Cosmos Mafia (Postgame)

[professotic]

who should we elim?

[professotic]

omgz greeting tell

[professotic]

omgz no

greeting

tell from

greeting

pedit: no fair, i was gonna do that

[professotic]

VOTE: dingle
legit

[professotic]

Help! I’m blind!
TicToc uses a different site colour!
Where the black and red?

[professotic]

Nah it’s all good Hydra buddy!

[professotic]

I dare someone to call one of those 2 entrance posts I made wolfy and they can prepare for utter annihilation!

[professotic]

so, u arguing that or no?

[professotic]

VOTE: Professotic

Entrance posts wolfy

dare u to vote dongle

[professotic]

I am Mafia Goon.

VOTE: Enchant

I think you're legitimately more likely to make this post as a Mafia Goon than as anything else.

i don't buy this dumbtell given discussion of scum being cult themed+ ding awareness of postcount enough to steal pagetop.

[professotic]

would be more plausible that they posted without reading the discussion if they weren't aware.

[professotic]

ok, why?
are u trying to correct a mistake u think bun is making, or perspective taking 2 read bun? any result, even if weak?

[professotic]

double dog dare ya.

@rat u r perhaps used to people playing town wrong

[professotic]

Not sure how much of a take we were meant to have in post 25?

straight up strawman from scarecrow.

either scum or some weird rp-thing.

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic

I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I’ll be honest, Tictac is paying more attention this game then I am.
I haven’t really read much of anything but I noticed he’s talking a bit in our hydra chat about stuff and reads and what not.

[professotic]

VOTE: Professotic

Entrance posts wolfy

I take a look to see why someone voted our slot and this is what I see.

I dare someone to call one of those 2 entrance posts I made wolfy and they can prepare for utter annihilation!

This guy wants some utter annihilation!

VOTE: Furtive[/vofe]

[professotic]

I stated this in hydra chat to Tictac but I mentioned how I felt Radical Rats vote could be opportunistic.

But then again I don’t like Mastina just hopping onto our wagon.


@Mastina in your own words, why do you find us wolfy?

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic

I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

Also again to counter your argument to your case on us.

TicTac was saying something in hydra chat why they found the person they were voting (Bingle) to be a wolf/wolfy.
I could be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure that was TicTac’s only vote so why do you think this? Why is the engagement wrong? Idk man to me it feels like a soft defence on Bingle, do you townread Bingle?

[professotic]

“Dingle” not Bingle.
Lol I messed up the name.

[professotic]

VOTE: Professotic

Entrance posts wolfy

dare u to vote dongle

I think my partner TicTac here probably did this to see how people treat the Dingle slot.
Cause like obviously if Dingle is a wolf their wolf partner will be trying to avoid them being executed and even potentially try to redirect attention elsewhere

[professotic]

Not gonna lie I also do stuff similar to this.

It is actually a +EV play.

[professotic]

You know what isn’t AI? Half the stuff people think is.

Quality Content isn’t AI btw.
But I ain’t gonna rant and clog up thread discussing my standards for what AI is and isn’t.

[professotic]

Radical Rat/Dingle/Mastina
Contains at minimum 1 wolf.

[professotic]

I said this last night to TicTac I’ll say it here now.
I actually find Furtive Gut Town.

[professotic]

I think you are scum for trying to shade me over something that is clearly playstyle based and NAI and now seeming entirely uninterested in it

I can tell we're going to be on different planets if that's what you think happened

I find this Townie.

[professotic]

I stated this in hydra chat to Tictac but I mentioned how I felt Radical Rats vote could be opportunistic.

But then again I don’t like Mastina just hopping onto our wagon.

ftr i define opportunism as "trying to do easy scum beneficial things". still don't think attacking us qualifies as easy here.
mastina read on us does strike me as unplausible, since she just saw me as scum twice, but maybe it's displacement? (comments from folks in those games welcome on this)
do agree w std in that mastina is optimally a late sort, and a clear answer is unlikely to exist on day 1 imo.

[professotic]

Objection: Speculative!

not a courtroom.
the space of all possible actions is large tho.

[professotic]

I think its bad that you townread FA for it.
That puts you down on the ladder for me.

I think its very possible you fabricated that read to position yourself close to FA, who usually is a very active player(been a while since I've played, but that's how I remember it)

u treating me/bun as interchangeable does make me think u interacting w the thread instead of sorting individuals.
first time playing w u tho. is this typical of u? (better answered by non-u actually if there is one w familiarity. u can designate someone)

[professotic]

I don't like this post because it is a filler question and reads to me as "Tell me who is scum so I can mindlessly sheep without making a decision for myself".

i mean, that's the dream, no?

more seriously: who want's to yeet whom is the actual thing that matters in dayplay.

[professotic]

But now that I've checked who is in your slot, I'm much less confident about you being a wolf.

i dunno which one u talking about here

[professotic]

How do you have a "legit" vote on Scarecrow based off a single post?

u quoted the case

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

VOTE: Bunny

I like Bunny versus Professor as wagons. Korina's not a bad choice either. Bunny's last defense of FA reeked.

~Titus

You say you like our wagons yet you never stated any prior concern towards our slot.
Why’s that? What do you think of our slot?

Your post to me doesn’t feel genuine.

[professotic]

who should we elim?

I don't like this post because it is a filler question and reads to me as "Tell me who is scum so I can mindlessly sheep without making a decision for myself".

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi, I am town.

Scum.

VOTE: dingle
legit

How do you have a "legit" vote on Scarecrow based off a single post?

I dare someone to call one of those 2 entrance posts I made wolfy and they can prepare for utter annihilation!

Congratulations, your entrance posts were wolfy. But now that I've checked who is in your slot, I'm much less confident about you being a wolf.

REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi, I am town.

(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)

shifty is patent protected btw.

I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.

Who is talia?

This is fascinating though and I want to say it loud what most probably thought about too:

Meg, is there any public information about Dusk/Dawn phases? Are they different?

Both Dusk and Dawn function as normal Mafia game eliminations, as well as Noon and Night function as normal mafia game night phases. They are functionally identical except they are distinct.

So it seems that Noon is the night phase for the Solar cult and the night is the night phase for the Lunar cult. In other words, based on flavor we can guess that the cults are even/off phase mechanically. But guess we'll see when we go

Anyways missed you, my friends. long time no see <3 been a while since I played a game here

VOTE: Bunnyonce

Nice to see you again Frozen Angel.

Both Aisa and I think Frozen Angel is town for this post.

~Greeting

Why?

Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.

I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.

-Aisa

It is a level zero take, but it's acceptable this early in the game.

I am Mafia Goon.

VOTE: Enchant

I think you're legitimately more likely to make this post as a Mafia Goon than as anything else.

i don't buy this dumbtell given discussion of scum being cult themed+ ding awareness of postcount enough to steal pagetop.

No tell existed here...

1

2

3

4

This is an atrocious waste of posts! Speaking of post count, someone remind me. Is there a post limit this game, and if so, what is it?

VOTE: professotic

I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

Maybe, but this is professotic we're talking about.

VOTE: professotic

I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I’ll be honest, Tictac is paying more attention this game then I am.
I haven’t really read much of anything but I noticed he’s talking a bit in our hydra chat about stuff and reads and what not.

This doesn't track with my perceived ratio of your posts versus your partner's posts.

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

Hmm, I think I disagree with most of these reads.

Hey mastina

the number of posts so far:

Save the Dragons: 2
Yume: 1

Can you explain how the two of these are in your almost lock-town slots when their game hasn't even start yet? Yume practically posted nothing so far (Who is Talia btw?) and save the dragons made a weird comment about "if the mechanics are difficult" acting like he doesn't know this is a closed setup?

I don't plan on learning the mechanics are they difficult

I actually found that alarming in different ways

mastina has apparently mastered an art for interpreting early game posts. I haven't seen it to be too accurate in practice, but she'll place extreme confidence in it. I don't think it's really alarming not to engage in mechanics. Scum have more incentive to be engaged because scum mistakes tend to be costlier.

Also no one told me if the mechs are difficult lol

VOTE: frozen angel

That's not really a slip of any kind. This is clearly a bastard-esque game with an unusual day cycle. That's enough to imply that the mechanics are more complex than average.

