New Year Dance Party [afterparty]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Happy new years everyone! As my new years resolution i promise to always roll townnand be nice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who knows about the future though? Not me. Everyone often starts with this illusion of a "casual, friendly" game that isn't taken "too seriously", but the chances that it'll eventually become a trainwreck aren't small from my experience.

If you aren’t always prepared for an long and protracted trench warfare situation in a "fun game with friends" then can you even call it mafia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ProfessorDrapion & Aristeia

My lady, i do not know of the circumstances of our union as of yet.
But i can guarantee you, an lady as fine as you shall not be left unloved. We shall reach for the stars you and i, pity the corporeal villains that wish to stamp out the arena of our eternal bond. We shall do what we can to quiet their unbecoming cries.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going to be mad talking behind other peoples back in our PT when it opens and i just want you all to be — aware — of that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Welcome Norwe!

I've a proposition to you during D2:

What's yours is mine, and what is mine is mine. Therefore if you accept this amazing deal I say we start to wagon Ausuka together as soon as intermission is over. What do you think about that plan hm?

I’m yet to be convinced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

flirting with ur dance partner is scummy
that is -1 point for norwee.

Obviously ur supposed to be indifferent to ur dance partner.
Like a true gentlemen

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey norwee how u been btw haven't talked in ages

Not too bad, better now that you’re here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Meuh is a very good fit for you Shirou.
I’m not saying that because i think it’s certain you’re both town. But personality-wise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The remaining unpaired are?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Meuh is a very good fit for you Shirou.
I’m not saying that because i think it’s certain you’re both town. But personality-wise.

Hm? You're certain I'm town?

I appreciate the desire to be wanted and trusted by me darling. But unfortunately my love and trust is reserved for my one and only special one. Read the post again, i was saying that you two make a good match based on personality.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The remaining unpaired are?

Think it's

Gents:
UNOwen
midway

Gals:
Cakez
Enchant
VP

Appreciated. Quoting for easy access.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant is a player that is likely to leave their partner at an early time as town so they are objectively the best choice to leave out assuming all three remaining are town.
I would select Baltar and Cakez as final pairings and then solve the game from there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant is a player that is likely to leave their partner at an early time as town so they are objectively the best choice to leave out assuming all three remaining are town.
I would select Baltar and Cakez as final pairings and then solve the game from there.

i dont think u would apply this logic to me the way u do enchant and the situation would be the same.
Kind of odd

Explain this because i do not inderstand what your image of me is here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw TSQ, i would say that the game you pocketed in me was so awful that i hardly even want to think about it. But the pocket boiled down to you being practically the only voice of reason in a very painful game.
I will of course, make due caution in trusting you easily in future games, which includes this one obviously.
Anyway are you the bragging type?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can get down with that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cakes it’s between you and Enchant. Quick! Make a townie post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I doubt there's gonna be anything more useful to get from Enchant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My last experience with white knighting for someone didn't go very well tbh.

Well it's Midway that has the ultimate choice anyways so i'd say let Shirou go ahead at doing what they want to do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was getting impatient myself, but making my partner have to wait? That's unacceptable.
Midway, make your decision with haste!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think Enchant should be the choice because i don't like their current attitude.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think Enchant should be the choice because i don't like their current attitude.

as in it's scummy?

It could possibly be fishing for townreads by acting like they don't want to survive. It would seem like an suicidal strategy for scum and hence be effective at creating trust.
I just don't like it because either way it's destructive playstyle and i don't think that is a very good influence to keep around.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think that kind of thinking is in Enchant's scumrange, he is pretty straight foward as scum in my experience.

Alright, but it's pretty bad play to not accept. From Enchant's POV as town it should always be favorable to kill Cakez over themselves here. Especially if a lot of players in the game trust them over Cakez.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have a bit of a strong sense of justice so this might annoy me more than it should. I'll stop ranting about other peoples play now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, you do you i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But if you're going i'd like it if you at least explained why you trust Cakez to be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

only thing concerning me about ari is the fact she keeps buttering norwee up for some reason.
i kind of townread her for at least saying she would dance with me. Though I guess that is easy to fake when she didn't actually go through with it.

