Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

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Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.

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Meg, is there any public information about Dusk/Dawn phases? Are they different?

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VOTE: Professotic

Entrance posts wolfy

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VOTE: Professotic

Entrance posts wolfy

dare u to vote dongle

Why Dongle apart from the sus username

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I'm looking for someone to kill.

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"Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post."

I actually felt like it wasn't worded for a wishy washy read. I felt it was worded strongly for a wishy washy read and then you went downgrading it as it went questioned. It just doesn't fit with tone is all I'm saying but I'm just gonna keep note of that for now

Why do you think that the way I phrase my posts is alignment indicative?

~Greeting

I just said it bugged me cause it has tone-meaning inconsistency. It's not "alignment indicative" on its own at least.

what are your reads besides that "level 0" town read on my slot from everything else that's being said?

I don't believe you'd expect me to declare you town with 100% certainty so early. But I do think that post is indicative of you being town. I don't think that if you were scum, you'd make such a post just to maintain a facade.

As for my other reads, I will speak of them later. Maybe after I've consulted with Aisa first.

~Greeting

I actually didn't expect anyone to declare me town or a town read for that post in any way cause its clarealy and so obviously not alignment indicative - at least not on its own -. It can be from a town perception analyzing the game and mod post and talking out loud about something I bet more people thought about as well but probably kept silent about it or from a scum informed perspective looking like they are dropping value in the game while adding almost nothing to the table

But that doesn't matter to me as much as how you contradicted yourself on tone there in a way later on, at first saying yeah its a town read and both heads of hydra fully agree and then falling back on the read and claiming its just a hunch practically without any other development in game to justify the tone switch. Like I don't hold people responsible that much for their page 2 reads but I'm looking for people developments from one point to another to judge if it was faked or not

Then there is Radja still fixating on the read itself there without declaring a read for himself. He keeps suggesting it was faked without taking that stance I mean.

let me rephrase that, I think Radja could have announce his own read on the thing he is pushing Bunnyonce for at this point or at least to say its NAI instead of sidelining on the read itself, dropping lines about how its faked without him declaring that he thinks that what it was.

Scarecrow or mastina having different takes on it doesn't concern me at all. Its the attidues behind side taking that's not felling right in this interaction

Both Bunnyonce and I think FA is town for this

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I'm about to clear myself as town

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

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Full disclosure: Yume was just prodded

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I have neeglected this game a bit, I'll get to it tomorrow

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Prodge/suspicion dodge

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Prodge/suspicion dodge

Sorry, follow up is that I understand the scumreading of FA but decided not to vote them because I think there is town in their awkwardness/pricklyness.

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MMR is town, PPF townlean, professotic townlean. I could vote Bunnyonce or T-Bone, but I'll choose when I've read more

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I feel like this game has been going for a while now and there's many slots that haven't really done much.

Enchant

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T-Bone

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furtiveglance

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~Greeting

I'm sorry for this. I think prof is town and there are some very bad votes on them.

I want to vote Dingle for their bandwagoning crimes

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

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Prodge/suspicion dodge

Sorry, follow up is that I understand the scumreading of FA but decided not to vote them because I think there is town in their awkwardness/pricklyness.

I want you to elaborate on your understanding of it and the reasons you didnt

I'm on mobile but what if the word 'vibes' answered your question?

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VOTE: Radja

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VOTE: Maid Cafe

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VOTE: Maid Cafe

hey whats the thought process here

They = sus, all bad posts.

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MMR is town, PPF townlean, professotic townlean. I could vote Bunnyonce or T-Bone, but I'll choose when I've read more

I feel like this game has been going for a while now and there's many slots that haven't really done much.

Enchant

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T-Bone

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furtiveglance

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~Greeting

I'm sorry for this. I think prof is town and there are some very bad votes on them.

I want to vote Dingle for their bandwagoning crimes

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

VOTE: Radja

VOTE: Maid Cafe

VOTE: Maid Cafe

hey whats the thought process here

They = sus, all bad posts.

I could say the same about you tbh.

Yeah but my posts are kinda openly bad. It's not scummy.

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I should also say this.

TicTac said the following things in

wolf chat

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Mastina should know them best and shouldn’t be wolf reading them here if they are town.
PPF’s hydra members (Titus and Nancy) apparently have reverse reads.
Says that one should be town reading him and the other should be incorrectly wolf reading him.
But it’s somehow vice versa or whatever.

ayo

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I don't think it's Prof or Radja anymore. Don't think it's Mastina either

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I think Prof saying 'wolf chat' is a bit of a dead end because they are clearly in a hydra chat.

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I have to work unfortunately but will get to this on my break.

If you can’t wait that long my ISO has plenty of reasons.

I can wait, most of the reasons I remember were in the Mastina v you filler that I (mostly) skimmed. Most of Mastina's post just make me go "Yeah that's her alright" but it'd be the same as flipping a coin if you asked me what she ends up being.

Looks like I won’t get a long dedicated break until late tonight

The gist is
Mastina is not looking at the overarching game and instead hyper focusing (see above for difference)
Her posts seem to be factually correct but overall meaningless (Eg town and scum exist in the game. Well duh)
The things that aren’t meaningless are skewed in a weird way (Eg the 52% is well within the standard deviation. If I do something as town or scum then by definition it’s NAI. Her *best* example of me being scum is NAI. That should tell you I am not scum)

I'll even wagon Mastina to see where it goes for a bit.

I shall be the white knight to defend the poor helpless top wagons.

Or you could help by replacing the top wagons

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@FA, what do you think of Radja's explanation of why they commented on our post, but not other similar posts?

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Don't think it's Mastina either

Why not?

-Aisa

Just seems towny n that. Granted I only have 1 towngame of experience with em but still

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As a low tier player, it's time to make an audacious read. Professotic/Mastina/MathBlade/FrozenAngel are all town. MMR and PPF are town. Everyone else is basically in the null stew but I'd prefer not to vote Radja because everyone seems happy to vote them.

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A few thoughts:
1) I like this votecount format, the lines between the wagons helps a lot.
2) 4 of my townreads are on Mastina but I don't think it's a good vote still. Pre-empting the 'why wouldn't scum get on' argument, I feel like they don't really need to.
3) Radical Rat's vote for T-Bone may be worth following because both slots seem to be null/scum for a lot of people, and they aren't on a team.
4) I was/am assuming 13/2/2 in terms of the numbers, maybe with a recruit or something. 11/3/3 seems too scumsided if both teams have a kill.
5) I would like more votes on Maid Cafe, but I'm also happy to lend traction to other wagons by voting: Radical Rat/T-Bone (preference T-Bone), Bunnyonce, Yume, Child of Fairies, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow or Enchant.

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Is MathBlade softing Cult Recruiter? I missed it

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Clearly /sarcasm (obviously sarcastic)

Can you explain what role Mastina thinks you're crumbing? Do you know? Is this something I 'wouldn't understand'?

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Clearly /sarcasm (obviously sarcastic)

Can you explain what role Mastina thinks you're crumbing? Do you know? Is this something I 'wouldn't understand'?

No I can’t.

I can however know she is incorrect in my role due to some posts she made.

Without outright claiming and explaining, I can’t explain more.

So you two definitely know each other are scum but can't say why.....and you both have the same mysterious and OP power role.