There is this minigame I like to play from time to time called "guess the head". I'm particularly intrigued by who is Mumps, who is Measles, and who is Rubella.

[...]
But that doesn't matter to me as much as how you contradicted yourself on tone there in a way later on, at first saying yeah its a town read and both heads of hydra fully agree and then falling back on the read and claiming its just a hunch practically without any other development in game to justify the tone switch. Like I don't hold people responsible that much for their page 2 reads but I'm looking for people developments from one point to another to judge if it was faked or not

I'm pretty sure it was just slightly unfortunate wording on Greeting's part. He could have said "FA is towny" instead of "FA is town" in the initial post and then we wouldn't be here having this discussion.

I realise this is an easy thing to say to cover up an apparent inconsistency after the posts have been made. I don't think there's anything more I can do to change minds at this point, so I'm gonna move on.

[...]
what are your reads besides that "level 0" town read on my slot from everything else that's being said?

Just from browsing the thread right now, and without having discussed with Greeting, I feel like the Past Present Future slot might be Town. Call it vibes idk, just feel like their posting is on par for the course so far.

I'm gonna take it slow I think, I don't really know how to handle a good chunk of the playerlist and I don't really know what to do with the multiball aspect of the game.

-Aisa

I'll give you a hint: it should be quite obvious who is who by now. I hope though that you'll keep your guesses to yourself so that it doesn't distract the players who cannot tell us apart.

would really help if some discussions would happen in this game. It's hard to make conversations and do inferences over "Yo" and stuff of that kind

There's already been discussion around your slot, mastina, professotic, and Bunny... What more are you looking for?

can everyone just post at least 1 read they feel more comfortable about based on past 6 pages and at least 2 sentences explaining it?

No because this is busy work.
~Mumps

I only skimmed and haven’t bothered to read the rest, I might later I don’t know but I’ll respond to these here.

@MMR you stated the following

I don't like this post because it is a filler question and reads to me as "Tell me who is scum so I can mindlessly sheep without making a decision for myself".
In post 18, mastina wrote:
REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.

Hi, I am town.

Scum.
In post 31, professotic wrote:
VOTE: dingle
legit

How do you have a "legit" vote on Scarecrow based off a single post?“


So for the first thing you quoted, I do agree with you in that regard. Although I don’t think I ever played with TicTac other then this game.
But as I know I am town, I know that is NAI for them.

Also, in the Dingle thing they told me why they found it wolfy in Hydra Chat.

[professotic]

So just skimming.
It seems the posts you dislike are all made by TicTac.

[professotic]

Maybe try talking to the great professor?
Aka me who can make themselves obvious town.

[professotic]

Mastina is probably scum but it's not worth it

Radja is probably scum and it is worth it!

VOTE: Radja

I haven't actually read most of the thread yet, forgot how daunting Larges can be, BUT this stuck out to me skimming the last page.

What defines "worth it" here? Because it sure sounds like either mastina's your buddy, or you're trying to make us think she is.

Either way,
VOTE: T-Bone

I don’t like this push.
It feels like you know you won’t be pushing us as a wagon further and is going to someone else.

I find both those posts from T-Bone Null and Jokey.
Why did it warrant your vote?

[professotic]

having both of us posting in a row must be confusing 2 people
pedit: agree w that one

[professotic]

You should sheep me Professor, all the top scumhunters are doing it.

No thanks.
I’m currently neutral on Radja, don’t got a read on them yet but there are others a find more wolfy.

[professotic]

Basically.

Town Pile: Furtive, Save the Dragons and MMR
Wolf Pile: Dingle, PPF, Radical and mastina
(Some in the wolf pile can subject to change depending on future events.)

[professotic]

TicTac said they TR T-Bone a bit so I’ll throw them into the Town Pile as well.

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic

Probably my best scumread so far. Not the strongest, but I'm fairly confident there's enough odd stuff going on with this slot.

I've played with tictac briefly. Never played with ProfessorDrapion, but witnessed him play in Mini Normal 2280, which I hosted. They don't sign their posts, but from what I've read, I would estimate like 70-80% of content comes from tictac and only 20-30% comes from ProfessorDrapion. And this is the first thing that is off about this slot. In my experience, tictac has been less active than he is in his past games and ProfessorDrapion has been one of the most active in Mini Normal 2280. Even if his posts didn't give too much content, he was always kinda there. This activity pattern makes me think that they might have decided to let tictac lead the way and ProfessorDrapion take a step back.

I've had a bad vibe from

Enchant

's entrance post too. Obviously I know it was RVS, yadda yadda etc. But still, at the time

Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

made 26, I thought this is a valid early read, and

professotic

(most likely the tictac head) coming after

Scarecrow

posting this was unwarranted (60). Also, the vote itself (31), RVS or not, came chronologically before the justification for it (60). None of these two things would bother me so much individually, but in combination they are giving me en err vibe. So that's the second thing.

I don't buy the

furtiveglance

townread at all. In my experience, he's been quite active and actively scumhunting in his past games, and I get the feeling that he doesn't care that much about this game at all. This doesn't really warrant townreading him, especially with such confidence. That's the third thing.

~Greeting

Um.
I’m pretty sure I’ve been making more content then TicTac.
I made the readslist.

[professotic]

"being alarmed" is not serious enough to warrant any sort of sorting behavior.

i think this is correct.

Hence, FA just said that to throw shade and test the waters without having to get invested.

this isn't. she said that in context of her read on mastina if i remember correctly.
i have a lot of minor thoughts that don't warrant writing about unless they become relevant in some other context also.

[professotic]

the idea that i'm more active because i'm scum is funny.
the posts w no large letter are mine, if someone managed to miss that btw.
pedit: uh, ok?
ppedit: that's a different point i think, don't remember the context

[professotic]

don't give me this bullshit

like, u asked 4 feedback.
gonna read it, just not now

[professotic]

VOTE: Past Present Future
This slot has gotten worse.
If this slot flips wolf like I think it will and our slot is gone tomorrow, vote put Mastina.
I individually wolf read both but also see wolf equity with both.

[professotic]

For PPF to say “I don’t find anything wolfy but there is nothing I directly liked about this slot”. (- not exact words but what I got out of it.
And have that as an “ok I’m down with this for the entire day” factor is wolfy.

And their other new content is also bad.

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic

hi i am alive

Hello.

Where is your head at currently?

I see your vote is on me so perhaps you disagree with some stuff I have said.

[professotic]

I rolled dice for person who i will blindly sheep whole d1

Now Bunnyonce is doublevoter

Glorious

Bunnyonce voting you so do i

Oh right.
My bad.

[professotic]

Maid Cafe seems to have similar thoughts as me and they make a fair point in regards to FA.

Town Pile they go!

[professotic]

17 player game should have what? 5 Non-Town at most?

[professotic]

1 Radical Rat - Wolf Pile
2 Mastina - Wolf Pile
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - Lock Town Pile
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant)- Wolf Pile
5 Child of Fairies - Null Pile
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - Wolf Pile
7 Yume* - Null Pile
8 Enchant - Null Pile
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - Null Pile
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - Town Pile
11 Frozen Angel - Null Pile (Maybe put in Town Pile soon)
12 Maid Cafe - Town Pile
13 Korina - Null Pile
14 Furtiveglance - Town Pile
15 Save the Dragons - Town Pile
16 T-Bone - Town Pile
17 radja - Null Pile

[professotic]

Probably best to sort out my nulls.
Child, Yume, Enchant, Bunny, FA, Korina and Radja

[professotic]

Actually if I’m not mistaken I replaced into Radja wolf slot on a game from the Fortress of Lies site.
So I could probably use that for meta.

[professotic]

I remember when I replaced into the slot it was LYLO and I directly stated my slot was wolfy as hell.
We still won that F5 LYLO though cause I’m the golden one at both alignments.

[professotic]

Nope my bad that player was called “Ranta” not “Radja”.

[professotic]

Correct!

[professotic]

VOTE: mastina
u r doing ur dead-thread thing using technically true statements to push nonsense.

The one and only area I falter in is knowing which meta is which.

i think this was the only lie in the post.