He is quite handsome and I don't think it's fair to blame me for you not offering to dance with me.

i wasn't in a rush to dance with anyone this game. i wanted to scumhunt a bit. u blaming ur impatience on me is also not fair imo.
i was thinking u were in my top 3 picks

Ugly is the man who is jealous. Tsk tsk.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I must say, I miss a bit the town reads that would usually appear by now when I was more solvy. Other than maybe TSQ push on me, people read on me feel...kinda random and biased? Maybe Cakez's isn't bad either. I think they are all negative reads as well though.

One of the ways I like sorting is based on people's read on me (It's not OMGUS I swear!) so I hope people will try their luck on my slot on more details if they haven't already?

In fact, @Norwe, what's your take on me here?

It’s probably too early for me to give a definitive read on you. I like to be sure when i proclaim whether you are in fact town or scum. Simply because i don’t want to come to a hasty and wrong conclusion.
Although you don’t give me immediate horrible vibes like in that game with Taly where i was the only one that felt iffy about you while everyone else townread you and then you murdered me night 1… so i guess that’s a good sign?
So if i was forced to give a read on you currently it would probably be light town, but i reserve the right to immediately backtrack on that if i get those iffy vibes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i’m not gonna lie, i feel a very high pressure to read you correctly since i know how you talk and think in daily life way more than anyone else here. It would suck so hard if i got you wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Give lovers PT dangit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The innocent child is inactive, let's kill him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll nominate you for a scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cakes flipping scum would be great, but i just want Enchant to accept so the game can move on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The mod team better not be up to something funny.
Anyway good job Shirou, very good catch. Shirou is pretty much 100% town now.
"But Norwee, how did they know Cakez would flip scum there? This might just be some really clever scum distancing" <- No, shut up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwe if I say I've a solve how likely are you to sheep me semi-blindly here in this dayphase?

I wanna do my own thinking too, but sure if you're relatively confident on a solve i'll consider sheeping it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Instead of the joker, Firebringer is more like the child-friendly "villain" in kids tv that goes around proclaiming to be evil but their idea of evil is to put too much butter on peoples toast.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shirou, help.
GL is wrongly lockscumming me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also @Norwe could you explain detail how you locktowned me?

Ari, did that logging out stuff on phone start yesterday or so? It was when it started to me

You’ve seen how my reads work before. You know i can’t explain it. If you are scum i will realize, and i do not know why. Contrarily it’s the same for you as town.
I know this is convincing to nobody except you yourself so i’m banking on you to save me here. My life is in your hands.
I don’t think Aristeia is scum so our pair should not be first elimination.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What would you say if someone did try to subtly get sircakes paired

Yeah, the subtetly of an battering ram.
I was very vocal about preferring Cakez because of what i knew of Enchants character. Why you acting like i was the only one pushing for Cakez here? A townie could easily argue for Cakez, and i was very open about why i wanted Cakez to be the choice. Were you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No i was too scared to eat the toast you left behind with an smile on my doorstep.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think my logic for wanting Cakez is something i would argue regardless of my alignment because it has to do with my moral principles. So i don’t think it should be viewed as scum indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what about cakez's posts says town to you

i think enchant is probably town

I certainly had a horse in this race

What was ur reasoning then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also think "I wasn't as subtle trying to get mafia to survive as you are making it out to be" isn't the argument you think it is

That’s not the point. I’m saying that i would have argued for Cakez because Enchant’s attitude repulsed me. And i was very vocal and not even remotely sneaky about it. And your argument is that i was scum "subtly" pushing Cakez which is completely wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone in the last pages agreeing that i am not town is very discouraging.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How about we call you Fire_2
Or furry.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i dislike firepup the most out of all my nicknames and i think that just encourages u to do it more.

