You did not. I'm still highly confused about the entire situation.
VOTE: Titus
When you say you r page 1 wasn't fanatastic, what is it that you mean by that?In post 64, Meuh wrote:Idk exactly how to describe why I like 49, it just feels right. May be one of those cases when someone makes a post that's NAI but I just find it funny/enjoyable so I TR them for it. If so I don't mind because either way a smile was brought to my face, heehee :]
The thing with the votes on me is that I do think my page 1 wasn't super fantastic. Because of that it was weird for me to engage with 15 (this of itself may sound too self-aware lmao, and this remark too but whatever).
In a basic sense I think votes on me = bad because I'm confirmed townie in my own eyes, but I see justification for it via my page 1 so I'm in a murky state of "oh no, votes on me!" and "yeah but this isn't necessarily bad because there's reasonable basis for a vote this early" so I don't know how to react to it. Still need to derust a bit.
Also I took a look at the cancelled game's setup and now I'm scared... :0
My biggest note is the 9/4/1 ratio, combined with only 2 vts makes me think this is the type of game that gets won or lost on night actions. Should be interesting because that doesn't feel standard for this site. But yeah, a lot of scum roles is not a pretty sight. Hopefully, the third party role doesn't get to kill this time around because that swing potential is my worst nightmare. >_>
Are you saying that I ought to have reacted? Why?In post 89, Frogsterking wrote:In post 84, Morning Tweet wrote:Why'd my mech spec post draw your attention Frog it should be fairly NAI I broguth it up because i wasnt sure if everyobne knebw the other thread got a new postHmm. Yeah. I reread, and it looks like you were more interested in questioning flavia when herta outed his read on you, tweet. How come you didn't react when herta had a preliminary townread on you for posting "fairly NAI" content? It just seems a little dodgy..In post 67, Herta wrote:Preliminary tweet town read.
Again, you're reaching here frog. You aren't saying why I ought to have reacted, other than weakly implying that since i view a post of mine as NAI, I therefore should find it questionable that someone finds something townyIn post 88, Frogsterking wrote:Chill, you two seem a little on edge. I'm just asking questions.
I take it that MT and Herta both are vehement that Herta *did not* crumb traitor to MT and that Herta should *definitely* be ruled out as a traitor?
That's interesting!In post 84, Morning Tweet wrote:Why'd my mech spec post draw your attention Frog it should be fairly NAI I broguth it up because i wasnt sure if everyobne knebw the other thread got a new post
So why do you think Herta townread you then if your only real post is NAI? Did you say anything when Herta townread you? Seems like odd timing for him doesn't it if you think you only wrote NAI schtuff?
Understandable, not far from the truth tooIn post 126, Frogsterking wrote:I'm getting "frustrated scum who was called out for reasons they know are dog shit" intuition pings from you.In post 117, Morning Tweet wrote:Frog if u don't see how "You think ur posts r nai but someone townread you why didn't u engage" is a weak implication at best
Herta: Makes 1 TR without reasoning on page 3In post 127, Frogsterking wrote:EBWOP @ herta. I'm sorry I said your posts are dogshit, that was way too harsh and not accurate of what I actually think. I think your posts are consistently null or scummy and I'm struggling to come up with any reasons to rule you out as a suspect. I don't really believe your posts or play are of sub par quality and I'm sorry that I wrote what I did in #126.In post 126, Frogsterking wrote:What gave you the idea to "preliminary town read" MT? Was it only based off their mech post?
Mhm okayIn post 128, Titus wrote:Ok, since Flavia cleared up as best they're comfortable with, I'll make my announcement. The mod said there was a role that checked opposite of their alignment and that's it. So I'm assuming Flavia is a miller. If Flavia is not a miller, we have a godparent.
i like meuh's reaction to being voted by nym and my questioningIn post 121, Meuh wrote:In post 75, Morning Tweet wrote:When you say you r page 1 wasn't fanatastic, what is it that you mean by that?In post 69, Meuh wrote:This is my first time playing as myself in opening pages in a while (played an anonymous game recently but that felt different). I am struggling, I'm just not scum for it. 13 was disingenous because I made it from a want to post more than having something to say, and that's a way that struggle showed. That's partially why Frog's read on me is something I felt satisfied with despite yknow, its wrongness.
it wasn't a vote backed by compelling reason :( Outside of i guess, you're usually proactive as town and i hadn't noticed you.In post 156, Bell wrote:*ahem* I meant seeming like scum when I'm a power role.