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Think of it like this:

Imagine Mastina said my favorite color was one of yellow red or blue.

She posts a big post saying “I must be yellow red or blue because blah blah blah”

My favorite color is purple and I damn near said as much before.

So her arguing that tells me she is incorrect.

Ok I like this, it's kind of cryptic yet simple. What if Mastina is a primary colour and you're Purple? Aka T/T?

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Clearly /sarcasm (obviously sarcastic)

Can you explain what role Mastina thinks you're crumbing? Do you know? Is this something I 'wouldn't understand'?

No I can’t.

I can however know she is incorrect in my role due to some posts she made.

Without outright claiming and explaining, I can’t explain more.

So you two definitely know each other are scum but can't say why.....and you both have the same mysterious and OP power role.

I have said why Mastina is scum. Several times and the fact there’s a wagon means I am doing a decent job.

And no. Mastina is arguing we have similar roles in order to try to get me to claim.

If we actually had similar roles she wouldn’t care and the problem takes care of itself.

Based on what she had said I find it highly unlikely we have the same role.

What if Mastina is a different power role and has misinterpreted your cryptic crumbs?

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T-Bone is cult ^

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T-Bone is cult ^

So come at the King you best not miss.

Please do better. At least place your vote where your shade is.

My shade is a spreadshot

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I am thinking Mastina and furtive are teamed.

Mastina is town for me, T-Bone's vote is a scum pile-on.

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To be clear I TR TBone rather heavily and doubt it is a scum pile on.

How do you TR them so much but not me it's not fair

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I am thinking Mastina and furtive are teamed.

Mastina is town for me, T-Bone's vote is a scum pile-on.

It's cute that you think that.

But rather telling that you're looking for permission to commit to it. It's not a real read.

It's completely real, I just have more than one scumread. The reason I haven't voted you is because I have a follower on Maid Cafe.

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To be clear I TR TBone rather heavily and doubt it is a scum pile on.

How do you TR them so much but not me it's not fair

Because I bow down to moderator loyalty *joking*

Nah it’s because we’re vibing

Vibing = they voted with me

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OOC: To be clear, my Listmod status doesn't have anything to do with my alignment, how people should read me, or my skill level. Since there are people I haven't played with before an on this playerlist, I wanna make sure no one takes jokes about my modship seriously.

What I can't sus you because you're a listmod? #unfair

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I am thinking Mastina and furtive are teamed.

Mastina is town for me, T-Bone's vote is a scum pile-on.

Well your normally wrong on reads so this doesn’t surprise me.

Says the guy who faked a guilty in LOST!

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@furtive
Be smart.

One wolf team is legit all outed right now.
Stay focused.

Jarvis, turn on focus mode.

Wow now im focused n i agree with everything u say

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T-Bone shift from Radja to Mastina automatically narrows down to two worlds.

T-Bone is Town
T-Bone is exactly wolves with Radja and voted for distancing.

So I’m considering T-Bone my high town.

But this all relies on Mastina being scum. Which I don't think is even the case. If you look at T-Bone in isolation, they aren't worthy of a TR.

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How is everyone confirmable with a cool role D:

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That’s where I come in.

As long as I’m not going psycho like I did with Titus, I can find wolves fairly easily.

I am feeling a bit demotivated by the mastina v MathBlade fight. My reads are stale, but I felt they're both town. I don’t have the energy to seing this but I really hope to.
~Titus

Seeing as we 'mindmeld' on this important issue, shall we create a 'round table' of sorts for reasonable towners? I would be happy including MMR, Radical Rat, possibly Bunnyonce.

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That’s where I come in.

As long as I’m not going psycho like I did with Titus, I can find wolves fairly easily.

I am feeling a bit demotivated by the mastina v MathBlade fight. My reads are stale, but I felt they're both town. I don’t have the energy to seing this but I really hope to.
~Titus

Seeing as we 'mindmeld' on this important issue, shall we create a 'round table' of sorts for reasonable towners? I would be happy including MMR, Radical Rat, possibly Bunnyonce.

I'm ok with this. Who should we prioritize reading?

~Titus

I have a kill list. It's Maid Cafe, T-Bone, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Enchant mostly.

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That’s where I come in.

As long as I’m not going psycho like I did with Titus, I can find wolves fairly easily.

I am feeling a bit demotivated by the mastina v MathBlade fight. My reads are stale, but I felt they're both town. I don’t have the energy to seing this but I really hope to.
~Titus

Seeing as we 'mindmeld' on this important issue, shall we create a 'round table' of sorts for reasonable towners? I would be happy including MMR, Radical Rat, possibly Bunnyonce.

I'm ok with this. Who should we prioritize reading?

~Titus

I have a kill list. It's Maid Cafe, T-Bone, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Enchant mostly.

Without resetting, I could do Enchant. I think Nancy had an issue with DDS (but I could be misremembering). I like TBone not jumping in on Math v mastina. Why is he on your kill list?

~Titus

Filler posts

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Filler posts

Wait till you learn that I make taunting posts, nonsecquiturs, and pagetops for no reason.

Yeah this is just more filler. Your vote on Mastina is one of your only serious posts and it's for making a 'bonkers' post which actually looks like a regular Mastina post to me.

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I think Math v Mastina is tvt and I’m willing to die on that hill.

Yeah me too.

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Radical Rat and Yume have gone up in my reads. I feel like there aren't many/any high-posting scum. FOS on DDS, Enchant, Maid Cafe. I haven't enjoyed Scarfmanship's entrance either - there's a sort of nervous self-awareness to posts like 1153

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Ok great, but are you gonna take action and steer the game in any other direction or just say that?

VOTE: Scarfmanship

PPF, are you gonna take action with me?

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You don't have the guts.

This is the kind of post I love to make as scum - it looks like scum has no motivation to make it. But town also has no motivation to make it. It's just designed to confuse

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I'm officially announcing that Scarfmanship is the counter wagon to Mastina.

This is not a mod announcement.

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mastina guide looks complex

You are maf

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VOTE: Enchant

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Is Maria STD's replacement?

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I think the fact that several players have blinkers on right now is harming the gamestate. This would change after a Mastina elimination, but I still would prefer to vote a scumread of mine today. I don't see too much point in voting Mastina off today, when the likeliest outcome of D2 is MathBlade shooting Mastina.

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I think the fact that several players have blinkers on right now is harming the gamestate. This would change after a Mastina elimination, but I still would prefer to vote a scumread of mine today. I don't see too much point in voting Mastina off today, when the likeliest outcome of D2 is MathBlade shooting Mastina.

Again Dusk 2 oe Day 2 dayvig

This means can’t fire until the “Day 3 or Day 4” in the traditional sense

So we do Day 1, then Night 1, then Dusk 1 or something?

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I think the fact that several players have blinkers on right now is harming the gamestate. This would change after a Mastina elimination, but I still would prefer to vote a scumread of mine today. I don't see too much point in voting Mastina off today, when the likeliest outcome of D2 is MathBlade shooting Mastina.

Rn, I think scarfman or Radja. You seem to have meta on scarfman, so I’m willing to sheep you there. As for NM. I have 0 read on him one way or the other.

I don't have meta on Scarfman, but my Enchant vote got some 'no no no' feedback so sure.