Ah so that’s the one you hate the most. I’ll make sure to cal-
I’ll make sure to not call you that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbf if there was an local conspiracy theorist i’d want to partner with them too, PT would be fun.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this is first game ive ever read of fireisred that i scumread him. Ive only like read 3-4 of his games and i was either neutral or townreading.
I think that says something.

I read their ISO and i agree.
VOTE: Fireisred

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone in the last pages agreeing that i am not town is very discouraging.

norwee, do you think you should be townread

what have you done that has advanced the town wincon

What have you done other than be confirmed town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Everyone in the last pages agreeing that i am not town is very discouraging.

norwee, do you think you should be townread

what have you done that has advanced the town wincon

What have you done other than be confirmed town?

lol are you actually trying to fight with me right now

I'm 100% town your job is to help me see why I'm wrong, not whine and be petty

What's there to say to you. I'm not being petty, just realistic. What should i have said to Mastina when they deathtunneled me in the previous game i played? They admitted by their own admission that nothing would have convinced them they were wrong on their read on me. You're the same. You don't scumread me for a good reason so there is nothing to discuss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're the same. You don't scumread me for a good reason so there is nothing to discuss.

are you seriously comparing me to mastina? I waffle and re-evaluate constantly, I even have precedent of flipping from tunneling you to townreading you in Philosophers one of the last times we played

all you would need to do is tell me what you think you've done that you wouldn't do as scum here, and who you think is actually scum. that's not an unreasonable thing to ask for at all

I literally am voting a player i scumread right now. You're not going to get more out from me by pressure, nor am i going to spoonfeed you how i play as town. I advise you to read Fireisred's ISO and see for yourself why it's suspicious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this is first game ive ever read of fireisred that i scumread him. Ive only like read 3-4 of his games and i was either neutral or townreading.
I think that says something.

I read their ISO and i agree.
VOTE: Fireisred

this is literally the only mention of fireisred in your ISO

how am I supposed to understand why he's scummy

He's literally doing the same "Cakes and Enchant is TvT" thing you said was supicious from me and yet you have been hyperfocusing on me the entire time because idk i guess i'm a bit more loud about my opinions so it's easy to dogpile post-flip. The way Firesired have been playing around the pair is way more scummy because they at first vocally expressed wanting to partner Enchant but then later when Cakez and Enchant was the choice they started going on about how they read Cakez as town in this game and claiming: "enchant and cakez are probably both town" in the middle of an reads post. Fire has the perfect amount of distancing and subtly pushing of "they are both town" that scum can make and come out looking ok if Cakez if flipped but also hopefully turn the elimination on Enchant. And literally the only reason Enchant wasn't flipped is because of Shirou which is why they are so obvtown.
Later after the flip FireisRed was also claimining Ari was bussing Cakez which was a stance i did not understand at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yea, I don't really get why fireisred has suddenly gotten 4 votes on him. I think someone's quoted this already (maybe GL), but look back at Cakez: 1060. There's an uncertainty in Cakez read of fire that doesn't read like scum bussing. If Cakez was shading a partner, I would expect a much more sure tone instead.
I don't see what's sus about the EoD either.

That post from Cakez was horrible. Idk why you think it's unpartnering.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does that mean you think Ari is red then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm expecting big amounts of hilarity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

MariaR has lied about how much she knows about this game maker how she will try to spin it. She may even go for the "oh yeah I lied/faked some of my posts but I'm still town tehe U.u"

The way this all developed I would say it's close enough to a soft scumclaim, and if you try to dismiss it just like with Cakez by saying "it's just psychoanalizying" or something, don't be surprised if we lose.

Just punish what is statically much more likely to come from scum than town (lying/hiding). It can be that simple sometimes.

