LOST (Game Over)

[JohnnyFarrar]

How did you cross out

BBT

from your PoE,

Johnny

?

I skimmed their ISO and liked some vibes. Their push on mislim was neat, and then they backed off organically when they and Rad imagined some oog reason for Klick replacing out

I just don't see an agenda there

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yoink

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ftr I think Mala and BB are prolly both town. We knew dead folks could do some business from the jump, so both their claims come off as too ballsy for scum

Feels like it would make more sense for one to be town and one to be scum. Fake claiming is not a viable strategy, yes, but that does not preclude true claiming as either alignment.
~Cytosine (last post was also Cytosine)

Yeah I'm not saying they're confirmed or anything, but I probably wouldn't vote them today

[JohnnyFarrar]

Actually tbh, coroner seems like a role that should go to town.

I mean should, yeah, but doesn't have to. The fact that it's public makes it negative utility for scum. Good for town points, tho, which could explain their frustration at my not giving a toot

[JohnnyFarrar]

RCE claims 2 shot BP but it's not confirmable that he actually got hit. Either RCE BP got hit or doc saved someone. Some speculation about why RCE would have been the target happened.

I completely and entirely missed this lol

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm also home for the day flea if you just wanna like chat it out til you feel a lil more confident about the gamestate

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Off the Hook

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeah Mala should claim the rest.

We should test them against each other.

VOTE: CSF running out of people I'm confident voting

[JohnnyFarrar]

Could be, but that's the story with quite a few people. I think oth and csf have the scummiest vibes.

I'm also fully into this T- Bone vs Drap unrequited connection here, might vote there if one of them doesn't resolve soon

[JohnnyFarrar]

BBT are you even tryna vote anyone?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I am complicit in this tbone questioning

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why aren't we testing Mala and Hook against each other? Do we just not care about those claims?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Right I thought the crux of this argument was its a bogus claim. If they're just bad at coroner it's whatever. If they were true claiming I don't see that early ass claim coming from scum at all

[JohnnyFarrar]

Rad you are so genuine if you're scum here I'll never trust you again.

[JohnnyFarrar]

2 JohnnyFarrar (Cat Scratch Fever, Off the Hook)

Lol didn't even realize my top 2 scumreads were voting me. I'm open to reevaluation

[JohnnyFarrar]

Bopp

[JohnnyFarrar]

So is there a deadline soon? I feel like today is stalling a bit. Questions at the top of my mind:

1. Are we leasing Hook and Mala to someone for role confirmation?

2. Furthermore, how long do we continue refusing to vote those who have claimed a role?

3. How is flea doing?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Scum are too cowardly to night kill me

[JohnnyFarrar]

If BBT is scum it makes sense to focus on one of the slots likely to be eliminated and either solely push there or intensely focus there.

I'm not exactly beating the bbt scum drum here but this isn't how I see bbt scum behaving. They don't strike me as someone who plays it safe

[JohnnyFarrar]

You can hard disagree all you like. Your meta reads this game have been garbage and you tried to use meta to read me and it was equally as bad.

Just because we thought the same thing it doesn't make us the same alignment. Especially when me thinking was way out there simply based on the fact I wanted Bella to be town more than anything actually content based.

I've scum read your slot for the majority of the game.

These points don't line up. In the first part, you're talking as if they're town who is playing badly (their reads so far this game are bad, therefore their read on you is equally bad). But in the second part, you are saying that you read them as scum. The almost condescending tone you're using here doesn't make sense if you're talking to someone that you actually scumread, unless you were talking about how they were playing badly

as scum

. Nowhere in this conversation does it actually feel like you think you are talking to scum or that you want them to be eliminated.

This is compelling

[JohnnyFarrar]

it's got you at loggerheads

you're all mouth and no trousers.

This game cool as hell

[JohnnyFarrar]

What's up drap

[JohnnyFarrar]

Consider me rebuffed

[JohnnyFarrar]

I keep going back and forth on whether or not to spill the tea on our neighborhood. Tbone thinks I'm partners with Drapion and I'm a little suspicious of him for a similar reason. If Drapion flips scum before I die somehow I have no doubt Tbone and I will be gunning for each other.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Drapion is such a fuckin enigma man. I thought they were using me as nk bait and I didn't wanna out TBone, but i'm super not Doc and super confused about why they thought so. On top of that, now that they know I'm not Doc, they're still insisting I'm town which is honestly disturbing because I don't get townread often, not even when at my towniest.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Mala

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hey y'all, TBone didn't have any prophetic reads in the night. I'm in hospital with my boy rn so I'll be skimming mostly. @ me if you need something specific

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hey Johnny, did T-Bone flavor claim in your hood?