VOTE: Scarfmanship

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I accidentally put that in a two line post in which i also address someone else asking me a nonfriendly question?

Mathblade, I...

You tell them they weren’t supposed to do something

How were they supposed to know if any sort of plan without a PT?

By reading my mind. Most people know how to do this, if you have to ask, you're not one of them.

They said most people could read their mind, not that I specifically could.

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I accidentally put that in a two line post in which i also address someone else asking me a nonfriendly question?

Mathblade, I...

You tell them they weren’t supposed to do something

How were they supposed to know if any sort of plan without a PT?

By reading my mind. Most people know how to do this, if you have to ask, you're not one of them.

They said most people could read their mind, not that I specifically could.

It’s just a really odd thing to say.

I have one explanation: Cultist behaviour

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Okay I did my busy work. If I had to guess Enchant, Mathblade, and then all the Nulls might be too high, and maybe Furtive is too low (but no one has ever engaged me there so I will take your collective silence as approval)

Ask your questions if you have them? I think anyone below null I’d be willing to eliminate but I’d prefer an outcome in my scum lean set. Anyway this exercise helped me visually what I think about the player list better.

Spoiler: Reads 1.0

Town Lean
Frozen Angel
Nancy and the Nancettes

Null Lean
Radical Rat
Enchant
Proffessotic
Maid Cafe (confirmed in my heart)
MathBlade

Null
Scafmanship
MMR
Bunnyonce
STD

Scum Lean
Mastina
Radja
Furtive
Yume
DDS

MMR and Yume are pretty obvious town is my main note. But yeah I do feel peeved that you've just omgussed me and blamed other people for not 'engaging you'.

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What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

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What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

I don't think that much counterwagons have taken off.
I guess that either people want the Day to end or they are SRing mastina the most.
-Rubella

I do want this day to end, it's boring and no one's listening to me.

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Yeah it's just a game. I think this flips town as well. I've tried to create counter wagons but we all seem to disagree on who, and I think there are more pushers than defenders of mastina anyway.

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Yeah it's just a game. I think this flips town as well. I've tried to create counter wagons but we all seem to disagree on who, and I think there are more pushers than defenders of mastina anyway.

Actually a lot of people agree on DDS but no one wants to vote there for some mysterious reason. Maybe they are being influenced by a spectral wolf.

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

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Yeah it's just a game. I think this flips town as well. I've tried to create counter wagons but we all seem to disagree on who, and I think there are more pushers than defenders of mastina anyway.

Actually a lot of people agree on DDS but no one wants to vote there for some mysterious reason. Maybe they are being influenced by a spectral wolf.

VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

Yet you won't vote the scum read you've been crowing on about all day.

Whomst

I have a few scumreads, none of which seem to be getting any traction. I really just want a non-Mastina vote to give that wagon some competition. Obviously embarrassing for me if Mastina is cult. But I don't think she is so.......

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Wait, furtive, can you get back on Scarfman?
I was going to vote them to make a mini wagon. I have, like, a mini gut townread on DDS.

VOTE: Scarfmanship

Also: Ydrasse you legend

-Aisa

Why not vote them before I moved my vote? We're not very good at wagon building are we......

VOTE: Scarfmanship

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tentatively hedging on furtive being town but not confident in that

in datisi's cafe by the end i thought his tone was erm. well. atrocious frankly and im not getting that here but i also thought he was town at the beginning of that game too so lol

I'm serious this time.

Group scum/lonely scum difference

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Lmao sorry. I kept being like "Hmm, maybe if I keep skimming this game for ten minutes a day, Greeting and I will eventually align on a scumread and then I will push it".

Turns out that that, uh, hasn't happened so I've decided to think pragmatically.

I think there's also someone who criticised us for being super lukewarm on RR and

not really

trying to build a counterwagon and I think that's fair soo yeah.

-Aisa

What if Greeting gets on and unvotes

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I think Mastina's on 6/7 and Scarf is now on 4?

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Ok, I maintain that due to the nature of the setup, mafia will always be found in the people not taking action and they will continue to take advantage of you. Figure it out yourselves.

You didn't just get hammered, but thanks for the advice

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Bunny has now overtaken MMR in person I want to vote the most. More news at 11

I don't agree with these reads, and Maid Cafe is sus for this.

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Prof is town guys

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Prof is town guys

I want to see where this goes

If he is town he’s sure not thinking logically.

I think the idea of rationality being +town might be slightly outdated.

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Being bad at mafia isn't a scumtell, and I think people voting for him for essentially that is sus. He shouldn't have moved his vote off his top scumread to start another vanity vote but a bad move is a bad move.

But on the flip side Prof is acting like he got caught for the wrong reasons. So like...?

What points to 'caught for wrong reasons' to you?

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I also solved the game but won't say who the scum are for fairness reasons.

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I also solved the game but won't say who the scum are for fairness reasons.

What do you mean?

Even if you’re right you have to convince people.

This is sketchy.

No it’s not.
I’ll defend furtive here.

It is though.

Furtive is on neither wagon.

If furtive has solved it he should take stances on it.

Currently it’s 6 v 5

I am intentionally sidelining to see responses.

I have solved it and it's Town/Town, hence I'm voting neither.

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I am struggling on Furtive, as the sudden switch to Prof gave him and out on the day with everything scum!Furtive should want.

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I want a scum flip. And I feel like we're further away from one now than we've been all day.

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I am struggling on Furtive, as the sudden switch to Prof gave him and out on the day with everything scum!Furtive should want.

?

I want a scum flip. And I feel like we're further away from one now than we've been all day.

I don't get what you mean. The switch to prof gave me an out? Are you saying I'm scum with Mastina?

