
Interesting fast jump on a gratuitous, but fun, bandwagon on me and only bothering to explain it the day after. What, you're afraid we're going to come after you alter?dahill1 wrote:on a serious note, DGB was going to be my second vote after CC most likely. so this recent post by her:
sparked my vote and reaffirmed my suspicion of her because of her jokey posts that avoid the questions and lack of an actual case against, well, anyoneThis game seems to lack a sense of direction.
Let's run up a nice big wagon, then we'll have stuff to talk about. We're wimpy with the votes. That's not the way to win.
Dahill you are scum.
unvote, vote: dahill1
p.s. i explained it about an hour later, not a day.-
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how so? if you were scum in that situation (as Spyrex) would you back off of that case?Korts wrote:Huh. Actually when I consider it now, my case on SpyreX is void because it all was based upon him being opportunistic. Not backing off tubby's case when I turned on him makes my whole case null.
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well, i was expecting that you would stay on the caseKorts wrote:I think I would, yeah. Did you expect any other answer than that after my conclusion?
if anything backing off would seem more suspicious IMO, because if you felt so strongly about that case in the first place, you have no reason to back off of it only. just because the original pusher revealed it was a sham doesn't mean you shouldn't believe in the case-
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no, but scum would want to stay convicted in it, or else it would be perceived as scummy for backing off. actually, town or scum would want to stay convicted in the case so it's a nulltellKorts wrote:Um, that's my point exactly. SpyreX not backing off the case proves his conviction in it, and is therefore not a scumtell.-
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fair enough. didn't even see that last point you made so thanks for putting that out therehasdgfas wrote:Yes. DoomCow hasn't done anything in terms of moving the game forward. He'll come in and say something, but not give much reasoning behind it. First off, there was the vote for tubby saying that he "didn't like the last post of his". He's not really saying anything there. Voting Vi for the obviously fake PR is also bad, especially ditching it quickly and going right back to tubby.
Also note the end of post 179, where he says there's nothing to analyze on Day 1. I'd like to hear an explanation for that. There is no pro-town reason I can think of that can explain why posting some analysis on Day 1 is bad.-
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CoheedCambria09 wrote:Zaz, I didn;t really have a reason for voting, thats why in the post that held the tubby vote it said something along the lines of, so to be chaotic. I voted on the person with the largest bandwagon. Pretty much it. I have to pay more attention to this game and then more posts will be coming.unvote vote CC
this post made me want to switch my vote back
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is it scummy though?DoomCow wrote:
I've defended myself enough from this. fake pr is lying to town and thus anti town. No matter what reasoning it might be. The vote switch back was because Vi admitted to having a fake pr in post 51. Still not liking it, but willing to go with it for now.hasdfgas wrote:Voting Vi for the obviously fake PR is also bad, especially ditching it quickly and going right back to tubby.
what do you mean by this? wouldn't a Day 1 analysis give you even better of a reference?DoomCow wrote:I'm not saying that posting analysis on day 1 is bad, I'm just saying I won't do any analysis on day 1. Since I like some reference to go by.
why? also you haven't been posting that much anyway and this seems like an excuse to not post even more.animorpherv1 wrote:
I abstain from posting untill farside rereads.farside22 wrote:Hi all. I took the day off to catch up on sleep. Just letting you know I didn't forget about you.FoS: animorphgaaah..so many scummy people in this game!! i wish i was like a quadruple voter!
SSK, are you done with the reread yet? seriously, it's been awhile and you still haven't made a PBPA like you said-
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it wasn't scummy that he was voting for CC, but more the fact that he switched so suddenly off of a case he had been pushing very hard.farside22 wrote:dahil: post 308: Why bring up CC comments then say Korts vote is suspicious?
no they do, but Korts' change of heart was too quick IMOdahill post 337: Do you think people dont' change there minds on who's scum based on actions they do later in the game?-
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nope, never played with himfarside22 wrote:
Have you ever played with the internet? If so was he scum or town and did he seem different this game from that game?dahill1 wrote:
it wasn't scummy that he was voting for CC, but more the fact that he switched so suddenly off of a case he had been pushing very hard.farside22 wrote:dahil: post 308: Why bring up CC comments then say Korts vote is suspicious?
no they do, but Korts' change of heart was too quick IMOdahill post 337: Do you think people dont' change there minds on who's scum based on actions they do later in the game?
do you think i'm scum and/or deserving of a vote at the moment, and if so explain why?animorpherv1 wrote:I am giving what I think. If you don't agree, then well, I can't do anything to stop that, but I am giving my own opinion.-
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why is korts town? do you honestly think all 3 of them are scum? if so, are you still suspicious of me?DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm suspicious of the following players:
SpyreX, ZazieR, CoheedCambria09
Reason: I don't like how they are hanging on to a wagon that has lost much of its steam. That stinks of disappointed, lazy scum to me.