People always get their wires crossed but I'm here for it.
I'm totally not a power role btw.
and I'm not useful.
Though yes, please share your reasons. *pokes MT*
In post 160, Frogsterking wrote:I wonder if this is the part where I go "oh yeah that makes sense, I've FoSed players who were power roles before" and then I start hard defending scum!Bell all day.In post 156, Bell wrote:*ahem* I meant seeming like scum when I'm a power role.
People always get their wires crossed but I'm here for it.
I'm totally not a power role btw.
and I'm not useful.
Though yes, please share your reasons. *pokes MT*
I'm kind of surprised Frog didn't find 156 suspicious or otherwise noteworthy and instead jumped to that specific scenario where he starts townreading youIn post 161, Bell wrote:I feel like that would have to be the part where you were scum because in general, town you never does that. You just double down.
Ah. That makes more senseIn post 180, Frogsterking wrote:Bell, why are you all weird? 156, 157, 161 don't look like Town posts.
I skimmed Kitty's ISO and it's scummy feelingIn post 208, N.Y. M wrote:@Tweetie explain how you got from agreeing with Frogs’ read on Bell to voting Kitty?
~N
Are you holding your tongue intentionally or are you struggling because of there only being 10 pages?In post 239, Bell wrote:Okay one day left.
So, it's typical for me to hold my tongue when I'm a PR which is why I usually get called out and run up whole song and dance. I was doing that "not going to comment" thing two days ago and then my brain dropped off the face of the earth because I'm playing wrath of the righteous and I am hyperfocusing on that on vacation. Every choice, where will it take me ten years from now? *gray hair*
To be blunt too many people are no shows for me to be confident in anything. 10 page large theme is extremely unusual. Flavia's entrance bothered me because they refused to answer a straight question, my vote never moved because I didn't think moving it would *do* anything. But keeping it there didn't do anything either. There's not much point moving my vote now either because it's too late to do legwork with a one day dead line.
Is flavia being replaced? Because I would like to kill one Flavia please.
I voted Bell for basically nothing originally. My current read is that there's something extremely peculiar about how he's playing in a moderately suspicious way
In post 372, Meuh wrote:A bit less cool than that, I babysat Andres/MariaR thinking it had a good chance to kill them.In post 354, ActionDan wrote:Meuh are you claiming vig who shot Andres/MariaR?
this is too weird of a thought process for scumIn post 374, Meuh wrote:At the time I thought Bell was a traitor so a kill on me was more appealing, paired with good old self-centeredness :cool:
In post 385, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Meuh
PP is a villager, so is Titus. Frogs leader type posts bother me, but I don't have the desire nor drive to really go into that at the moment so I'm just gonna vote the very obvious and easier to kill wolf to me.
Why would you talk like this after voting Meuh, it's what i would describe as behaviour speicifcally designed to interfere with Meuh's read of you primarily more than anything else. which is why i found it scummy.In post 389, MariaR wrote:mmmm promise? ♡
I might not be town
or I could be.
Can't you be more angry or something? Your scumread is trying to push you isn't that totally opportunistic and wolfy? Push me.
it not meIn post 544, PenguinPower wrote:MT hasn'tIn post 542, furtiveglance wrote:Has everyone else posted since the claim? I think Flavia hasn't
MariaR just claim the other lost Mason
This is a strong point. Great place to look at tooIn post 824, ActionDan wrote:The only VCA that matters in this game is between pages 10 and 11. I think it's a pretty good argument for DV not scum. He abandons 2 vote wagon on me to vote Andres up to 3. This is when at the time I was only bell voter.In post 820, Frogsterking wrote:ActionDan mentioned VCA is important to his overall reads, can you break down what that is you've been looking at AD?
