I'm on phone but is that really the only progression on me? Mind you it is 2000 posts ago but.In post 4673, fireisredsir wrote:the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061In post 4668, furtiveglance wrote:Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next
did you forget what your read was supposed to be or
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It was already dead by that point. This is not an argument.In post 4687, furtiveglance wrote:
Her content dropped off massively, do you disagree?In post 4673, fireisredsir wrote:
the only read you ever gave on her prior to this was "obvious town" in 2061In post 4668, furtiveglance wrote:Is it just me that can't comprehend a green check on LLD? If Datisi does flip scum, LLD should be next
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That... Progression makes very little sense.
There was a whole subsection of conversation on day 1 about my competence as scum. Not only does the progression og being very town and "couldn't keep it up" not track remotely because I really wasnt scunread at all in early days.
But the logic doesn't track given you saw the posting that centered around that conversation called it town and then conveniently forgot this to mame the arguement that I somehow couldn't maintain my townieness?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Your logic is hollow, is the point I am making.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Still major red flags here.In post 4718, mastina wrote:
I mean.In post 4564, GuiltyLion wrote:if all of my townreads are town then the POE is incredibly incredibly narrow and that is worrying me but I am not sure what to do
Last night confirmed that the entirety of the town council is town. Shea town, Firebringer town, fireisredsir town, Datisi town, me town, Titus town.
The result on LLD is town--given Datisi town, that is absolute.
That's 7/13 as conftown right now.
Which, yes, means the scum pool is quite narrow--but when scum have been denied a seat on the council the entire game, them's the breaks.
There's 3 scum in 6 names.
{Roden, UNOwen, GuiltyLion, ProfessorDrapion, furtiveglance, Enchant}.
We basically have an autowin here.
But that said, I think Drapion is town here.
I lean town on Roden, too.
So that leaves four scum in {UNOwen, GuiltyLion, furtiveglance, Enchant}.
As you are in that pool, you naturally don't like it.
But that pool is absolute.
The seven conftown are conftown.
We have three scum left.
And that's three scum for six slots and you are a candidate.
My preference is furtiveglance > UNOwen = GuiltyLion > Enchant > Roden > ProfessorDrapion.
This feels precisely like the kind of post that scum mastina makes when she's turning the corner and wants to create a wincondition for scum.
honestly, given that the people who are on the side of the King's Power currently believe the game is in auto lock, the only hanging thread that we need to confirm that is Datisi's alignment.
If we kill Datisi and Datisi flips town, we have Mastina/Titus/LLD town and we can appoint another cop, I think? I think we have the space to do that?
And if Datisi flips scum we murder Mastina and we're probably winning there too.
Frankly I just think this is the day to kill Datisi.
I'll say this much, if I suddenly die tonight after doing literally nothing this whole game just because I became confirmed town over the people in the council who are confirmed town with power.... you know what to do as town, right?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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There's a world where this is scum outguessing to achieve this result, you understand that right?In post 4726, mastina wrote:
Drapion the council literally knew who was being protected last night.In post 4571, ProfessorDrapion wrote:What to do is Mastina is fucking WRONG. It’s Narrow cause Mastina can’t open her eyes and realize at least 1 wolf is on the damn council.
A failed kill literally gave the town a mislim.
You could argue that if scum deliberately failed a kill which kept the games on evens, they did so for towncred.
But we went into the night with 13 alive. Failing to kill kept us at 13 rather than 12--which literally gives the town an extra mislim that literally any kill would've stopped.
The scum could've killed literally anyone, except the player(s) the council were protecting.
And that would've kept the game on evens.
Instead, there is a no-kill, and the game went onto odds, giving the town a mislim.
Because the scum didn't know who to kill and in all probability, just shot Firebringer.
Something council members would know not to do.
If we've won an extra miselimination, let's use it to confirm Datisi NOW.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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What's the urgency?In post 4741, Firebringer wrote:I don’t see why we have to clear dats now.
What is the urgency now?
U realize cop power has to go to fireisred ur scumread with all rest of us having two powers LLD
We throw away cop power this second
You've spent the whole game otherizing everyone outside of the council, and I don't trust your power structure not to lose to a team that contains scum in the council.
You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.
Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELOYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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If Datisi town, Titus town.In post 4762, Firebringer wrote:i am high. so it goes to titus which isn't bad i guess to LLD. I don't know what LLD read on Titus is independently tho
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when I was asked if I thought it was FireRed/MAstina/DatisiIn post 4764, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm being more swayed to lim Datisi now and give cop to Titus if he flips town or fireisred if he flips mafia
Andante and Dann is never S/S imo
And I gave the answer "mmm possible but not likely" or something
this is about what I meant, yes.
This + Datisi/Mastina making this play requires someone semi setup to be able to run the game once they run the table sufficiently long enough to put them into a spot to win.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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We're doing this today.
The plan having Titus cop if town and FireRed cop if scum is sufficiently acceptable to me and fits really well IMO.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Probably not in a world where Datisi is town, no.In post 4769, Firebringer wrote:is furtive town to u
In a world where Datisi is scum, almost always.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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1) Mastina wants Furtive dead most of all and would see them flip today.In post 4771, Firebringer wrote:i dont see how theres a connection there.
2) if Datisi scum, Mastina scum almost always IMO
3) if Datisi scum who claimed a fake innocent on a scum partner to give them power, their remaining crew will require some concept of a person who, once the game has been run through and Datisi and Mastina finally die, this person can take it to the end game.
Furtive does not fit this catagory.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In other words, Furtive independently scummy but not able to be scum in a world with Datisi scum IMOYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I mean FB does fit the slot, right?
In a town enough position to be able to endgame once Datisi and Mastina are caught
Resiliant to the Datisi death, wants to delay it as long as possible...
It fits. Not sure that means it's TRUE but it fits.
Anyway if you want to be an actual hero kill Datisi with me.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I won't ever allow a King execution that does not also execute the Prince. Right now it's 3+leader right?In post 4775, Firebringer wrote:Okay i see. That makes sense.
Not gonna vote there but ur pov makes sense.
I did say in council chat as crazy theory talk if dats played the game to get mastina as prince with fake clear and then had somehow organized the kingsguard to kill Shea i would nom him for a scummy for brilliant scum play.
If it comes 2-1 to me, I'll be the 2 that forces no kill.
If it comes 3-0 to me, I'll be the 4 that kills BOTH.
No other outcome will occur under my watch.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Then come kill Datisi with me.In post 4782, fireisredsir wrote:i do actually find furtive's recent posts to be somewhat towny tbhYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Sorry, and I do mean no offense by this, but your opinion need not apply in this circumstance. You're so locked in on the secret circle of the council that ANY opinion you hold will favour them.In post 4784, Firebringer wrote:even in a dats scum world. The only scummy thing ive found about mastina is she townreads me.
That is just bizarre.
You could be scum or just town who is completely fooled. You said it yourself, that you would rather lose without changing your mind than win.
I'm not like that, I want to take the guarantee. Datisi must die for information.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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The plan is already confirmed.In post 4789, fireisredsir wrote:
this has always been the plan tho. we're at 10v3 right? 2 more elims puts us at 9p. we don't need to lim datisi today, i don't think there's that much of a rush? one more check seems better to meIn post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.
Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO
the issue is that we run out of places for the cop to go as the council gets smaller, since people can only have 2 roles
If Datisi is town, it goes to Titus.
If Datisi is scum, it goes to you.
We have the space to make this play, it's BETTER to make this play now.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hey, make that logic with me Mastina,In post 4791, mastina wrote:
What a coincidence.In post 4639, Enchant wrote:I think it's convient how mafia killed all trackers beforehand and when it was in firebringer hands they SUDDENLY got gigaplan to perform save.
I also think it's convenient how after the scum's kill failed last night, for SOME reason, we have players pushing Firebringer! (Or fireisredsir.)
It's almost like maybe, just maybe, the scum are upset at not getting their kill on the trackerthistime.
Come on. I dare you. I just got cop cleared. I've been pushing against FireRed for days. I've been calling the tracker deaths sus for as long too.
Tell me I'm scum who is using this from convenience.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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yeah this is 100% logical. As long as we have space to assign another cop (we do) there's 0 sense in killing dats and doing the work for the town. of course if dats is scum that's also a great cover but yes, this is logicalIn post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that.
Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our booksYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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More space to operate with the same amount of information.In post 4795, fireisredsir wrote:
why is it better now? i don't get what we gainIn post 4792, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
The plan is already confirmed.In post 4789, fireisredsir wrote:
this has always been the plan tho. we're at 10v3 right? 2 more elims puts us at 9p. we don't need to lim datisi today, i don't think there's that much of a rush? one more check seems better to meIn post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You want to give Dats 1 more day, 1 more investigation? that's the most I'm willing to give.
Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO
the issue is that we run out of places for the cop to go as the council gets smaller, since people can only have 2 roles
If Datisi is town, it goes to Titus.
If Datisi is scum, it goes to you.
We have the space to make this play, it's BETTER to make this play now.
Like, what happens when we wait for tomorrow? How is that better? As it stands once we kill Datisi we have MORE information that the person we hand cop to will be town than ever before, we have MORE space to act on that information and decide if furtive or tohers are good elimiantions.
Killing Datisi first costs us 0 cop checks, it HAS to happen anyway, and gives us more info faster.
What's the DOWNSIDE here?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Oh please we both know there are at least 5 players in this game who would purposefully shoot into a JK to try and do this clear. Double if you're already gambiting on the cop stuff.In post 4807, mastina wrote:
Yes, which is why the council is all town--the council had the information of where the protections were headed.In post 4702, furtiveglance wrote:Information is information.
There was no kill last night.
So either the scum deliberately didn't make a kill in spite of that directly giving the town more info (giving them an extra mislim and giving Datisi another check)...
...Or the scum didn't have the info of where the protections were headed.
One of those seems far simpler to me!
But if you want to prove me wrong, all you have to do is help me kill Datisi, Mastina.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Come on, Datisi town means you titus and I are guaranteed town and they can't kill all of us.
And we get another cop check from a confirmed town Titus. Who we can protect, I believe. Right?
So I mean, it seems flawless to me.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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The 5 are:In post 4810, Firebringer wrote:Who are the 4 other crazy mofos
Shea
Me
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and before you say you would never do that, come on now.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Forever is not required. Who wants to live forever anyway?In post 4814, fireisredsir wrote:are we able to guarantee that we can protect the cop if necessary forever? i don't think we can guarantee that
I would wager... 1 night, maybe 2 would do the trick. If Datisi is town and Titus becomes cop, we can protect Titus.
Also, if Titus dies, doesn't one of the current kingsguard become the lord commander of the knightswatch... and join the council?Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I want to again, remind that if Titus becomes cop and dies, doesn't another slot on the council open? Like I could become a council member via that methodIn post 4821, fireisredsir wrote:scum shoot the doctor i mean, obviously
cops can't shoot people they would never do thatYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm being honest I don't see how it's different mechanically to lim Datisi now or tomorrow, and I know the difference in information we will have doing a non-datisi elim today vs post-datisi flip.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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To me there is exactly 0 downside to eliminating Datisi right now.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This assumes Datisi is infact town.In post 4831, Firebringer wrote:i mean killing a good town asset is always a downside.
This is why i argued against titus suggestion when she just said to not check u and just limming u.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm gonna petition this directly to you as well.In post 4832, Thestatusquo wrote:Pooky has very actively refused to answer any questions about whether or not we can actually put new people on the council.
Since you're king, I want you to look at the logic I'm presenting for killing Datisi today. If you agree, and if the town won't follow through...
please consider exexcution.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I understand the value you're trying to perserve. I'm not a whole mechanics player either, but so much of our game hinges on the swing between these two worlds. Datisi has become a mechanical anchor of information, a pinata that needs to be opened.In post 4838, Firebringer wrote:@LLD i dont get ur response.
Titus said u weren't worth a check because u were being detrimental to the town. I said that isn't a good reason to lim a Town!LLD. My point is limming a person because they could be scum when they are very good player and or you don't actually scumread them. Is in my opinion just paranoia based play that i don't think is good. But we disagree here so theres no point in me arguing this anymore.
I would rather see pushes on dats that has a read on them.
I see ur arguments of why mechanically its good. But im like not a "lets play 100% optimally to the mechanics so break this game" kind of person. Maybe this means im terrible and need to get good. I find this gamesmanshiping unfun. I have strong feeling on town dats. But w/e.
Done arguing. I have a deadline for work so im going to get back to it.
this is the fate of all cops in small town setups. they must be verified.
i'm not going to say we kill datisis before they give last will and testament but... they need to die and it should be todayYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I don't really give a shit what you think Datisi is. If Dats is scum, you're always scum here so of course you say this?In post 4840, mastina wrote:
Lylo is at 7 players.In post 4761, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Because Datisi HAS to be cleared to confirm their results. It must happen and it cannot afford to occur JUST at ELO
The day before lylo is 9 players.