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1 Radical Rat - seems kinda town, not a huge townread as they could be scum putting some effort in. But leaning town.
2 Mastina - seems kinda obvtown to me, I'm not sure they're pushing in the right places though (Prof/FA).
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - Obvtown, scumreads here are pretty baffling. Probably the main driver of discussion.
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - could easily be mafia. Not sure on it though. I've cooled here since earlier. Null/scum.
5 Scarfmanship - Vote on Prof looked a bit eager. I know town can also be happy to get maj off themselves but it looked bad. And like I said before that, sus entrance, too self-aware and nervous. Their posting after they got some votes gave me a bit of pause but now I think the intent was to look town. Scum.
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - strong TR. I think this slot will either become obvtown or get voted out, so I'm not too worried. As in if this slot is scum, they'll just 1) stop posting as much and 2) start treading water.
7 Yume - has become strong town in my eyes, unless they are doing a weird gambit. But yeah tonally town as well, I'm confident Yume is town.
8 Enchant - Post COUNT lines up more with scumgames I think. But when they do post it's a bit towny (for Enchant). So I'm conflicted. Null.
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - I've known Town!Aisa to be on the milder side in that Mini we played, which sort of lines up with this game. Still no clue how to read Greeting. But my thoughts on this slot is basically that it could easily be scum, but probably isn't. That doesn't make sense I know. Townlean though. Higher than null based on play so far.
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - I'd say all 3 of these players have quite a neutral tone as town. Well, never played with Town!Ircher but the other 2. I think they've done a lot of useful communication this game. I'd say a strong townread.
11 Frozen Angel - was sort of a scumlean for me early game. I didn't vote them because their tone has an edge to it, which seems sort of town (like pride, they'd be annoyed to be miscondemned kind of thing). But since things have settled a bit I think they're firmly in the scumpool. Gth I'd say town but wouldn't be surprised either way. Probably null overall.
12 Maid Cafe - Haven't played in a completed game with either of these players. I actually forgot who one of them was, one is MariaR. I feel like they're treading water, as scum. Just happy with the gamestate and not really doing much to push their claimed scumreads. I think if I was town with a scumread on a slot like MMR, I'd be a lot louder about it seeing as they're a common townread (not a UTR but close to). So yeah, I scumread Maid Cafe. Happy to vote here.
13 Mathblade - seemed obvtown pre-claim, and I don't scumread them after the claim either. A lot of their posting is laden with 'I'm-going-to-die' type stuff, which I've found to be a reasonably reliable sign of egocentric town.
14 Furtiveglance - I didn't want to delete my name from this list because I'd either change the numbers or leave them in a confusing way. And changing them is too much effort when I can type this out instead. I'm not sure on furtive so far. Seems a bit less active than I've seen them before. But maybe that's due to IRL stuff. This site hasn't gripped me as much recently, maybe my interest is slightly cooling. But still good fun. Just don't expect too much.
15 Ydrasse - before the replace in I was sort of treating STD as scum placeholder because I didn't have too many scumreads. I don't really know how to read Ydrasse. They haven't memed particularly hard yet. Idk if that's a scumtell necessarily. Probably just null, I can't remember them posting anything towny.
16 T-Bone - bit of a tough one to read. The way they're acting is how I imagine the average scum in this game to act, kind of seeming active while not doing too much. Could just be town that I don't get along with, which happens. Scumlean is the most honest assessment, but I'm not locked into it.
17 Radja - I was kind of townleaning Radja for getting wagoned up over nothing so early, but I realise that's more NAI than usual in multiball. Based on posting, Radja could definitely be scum. Not too sure really. Probably null is the best verdict.

So to clarify (some might have slightly changed places from above):

Obvtown

Professotic
PPF
MMR
MathBlade
Mastina
Yume

Townlean

Bunnyonce
RR

Null, could be scum

Enchant
DDS
FA
Radja
Ydrasse

Scum

T-Bone
Scarfmanship
Maid Cafe

[furtiveglance]

Furtive you said you solved the game yet only 3 hard scum? Why? Who do you think is on which team?

I didn't really solve the game, that was a joke because others have seriously claimed they've solved the game. I don't really think/talk in those terms. I thought it was obvious since I said I wouldn't say who it was.

I haven't thought about teams, probably something for lategame.

[furtiveglance]

16 T-Bone - bit of a tough one to read. The way they're acting is how I imagine the average scum in this game to act, kind of seeming active while not doing too much. Could just be town that I don't get along with, which happens. Scumlean is the most honest assessment, but I'm not locked into it.

I'd like you to give an honest elaboration on what you mean by "T-Bone is acting how I imagine the average scum to act". And then also "seeming active while not doing too much". I'll refrain for editorializing as much as I want to.

Position on Mastina wagon mostly - 3rd or 4th right? It's something you've been talked into rather than leading on/strongly calling for yourself. Just taking a back seat really. You've talked a lot about yourself and how other players are reading you. Less so your own scumreads and vote preferences. This is my perception anyway.

[furtiveglance]

On a scale of 1-10
Prof and Mastina same team scum

1 = yes I agree 10000x times
5 = maybe
10 = omg math that’s even worse than anything you’ve ever suggested

11 maybe

[furtiveglance]

Everyone stopped talking I'm gonna go to bed then

[furtiveglance]

Everyone stopped talking I'm gonna go to bed then

Sweet dreams.

~Titus

Read my big post and tell me what you think.

[furtiveglance]

RR likelier than Prof or Mastina I think, but all 3 are probably town

[furtiveglance]

I'm guessing that was tictac^

No pressure but I like it when hydras sign their posts

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: RadicalRat

I don't really like this wagon, but I'd rather at least affect the votecount instead of just yelling into the void.

[furtiveglance]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

T-Bone for me. But I'm impressed by your attempt to town 5 players on arrival.

[furtiveglance]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

professotic, Past Present Future, and Yume are all in my scum pool.

Are these players independently scummy or do you think this could comprise a scumteam? The only time I think a scumteam high posts is if they're comfortable enough to do it with another. It can be awkward if you don't know your teammates too well to properly have filler conversation

I think PPF and Yume are potential partners for mastina, and professotic is potentially on the other scumteam.

Can you expand this thought for me in shortform/longform

Whichever you prefer

I don't think this needs explaining, but it's not accurate and I'm struggling to believe RR has these reads as town. These 3 players seem to be 'aligned' based on saying the similar things and defending each other. But individually they're quite towny. Yume in particular, different to when I've seen them as mafia. Mastina seems to have that kind of ego/paranoia they always have. And PPF - can't remember who said it but all 3 heads in town meta. Idk Auro too well but agree on the other 2. So tldr is bad reads from RR, not because they don't make sense but bc they do on a surface level.

[furtiveglance]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

professotic, Past Present Future, and Yume are all in my scum pool.

Are these players independently scummy or do you think this could comprise a scumteam? The only time I think a scumteam high posts is if they're comfortable enough to do it with another. It can be awkward if you don't know your teammates too well to properly have filler conversation

I think PPF and Yume are potential partners for mastina, and professotic is potentially on the other scumteam.

Can you expand this thought for me in shortform/longform

Whichever you prefer

I don't think this needs explaining, but it's not accurate and I'm struggling to believe RR has these reads as town. These 3 players seem to be 'aligned' based on saying the similar things and defending each other. But individually they're quite towny. Yume in particular, different to when I've seen them as mafia. Mastina seems to have that kind of ego/paranoia they always have. And PPF - can't remember who said it but all 3 heads in town meta. Idk Auro too well but agree on the other 2. So tldr is bad reads from RR, not because they don't make sense but bc they do on a surface level.

It happened only a page ago but I believe you scoffed(?) a bit at me 'trying to clear 5 people as town' but have 3/5 of them as that anyways

I wasn't scoffing, I admire the ambition and I think you're town for it.

[furtiveglance]

So in your head is mastina like this scum ringleader and the defenders are associated? I don't know if I can exactly see that, because it begs the question what happens if mastina goes over? All her defenders would be incriminated

periodttttt *snaps fingers*

[furtiveglance]

The day ending on RR/Mastina is fine

I liked RR's interpolation of events when I read it however, so am not favoring that vote

I didn't really. It was just "these 3 players did this and this and it was SO scummy!"

[furtiveglance]

They had more reasoning beyond that? If I was able to summarize it and take things of note then they at least put some thought into it.

Yeah I'm not sold on them being scum, just think it's least bad of current wagons. There are at least 3 slots I'd rather jettison.

[furtiveglance]

They had more reasoning beyond that? If I was able to summarize it and take things of note then they at least put some thought into it.

Yeah I'm not sold on them being scum, just think it's least bad of current wagons. There are at least 3 slots I'd rather jettison.

Which three and why aren't they limmed you think?