So i read your stuff and i understand what you’re saying about Maria and discrepancies, but why would it mean partnered with Aristeia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just trying to understand what exactly it is that would tie the two together.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also tbf, i wanted to solve a bit in my PT with Aristeia, but they responded negatively to that so we have mostly just been fooling around by creating stories and stuff. So if you were to ask me directly if i townread them i would say not really. But i feel obliged to at least try to protect them since i share their fate and i would feel really bad if they were town and i threw them under the bus.
Btw if you want to know what else we have been doing in PT, she said she didn’t want to believe i was scum. But tbh i haven’t really done anything in our PT that would suggest i am very likely to be town. So if i were to say what i might find suspect about her it’s how easy she started trusting me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just trying to understand what exactly it is that would tie the two together.

It's harder to explain in even more detail than I already did in mobile. Sorry but I feel like my explanation is already quite detailed.

Why the hell do you think Ari is town anyway Norwe? The Cakez thing? She gave a reason when asked about why she thought Cakez was scummier but she never

really tried

to eliminate Cakez.

This is mafiascum dot com Norwe, almost every scum buss their partner a bit before they go down. Why didn't Ari push Cakez for that

before he was looking likely to die

?

Do you also

know

Ari? I

know

(if you know what I truly mean here) Ari and just like Fire himself pointed out she's just not putting or pushing her opinions enough here. It's creepy.

p-edit: ok fair Norwe, but I typed this so to not waste it I will post at least. We can wagon MariaR for now at least no?

About your comment about Aristeia not pushing opinions. I played against scum!her once. ElO. And she was incredibly persistent, logical, argumentative. Pretty much the opposite of here. So yes, i have played with Aristeia before, and in my experience she is not deflated as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i’ll vote Maria depending on VC, what is it currently?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i’ll vote Maria depending on VC, what is it currently?

when did you start scumreading Shea/MariaR

When Shirou posted their reasoning for scumreading Maria which i thought was valid, and i also said i would vote with Shirou if i agreed with their case, and they are my townread so i’m going to consider what they say.
I feel like this should be logical to you so why even ask?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And you’re so obviously tunneled it’s actually funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like you’re asking basic questions that should be obvious to you if you weren’t wearing so much tinfoil. Basically seeing "scum motivation" in the least alignment indicative things ever. So i’m commenting your bias.

[NorwegianboyEE]

it's not a basic question

you've given no read on TSQ/MariaR prior to that

so I'm asking you to explain, in your own words, why you are willing to vote the slot, so I can evaluate your reasoning for myself. that's like... extremely normal and common mafia play. you are only trying to discredit me, you have no other point to any of your rudeness to me

Ok, it’s the discrepancies that Shirou pointed out in their post.
I scumread Maria but i do not agree with the reasonings for Maria/Aristeia team. So i vote Maria because Shirou made good points about the discrepancies they pointed out.
Where was this not clear about any of my previous posts? This is not new information.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or to be clear, i will vote Maria if i get VC. Cus idk what it is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok when i look back, i could have made it a bit more clear about Maria. Basically i read Shirou’s case and thought the points were really good so i am willing to sheep Shirou, if i didn’t agree with the points i would not have sheeped Shirou. It is their reasoning that has led me to believe that it is a good lead.
But contrarywise, i am not sure i agree with the points on Aristeia and Maria being partnered. This is all very clear in my head but not on writing so i apologize if i sometimes think i have made myself much more clear in writing than i have in reality.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also this might be some remaining trauma from Mastina’s push. I know i’m being a bit of a dick. Apologies. I’ll try to be more cool-headed from this post onward.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ya know, I could just disprove that entire wall, but I want to see who jumps on this it's interesting.

Nah you can't, you will just throw some bad excuses at it but it does look like people here could end up buying it

You do know your wall is based on mafia theroy 101 instead of being a valid case regardless of if I'm town or mafia, correct? I mean, you threw in some cute words to try and make it seem appealing but really it isn't that good I've seen good cases before. Little tip for next time.