[professotic]

@tictac, can you link a town multiball game of yours? Thanks.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500
maf + arsonist closed game, it's the closest thing besides this one.

[professotic]

I think its bad that you townread FA for it.
That puts you down on the ladder for me.

I think its very possible you fabricated that read to position yourself close to FA, who usually is a very active player(been a while since I've played, but that's how I remember it)

u treating me/bun as interchangeable does make me think u interacting w the thread instead of sorting individuals.
first time playing w u tho. is this typical of u? (better answered by non-u actually if there is one w familiarity. u can designate someone)

can u name a player from phone?

[professotic]

VOTE: mastina
u r doing ur dead-thread thing using technically true statements to push nonsense.

The one and only area I falter in is knowing which meta is which.

i think this was the only lie in the post.

Usually you ask me if you want to take the vote off since we share it.
Although I wolf read both anyway so.

[professotic]

VOTE: furtiveglance

Greeting says that the town!furtive he knows is a lot more outspoken and solvey. I countered that maybe furtive just hasn't gotten into this game yet, but Greeting rightfully points out we can vote him for pressure if nothing else. Looking at furtive's ISO I'm starting to suspect Greeting actually has a point, furtive feels like he's lacking a certain fire for solving the game.

Do you wanna talk about Radja, furtive?

-Aisa

I’m fairly confident they are town.

[professotic]

Mastina is probably scum but it's not worth it

Radja is probably scum and it is worth it!

VOTE: Radja

VOTE: Radja

I am keeping my scope on you Mastina.

I think this wagon is where town is and should go.

I am a prophet trust in me.

The day I trust in either you or Drap. is ths day I get a permanent lobotomy.

Actually I’m more accurate then 90% of the entire FM communities.

[professotic]

So trusting me is +EV if your town.

But I think there is a decent chance your slot is wolf.

[professotic]

I can be wrong about some sure, but I’m more right overall then not.

[professotic]

Let me say this much.

PPF, Mastina and Radical are NEVER all town.
They contain at minimum 1 wolf, I don’t directly think all 3 are wolves but 2 is decently probable.

[professotic]

Let’s not forget last game Meg hosted, I Night killed both mafia and was single handily the reason town won.

[professotic]

Also me and Tic Tac agree that Dingle has gotten better for us.
(Well they mentioned it in Hydra Chat and I agree with it.)

[professotic]

Plus they way Klick voted us didn’t feel opportunistic.
Felt like a genuine Townie that was concerned on our slot.

[professotic]

So I think professotic is scum
but Bella was like 'Professor Drapion is good I don't want him out yet'
but now she's saying she disagrees with a lot of his takes
so I asked if we could vote them pretty please
and she said yes
the end

VOTE: professotic

If I may ask though Klick.

What’s your reasoning for wolf reading us?

[professotic]

Mastina is probably scum but it's not worth it

Radja is probably scum and it is worth it!

VOTE: Radja

VOTE: Radja

I am keeping my scope on you Mastina.

I think this wagon is where town is and should go.

I am a prophet trust in me.

The day I trust in either you or Drap. is ths day I get a permanent lobotomy.

Actually I’m more accurate then 90% of the entire FM communities.

You mean like after you continued to insist I was scum in the dead thread even after Noraa slipped I was town?

I called you and Nora both wolves.
I was half right on that read.

[professotic]

Actually Klick for you I can provide Meta since you remember me from back in the old days on my old account TSE.

[professotic]

Although in the game I played with you I think you were wolf.

[professotic]

Do you remember me?
TrueSoulEnergy?

[professotic]

Ring a Bell?

[professotic]

Let’s not forget last game Meg hosted, I Night killed both mafia and was single handily the reason town won.

I know we’re not scum and I wasn’t in whatever game you’re talking about.

You/Mastina/Radical

Minimum 1 Wolf.

[professotic]

I already said I mixed up Radja with Ranta if you read.

[professotic]

Am I suppose to help you with someone else’s meta when I don’t know it?

[professotic]

1 Radical Rat - Wolf Pile
2 Mastina - Wolf Pile
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - Lock Town Pile
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant)- Wolf Pile
5 Child of Fairies - Null Pile
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - Wolf Pile
7 Yume* - Null Pile
8 Enchant - Null Pile
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - Null Pile
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - Town Pile
11 Frozen Angel - Null Pile (Maybe put in Town Pile soon)
12 Maid Cafe - Town Pile
13 Korina - Null Pile
14 Furtiveglance - Town Pile
15 Save the Dragons - Town Pile
16 T-Bone - Town Pile
17 radja - Null Pile

Dingle can go back into Null Pile
Idk which Math replaced into but that can go into Town Pile.

[professotic]

Why are we the only ones voting a mafia member?
You guys really want a miss execution don’t yeah?

[professotic]

Actually wait it’s possible it could be Radja but to me it’s 50/50 and there is allot more clear wolves to me.


I do like all but one of the voters on Radja but doesn’t mean they are wolf.
I think they would be the weakest wolf if they are on but I still think it’s 50/50.

[professotic]

Why are we the only ones voting a mafia member?
You guys really want a miss execution don’t yeah?

I think Mastina is scum.

No one else does yet.

Mastina will either prove herself to everyone or I will be proven wrong.

I have only seen Mastina go deep once or twice and I think the Mastina problem takes care of herself.

Look who we are voting M8.

We are trying to push for a Mastina wagon.

[professotic]

Also you can just use the excuse “it’ll work itself out”

You do that and the wolf will just keep surviving day by day and it’ll just never happen and they will win.
Someone needs to do something to make a wolf go over or a wolf won’t go over.

[professotic]

An example is even if Radja is a wolf.

It was T-Bone who is pushing it and doing something about it.


If no one pushes and no one does anything about it, especially to strong wolf players like Mastina.

They will just strive past and win.

[professotic]

You guys are literally just settling for two wagons, which is poor IMO and only leads to miss execution and more wolf agenda.

I’m town and Radja is 50/50 so you guys are just sitting on two town.

You all need to be pressuring more and doing more please.
Wolves don’t just come around and be like “Hey! Look at me! I’m a wolf!”
You gotta do something about it.

We have days to do discussion and with it you can pressure slots and get more out of it.
Don’t just waste a day and let mafia linger around gaining little to no attention at all.

[professotic]

You think mine and tictac’s pressure on Mastina means anything? Lol.

To a wolf all they see is a town with 4 votes on them is voting them.
That’s it.


They don’t fear something they know they can miss execute.

[professotic]

Fact we have 4 votes meaning we are being suspected and if it’s only us voting a wolf chances are or at least the wolf thinks that no one else is going to pressure or jump onto them cause no one cares to follow the person voting them.

It’s simple mafia facts.

[professotic]

An example is even if Radja is a wolf.

It was T-Bone who is pushing it and doing something about it.


If no one pushes and no one does anything about it, especially to strong wolf players like Mastina.

They will just strive past and win.

And I don’t think Mastina escapes.

There’s anywhere from 2 -> 6 or more wolves

I don’t have to have Mastina today.

That’s fair.
But you aren’t even trying to provide much pressure.
So when you do end up pressuring them later on you are giving mafia the opportunity to put you in a danger position.

At that point if one or more town accuse you of being a wolf, all the wolf has to do is vote you and survive and make sure they don’t go over.

All they want to do is make sure they live, that’s it.

If you don’t pressure a wolf, you will get pressured later.


I’m not saying you have to vote them and stay on them but you need to make them pressured you need to make them scared or else they can find a way and use town to keep them alive and take you out.

[professotic]

I think you’re panicking here without reading between the lines.

I don’t think I can convince you right now.

That’s okay.

I will read the rest after work.

I am not interested in a fight that can be resolved later when I have ample evidence to explain my case.

We should still avoid an ML if possible.
I don’t like the fact that people have just been sitting on me all day as a wagon.
Like no one has been trying to push up a new wagon a new slot they believe can be wolf.

My legacy if we die is this, If we want to win y’all need to pick up the pressure going forward.

We do have a confirmable like role, doesn’t directly clear us but we can confirm our ability.

[professotic]

The dudes 50/50, the player style of that player is -EV considering he’s in inactive type that doesn’t seem to do a whole lot.