~Titus

Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship and T-Bone

But also DDS and probably Ydrasse now that I think of it

[furtiveglance]

Unofficial VC (I think), might be some errors:

Mastina (7) T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, Professotic, MathBlade, unwnd, Enchant (E-2)

Radical Rat (6) Mastina, DDS, Yume, furtiveglance, PPF, Bunnyonce (E-3)

Professotic (1) MMR

DDS (1) Scarfmanship

Unwnd (1) Ydrasse

Not Voting (1) Frozen Angel

Deadline frozen at 2 days until FA/Maid Cafe are replaced.

[furtiveglance]

very excite

[furtiveglance]

Did Mastina ever follow up on that "I'm a similar role to MathBlade?"

[furtiveglance]

Scarfmanship is looking worse and worse, it's like refuge into downright weird posting. DDS still looking sus, more explanation of the Bunnyonce turnaround pls.

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Mastina

E-1

Time to claim.

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE: Mastina

Just claim when you get on

[furtiveglance]

I'm here. Man's just confused now.

[furtiveglance]

I don't think Bunnyonce is a good vote.

[furtiveglance]

The cult flip I am most sure on is now

VOTE: Ydrasse

[furtiveglance]

@furtive

The cult flip I am most sure on is now

VOTE: Ydrasse

Whyyy though



-Aisa

Vote on unwnd was scum, nothing towny from them or STD. Just gamestate indicates it. If I close my eyes and picture the postgame with all the flips, Ydrasse is cult. That's all I can say.

[furtiveglance]

Bunnyonce is town, this wagon is sus as hell.

[furtiveglance]

Bunnyonce is town, this wagon is sus as hell.

Sus wagoners: Scarf, T-Bone, Enchant/Mastina (possibly)

Mastina's claim was dubious. Scum will also be informed of attunements.

[furtiveglance]

I find it worth noting in general the hard defenders of Mastina (minus Yume) now are saying she’s sus when bunny is wagoned.

Will compile a list when I get time. Rough day.

If Bunny is scum partners likely in those people.
If Bunny is town then on Mastina on Bunny is where I would focus

I don't want to run up Mastina again (on account of the claim). I'm just saying that this Bunnyonce wagon is sus.

[furtiveglance]

I find it worth noting in general the hard defenders of Mastina (minus Yume) now are saying she’s sus when bunny is wagoned.

Will compile a list when I get time. Rough day.

If Bunny is scum partners likely in those people.
If Bunny is town then on Mastina on Bunny is where I would focus

I don't want to run up Mastina again (on account of the claim). I'm just saying that this Bunnyonce wagon is sus.

Then it’s your responsibility to push someone else.

Man's voting Ydrasse and has stated scumreads many times. What else do you want from man. D_D

[furtiveglance]

Man didn't realise that was hammer. Man's re-evaluating man's unwnd townread.

[furtiveglance]

I am ambivalent to this elimination as a whole

What a troublesome post

Yeah it was

[furtiveglance]

Speak more directly about what you're exactly trying to imply, your post annoyed me because you didn't give a reason

I think Bunnyonce flips town, you obviously think so too, and you're ambivalent. That's just dodgy

[furtiveglance]

Speak more directly about what you're exactly trying to imply, your post annoyed me because you didn't give a reason

I think Bunnyonce flips town, you obviously think so too, and you're ambivalent. That's just dodgy

Let me ask you something Furtive.

How do you plan to go about and solve this game compared to your last one in “One Choice”?

Different setup, different game, different me. Stop using one bad game as a stick to beat me with, you are not a 'high-tier player' you are a clown as shown by LOST.

[furtiveglance]

Speak more directly about what you're exactly trying to imply, your post annoyed me because you didn't give a reason

I think Bunnyonce flips town, you obviously think so too, and you're ambivalent. That's just dodgy

Let me ask you something Furtive.

How do you plan to go about and solve this game compared to your last one in “One Choice”?

Different setup, different game, different me. Stop using one bad game as a stick to beat me with, you are not a 'high-tier player' you are a clown as shown by LOST.

Retract insulting language, pls don't ban me!

[furtiveglance]

Dawn time, I'm probably right about everything this game because I was right about Bunnyonce. And probably Professotic.

[furtiveglance]

Well I know what I want to do.

Vote me?

[furtiveglance]

Also, I checked mastina and she can be scum

So your role gets clear/non clear?

[furtiveglance]

I was slightly staying awake for this game to re-open, maybe that's weird.

Yume do you want to fully explain your role?

[furtiveglance]

As to how my role works, remember Rose Quartz?

No. I don't want or see the point of you explaining it in a confusing way, I can't think what you wouldn't want the scumteams to know given that you already outted as an investigative.

[furtiveglance]

some dude pulled down his pants outside my window and ran off before i saw who it was, did anyone catch that?

Probably the lunar cult up to their old tricks

[furtiveglance]

Dawn time, I'm probably right about everything this game because I was right about Bunnyonce. And probably Professotic.

The funny thing about that is it's easier to be right about things when you have more information than a town player should.

VOTE: furtiveglance.

Flattering

You said previously that you target a player and learn their attunement. Who did you do last night?

[furtiveglance]

You said previously that you target a player and learn their attunement. Who did you do last night?

Last night wasn't noon phase, my role is specifically noon phase.

In mechanical terms, if last night was D1/N1, today and tonight are D2/N2. I'm an even-night role, so I can't act on odd-nights. Last night was an odd-night, so I couldn't act; tonight will be an even-night, so I can.

I hope town has some good roles as well

[furtiveglance]

Preferred votes: Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship, T-Bone

VOTE: Maid Cafe

[furtiveglance]

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow is blessed by the lunar goddess Luna. They cannot be aligned with the Solar Cult. If they were eliminated during this phase, the Lunar Cult would have been vanilaised. The Lunar Cult was the only group with access to this information.

DDS was a tertiary read for people. They were even offered up as alternatives and shot down. This is something I clocked to myself during the night, so I'm posting to give myself some accountability to compare notes.

I want to lim Mastina, but I don't want another long fight about it right now. Maybe try again later in the day.

What sort of non-vanilla abilities do we think the cults have? Recruitment?

[furtiveglance]

Oh and I need the people nuthugging mastina to clarify their read because you're accountable too

I'm AFK based on how cooperative people are

Yeah Yume, nuthugging like a squirrel in winter

[furtiveglance]

I'm fine with playing along, but I'm not letting her pick the elim

Can I pick?

[furtiveglance]

Oh and I need the people nuthugging mastina to clarify their read because you're accountable too

I'm AFK based on how cooperative people are

Please don’t use genital based terms. Thanks.

I acknowledge this, won't happen again

I also apologise but it was satirical when I used it so I get a reduced sentence.

[furtiveglance]

Think for a moment: my death vanillizes an entire scum team yesterday (and possibly going forward).

You were never in danger what do you even mean???

Is this true? Klick was pretty certain math had a ton of votes at one point, but the VCS aren't great.


I really liked scarf's post on this page, felt v town.

Prof scum read us quite hard at a few points. Out of t-bones list, the only person I think could be scum is furtive.

B

That's a bit sus. Yeah I was here the whole time. Lurking in the shadows. Then when someone susses me...just like that, I pounce. I call them sus back.

[furtiveglance]

This is one of those where everyone apart from me has a role isn't it D:

[furtiveglance]

No, sorry, I was talking to furtive! I really didn't understand what they were saying.