We are at 13 players--literally two day phases away from that. (As a reminder: we GAINED an elimination due to the lack of deaths. It'd have been onlyoneif literally anyone died last night. 12p gives mylo after two mislims. 13p gives mylo after three.)
I've no interest in eliminating a player I think is 100% guaranteed to be town right now when in those two days we can get two more check and quite probably just win the game outright, thankyouverymuch. One or two scum in those days, with two extra checks that can help narrow things down even further or just outright give us a guilty.
Also, I'm not letting this thing happen where we wait to kill Dats until the DAY BEFORE ELO and then have NO FUCKIGN SPACE to work in.
Your logic is fucking bad and you know that. It's better to have miselims with MORE info than less.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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^thisIn post 4843, GuiltyLion wrote:Yeah also it's not just resolving Datisi a Datisi townflip literally 100% clears three players
That's valuable in and of itselfYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I know I still sort of scum read you and will probably revert to suspecting you in worlds where Datisi flips town (though furtive goes first I think, you really did sell me on furtive scum).In post 4846, fireisredsir wrote:i agree that datisi needs to die
im not even that confident that he's town. i thought he was more likely scum earlier and now my main reason for thinking that he's town is that idk how he wins as scum here and it feels like he would be doing something else to give him a better chance of winning (or if it's already unwinnable then maybe not trying so hard lol)
i just don't really feel like it needs to be today. i think we have a good chance at flipping a scum in the standard poe today and i would prefer to try to do that, and if we can't then we can go to datisi tomorrow
maybe that's not mechanically optimal, i think you're probably right, so i won't push for that i guess. my opposition to it might be on a more philosophical level
But you should strongly consider my arguments from a mechanical lens and a "what loses us the game" lens and playing around it.
And if you still can't find your way to killing dats today I get it but I think it's the wrong move.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm very interested in the answer to this one, and how she will inevitably argue from the position it's bad and find an argument, as opposed to the other way around.In post 4851, fireisredsir wrote:mastina. if datisi flips town aren't we like still in a very good spot? i don't particularly like it but i don't think it's gamethrowing to confirm the checks and then people can actually focus on the correct (in that world) poeYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Hey welcome to the team! It's called the killing Datisi today team.In post 4853, Roden wrote:My main problem with the scum kills is that we literally told scum we would vote out Datisi the Day before ELO. If we somehow don't hit scum for the next two Days, then Datisi has five green checks when we hit 9 players left. If Datisi is town when we elim him there then we have 5 conftown vs 3 scum...there's zero way to mis-elim anyone in that ELO.
They aren't killing conftowns, just Trackers who never got confirmed. They aren't stopping the Cop in any way, even though they were directly told that our conftowns will outnumber the scum team by the time we reach ELO.
Somebody make this make sense.
Please lend us your vote.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This is also bad logic.In post 4859, mastina wrote:
And wouldn't ya know it?In post 4796, Firebringer wrote:The whole council was saying dats wasn't going to be killed because the lot of you were pushing for a mislim on him and dats agreed with that. Theres no reason for scum to kill dats when u all do it for them, that is why we decided no protection for dats. If scum wanted to clear up paranoia on dats that was okay in our books
Today every vote except for those on the furtiveglance wagon has been a vote on a council member!
I wonder why?
How many times will we allow Mastina to make these nothingburger insinuative points that hold nothing and say nothing and prove nothing before we stop fucking accepting them.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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God that's always fun to hear.In post 4865, mastina wrote:
Oh you, you I'm not talking to because I don't want to get banned.In post 4797, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hey, make that logic with me Mastina,
I have fucking WORDS I would like to say but I'm onverythin ice with the mafiascum mod teams (as-is I might still get banned anyway), so like. I can't say what I want to.
"I'm really toxic and might get banned, so I'm not talking to you so I dno't be even MORE toxic and DEFINITELY get banned"
I didn't even do shit to you, lmfao.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Datisi is not guaranteed townIn post 4869, mastina wrote:
It's guaranteed to be an elimination on town rather than on scum.In post 4799, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:What's the DOWNSIDE here?
Just to satiate the paranoia of ONE fucking player that's town along with doingexactlywhat the scum want.