Yeah. Should I say?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeah I guess there's no reason to hide it anymore. Bonesy was Charlie, and his role was doctor-ish, but it had some modifiers. He was a little cryptic about it and faked part of the claim at one point in order to catch me if I was scum, but evidently I passed his test and he told me (I think) the truth.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So wait why does jack have to be town?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm not even convinced Jack is all that good in the show

[JohnnyFarrar]

Got em

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why not?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I fully don't understand this reaction

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm not even voting you, just trying to understand where this confidence comes from in trusting that any claim is coming from town

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm in a hospital room and it's 5am. Who we voting?

[JohnnyFarrar]

OtH should for sure use their ability tonight regardless of who we kill off today.

Also people voting me, expect your "I'm no fun at parties" certificate in the mail soon

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wdym by doctorish and what were the modifiers? I don't think it hurts to reveal this atp

Will give you a blow by blow so you can see my... confusion

[JohnnyFarrar]

My hood with Tbone has 5 pages:

Page 1 Jul 6 - Jul 8: introductions, me badly explaining lost, both of us not being good at neighborhoods. Tbone mentions thinking the post restriction is fake, I get worried about too many neighborhoods.

Page 2: Jul 8 - Jul 13: Mostly jokes, talking about if we should claim our neighborhood and discussing how we crumb

Page 3 Jul 13 - Jul 15: Gladiate talk followed by TBone telling me he was gonna fake claim hider to me, but ultimately deciding against it and telling me he had a one shot protect that he was using on Luke. This was N1. Other stuff on this page include counting cg posts and me complaining about froggers attitude

Page 4 Jul 17 - Aug 02: Tbone says "If I die Luke is confirmed town. There's no way I'd be targeted, he'd have to be targeted in order for that to happen." which is like some doctor hider hybrid thing. I'm sure there's a word for it. Then he hays he's defending Drap n2. So prolly not 1 shot? But then he says "why does everyone have a xshot but Drap" so maybe he was gated?

Page 5 Aug 2 - Aug 12: complaining about Nancy, openly suspecting one another, and no clarification on his role.

[JohnnyFarrar]

How dare you pooky

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also we brought the boy home last night so you don't have to feel any real guilt for voting me

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hell if Luke were still alive RIGHT NOW I'd be giving them the squinty eyes

[JohnnyFarrar]

Man

[JohnnyFarrar]

Who even is furtive

[JohnnyFarrar]

Fwiw I think Rad (if town) and I are basically Elo poison if we make it that far.

If I had my way today I'd prolly vote out CSF or C&G. I'm willing to compromise on basically any non-confirmed slot.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ilu rad

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Malcolm

What are the chances scum has just afk'd out of the game

[JohnnyFarrar]

He would if the others are townbinned and don't wanna risk a drap track

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is that a serious question

[JohnnyFarrar]

Lol no I'm not townbinned. I've been a decent sized wagon... every day? It'll go through eventually

[JohnnyFarrar]

I would like you to claim your protect target before Drap claims their track, I trust them more than you

[JohnnyFarrar]

I blame that on my unending charisma (and also the people who know me are able to look past my apparently scum sided style of play)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Oh shit forgot that

[JohnnyFarrar]

Tonight's the last chance for them, then

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny who should I track tonight?
Give me 3 Names.

C & G, Mislim. If Malcolm flips town maybe CSF, if not maybe one of the masons?

Tonally taking BB off my scum list. (Drapion, too, fwiw)

[JohnnyFarrar]

Okay so Malcolm was jailed and because people wouldn’t kill Malcolm for some reason he is most likely scum? Is that the argument?

VOTE: malcolm

VOTE: Malcolm

Let's see if CSF is real JK. #testtheclaim

VOTE: Malcolm
finally
been sitting on this wagon for an entire month

My opinion on these two hinge pretty hard on mal's flip here

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeet is Taly.