If you have to ask, then you don't know

[furtiveglance]

i’m ydrasse

Cult

[furtiveglance]

i’m ydrasse

Cult

screaming and crying trying to prove this you are

I don't think you're getting out of 2nd gear this game are you...freeze much?

[furtiveglance]

I think both reactions suck.
MMR’s lack of vote is suspicious
3121 from PPR is suspicious because rolestoppers don’t get results. Titus and Nancy who both know mechanics

I have to work and expect it to be a long day so lurker me ahead.

Remember to get those heal tags in (but don’t derail conversation) about who you’d like vigged.

HEAL: Ydrasse

[furtiveglance]

Wait hold on MathBlade, you can't even do it yet can you D_D

[furtiveglance]

HEAL: Firebringer
HEAL: unwnd
HEAL: furtiveglance

(Just these three for now. I have my reasons for suggesting a vig in these three.)

ow you shot me

[furtiveglance]

I never said i am Vanilla

Put me down as a -actually nvmind.

[furtiveglance]

What about is it bizarre

Look at furtive's posts (this phase) and tell me if they are productive in any sort of way

I dislike when people say shit and then don't follow up, that's the most blunt way of putting it

Calling someone out for doing nothing does not count as doing something. In other words, jog on

[furtiveglance]

So you vote furitive, who also opposed the way D1 happened,

Not true by the way, he was just coasting on the circumstances to make it look like he cared

This is slightly boiling my blood, as MathBlade implied this about me yesterday. It's basically playing badly then victim blaming, as me, the player with good reads (possibly) who opposes the vote on town and proposes a vote on (possible) scum, is blamed for "omg TMI" or "looking good on the flip" when you guys are the ones with really bad reads and votes. And then I get "Oh you should do more then, push harder" when I have such a clear poe and scumpool and I just get aired by the entire lobby.

It's a really alienating thing to do, and it's the sign of a pretty clapped gamestate in which scum can slate any good town player for "TMI".

Am I being unreasonable, like on mumsnet?

[furtiveglance]

People can be wrong

Hell, I can be wrong

What is telling to me is that with Bunny's death, a lot of people were

Yet it's not being discussed, It's not being considered

It's like it never happened

So why aren't you getting on the umpteen people who voted them wrongly, instead of saying I was 'pretending to care'?

[furtiveglance]

Fed up of this game. I feel like the overlapping venn diagram circle of players I townread and players who aren't either completely self-obsessed and deluded was about [Bunnyonce, MMR, PPF] and then you killed right in there yesterday, and people are really trying to get on me instead of working with me as obvious town.

[furtiveglance]

People can be wrong

Hell, I can be wrong

What is telling to me is that with Bunny's death, a lot of people were

Yet it's not being discussed, It's not being considered

It's like it never happened

So why aren't you getting on the umpteen people who voted them wrongly, instead of saying I was 'pretending to care'?

I already elaborated that I think there's scum on the wagon and pointed to a few people

I can do more two things at once you know

Yeah, it's called being a contradiction with no internal logic. If you were really so concerned your vote would reflect it.

[furtiveglance]

So you vote furitive, who also opposed the way D1 happened,

Not true by the way, he was just coasting on the circumstances to make it look like he cared

This is slightly boiling my blood, as MathBlade implied this about me yesterday. It's basically playing badly then victim blaming, as me, the player with good reads (possibly) who opposes the vote on town and proposes a vote on (possible) scum, is blamed for "omg TMI" or "looking good on the flip" when you guys are the ones with really bad reads and votes. And then I get "Oh you should do more then, push harder" when I have such a clear poe and scumpool and I just get aired by the entire lobby.

It's a really alienating thing to do, and it's the sign of a pretty clapped gamestate in which scum can slate any good town player for "TMI".

Am I being unreasonable, like on mumsnet?

I am not sure what you’re saying so I am unsure if it is reasonable or not.

2974, it's so annoying to see. When I literally was pushing someone else at the time, I was just being ignored.

[furtiveglance]

So you vote furitive, who also opposed the way D1 happened,

Not true by the way, he was just coasting on the circumstances to make it look like he cared

This is slightly boiling my blood, as MathBlade implied this about me yesterday. It's basically playing badly then victim blaming, as me, the player with good reads (possibly) who opposes the vote on town and proposes a vote on (possible) scum, is blamed for "omg TMI" or "looking good on the flip" when you guys are the ones with really bad reads and votes. And then I get "Oh you should do more then, push harder" when I have such a clear poe and scumpool and I just get aired by the entire lobby.

It's a really alienating thing to do, and it's the sign of a pretty clapped gamestate in which scum can slate any good town player for "TMI".

Am I being unreasonable, like on mumsnet?

I am not sure what you’re saying so I am unsure if it is reasonable or not.

2974, it's so annoying to see. When I literally was pushing someone else at the time, I was just being ignored.

Who? If so it was being drowned out.

Yeah. It was being drowned out. Not I wasn't doing anything. Massive difference. I was voting Ydrasse. I had a very clear scumpool. I still do.

[furtiveglance]

Going to bed now, I think I joined the realm of the annoying players

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Scarfmanship

[furtiveglance]

Voting Mastina because they seem more defensive than last game, and their role sounds too useless to be real. And I want us to get past Mastina/unwnd clogging the game up

VOTE: Mastina

[furtiveglance]

That just means you are fucking listening to me for a change


--This poster is against the Tyranny of the Mastina Apologist Royal Authority. Use this flag if you are too.--

I wouldn't do stuff like this, feels a bit targeted at the player.

[furtiveglance]

I voted Bunnyonce for lack of better ideas

Lol bullshit

You're acting like anything you're quoting is mutually exclusive with 3429.

Problem is, they aren't. They augment each other, not contradict each other.

I didn't have any better ideas than Bunnyonce.
Bunnyonce was a scumread.
I had Bunnyonce in the PoE.
Bunnyonce was a compromise wagon.

None of those statements contradict each other because they were all true.

Pretending otherwise is disingenous as fuck.

I think they all mean different things, from my experience at least.

[furtiveglance]

MMR is town I'm p sure

[furtiveglance]

Voting Mastina because they seem more defensive than last game, and their role sounds too useless to be real. And I want us to get past Mastina/unwnd clogging the game up
VOTE: Mastina

Btw this reasoning is pretty damn obviously faked.

It's transparently voting me because he sees the potential for the wagon to go through.

It's not a real stance.

To borrow unwnd's words:
It's a hollow post.

Here's my options for voting: My two biggest townreads (MMR and PPF), Scarf (meh) and I didn't like any of them. I'm fed up of the thread being spammed up (mostly by unwnd more than you really) but I don't want to vote unwnd so it's gonna be you. Also your play this game is different to the cafe. You were posting more about other players in that game, this time it's more about defending yourself.

Also untrue

Biggest mastina apologists are MathBlade/PPF/Furtive (but he's pretending he wasn't)/Yume

But I think Yume is just being pocketed

As for this one, my read changed. I'm not trying to rewrite history, I never said I never townread Mastina. I opposed the vote on Mastina yesterday, and I think I made a mistake.

[furtiveglance]

There is no guilty check, right? Someone clarify that for me.

[furtiveglance]

There is no guilty check, right? Someone clarify that for me.