That's the extent I've used VCA this game, though reading those pages reminds me that furtive and pp's responses to my questions were rather poor
In post 864, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what type of question is that
I can't really fight that kind of logicIn post 865, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:who would i visit other than you
In post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im basically conftown cuz im a loud visitor
In post 111, Flavia wrote:No. The role doesn't say I'll come as mafia to investigators. It say...well, that people don't like me and believe I'm mafia...well, Delegate. That's all. So, I've assumed most probably I'm miller. Or a small possibility it means I can be hammered with less votes.
Im confused why did Flavia say thisIn post 129, Flavia wrote:They are funny but I think totally NAI. Was funny and relaxed last game...and was third party. But the penguin gifs were sort of cute.In post 64, Meuh wrote:Idk exactly how to describe why I like 49, it just feels right. May be one of those cases when someone makes a post that's NAI but I just find it funny/enjoyable so I TR them for it. If so I don't mind because either way a smile was brought to my face, heehee :]
Yeah, checked. 100% Miller.
Other.. huh what now I didn't even see trhisIn post 829, DeasVail wrote:okay cool
I will now go into the reasons why I think Meuh is government.
I am the other Operator (technically it's possible that there's more but I very much doubt that is the case) and so I feel I have some insight into what a reaction to Maria's claim would be from someone who knew about the existence of operators.
Not only that, but the government would have even more knowledge that Maria's claim was made up because of what Maria said about 3p in 505.
See, when Maria claimed, I was preeeetty sure that they were a scum operator making stuff up, but there was an outside chance that the other operator was somebody else and this was Maria just making something else up.
BUT the government role knows about the operator thing, and they would have known if there was also some lost mason thing that they could listen in on. So, because there is no lost mason thing and what Maria was posting sounded very similar to the operator role, the government player would have 99% known that this was Maria just making stuff up.
This is where Meuh comes in. 521 reads to me as Meuh knowing based on her role that Maria is scum, but the actual reasoning provided does not really stack up. It reads to me more as the government player knowing that Maria is scum, but not being able to be completely honest about the reasons why.
If anyone is interested in any other operator details I'm happy to divulge, but Maria had reason to believe that I might be the other operator (I semi- revealed myself in my night 1 radio message) and the claim was probably to try and claim masons with me on the off-chance I was another traitor, OR banking on me potentially being an unclaimed member of the hotel.
Meuh has also weirdly not expressed suspicion of me despite me being mostly a non-presence.
But yeah, I think it makes more sense to eliminate Meuh than furtive here.
I kind of assumed that the other groupscum was an operator, I didn't really read what it did very closely. I see now.
I'm not sure this reads as Meuh "knowing" Maria is scum based off of her role claim. I'm skeptical of that, it reads to me more like some technicality in how maybe the CPR Doctor was worded which implied the nonexistence of other killing abilities. But I can follow your reasoningIn post 521, Meuh wrote:My role has slight implications that my role and the mafia factional kill are the only kills so I'm not tempted to believe this.In post 505, MariaR wrote:If I visit them at night we become masons but the 3p can kill us.
@ActionDan purely for gladiating Meuh. Not sure it makes sense from scum furtive in any way. He's getting himself killed for what. Unless maybe he's a traitor and it's an intentional play to save groupscum, which, I hadn't considered really.In post 917, ActionDan wrote:Was your read on Furtive always this high, and if not, can you explain your progression?In post 866, Morning Tweet wrote:Frog
ActionDan
furtive
Meuh
Pooky(flavia)
Titus
PenguinPower, DeasVail
Enchant(roden)
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At the time of N2 for all anyone in this thread knew, Meuh was a babysitter that only had the potential to kill. A bit of a harebrained plan to sac the NK to "confirm" a yet unclaimed fakeclaim that doesn't actually confirm it.
Did it? i guiess it changes depending on how interested i am in the game, as well as independent factors like my mood.In post 947, Frogsterking wrote:Now is the time--rather than later--to think that stuff outIn post 946, Morning Tweet wrote:@ActionDan purely for gladiating Meuh. Not sure it makes sense from scum furtive in any way. He's getting himself killed for what. Unless maybe he's a traitor and it's an intentional play to save groupscum, which, I hadn't considered really.
What exactly are you proposing is going on?