I can’t vote a wagon I can’t be confident in.

[professotic]

I’m not against it going over since “-EV” but I’d still highly prefer a likely wolf going through instead.

[professotic]

Drap are you by any chance originally from MU? Because most people on MS use the term scum unless there referring to a deep wolf. On MU people use villager instead of town and wolf instead of scum.

My origins date back all the way to Town of Salem Forums.
Due to the inactivity they no longer do mafia anymore.
So the main site I use is Fortress of Lies which was previously Forum of Lies but the site got shut down.

[professotic]

I think its bad that you townread FA for it.
That puts you down on the ladder for me.

I think its very possible you fabricated that read to position yourself close to FA, who usually is a very active player(been a while since I've played, but that's how I remember it)

u treating me/bun as interchangeable does make me think u interacting w the thread instead of sorting individuals.
first time playing w u tho. is this typical of u? (better answered by non-u actually if there is one w familiarity. u can designate someone)

can u name a player from phone?

doesn't seem like a hard question. i think he's in antispew.
mastina is also scum tho, i'll talk to prof.

[professotic]

I should also say this.

TicTac said the following things in wolf chat:
Mastina should know them best and shouldn’t be wolf reading them here if they are town.
PPF’s hydra members (Titus and Nancy) apparently have reverse reads.
Says that one should be town reading him and the other should be incorrectly wolf reading him.
But it’s somehow vice versa or whatever.

[professotic]

Hydra Chat*


I love how when I’m talking with someone I always resort to wolf chat.
Lmao.

[professotic]

One of these days when I get mason I swear I’ll say Mafia Chat and I might just purposely go with it to confuse the fuck out of people cause I’m a dumbass.

[professotic]

I should also say this.

TicTac said the following things in wolf chat:
Mastina should know them best and shouldn’t be wolf reading them here if they are town.
PPF’s hydra members (Titus and Nancy) apparently have reverse reads.

Says that one should be town reading him and the other should be incorrectly wolf reading him.

But it’s somehow vice versa or whatever.

I gotta say this makes absolutely no sense to me. Why should I be sr your slot and Titus tr it? I really want an explanation for that.

u saw me (tictac) last as inactive town, titus as inactive scum.
so the reads are different from what i expected.
tis a random pt-ramble i didn't feel like sharing in main.
r u mainly reading us from drap then?

also mastina push on fa is a better reason 2 scumread mastina since it's clear intentional nonsense as opposed the push on me which is just "prof-scum" + vote, which folk sometimes do as town.

[professotic]

he whom smelt it, dealt it

this post was funny

[professotic]

@radj still would like a name of a player who is familiar w u.

[professotic]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89835
titus
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87655
u. don't actually recall another game w u.
ah squid.
and day1-inactive i suppose.

[professotic]

i mean, it's not only the not making sense.
it's the full lack of meaning behind the word-salad.

[professotic]

Hot take scum reads: Radja, Dingle Dangle, Radical Rat slot

I can get behind this but I also believe Mastina and PPF should be on here.

[professotic]

I don't think it's Prof or Radja anymore. Don't think it's Mastina either

Hmm.
How about this?

VOTE: Radical Rat

[professotic]

@MMR
@Maid Cafe
@Save the Dragons replacement

Opinions on this slot?

[professotic]

@FA, what do you think of Radja's explanation of why they commented on our post, but not other similar posts?

[...]
Don't think it's Mastina either

Why not?

-Aisa

Just seems towny n that. Granted I only have 1 towngame of experience with em but still

Hot Take:
Bunny is wolves with Mastina and is talking to Furtive!Town here.
Which if you all look is something a wolf can do cause it could be done for serval reasons here that benefit them in that situation.

[professotic]

So I come into thread and Mastina is open wolfing?

[professotic]

Mastina has been wrong in metas this game.
They are wolf.

[professotic]

1 Radical Rat - Wolf
2 Mastina - Most Confident Wolf
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - Lock Town
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - Mafia (went back)
5 Child of Fairies - Null
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - Mafia
7 Yume** - Null
8 Enchant - Null
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - Mafia
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - Town
11 Frozen Angel - Town
12 Maid Cafe* - Town
13 Korina Mathblade - Town
14 Furtiveglance - Town
15 Save the Dragons* - Town
16 T-Bone - Town
17 radja - Null but probably town

[professotic]

I feel like Bunny and Mastina have high partner equity tbh.

[professotic]

Look right here folks.

Look at the fake ass wolf read on us.

[professotic]

Lmao.


Mastina saying “oh TicTac but I don’t wanna explain why they wolf”
Lmao.

Look Mastina let me make something clear.
My name is Professor Drapion. I am a high tier player.
I decided to be a hydra with a randomly chosen player known as TicTac.
I have no idea how this dude plays but I do know that in Hydra Chat this man told me that you should be town reading us but you aren’t and he said you should know his meta better.
You also haven’t mentioned my side of the hydra once.

Your read on us is fake and isn’t genuine, your vote on us has no meaning.
Either get a real reason for wolf reading us and explain that reason, or admit your read is fake and get a new one.

[professotic]

I feel like Bunny and Mastina have high partner equity tbh.

I disagree. I can’t figure out who with but it’s unlikely bunny. I don’t think she points out the question that no one else did if aligned with Mastina

It’s the way bunny reacted to Furtive.


Also it’s more likely a wolf responds to their partner like that.
Seen it done before, easy to accomplish.

[professotic]

I'm still here, still haven't properly read. My less-busy section of week is approaching and I'll do a proper reading then, pinky swear.
For now though, rough instinct says MathBlade Town.

Hmm.

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null

Oh I think I found the third scum on the Bunnyone scumteam!

I actually think I'm more sure on RR being scum than on Radja, tbh.

Radical Rat isn't scum with any of FA/professotic/MathBlade but I think he's scum now.

(I don't remember why I had him as town but looking at this post, it just ~clicked~.)

So that's:
SCUM TEAM ONE: {FA, professotic, MathBlade}

SCUM TEAM TWO: {Bunnyonce, Radical Rat, ?Radja?}.

Bro I don’t even understand these two teams stuff.

Is it confirmed to be a multi ball?

[professotic]

Let me say this much.
PPF, Mastina and Radical are NEVER all town.
They contain at minimum 1 wolf, I don’t directly think all 3 are wolves but 2 is decently probable.

Oh you have a fairly good odds of being right on RR but PPF and I are both 100% town and this was not a post made actually expecting there to be a scum within. You thought it was three town so if there's scum in there it's purely coincidental tbh.

LMFAO.
“You think it’s all town”

This isn’t a real genuine thought.

I’ve explained why.
I can also say that I don’t think the vote on our slot, followed by the even worse one (Mastina) and the brief mention but no concern (PPF) are all town.

It’s an obvious thought and can easily be seen from how everything went down.

At this point your just obviously lying and everyone will just know your super obvious wolf.

[professotic]

Like I’m sorry but how your posting, especially the “coincidental tbh” is how a wolf posts.

Like it’s basic mafia.

[professotic]

Plus they way Klick voted us didn’t feel opportunistic.
Felt like a genuine Townie that was concerned on our slot.

This is also a bullshit read btw since it doesn't carry through to other slots.

Do you remember me?
TrueSoulEnergy?

Oh thanks for that, that gives me the info to call

both

halves of you scum rather than just the tictac half since this is not TSE's towngame!

1)I think it looked good sure, but after that I just didn’t see much else in terms of improvement and they trended back down as it can still be fake but not looking or trying not to be opportunistic.
2)Lol you haven’t played with me in a long time and do you even remember a game? Provide me a link to a game you seen my play and explain why it’s different. Your just blatantly lying about meta tbh and I’m sorry but if a town member town reads you their fucking nuts.

[professotic]

I'm still here, still haven't properly read. My less-busy section of week is approaching and I'll do a proper reading then, pinky swear.
For now though, rough instinct says MathBlade Town.

Hmm.

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null

Oh I think I found the third scum on the Bunnyone scumteam!


You know I didn’t even read that.
I actually think I'm more sure on RR being scum than on Radja, tbh.