Oh, then no.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Mislim

This is the easy answer

[JohnnyFarrar]

So removing Roden and butter first because masons

Then drap because tracker

Then Pooky because cop

Then CSF because jk

Then C&G because soft clear for last night at least

Then BB for townread

butterflies (Nancy Drew 39 and Flea The Magician)
Yeet
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
furtiveglance
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar

Am I missing any clears? What was RCE claimed?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I could vote furtive

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean I'm kind of just assuming we've got it at this point. I've had the tin foil on for Drap for a while but I think that just resolves itself over the next two night kills

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm as sus of both of them as I am mislim, which ain't much. If we get through those first two and don't hit another scum I could see myself looking there

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny have you already full claimed?

I'm something big and scary and scum should kill me instead of you or Drap

[JohnnyFarrar]

Talk to me drappy

[JohnnyFarrar]

Chewing some popcorn

[JohnnyFarrar]

Autopilot post. I feel like today is settled. What do we need from people? C&G seems convinced their flipping scum here and I commend their attempt at salvaging

[JohnnyFarrar]

It's Nora!

[JohnnyFarrar]

MONNNNNNNNNNN I SAW YOU ON THE LIST AND I WAS LIKE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YESSSSSSSSSS
kookie monster been inactive so long D:

When I popped in a couple months ago yours was the first name I looked for :')

[JohnnyFarrar]

I feel bad for voting you because I think you're a pretty good player with a fun style, but no way I trust you here anymore, drap.

Other than that, my vote would probably go on pooky. I think Malcolm only makes the kill when csf jailed them because the remaining scum can't risk a guilty at this stage, and I think pooky fits that bill. Otherwise I'm just entirely wrong on one of my townreads

[JohnnyFarrar]

I feel bad for voting you because I think you're a pretty good player with a fun style, but no way I trust you here anymore, drap.

Other than that, my vote would probably go on pooky. I think Malcolm only makes the kill when csf jailed them because the remaining scum can't risk a guilty at this stage, and I think pooky fits that bill. Otherwise I'm just entirely wrong on one of my townreads

I think Butterflies also fits that bill and also showed TMI.

I mean yeah if you flip town here I'm obviously wrong somewhere. Could be butterfiles

[JohnnyFarrar]

I can't believe I'm alive for a d11 of anything holy shit.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Turtles breathe out their butts

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think we still got two mislunch before elo
lets say that drap is scum then
Butterflies doesn't sound like their partner based on today
BestBird doesn't sound like it based on previous interactions
It can't be me or the masons
It also can't be pooky cause it's fked up if scum have tracker and cop and none for town.

so left with oth/johnny/taly
I think many people would agree that this contains at least 1 wolf even in a world where drap is town

this point still stands

This solve doesn't make much sense since drap was town, tho?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nvm didn't read the whole thing

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz I think scum Nancy (if she is scum) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny to be far more interested in actually trying to case me

Lol have you ever seen me case anybody?

I think if I die and then mislim dies in the night this game just goes your way because no one is going to argue with you. If you're town that's great! But I'm honestly not as sure as you seem to think I should be.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ugh I hope it's just as easy as Off the Hook being the scum here

[JohnnyFarrar]

I want the answer to be OtH and Best Bird. If that's not right I feel like we lost here

[JohnnyFarrar]

I want the answer to be OtH and Best Bird. If that's not right I feel like we lost here

I mean, you could try voting/casing one of them.

Also where were you when I wanted to vote Bird for several weeks? Why exactly do you think these two are scum now?

So like, I've basically townread everyone remaining, with the exception of Hook.

You are my hardest townread, and the it goes Mislim, Nora, BB, Butterflies and hook being last, and thereby most likely to be scum.

I probably don't have good enough reasons for any of those reads, other than vibes and basic logic/ poe. I haven't made a "case" on this site in half a decade and I don't intend on doing it now.

On top of that I think it would be stupid to keep me around for Elo anyway. Rip off the bandaid and kill me now, I don’t have a power. I'd recommend voting Hook or Butterflies tomorrow.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It points to you because I think you're capable of doing it. You can say my logic is weak or whatever but I just don't see Noraa killing pooky over Roden. And if I'm not the scum, nor is Roden or Mislim, that leaves you, BB and Hook.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean i could spitball here but I'm not really interested. Like i said I've townread basically everyone here at some point. I consider very few people clear on d11, much less in a bastard game. I'm navigating the only way I know how, judging how people feel. And you're in my bottom half.

Unless you're arguing I should think someone is MORE scummy than you (other than Hook cuz I agree) I don't see what you want from me here? I don't make cases, I'm not some town leader. The remaining scum have played well and I think the right play is to kill me here. My dying hero solve is Hook and BB.