Resolve the guilty check today by voting out PPF. The mechnaically correct thing to do next is let mastina claim a check or lackthereof, dayvig/kill MMR and mastina tomorrow based on info. Kill the biggest mastina supporter today (PPF) to ensure that we can get mastina tomorrow if need be.

If no one listens to this I am willing to compromise and vote out but I think it is the most correct course of action.

Where is the guilty?

[furtiveglance]

There is no guilty check, right? Someone clarify that for me.

The slot won't clarify.

So there is no guilty.

[furtiveglance]

I think they all mean different things, from my experience at least.

Not to me, and as I am the one who was thinking them, it is my opinion that matters, not yours.

There's a contradiction between actively scumreading a player and 'voting them for a lack of better votes' or whatever it is that you said. It's not disingenuous to say that.

[furtiveglance]

Reminder that Ydrasse is definitely mafia, filler logs throughout

[furtiveglance]

[unwnd, furtive, Firebringer] contains one, possibly two scum is what I'm saying.

It's definitely three.

Probably not all of one scumteam, but there's no realm in which there's town in those names.

There's seven names for six scum, and a town in there would mean literally all of {MMR, Radical Rat, Toogeloo, Scarfmanship} would be, by necessity, scum.

You will obviously argue that you are not scum.

Tbh at this stage I think you're less scum than unwnd/Firebringer are, maybe even furtive (tho you are comparable to furtive in scum levels). So it's possible, albeit unlikely.
And MMR is just scum, regardless, just scum off my wagon.
But Toogeloo and Scarfmanship are the townier two names in that pool of seven. (One is still scum anyway, but they're at least townier compared to the other five.)

In terms of scum it goes something like,
unwnd = MMR > Firebringer > furtiveglance

>

Radical Rat > Scarfmanship > Toogeloo,
Most to least.


For the record, current teams look something like,

{MMR, ??, ??}

{??, ??, ??}
Radical Rat is not paired with MMR obviously.

Firebringer's slot (Frozen Angel) and Toogeloo's slot (Maid Cafe) both voted MMR early, but neither of them at times MMR was at risk.
Scarfmanship was voting MMR, so that makes it less likely for Scarf to be scum with MMR.

MMR voted unwnd's slot dangerously close to lethal, so MMR less likely scum with unwnd.

Which leaves the possible MMR scumbuddies as {furtiveglance, Firebringer, Toogeloo},
And the current other team as some combination of,
{Radical Rat, Scarfmanship, unwnd, the not-MMR-buddy in furtive/Toogeloo/Firebringer}.

furtiveglance pushed Scarfmanship when there was a risk of Scarfmanship being lethal, so less likely scum together.
furtiveglance pushed Radical Rat to L-1, so not scum with them.
Scarfmanship similarly so (identical link).

Which leads to furtive only being possible scum with Firebringer/Toogeloo/unwnd/MMR.

MMR + 2/3 of {Firebringer, Toogeloo, furtiveglance} on a team;
furtiveglance + 2/3 of {MMR, Firebringer, Toogeloo, unwnd} on a team.

Opposite team has 3 of
{Radical Rat, Scarfmanship, Firebringer/Toogeloo}.

I'm losing a lot of steam here, I think I can narrow it down better.

But loosely speaking, surface-level, I'd guess
{MMR, furtiveglance, Firebringer/Toogeloo};
{unwnd, Radical Rat-OR-Scarfmanship, Firebringer-or-Toogeloo}.

This surface-level analysis actually says there's one town in RR/Scarfmanship, and one team mostly known.
But like--I'm too tired to continue fact-checking (is 5:30, this wasn't meant to be a post where I dived the scumteams), so like. I might be missing combos, might be missing answers, etc. I'll figure it out later.

This is so bad it has to be scum, especially the first bit. It's not realistic compared to how town think, even town mastina.

[furtiveglance]

Didn't Mastina say Astrologer

[furtiveglance]

Fed up of mastina's spamming. There aren't gonna be 2 Astrologers are there. So just vote out mastina, a town flip implicates MMR but I don't think there will be one.

Get mastina out.

[furtiveglance]

Fed up of mastina's spamming. There aren't gonna be 2 Astrologers are there. So just vote out mastina, a town flip implicates MMR but I don't think there will be one.

Get mastina out.

And MMR can't be faking his claim because why again?

They can be, I think mastina is faking because they claimed first. If MMR was scum they would choose a different role.

[furtiveglance]

And as much as I hate Wisdom, I am gonna have to use Wisdom logic. You think multiple players telling you she is town are all wrong?

I think you're wrong but town, MB isn't really saying she's town anymore. PPF I used to townread but now I think they might be scum as well, partnered or not.

Who else is saying mastina's town? Scarf? I scumread them anyway.

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And as much as I hate Wisdom, I am gonna have to use Wisdom logic. You think multiple players telling you she is town are all wrong?

I think you're wrong but town, MB isn't really saying she's town anymore. PPF I used to townread but now I think they might be scum as well, partnered or not.

Who else is saying mastina's town? Scarf? I scumread them anyway.

And here is the thing, even if PPF is scum, they townread mastina via knowing she is town, so even if they are scum, she is still town.

Multiball

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is astrologer even a real role

Probably. I'd say Mastina is probably fake and had some kind of informed modifier which told her that Astrologer existed.

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unwnd is obvious town, this is unashamed omgus ^

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unwnd is obvious town, this is unashamed omgus ^

Sorry for heckling. I've reached the point where I think the only thing that will help the gamestate is eliminating mastina, and I think the game will get a lot more enjoyable after that happens (just because a lot of the spam is either by mastina or about her). I also think mastina is scum, because there won't be 2 Astrologers and I believe MMR more.

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Also, just like me, if she tries to emulate her towngame as scum, people will be able to tell. Maybe not me, but others would.

And now furtive will say 'but those who townread her are all scum for reasons I won't bother explaining'. Prediction go!

but those who townread her are all scum

no actually though. I can see PPF flipping either way, MB probtown based on the claim and you are obvtown to me. That's it really. Also scarf has been scummy all game let's not pretend.

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Hello unwnd from mafiascum do you want to vibe instead of engage with this stuff

pls do not vibe with mafia unwnd

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Have you even played with mastina, ever? I doubt it, so shut up!

Uh yeah I've played with her before

What a confusing outburst

Kodak moment?

*no offence intended*

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Replacing Yume

Oh. Well I'm sorry for making the game frustrating with my reads (especially if they were wrong)

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Just to be clear: does anyone think Mastina/MMR could both be their claimed roles? I don't.

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Just to be clear: does anyone think Mastina/MMR could both be their claimed roles? I don't.

I don't either. I'm inclined to believe mastina more because she gave more info, was consistent about it, and did it first, but there's no way both of their roles exist as claimed.

Ok but why would MMR, as scum, fakeclaim the same role as someone else, forcing them into a 1v1? Surely they would claim a different role?

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Mastina, DDS, Ydrasse, Firebringer, T-Bone. At least 3 in there.

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I'm not saying DDS is cleared by any means but they can only be on one scum team so at the very least they are less likely to be scum than the average player.

Good point. I should have said also that Scarfmanship and Toogeloo can go in the scum bin.