Radical Rat isn't scum with any of FA/professotic/MathBlade but I think he's scum now.

(I don't remember why I had him as town but looking at this post, it just ~clicked~.)

So that's:
SCUM TEAM ONE: {FA, professotic, MathBlade}

SCUM TEAM TWO: {Bunnyonce, Radical Rat, ?Radja?}.

Bro I don’t even understand these two teams stuff.

Is it confirmed to be a multi ball?

Solar Cult and Lunar Cult - These are the two scum factions. They have nonstandard factional abilities and are not neccisarily identical. Although they are flavored as cults, conversion abilities are neither confirmed nor denied to exist.
¤ Third Parties and alternative win cons do not exist
¤ Each non-town faction wins when they make up half the remaiming players, and the other scumteam is all eliminated.
¤ Random elements may be present in the setup, but none will be randomized after the start of the game.

From the OP.

[professotic]

You know I didn’t even read that.

But I like the concept of Sun and Moon.

[professotic]

This is just comedic at how bad this is.

I just *cant*

Like you’re walking in a heavenly bakery and calling it hell bad.

Dude they are blatantly open wolfing.

Although now knowing this is a multi ball setup I’m not too sure about your slot but your definitely not aligned with Mastina.
(Pretty sure Bunny, Rat, PPF, Dingle have their partners.)


I should probably vote the outed wolf though instead of Rat who isn’t outed.
VOTE: mastina

[professotic]

I’m sorry but for anyone who thinks Mastina isn’t a wolf.
Mastina is just straight out blatantly lying and being fake.

And not just about meta.

[professotic]

Not in a wolfy way but more they're too prideful to step back from it and it's hard to tell if that's wolf motivated or not as I drum my fingers on the table.

MathBlade's is--his entrance has been designed from the getgo to try and look town and recover the bad position his scumteam is in.

He would sure LIKE for you to write the fight off as TvT.

He would sure LIKE for you to call it an ego battle.

But it's not.

He IS scum here, period.

This makes me more confident in my Maid Town Read.

This interaction is unaligned.

[professotic]

Ok so

Mastina/PPF/Bunny is one team.

I want to say the other one contains at least one of Radical/Dingle.

[professotic]

Mastina’s vote and read on us is fake, I’ve explained how serval other of their things are fake.
And they are lying.


Y’all are nuts still thinking Mastina is town.

[professotic]

Trust me if I was on a team there is a decent chances I wouldn’t say this and just try and slowly kill the other team off without mentioning it.

[professotic]

If I’m not mistaken Dingle I’d Bella/Klick.

@Dingle
Tbh man I don’t really care if your the other team at this point tbh, I want Mastina the obvious wolf to be executed today.

It benefits your team getting rid of a member from the other team, vote it,

[professotic]

Also @Bella
I caught you in the last game just like I caught Mastina here, you know how I play.

[professotic]

@mastina.

Tip for next time when your wolf up against the great town Drapion.

In order to deceive him you either need to pocket him or avoid interacting with him.

Cause I’ll just catch any wolf who challenges/pushes me.

[professotic]

I realize that scumastina is well-known for falling behind.
But anyone trying to use that to shade me can fuck off.“

This was never a single one of my reasons.
Activity is NAI.


Your obsessed with Meta when the Meta your providing is factionally wrong and you are just saying shit (least to our slot) with nothing to go with it, aka fake.

[professotic]

“When I say scumastina does literally nothing, I mean LITERALLY NOTHING BUT PROD DODGING, zero content in the prodges. Literally. Zero.”

I’ve seen multiple players used this exact reasoning, more then you’d expect.
Stuff like this doesn’t mean a thing.
Wolves also say this and so does town so this statement is NAI.

But to say you aren’t wolf cause “no low activity” is utter bullshit.

[professotic]

Look idc how much you discredit your own wolf games, it doesn’t stop you from being a wolf using any excuse you can find to justify how you “aren’t a wolf”


Your entire meta shit this entire game is fake and wrong.

[professotic]

Mastina is avoiding the stuff that I say.
Refusing to interact with me cause they know I’m right.


I consider this a win win.
Drapion 1, Wolves Zero.

[professotic]

Btw for obvious reasons, I didn't want to say this out loud, but fuckit, sure, why not.


Another reason (as if I needed more) that I think that MathBlade is scum is because of his role breadcrumbs.

Obviously, I could be wrong about what he's breadcrumbing.

But it looks to me like he's breadcrumbing a role that is basically my role.
Obviously, I could be off-base. Mistaken entirely about what role he is hinting to have.

But if I wasn’t phoneposting from work, I could pull up the post from him that looks to me like he's claiming my role.

Suffice to say, I have zero interest in claiming today (the NUMEROUS breadcrumbs I've given already should be plenty sufficient for when I do claim), but when I eventually do claim, I'll point out the MathBlade posts which made me think that he's trying to claim what's essentially my role.

By virtue of it BEING my role, naturally, I don’t think that him having it would be town. And this isn’t a case of mirror roles, either.

But for obvious reasons, I shouldn't elaborate further. Even this much is arguably too much.

None of this is about me and my slot.

Fake read on me = always mafia. Fact.

[professotic]

I am thinking Mastina and furtive are teamed.

Mastina is town for me, T-Bone's vote is a scum pile-on.

Well your normally wrong on reads so this doesn’t surprise me.

[professotic]

So Mastina still continuing to ignore me is being noted.


@Yume
I want to resolve your slot/alignment.


What’s your reasoning for voting me.
I noticed you are sheeping Mastina on me.
But what is

Your

reasoning for wanting me executed.

[professotic]

Like I get you think Mastina is a good player and you like her on a personal level or what not.

But what inspired you to want to vote me and why do you believe I am a wolf?

[professotic]

eieio

Welcome to the Game!

[professotic]

So I think Enchant is town.

I was town twice in a game where Enchant was Town and the other where they were wolf.

They are more like their town game cause Enchant is more aggressive as a wolf IMO.

[professotic]

To answer MMR.

I don’t have meta on Mastina or at least don’t remember their Playstyle.
But regardless, I’m sure as town they make real reads and real thoughts so.

[professotic]

As I said Mastina has made fake reads/thoughts.
I have higher expectations for them as town.


Radical’s vote on them is actually a good look cause I agree with their reasoning quite allot.

[professotic]

I am thinking Mastina and furtive are teamed.

Mastina is town for me, T-Bone's vote is a scum pile-on.

Well your normally wrong on reads so this doesn’t surprise me.

Says the guy who faked a guilty in LOST!

Sure but don’t take what I say the wrong way.

I’m saying I’d expect Town!You to be town reading wolves more often then not.

[professotic]

So it’s a good look for you.

[professotic]

@MMR

Explain to me how that post by Yume is Townie?
Looks Null to me.

[professotic]

“This is typical from Yume. If anything, it's very slightly +Town for Yume.”

I’m still trying to comprehend how a null post that can easily be posted as a wolf is “slightly Townie”

Elaborate? @MMR

[professotic]

1 Radical Rat - Town
2 Mastina - Mafia
3 professotic (Hydra of Professordrapion and tictac) - LockTown
4 Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (Hydra with Klick and Bellaphant) - Mafia
5 Scarfmanship - Null
6 Past Present Future (Hydra of Nancy Drew 39, Titus, and Auro) - Mafia
7 Yume** - Null
8 Enchant - Town
9 Bunnyonce (Hydra of Aisa and Greeting) - Mafia
10 MMR (Hydra of Ircher, RH9, and Roden) - Town
11 Frozen Angel - Null
12 Maid Cafe* - Town
13 Korina Mathblade - Town
14 Furtiveglance - Town
15 Save the Dragons* - Town
16 T-Bone - Town
17 radja - Null

Hmm so Mastina/PPF/Bunny as one team.
GTH maybe Dingle/FA/Radja as the other.

[professotic]

I’m the opposite.
I think how Bunny indirectly insisted on Mastina by asking furtive about their Mastina read.
I think that is likely what a partner does to try to avoid associating with the other one.

[professotic]

[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)

What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?

-Aisa

Specifically this post here.

I don’t think a Mastina scum buddy would highlight this. I think I would need that addressed before I would consider Mastina and Bunny aligned. I just think it’s way more likely they aren’t.