Why did you change your playstyle once Pooky replaced in?
I find Meuh's overestimation of how towny others see them to be something i do a lot as town. Also if Meuh were scum I feel like they realize Bell is a traitor and therefore don't have such a wide margin of error of how towny they're being perceivedIn post 985, Frogsterking wrote:Okay that part makes sense.In post 984, Meuh wrote:I didn’t think I would be, but I knew that if I babysat N1, I’d at least be able to use a second ability on N2, so overall I’d get more use out of my roleIn post 982, Frogsterking wrote:What made you feel you would be safe N2/N3?In post 980, Meuh wrote:But yeah I thought Bell was just regular scum and I think the role I played there made me obv town + I was one of the more active players so scum would kill me
Like to me it was more appealing to babysit N1 and shoot someone N2 than to shoot N1 and potentially just die
You're saying I would react the opposite way and be surprised that you're scumreading me?In post 1009, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:tweetie i dont feel the indignance from your eyes as you type away at your keyboad in disbelief that I could be possibly writing this ridiculous drivel which is a classic element of your town gameIn post 1006, Morning Tweet wrote:Doubling down for a shitty reason, also a town pooky move
I feel like assigning him to eliminate a random town JoAT specifically as his win condition is a bit oddIn post 1015, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:well no cuz furtive has to also find his target, he doesnt know who meuh is - he just has to yeet the role or w/eIn post 1013, Morning Tweet wrote:It would then follow that RH designed a gladiator eliminator who also wins and ends the game if we accidentally choose wrong 50/50.. yeah I don't think furtive is the governemnt agent
Like on the one hand it kinda comes across like Meuh felt like a slam dunk to furtive, and (for whatever reason), he just *had* to use his abilityIn post 1027, Morning Tweet wrote:Spoiler: furtive on the gladiate, meuh
Is furtive usually impulsive?
Thank you lol fantastic referenceIn post 1045, Frogsterking wrote:YesIn post 1027, Morning Tweet wrote:Spoiler: furtive on the gladiate, meuh
Is furtive usually impulsive?
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Furtive is introverted, creative, conscientious-less, a mix of aggreeable and disagreeable and a mix of high and low neuroticism. The low conscientiousness ("need a push to get started = 5") and aspects of high neuroticism ("easily resist temptations = 5") are good predictors for impulsivity.
In post 528, furtiveglance wrote: "Easily resist temptations" = 1
right but like if you are GIVEN the sword and you start faintly hearing the whispers in the back of your head "do it do it do it do it"In post 1054, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 1052, Morning Tweet wrote:Pooky, it's kind of hard to answer your question, because furtive wasn't a gladiator in those other games, so furtive would have to use his voice rather than a gladiator shot in order to strongarm his opinion. Which is a totally different thing
yea but my mental model of how furtive!town plays is
(1) vote scum
(2) dont die
(3) stay in the background
not waving a sword screaming yo we need to kill meuh
it comes across like you're saying he spends his time solely trying to avoid getting miseliminated, and can't do anything else due to limbaity nature or something or other . I dont think that's what you meant but i can see how it comes across that wasyIn post 1071, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:how is this objectively insulting, lots of people dont like to be mis-eliminatedIn post 1069, furtiveglance wrote:Why are you characterising me in this way? Which games is it based on? I'm not triggered per se, but it's objectively insulting. Not a single user on this site spends their games 'trying not to get mislimmed'In post 1061, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:dude is not a town leader type player
hes like b-team support who tries not to get mis-elimmed
theres no way he randomly decides he's suddenly tom cruise in mission impossible just cuz his role pm says so
As in, the miller claim seems like it would come from government? What about the loud visiting? Why would government have such negative utilIn post 1082, Titus wrote:As for the 3p read, it was mech and Flavia being missing. Forgot Flavia is now Pooky.
i bear bad news about andres
So, if we eliminate scum and that scum is the final scum, the government wins its condition (eliminate scum) which then causes the town to lose despite eliming scum? Assuming that the government agent simply targetted a town player last night.In post 955, RH wrote:You win if you are remaining when all opposing factions to your final target excluding yourself have exited the community.