That seems like a pretty fucking huge downside to me!
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Come on Mastina, let's hear the response to this nonsense.In post 4871, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
God that's always fun to hear.In post 4865, mastina wrote:
Oh you, you I'm not talking to because I don't want to get banned.In post 4797, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hey, make that logic with me Mastina,
I have fucking WORDS I would like to say but I'm onverythin ice with the mafiascum mod teams (as-is I might still get banned anyway), so like. I can't say what I want to.
"I'm really toxic and might get banned, so I'm not talking to you so I dno't be even MORE toxic and DEFINITELY get banned"
I didn't even do shit to you, lmfao.
Let's hear what it is that was so bad that you feel like saying bannable things?
Is it "LLD Suspected you"?
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This is bad logic, again. The plan continues to give us another cop who can do more checks and ICs we can actually rely on and eliminates a real viable world where there are problems if we don't remove it.In post 4881, mastina wrote:
The flaw is that I don't want to eliminate town that satiates YOUR paranoia and YOURS ALONE, when you areIn post 4811, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:So I mean, it seems flawless to me.being backed by scum in doing so.
I would much prefer we actually fucking lim the scum now and let the scum be boxed in further.
A Datisi mislimopens doorsto the scum.
An elimination on one of the six possible scum slots boxes scum in even if it's a mislim.
We either get five names with two scum, or five names with three scum.
If the scum kill Datisi to stop the cop check, well waddaya know? Eliminating Datisi isn't necessary anymore!
If the scum don't kill Datisi and let the cop check go through, we've got:
-four names with three scum (if inno + mislim)
-five names with two scum (if scum lim + inno)
-Or four names with confscum (if guilty + mislim)
In every world, eliminating Datisi today is doing the scum's job for them and preventing us from narrowing the PoE down further.
But your idea is to let it go until the day before ELO, and if you are scum that's great because now you and Datisi both die, kill anyone remotely townie remaining and leave your last person to clean it up.
If I'm wrong about that, killing Datisi now doesn't cost us a thing.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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yes but you have a killable face :3In post 4883, Firebringer wrote:
imagine me as cop.In post 4872, Roden wrote:Honestly, would we even be having this conversation if the Cop was literally anyone besides Datisi
there would be no hesitation to end me today.
(this is a joke)Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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fuckIn post 4885, Firebringer wrote:i read it as a joke but then it was ruined by including the disclaimer.
rip
but if i don't include the disclaimer i might hurt someone
shit this is a catch 22Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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spoken like a true expertIn post 4889, Firebringer wrote:
got to small print it and put more spaces so it gives a few more seconds for reader to see the joke before getting to disclaimer.In post 4887, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
fuckIn post 4885, Firebringer wrote:i read it as a joke but then it was ruined by including the disclaimer.
rip
but if i don't include the disclaimer i might hurt someone
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IFF you blindly believe Datisi is town, which I DON'T. It's less info EXPLICITLY if you have no concerns. You seem to be the only one who doesn't get this.In post 4894, mastina wrote:
I don't give a fuck what YOU think about Datisi because as far as I am concerned he's conftown.In post 4842, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I don't really give a shit what you think Datisi is.
No, yours is the bad logic--yes it's better to have mislims with more info than less.In post 4842, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Your logic is fucking bad and you know that. It's better to have miselims with MORE info than less.
A Datisi elimination REMOVES information. It doesn't give information. It REMOVES information. So your logic is the logic that fucking sucks because YOU are actively campaigning for a plan that woulddeprive the town of information.
You said it yourself; it's better to have mislims with more information than less, but a Datisi elimination isn't an elimination which gives info.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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You arrogantly act as if your solve is the only solve that matters and your world is the only one which is true but it's not.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I would like to remind everyone that another Datisi check doesn't actually change the math. If Datisi is town, Titus gets to make that check from a townie for us.
If Datisi is scum, it's just another wasted empty cop check for people to point and go "oh is this one scum"?
We need to cop shuffle and that begins with killing Datisi TODAY.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Because it's easier to dismiss me as angry than it is to engage with me. Sadly.In post 4966, GuiltyLion wrote:
??? Who is she pocketed by, and why are you characterizing her as angry?In post 4964, Titus wrote:Because LLD is pocketed and angry.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I'm pitching this to you in the most humble way I can.In post 4963, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm unclear on why today over a later day?