Read the post where Bunny responds to Furtive in regards to Mastina.

[professotic]

Also this post by PPF feels aligned.
“her emotional reactions read ridiculously over the top and extremely fake to me. She sounds genuinely tilted here.”
^ Referring to Mastina town meta.

Well thing is. Her reads ARE over the top and fake.
Their read on me is completely fake.
them thinking every player who voted them is a wolf is definitely fake and especially saying how they immediately teamed together.
Saying all the wolves are voting them is very fucking fake.


Your post thinking it’s not is very bad.

[professotic]

I like the entire ISO of Maid cafe, they are my one town read. My other town reads are all the people who were insignificant enough to not show up on my radar, except for the ones who aren't.

if town, mastina's mindset is a carefree town player who isn't afraid to draw attention to herself and cause trouble in a good way to catch mafia. if scum mastina is trying to control the narrative and be reckless (in appearance) town leader. Mastina accused math of trying to get rid of a threat, yet the same could be said both ways.

Scum mastina as reckless town leader doesn't make it to endgame, probably gets killed by bop or something, or nightkilled if its multiball like everyone says. If its multiball and scumastina knows its multiball, why draw attention to yourself? You could get nightkilled. Town and scum mathblade have similar motivations: survival, making it hard to read. I know mathblade is strong enough to fake the towny things they've said like not caring if they die early if not town.

In conclusion: How the hell am i supposed to know.

Onto my more valuable thoughts:

- Many people have called radical rat mafia, yet not a single person has voted there and had it show up in a vote count.
- Because I know I am a weak reader, I would very happily vote for some null people like the hydras with three word names, since I remember reading somewhere weak players are more likely to nullread mafia.
- As annoying as the strong voices mastina/mathblade are in a large game where I can name maybe 10-11 people, imagine if we kept them both alive and sniped a mafia d1. that would be sick.

I'll read the other half later. As for all the people who posted while I was reading, I am following absolutely nothing you are talking about.

VOTE: Radical Rat

I like this post.
But I have to argue that Radical Rat’s vote on Mastina was Townie.

@Scarf
Thoughts in regards to that?

[professotic]

Btw the folks that have said I am ignoring them/not responding to them/not explaining things/etc. are also being disingenuous as fuck and hard-scum for it because no fucking shit I've not responded to everything, I have had a hellish half a week or so which is looking to only get worse. (Pretty sure I'm sick now. And I can't go to sleep yet. I

could

nap, but if I nap, that means I don't get caught up tonight. So I can't nap. Can't nap, can't sleep, am probably sick, got two more days of work, so like. Objectively, I

shouldn't

be here. I'm here tho because I have to be. I don't want to not read/respond to key areas of the game. That's the nuclear option of absolute last resort. To prevent that from happening, I need to keep fighting to get caught up.)

(That said, literally anyone who has played with me should know that this is MILES out of my scum range. Like. Literally leagues out. And I mean out of my scumrange period. It's out of my multiball scumrange. And anyone who has played with me before pretending that this is in any way shape or form remotely similar to a past scumgame of mine? Is a fucking liar because it's self-evidently not.)

Lmao.

“Your lock wolf for being concerned”

Like bro, instead of complaining how about you stop being fake and give some actual shit.

I don’t give a fuck about your inactivity, this doesn’t prevent you from doing something when you are on.

Like here, you had the nerve to make this damn post but had no nerve to explain your read on our slot.

I fail to understand how what you have done in any way is town aligned. Cause I’ve seen multiple wolfy posts from you and fake shit.

I’m town, as town I am consistently communicating with others and making solves.

I understand you are busy or whatever but if you want to properly play the damn game you need to do something better then complain, make fake solves and talk about meta.
I’m serious, activity isn’t an excuse, I’ll take whatever you can provide with the low activity you have.
Cause from how I see this your just an obvious wolf right now.

[professotic]

Your busy with work and you feel sick.
I get it.
But again you took the time to post that and some other things so you can have the nerf to do more then “wolf due to meta cause lol”

I’m sorry, but that ain’t Townie or a real reason.

[professotic]

*Ah Hem*

“professotic has tictac not showing any of their town traits, while showing scum traits.
Professor is also playing to TSE's scumplay with their tone, phrasing, etc.
Both of them are posting reads and reasons that have the semblance of their towngame, but are lackluster compared to the real thing. Cheap imitations, made by having some genuine reads but knowing that they still have to fake things.”

Well this is better. Thanks.


Again as I said before, in Hydra chat TicTac was sus of you for not reading them correctly.
What about my tone and/or phrasing do you not like? Can you provide an example?

Your saying we are both “imitating are town meta but not to the extent of our actual town meta”
But yet again, I don’t see anything that shows why you think that.

“Genuine reads but still fake things”
My reads are genuine cause I’m town and What am I faking exactly?

[professotic]

I mean you might as well have told scum.

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

I wanted to sit and get reads and fucking listen to people.

FFS I'm literally confirmable.

I’m also confirmable.

Mastina is a wolf trying to get town to out for claims so they can get their team and the other wolf team ideas to night kill.

[professotic]

If Mastina is town they need to start acting like it cause they are playing so anti town right now and getting 2 town to claim Confirmability isn’t the way to go.

[professotic]

So I’m just going to hope I’m correct on saying Mastina is Obvious Wolf here.

[professotic]

“ If I flip before MathBlade does, look at these series of posts when MathBlade inevitably tries to pivot his claim away from these breadcrumbs of what his role is when he realizes he was trying to claim MY role as his.”

You know what, I’m just going to be an ass and fucking spite you.
If your a wolf, idc if Math is part of the other wolf team, I’ll never vote him ever.
Just cause of you.

[professotic]

I mean you might as well have told scum.

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

I wanted to sit and get reads and fucking listen to people.

FFS I'm literally confirmable.

I’m also confirmable.

Mastina is a wolf trying to get town to out for claims so they can get their team and the other wolf team ideas to night kill.

I was already dead anyway

Now the entire game is either going to kill me or buddy me making reads nigh on goddamn impossible.

Like sometimes I wanna just scream. I wanna curl up and cry right now.

If Mastina is town and saw and outed those crumbs she deserves this elim.

Like fuck I need to finish my read wall because I'm deader than a doornail probably.

Oh fuck we are probably both going to die before mid game.

[professotic]

“ If I flip before MathBlade does, look at these series of posts when MathBlade inevitably tries to pivot his claim away from these breadcrumbs of what his role is when he realizes he was trying to claim MY role as his.”

You know what, I’m just going to be an ass and fucking spite you.
If your a wolf, idc if Math is part of the other wolf team, I’ll never vote him ever.
Just cause of you.

Again I don’t mean this to be rude.
But I can be spiteful.

[professotic]

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

Okay not my role but I don't believe that to be a town role; I think that's a scum role for one specific reason:

¤

Solar Cult and Lunar Cult

- These are the two scum factions.

They have nonstandard factional abilities

A D2 dayvig sounds a lot like a nonstandard factional ability to me!

If I was making them myself.

I’d give Lunar a Link (link player to another player so they die together if they die.)
And I’d give Solar either an arsonist variant or a day kill.

[professotic]

Math let me make something clear to you.

Furtive is less aligned with Mastina then Bunny.

Stop with your damn bias ness boy.

Like look at Bunny trying to push up that Rat wagon.
Bunny was using Furtive and purposely trying to make them look aligned with Mastina.

Your argument is also invalid cause as wolf idk about you but I’m not afraid to interact with my partners the same way bunny is doing to Mastina.

[professotic]

Sometimes I'm worse.

But this game I'm not. I call building a town block on D1 a huge fucking improvement.

We're elimming Mastina. The only choice is whether or not you're on board.

I agree with Math on this one.

[professotic]

I don't support voting out

mastina

. I think she's town and her play is no different to what I've seen in my last game with her.

~Greeting

@Math

Bro I’m telling you Bunny and PPF are both mafia desperately trying to save their teammate.

[professotic]

VOTE: Radical Rat

For dodging questions. Other head free to change it, but I would like to put some pressure there first. Aisa believes

furtiveglance

started to enact his town meta so we would be moving this vote anyway.