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I'm not saying Furtive is scum by any means but they can only be lunar or solar scum so at the very least they are more likely to be scum than the average player :p

Most players just pop in and go "wow too many posts for me" and dip again. If I am scum, you should be grateful that I'm helping you.

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It seems that not everyone agrees that Meg would not put 2 Town Astrologers in. Why? Surely this is a given, and therefore no one should be voting anyone other than Mastina or MMR.

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I feel bad for Rubella wow. This content is not good enough, not even close, from a player who seems to be in conflict with 2 other players. I just want to move the game past this now.

VOTE: MMR

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MMR is the better vote I think

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just for that

VOTE: ppf

we know yer bad

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PPF, I'm probably gonna hammer just to beat this level if you know what I mean. Any final thoughts?

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Well now I don't want to hammer. What if everyone voted MMR instead

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ugh my avatar is so cute it should be illegal

what are we at, like 5 ppf 6 mmr?

Hmmmm 8 to hammer right........PPF was at E-1, DDS switched over so it's now 6 PPF 6 MMR I think, E-2 for both

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Yeah still happy with the vote on MMR

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Wow no one died, that's fun times

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Hellooooooo!

Hello, you replaced Mastina. Did you do anything last night?

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Yup. Am I clear to like, share my info? Or is there some reason out there why I shouldn't

Haven't read too much but I think this info is fairly juicy?

No reason not to share, in fact I think a certain MathBlade may be armed and considering vigging you!

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I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Is there a reason you don't want to out flavour and stuff? I can't remember what Yume said...something about prunes?

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I have role-related knowledge that someone either tried to kill Meuh

or

used a negative utility action on her during the “Noon” phase

Is there a reason you don't want to out flavour and stuff? I can't remember what Yume said...something about prunes?

My role has nothing to do with prunes….

I don’t want to out flavor because there’s a part to my role that hasn’t been outed yet but would be obvious once I claimed flavor

Is it important that I claim flavor?

Up to you really. Maybe don't then.

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Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

We probably should eliminate one cult fully, that being Lunar, because I'm guessing they each have their own kill (maybe alternating Night/Noon). So probably not vote unwnd today then.

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Assuming MathBlade trueclaimed (and even if they are Solar Cult), we supposedly have 2 chances to smoke today, and focusing on Lunar Cult we should cut [Meuh, CSF, MathBlade, Unwnd] out of the poe.

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Is this your towngame, furtive?

You are one of the people I was scumreading. When I said 'I literally don't remember' it's kind of a lie. I do remember-- but I feel a bit embarrassed about it. Am I dumping every single thought ever had up until this point? No. I just think MMR flipping lunar says that the way I was reading this game was flawed. I thought that mastina was amassing a crowd of defenders, and that their goal was to just overwhelm the thread.

This perspective is old and busted and I need a new one.

I don't really have a comprehensive idea of how I play as either alignment, but I am town this game.

I think I was right the first time on mastina, then tried to turn back time on D2 because I thought they were becoming the author and the topic of so much spam that it was hurting the game. MMR was initially a strong townread but their decline in posting was scum indicative to me, I feel bad for whoever Rubella was (RH9 prob). As to where I am now, I'm conflicted. Based on play alone I'd probably vote DDS, but mech-wise I'd rather go for Lunar I think. I keep going back and forth on Scarfmanship, I think some of their posting has been towny but haven't voiced much of that side of my thinking. I think Firebringer and Toogeloo are both easily possible scum, just for not really doing much. PPF wasn't impressing me much yesterday - they said they could self-confirm though so I'd like to see that today. I can't remember the other slots off the top of my head

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T-Bone and Ydrasse also could be scum, I'd rather vote Ydrasse than T-Bone

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MathBlast Ydrasse thanks

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i just vt so no complaint

Who's your preferred kill right now? Let's say if you had to pick 1 player for MB to shoot, and if they're Town you get voted out.

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Also, I checked mastina and she can be scum

Yeah

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I basically role watch someone at Night, and the watch is effective until the next Night. Yume watched Mastina/Meuh, and I couldn’t change it

As to how my role works, remember Rose Quartz?

No. I don't want or see the point of you explaining it in a confusing way, I can't think what you wouldn't want the scumteams to know given that you already outted as an investigative.

Well, I am pseudo-investigative. I know when someone is targeted with a kill or a negative ability, which generally means they're targeted by scum. And I know mastina wasn't targeted.

This implies Yume was told that mastina wasn't targeted Night 1.

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@furtive, that’s correct. I double checked that with MegA, Mastina wasn’t targeted last Night (night 1)

b r u h

Are you now saying that you can act Nights and Noons, or that you didn't act last night (Noon 1)?

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@furtive, that’s correct. I double checked that with MegA, Mastina wasn’t targeted last Night (night 1)

b r u h

Are you now saying that you can act Nights and Noons, or that you didn't act last night (Noon 1)?

I can only pick my watch target on nights! But the watch ability remains active until the following night (so it was still active during noon 1)

Hm I did townread Yume quite hard. Briefly considering that you were scum when things didn't make sense felt like a mistake about to happen.

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Assuming MathBlade trueclaimed (and even if they are Solar Cult), we supposedly have 2 chances to smoke today, and focusing on Lunar Cult we should cut [Meuh, CSF, MathBlade, Unwnd] out of the poe.

FoS Furtive.

Never said if my shot ended the day or not.

PPF needs to post. They claimed confirmable yesterday so barring confirmation I think they’re solar cult and Mastina was wrong or the slot is scum with PPF.

I don’t think that we can go without resolving the PPF slot.

Also need Yume’s replacement PPF to post.

I've never seen a vig shot end the day...how is that fos? You think the cults each have copies of everyone's role pms? Clown.

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Fun! unwnd is attuned with the sun. Therefore not aligned with the lunar cult.
I vaguely recall people saying unwnd was weird with the wagon on the person who just flipped lunar? I saw that on the last page. I picked unwd cause of that + Mastina having unwnd low on reads.

We probably should eliminate one cult fully, that being Lunar, because I'm guessing they each have their own kill (maybe alternating Night/Noon). So probably not vote unwnd today then.

This is a bad idea for *reasons*

I explained my idea, explain yours

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PPF should claim full role

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PPF should claim full role

No

I want to sort them

That’s the point.

A full claim isn’t needed yet

I want to understand

Not just shoot no matter how much it makes Titus sad or makes me think “I hate her”

That hurt

I could literally say "I hope town wins" and you'd find a way to disagree with me.

If possible could I get some sort of list of claims/important info thus far in the game? I’m lost and I’d like to know some basics at least

Me -> Outed dayvig will be firing today was forced to claim by Mastina Dusk 1.
Yume/CSF slot -> Some kind of invest role that checked you twice (or forced check twice) after offering to check me. Seems sus mechanically but good day play.
Mastina/Meuh slot -> D1 claimed astrologer said they can check on Noons.
RR -> Said they can stop burns. Why aren’t they dead?

THEN SHOOT RR. How does this lead to shooting PPF?

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Furtive is an odd duck. I felt he was earnest with me a few pages back. His progression on MMR is just completely bizarre however. You can ever just point blank ISO him and see how much he defended MMR in the first phase. Yeah reads change, but it's still polarizing.

I felt they were town early game yeah, I said that.

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Hot take unwnd is scum and mastina was right

This is surely a scum contribution