VOTE: Mariar

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d like to see that draft post before i would consider changing my mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If all MariaR can bring to the table is "confidence" then i’m not gonna trust it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Trying to show off how little a case bothers them with snarky confidence just always makes me unwell because it bribgs up memories of FL!scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh Norwee has more votes than I thought Well. Good then! It’s about time for someone to feel the pressure

I've been resigned for death for a long time now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you have reasons for the Maria vote other than stuff Shirou said? Again, sorry if you’ve said it already and I missed it

I think their tone very wolfy as well. You can add that to the list.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Aka they're calling me "glaringly wolf" just for suspecting them. Way too high confidence which feels to me like wolf trying to using confidence trick to get people on their side and agree with them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also it feels really unlikely that shea gets into that kerfuffle with vpb and bounced if he’s a wolf tho like he knows that it doesn’t matter what’s being said because he goaded it all to happen so he shouldn’t get upset about it
feelings are irrational but dipping after causing that would be gross

Replacement arguments are really bad. Why do you think it makes TSQ town here? Scum can get mad just like town can. It's not an uniquely town indicative action.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also they could have replaced out for some other purpose we don't know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Feels kinda dirty to keep talking about this and speculating, but since this is a point used to argue for TSQ!Town i have to address it.
Why couldn't it just have been replacing out in anger at VP Baltar's behaviour? I think the only like conclusion one can derive from this is that TSQ/Baltar are perhaps unaligned as scum partner, but that doesn't mean TSQ is more likely town from it. Also it could still be Baltar/TSQ having really bad relations despite being scum partners but again this is probably very unlikely. But also exactly what happened in TM2021 between FL and TSQ. Just that TSQ didn't replace out from it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So my conclusion from that is just that TSQ-Baltar are likely unalligned, but not that either of the two are more townie from it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNO if you’re town I like your style

Help me understand why people keep tossing me in their “could be scum” bins and not you

My best guess is the avatar, which gives me an aura of power.

Do you trust your partner?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You haven't really said anything about them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwe if you're about to get limmed I recommend leaving the dance instead. I'm starting to think I may be wrong on Ari being her partner but MariaR is still probably scum.

Is there any difference between leaving VS getting elimmed?
Isn't getting more votes the informative option?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Datisi
Does leaving the dance cause day to not end?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok so that means leaving or getting elimmed has no bearing on when the day ends. Only when deadline ends and two pairs are gone?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In that case i'd rather we get voted out.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No? Two pairs being gone would make 12 players. And that is what causes intermission.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No Norwe, we have 16 alive at the moment, if you leave we're on 14 alive and the day continues

Yeah that's what i said. Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well unless there's a real rush, i don't see why it wouldn't be better to just get voted out for the wagon information and more thoughts on our flip. We have like 6 days remaining.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Ari is town i will be sad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That our love was too bright for this harsh world.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw don't lim me yet i need to continue the story in my PT with Aristeia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I got to type a continuation so i'm content now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd have expected him to up productivity under pressure but he hasn't really.

Idk why this is somehow what people think of me. In fact i am more likely to play worse under pressure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think there's ever been a single game where MariaR hasn't hated my guts and called me obvscum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fireisred protecting me is the weirdest timeline.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fireisred protecting me is the weirdest timeline.

How does it feel to be protected when the post in question protecting you is so bad? Wanna vote them?

They have always been my second choice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fireisred protecting me is the weirdest timeline.

How does it feel to be protected when the post in question protecting you is so bad? Wanna vote them?

They have always been my second choice.

If you vote them I’ll swap and if they flip wolf I promise to not vote you next.

Interesting proposal. Why would you offer this to someone you think is obvscum? Because i can't be partnered with Fireisred?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eh, screw it.
VOTE: FireisRed/Ydrasse

[NorwegianboyEE]

My vote probably won't matter anyway tbf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's a meme way to end the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

None of the players could handle the guilt of forcing Ari/Nor to forcibly leave the game.