~Greeting

This is a wolf using the blatant town read excuse to try to insist them to vote on the Rat wagon to save their teammate.
Classic wolf play.

Don’t fall for it Furtive.

[professotic]

@furtive
Be smart.

One wolf team is legit all outed right now.
Stay focused.

[professotic]

And this is similar to what mastina was doing but she's explained why and if I'm not misinterpreting, promised to do research.
Though, I still dislike the formation of the meta read before she did research.
As for Nancy, I

feel like she could be pocketed rather than scum defending a partner.

I remember that she behaved similarly when she was pocketed by Taly in LOST.
-Rubella

This is a good thought.
+Town Points

But the thing is there is a difference between being pocket and believing someone is town and defending a partner.
Certain ways you do it.

[professotic]

I wanted ONE FUCKING GAME where I'm not the center of attention. Where I could actually have a goddamn town block and work with it and work with people.

I EVEN EXPLICITLY SAID I WAS BEING STRATEGIC.

LIKE OMFG.

It's literally a scum claim to just up and day vig someone without a hella lot of crumbs and communication.

That s why I had no choice but to do it. But instead you make it out like some master evil plan.

NO I JUST WANTED TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

instead you decided not to let me and you force a fucking claim.

I hope you get speed elimmed so fast I hit refresh and I see your scum flip.

Wrong, you don't want to work with people. You want people to follow you without question, and anyone who questions you is scum.

Anyone who ignores whatever Mathblade is scum. Ignoring me I can understand, but they also ignore anyone else who tries to tell them mastina is town, like Past Present and Future. That feels like he is trying to ram mastina's lynch through no matter what anyone whose not them says. Which is not a townie mindset. They claim to want to work with people, and then

ignores anyone whose opinions don't align with theirs.

So do you wolf read Mastina too?
Cause if you look at the fact Mastina wolf reads anyone who voted them and ignored most of their posts that person voting them as made.
So…

[professotic]

I won’t say Math can’t be a wolf on the other wolf team but Mastina is very obvious wolf rn.

[professotic]

That’s where I come in.

As long as I’m not going psycho like I did with Titus, I can find wolves fairly easily.

[professotic]

I also maybe shouldn’t have done that fake red check but we won in the end so I’m not complaining.
I also told everyone Rad and Johnny was town so yay!

[professotic]

I’m trying to remember how Yume played one choice.
I think he was pretty slank.

[professotic]

Or is Yume a she? I don’t see no pronouns.

[professotic]

T-Bone shift from Radja to Mastina automatically narrows down to two worlds.

T-Bone is Town
T-Bone is exactly wolves with Radja and voted for distancing.

So I’m considering T-Bone my high town.

[professotic]

I know that saying this secures me as the elimination because if I were the one READING it, I'd call it scum AtE, especially since it is a very un-mastina-like thing to do. (And yes, that saying this, literally all of it, doesn’t make it any less scum.)

But to be honest.
Right now I'm not feeling like pretending to be mastina.

Or rather, I don’t want to feel boxed in to pretending to be what I know mastina is. I don’t have the time I wanted to talk about this, but I had a thought of,
"Why do I even bother."
I had the urge to post that, but a voice told me, "hey, that's not a thought that mastina should have, don't display it publicly".

And it's not!

It doesn't fit my style as either alignment. I don’t post that way as scum, I don't post that way as town, it's a very foreign concept to the mastina persona.

But I don’t feel like pretending to match the mastina persona right now.

I know that I have been in my towngame the entire time, and to briefly go back into the mastina persona:
Genuinely, if you are town, you NEVER get to EVER say you can read me again, EVER, if you scumread me. This is Genuinely one of my towniest games of all time, and if you can't see that, you don’t fucking know how to read me. And never pretend you can, because this isn’t an unusual game from me. This IS me.

Well, prior to this post, at least. But this single not-mastina post does not erase that my entire play prior to this WAS mastina. So if you thought that my content prior to this post wasn't me as town: NEVER claim that you can read me again. I will quote this post every. Single. Time. And will NOT let you forget.

But slipping back out of mastina mode, I had those thoughts.
"Why do I even try."
"What's the point of trying."
"I don’t know why I bother."
And even,
"I give up."

mastina never gives up. It's literally against her fundamental philosophy.

Scumastina believes in fighting to the bitter end. Even when she's literally confscum, she believes that the game isn’t over until the last scum dies. And if she's the last scum, she might know that she has a 0% chance of winning, but for good sport, she refuses to surrender and makes the town still work for the inevitable victory.
And in multiball, she has extra incentive to fight. If she goes down, her scumteam is pretty much fucked. (Multiball2 is notably an exception to this rule, because I was negative utility there. It was my belief that we couldn't win with me alive, so I needed to die. After setting FL up for success, obv.)

Town mastina is relentless. She is conviction personified. Absolute faith in herself to be right, no matter what. Being proven wrong isn’t a setback. And new evidence doesn't change prior reads, barring extreme circumstances.
She pushes, continuously, hard, with absolute strength and resolve, with the belief that she is right.
Literally every game recently, a song has had some of the lyrics play through my mind, a personification of my mindset:
"And I am VINDICATED. I am selfish, (I'm not wrong), I'm right, I know I'm right, I've been that way all along". (Not the exact lyrics of the song, mind you; my mental paraphrase of it with all alterations is me claiming the song as mine.)

So when I say mastina never gives up, I mean it. She never does. Regardless of her alignment. The thought of giving up is foreign to her.

But I don't feel like putting on the mastina persona right now, because with how much shit I'm going through, I just DO feel like giving up.

I've literally broken every promise I made to myself for mafia games. I've skipped working out, slacked off on work, am typing in a mafia game rather than working on my novel or keeping up to date on the discord servers I frequent. I haven't streamed, done art, played league or tft (I literally missed out on a full week of tft quests, which guarantees I don’t get the T3 emote) or the new Disney Dreamlight event.

My life has been pretty much exclusively games (which shows if you do a site search--when was my last non-game post? When was my last not-ongoing mafia post?), and I am angry. I am tired. I am frustrated. I am exhausted.

The mastina persona is in particular furious, but I don’t have the ability to muster forth the will to type out that rage. (Oh there’s definitely facets who want me to. But I have the steering wheel, not them, so I'm not.)

There is just physical, mental, and especially emotional, fatigue going on.

So I just don’t feel like trying anymore.

I know that it’s not a mastina thing to do, but I want to say it anyway:

Objectively, I know that MathBlade's way of claiming is probably town, that there are signs of him not being scum, and importantly: that scum are among those who say it's SvS, those who weakly say it's TvT without trying to defuse it unless they have a good reason they can't (e.g. Titus is town, with this belief, but swamped), and those on the sidelines, with a few who are also scum taking the most convenient stance for them.

But subjectively, I feel like MB was crumbing my type of role (by the way--not claiming. Fuck that.), not a killing role, and that his claim fits as a modified factional nightkill, and that 90+% of his posting is scum.

Plus, without him, the options for scum are rather slim.
My locktowns are NEVER scum here. PPF, Yume, etc. Are all never scum.

And most of my townreads, I feel quite strongly about.

So like, the scum pool is quite small.

I know that objectively I should listen to objectivity, but I don't have a direction, so I just don’t know what to do and feel like giving up.

I’m not gonna bother reading the rest cause this is once again “complaining” something wolves do more then town.

[professotic]

Complaining is one thing, Over Complaining is another and they are doing that.

They are trying to complain to get themselves out of execution.
Town does NOT do that.
Town works with the thread and not do this.

[professotic]

Oops left out ecples of locktown thatre never wrong.
Yume is always town, PPF always town, etc.
They're never ever scum.

@Math Mastina AND partners are outed.

4 main players defending them.
Yume, PPF, Bunny and Furtive.

Notice how they don’t add the last 2 cause they don’t want to do Bunny as well cause then it looks TOO obvious.

[professotic]

PPF and Bunny just outed after this flips wolf and THEY know it!

[professotic]

That’s where I come in.

As long as I’m not going psycho like I did with Titus, I can find wolves fairly easily.