I don't have the votes to kill Datisi today, I don't think. So at this point you understanding why this is valuable is key.
If anything I argue here does not parse for you let me know.
We live in one of two worlds, a world where Datisi is town and the game is more or less locked down.
And a world where Datisi is scum and we are in danger.
If Datisi is town and I am wrong to worry, what do we lose? We lose Datisi, obviously, but the cop goes to Titus and we can protect Titus so we continue to get results.
Additionally in this world there is no paranoia. All Datisi and Titus results are confirmed.
So that is the outcome if Datisi is town. If Datisi is scum, we never had a good cop to begin with so extra Datisi checks are useless, and knowing this in advance ans switching the cop to FireRed is advantageous for town. Provides actual checks.
Additionally, it gives us extra days to solve this problem we wouldn't otherwise have. Right now we are 10-3 which means we have 3 MLs minus duels. Each round we delay, the math looks worse.
I understand thar Datisi is a valuable resource but we are currently puttinf our eggs in one basket. We are best diversifying now and using that advantage ee gained by virtue of the lack of kill last nightYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yeah people need to understand that scum Datisi will make the following play.
Not die today.
Kill LLD tonight.
Get a red check on GL tomorrow.
Flip GL as town
And then Datisi dies and we have 1 ML and no info beyond Datisi clesred some people falsely which ones are bad.
That is a huge loss for us, more or less.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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It's a mech solve if Datisi is town and we check Datisi today too.In post 4986, Titus wrote:
I have a chicago cubs hat. This game is just on mech solve unless Datisi scum.In post 4981, furtiveglance wrote:ayo sssshhhh keep it quiet
Do you even think I'm Mafia Titus? You just said let's wrap it up. I don't want to be wrapped up, I'm not a Christmas present
We test that world at elo plus 1 day.
Game is just simple follow the cop. I don't need to think. There's no VCA to do. I'm just bored. Not going to help scum though.
The only difference between doing it today and TWO DAYS FROM NOW lile Titus is suggesting is the world where Datisi is scum becomes WAY harder for town to win in.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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It's a mech solve for the win if Datisi flips town today.
It's a mech solve for the win if Datisi is town in ALL worlds.
But we lose out if Datisi is scum and we wait on it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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It's not tomorrow.
We are 10-3.
If furtive flips town and scum shoots, 8-3.
If we flip another townie and then scum shoots, 6-3
One more is 4-3
And then we are in ELO.
3 missed eliminations with no duels is what we currently have.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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This is precisely my world view. I am not the best at... Being concise so this helps. This is where I am.In post 5000, fireisredsir wrote:i think if we're in the datisi town world we win and this doesn't really hurt us that much
i think the datisi scum world potentially becomes a concern sooner than i originally thought
the biggest point for me is that none of the checks have died. i think scum would have to basically be throwing in a town datisi world for that to happenYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 5001, Titus wrote:
Posts like this make me not want to follow you LLD.In post 4994, GuiltyLion wrote:I'm starting to think we fucked up bad by putting Titus as LC
Imagine the world where Datisi/Titus/mastina are scum. They are close to a scum king, a fake guilty tomorrow may be game winning already
What am I meant to do about it? If Datisi flips town as you predict this take won't matter. And if they flip scum... Its reasonable to suspect people who were checked.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Okay but I'm not scum, I'm not raging and more importantly I am the one accepting both worlds (Datisi town, Datisi scum)In post 5003, Titus wrote:
That's the rub though, I don't have a good response to what scum are doing beyond raging.In post 5000, fireisredsir wrote:i think if we're in the datisi town world we win and this doesn't really hurt us that much
i think the datisi scum world potentially becomes a concern sooner than i originally thought
the biggest point for me is that none of the checks have died. i think scum would have to basically be throwing in a town datisi world for that to happen
As far as I can tell your plan for If Datisi Scum is "dont worry about it" but I'm pretty worried about it.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 5008, fireisredsir wrote:sometimes i want games to be easy so much that i start believing that they are
they almost never are
im a little too willing to handwave away valid concerns and push and suppress them down to the back of my mind and hope i don't have to worry about them
it's a weakness i think, and it's lost town several games. i hope im not being dumb here and overcorrecting in trying to counter that tendency
My opinion is that we are hedging against a bad world but giving up very little to do so. I don't think this would be considered overcorrecting, I mean... The math is all sort of there.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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