In other news, Korts is town. I agree that animo & Coheed should be pushed. I pick Coheed because he persists on the tubby non-wagon.
unvote, vote: CoheedCambria09
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how can scum not fake thinking from a townie perspective? they most certainly would have something to gain from your view since you will think they're townDrippingGoofball wrote:Korts is town for reasons similar to tubby's.
He made a couple of posts that are from a town-brain perspective. Again, not the sort of thing scum can fake, because there's no reason for it, they have nothing to gain. It's just the kind of thinking and wording that come naturally to a townie.-
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......CoheedCambria09 wrote:So here at L-2 I believe I will be completely honest...
I don't know my role. It says I am a squashed banana but not that I have any powers or how I win. Pretty much the reason I haven't been contributing much.
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i don't think Xyl is THAT bastard of a mod. so i think you're lying. but if you are telling the truth, that's hilarious/sad at the same time-
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Xyl =/= Tarhalindur!!Natirasha wrote:dahill1 wrote:......
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i don't think Xyl is THAT bastard of a mod. so i think you're lying. but if you are telling the truth, that's hilarious/sad at the same time
...??Tarhalindur wrote:<Just when you think that life can't get any worse, it does.
It wasn't enough to give you a dead mother and a sociopathic father (plus a bunch of teammates who are nearly as screwed up as you are, if not more so). It wasn't enough to have to fight beings they call Angels in something resembling but entirely different from a giant robot. It wasn't enough to see everything you cared for get ruined in a horrific manner. Now you're having to live through this?
"Congratulations! Congratulations! Congratulations! For all the children, congratulations!"
Screw these games, screw all these wheels-within-wheels conspiracies, screw all this freaky mind stuff. You don't care who you are or what role you're supposed to play. You just want to get out of the game.>
Welcome to Tarhalindur Mostly Mountainous, PLAYERNAME. You are Shinji Ikari (from Neon Genesis Evangelion). Congratulations!
You win when all other factions are dead, or nothing can prevent the same.
Please confirm via return PM.
Plus that game was Mind Screw. i doubt Xyl would do something like that. anyways, i don't believe the claim as i said so i have no problem with the lynch-
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/agrees on doomcow's scummy vote
also, SSK for godsakes stop being a sheep and follow through with your promise to participate. you too animorph.
on CC: if we lynch him, then at best we catch a lying scum. at worst, we catch a non-aligned banana which isn't helping the town. i see no reason why we shouldn't lynch him today.-
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lol @ dis ironyMafiaSSK wrote:
That's all you have to say in a post? Really?? Where have you posted a full-blown, good case whereas you can say that?Korts wrote:Meanwhile, I do endorse other people realizing DGB's slip.
read the (multiple) cases i wrote on him. in short: CC placed an opportunistic vote and admitted his only reason was to join the largest bandwagon. that's pretty scummy. also, you may have missed that HE ADMITTED TO NOT BEING TOWN.MafiaSSK wrote:
How is CC being scummy?dahill1 wrote: on CC: if we lynch him, then at best we catch a lying scum. at worst, we catch a non-aligned banana which isn't helping the town. i see no reason why we shouldn't lynch him today.
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DC, you were honest with us in your reasoning but that doesn't justify it not being scummy. voting just for a claim even when you don't suspect the person is scummy.
anyways, i believe the claim enough that we shouldn't lynch DC today, IMO.
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DC shouldn't answer this, and even if he does we most certainly shouldn't guide him.Korts wrote:Considering your claim, however. It can be confirmed. Do you have a kill? (yes I know this is rolefishing technically.) If you do have a kill, you should shoot tonight, and shoot the person that the town chooses.-
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*gets game references ready if DC flips scum*tubby216 wrote:
seriously thats what i was thinkinKorts wrote:dahill stop trying to derail your scumbuddy's wagon.
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indication of possible one shot abilitiesKorts wrote:why the quotation marks around "targets"?
true. i guess i meant an animorph lynch and CC as a backup if the former doesn't work outDrippingGoofball wrote:
Why CC??? The guy is a walking vig/NK target. No possible information can be had from his lynch.dahill1 wrote:I do support a CC/animorph lynch today-
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didn't want to outright state it, but pretty much yeahfarside22 wrote:
I believe dahil is suggesting that if DC is the joat that he use his one shot on CC, who looks to be an obvious 3rd party role.Korts wrote:
So how will a protect or a block, or even an investigation on CC confirm DC's alignment/role?dahill1 wrote:
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