I'd like to know which head made this post. I didn't see you "going psycho" but an apology makes me feel better as a person. I am feeling a bit demotivated by the mastina v MathBlade fight. My reads are stale, but I felt they're both town. I don’t have the energy to seing this but I really hope to.

I'd like to start my reset with my read on you. Can you tell me where you are game wise?

Sorry if this post is unclear. I got like 4 hours of sleep last night.
~Titus

First one I’m not going to respond to cause seems fake cause it’s me that is making you lose WiM cause I’m a GOAT.
Second thing, Another Fake thing cause you should know where I am Gamestate wise.


TicTac hasn’t posted in thread much and recently they were saying in Hydra Chat that they basically don’t like how heating things are or whatever.

[professotic]

Also “Give up being Mastina”
Lol ok wolf.

You can’t give up being yourself but you can change/improve yourself but you are still yourself.

[professotic]

Team 1 Mastina/Bunny/PPF
Team 2 FA/Radja/Dingle

[professotic]

so i think what is happening here is people are using kinda meta-level reasoning, that says that since scum-mastina is capable of looking town, people who see her as obvious scum here are either mistaken, or exaggerating.
so they aren't really looking at what she is writing.
only it's not actually wise to think one knows better than reality.

and sure, one could say it's silly to do obviously scummy things when one is capable of better.
but really, this is mastina, who self-identifies as 'cheeky scumfuck'. of course she would.

also, of course she knows exactly how towny she is not being.
i fully agree that people who misread her here (thinking she could be town) are not demonstrating awesome reading comprehension skills.
just go read 304 again.

agree that the game feels stale.
we should yeet mastina already.

[professotic]

so i think what is happening here is people are using kinda meta-level reasoning, that says that since scum-mastina is capable of looking town, people who see her as obvious scum here are either mistaken, or exaggerating.
so they aren't really looking at what she is writing.
only it's not actually wise to think one knows better than reality.

and sure, one could say it's silly to do obviously scummy things when one is capable of better.
but really, this is mastina, who self-identifies as 'cheeky scumfuck'. of course she would.

also, of course she knows exactly how towny she is not being.
i fully agree that people who misread her here (thinking she could be town) are not demonstrating awesome reading comprehension skills.
just go read 304 again.

agree that the game feels stale.
we should yeet mastina already.

^
TicTac wrote this not me so everyone is clear.

[professotic]

I'm officially announcing that Scarfmanship is the counter wagon to Mastina.

This is not a mod announcement.

VOTE: Enchant

I liked furtive’s posts up to this point.
This is the first post of theirs I find a bit wolfy.

[professotic]

Lol.
No Enchant is Town.
They aren’t like the wolf game.
They push a bit more as a wolf, more aggressive.

[professotic]

To me.
Mastina = Wolf
Scarf is lean wolf.


Mastina = Town
Scarf is Town

[professotic]

Because even if mastina gets limmed, Mathblade will just pick another target to tunnel and once that target is limmed, he'll pick yet another one. Rinse and repeat.

So yeah, if there is a cult, I want in it...

I literally have said after Mastina right or wrong I am going back to lurking

As a dayvig I have to be right.

The only reason Mastina became an issue is because she made it one.

And there's a reason you're not convincing those of us who actually know her on a personal level.

You mean like the people on wagon who know her at a personal level?

As I said please discuss other players

I have been trying to encourage it

But you and I talking isn’t healthy.

People who actually know her on a personal level are not on the wagon.

Technically TicTac shared their vote with me and they know Mastina well or at least to the point where Mastina should know TicTac’s meta according to TicTac and it’s wolfy she doesn’t know it and realize we are town.

[professotic]

I've felt pretty lost.
Yume seems Town.
I also support Greeting thinking that MB is town. He is wiser than me and saw things that I didn't. He pointed out that Math seems to really believe in his push. Now I see the light too.
I am not sure why my other head suspects RR but I think a vote there seems fine.
I think the game would really benefit from somebody casing someone other than MathBlade or mastina, but I am not that person right now. Ha. Haha.

I've seen a question about why people tr mastina. Personally, from what I've seen she seems to really believe in her push. I don't know that I would care to case MB so relentlessly unless I actually believed in my read.

-Aisa

I've felt pretty lost.
Yume seems Town.
I also support Greeting thinking that MB is town. He is wiser than me and saw things that I didn't. He pointed out that Math seems to really believe in his push. Now I see the light too.
I am not sure why my other head suspects RR but I think a vote there seems fine.
I think the game would really benefit from somebody casing someone other than MathBlade or mastina, but I am not that person right now. Ha. Haha.

I've seen a question about why people tr mastina. Personally, from what I've seen she seems to really believe in her push. I don't know that I would care to case MB so relentlessly unless I actually believed in my read.

-Aisa

2 things.

1)Bunny and Yume are unaligned and I’d always vote Bunny first.
2)Her push on us is very weak and doesn’t seem convicted enough where I can see it coming from town.
I could be wrong but I also responded to her case on me and I don’t remember her responding back which (even though she is busy) if she is convicted like you claim then she should respond to everything I have given her.
I have said multiple things but she mostly talks about me in 3rd person and doesn’t talk to me directly from what I recall. And that’s usually a wolf tell.
I mean not that it’s needed when she has a ton of other wolf tells already lol.

[professotic]

So have fun with mislimming mastina. See you on D2 when you actually listen.

BTW as I said previously if Mastina is wolf, Furtive isn’t aligned with them.
And now with this post I’m also convinced neither is Yume.


@Math
Please listen to me here on this, I know I’m right on these unaligned reads here.

[professotic]

I’m actually pushing bunny tomorrow if Mastina flips Red like I’m almost confident they will.

[professotic]

Also here is something said by TicTac in hydra chat but our chat rules I believe I have to put it in my own words.

TicTac said if someone can’t see mastina-scum here, nothing they can say will register as language to them so TicTac isn’t going to bother to make a case on Mastina himself.

[professotic]

Pur chat rules*

But yeah you get the point.


Allot of sites I’ve been to doesn’t like you posting word for word from
Other chats or Rolecard.

[professotic]

I had a dream Mastina flipped red (via graveyard) but bunny wasn’t the execution day 2, a town was.

I don’t want to see that. Vote Bunny after a red flip.

[professotic]

Wait, furtive, can you get back on Scarfman?
I was going to vote them to make a mini wagon. I have, like, a mini gut townread on DDS.

VOTE: Scarfmanship

Also: Ydrasse you legend

-Aisa

That's super weird

Yeah cause bunny is desperately trying to save their teammate Mastina and MathBlade needs to realize this fact.

[professotic]

Yeah Scarf is town and I already established that Ydrass slot is town.

[professotic]

If I’m miss clearing someone it’s probably MMR but I think I got most of this correct here.

[professotic]

So
Mastina/Bunny/PPF

And

Dingle/Radja/FA

Makes sense

[professotic]

VC 1.0.6




Radja (5) T-Bone, Past Present Future, furtiveglance, MMR, Mathblade [E-4]

professotic (4) Mastina, Yume, Enchant, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

MMR (2) Frozen Angel, Maid Cafe

furtiveglance (1) Bunnyonce
T-Bone (1) Radical Rat
Mastina (1) professotic


Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,

With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)

Team 2 makes sense for votecount as well.

[professotic]

Dingle on me, CW to their teammate.

FA on the next wagon that Maid Cafe made.

[professotic]

Bunny does this sum up your readslist?
Mastina - PPF (Lock Towns)

[professotic]

Wolves hard defending each other.

[professotic]

The one CW I would not oppose to is a Bunny CW.
I think they are aligned with Mastina and this last post from them feels like something where I feel is more likely to come from a wolf then town.
“Oh you know pings”

Cause man trust me when I’m a wolf I’ll do stuff like “I’m conflicted”
“If I had to guess probably them” or make like random solves or theories.

That post gives me a wolf making fake reads feel.

[professotic]

You know what ima start the CW.

VOTE: Bunnyonce

I’m not allowing there to be a town CW wolves can jump on.
Gonna make sure they are forced to lose a teammates.

[professotic]

TicTac might not agree with this vote here cause I don’t think they talked about Bunny much in hydra chat if at all, but I’m confident myself in this.