VOTE: Hook if this is the wrong vote town loses tomorrow anyways.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Keep that same energy toward Hook and BB tomorrow and town's the winner! If you're town.

[JohnnyFarrar]

hell you could probably convince me that the game is so bastard a mason is scum right now.

I absolutely feel this but I'm just so willing to lose to that at this point.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why is it weird Noraa? I don’t know what Johnny’s going to flip. Are you convinced he’s scum here because I’m not and if he’s town, then we get two town and two scum tomorrow and Idk if scum’s wincon is parity or killing all the townies but in any case, we absolutely can’t afford to rush this vote - which is what you claimed to have wanted.

So. I was thinking about this post and realized you just miscounted the players? Or do you know something I don't?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Lol here's my best town leader:


AHEM

Does anyone think Hook is town? Furthermore, does anyone have any thoughts on whether or not BB and Hook are partners? Because I think that's our answer.

[JohnnyFarrar]

It's penguin

[JohnnyFarrar]

Reading this with a lil conf bias at this point, but gosh this is prolly tough for you two if i'm right. I hope y'all are still having fun.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Let me put this another way:
What DO you find fun about this game? For me, I enjoy the social connections I get to make, and I also sometimes enjoy getting to embrace my inner thespian and play a role (not in the power role sense)

~GE

I think If Nancy got as worked up as their posts

appeared to

they would have popped a few blood vessels by now. Nancy's been playing this game a while and I trust them to regulate their own emotional health. I'd say don't assume she's not having a good time, i know things can get dramatic (especially this game for some reason) but remember you can't read emotion over text. If the issue here is Nancys causing YOU to have a bad time maybe avoid paying with them for a while.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also sorry if I come off as condescending, I spend most of my time with my four kids and that makes it hard to step out of dad mode sometimes

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think I've fully turned around on Bird by this point

I don't think best bird is more likely town for being all "ok kill me, get me out of here"

+1

I kept reading and rereading Roden's post because this also didn't make sense to me

[JohnnyFarrar]

Scum play suboptimally sometimes. I'm not sure why Hook missing their shot and then letting out some sort-of-useful-information-at-the-time on a dead malcolm counts much in their favor here. I'd still bet on them being scum here when compared to Noraa, Mislim or Butterflies.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I recognize that I'm the one people most think is scum outside of BB and Hook, but just saying from my perspective this still seems very cut and dry

[JohnnyFarrar]

Also Gamma dropping that info the way they did reads like they've been sitting on that little fact for a while, but didn't wanna be the one to say it

[JohnnyFarrar]

pretty sure luke agrees but he's mostly focused on noraa in the pt

yeah, he agrees.

This was a really quick ask and answer

[JohnnyFarrar]

Sum up what you saw Luke say about butterflies and how long ago he said it

[JohnnyFarrar]

When I go down I think y'all should vote out pengy next

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm betting cryptic

[JohnnyFarrar]

Being

[JohnnyFarrar]

This Noraa wagon is bananas. If that gladiate went like that day one and that slot is SCUM? That entire team deserves the win for how cool they played it. No way. Noraa flips town and then y'all finally ML me tomorrow gg no re.

No thank you.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Fuckin bonkers. Kill me first, then at least you'll know you're wrong and have a clear Noraa

[JohnnyFarrar]

Like every time I had second thoughts on Taly or questioned yeet I just thought back to "oh yeah the gladiate happened"

[JohnnyFarrar]

Sell me on this then Mislim. Who's Noraa's partner?

[JohnnyFarrar]

If you kill and flip a townread of mine and then ML me tomorrow I'm gonna be obnoxious about it. Kill me now or pick between BB/Hook. If i'm wrong you can even blame me post game.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't think there's any pairing that works here without BB in it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: Best Bird

Just thinking about it.

I'm not scum.

Noraa, Butterflies and Mislim prolly ain't scum but if they are, BB is the partner.

Butterflies doesn't make sense. Scum could push me or Hook here, going back on their Noraa read just unnecessarily complicates things.

Mislim is a stretch because I have a pretty hard townread there.

Hook (meaning gamma) is looking transparently out of their depth and a little lost right now so that's a coin toss for me.

Being challenged on the gladiate basically clearing Noraa has shook my perception of the whole game a little (and made me feel a little defeated) but I'm still willing to bet the game on Nora's town. Or I'm at least willing to bet the day.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Super down

[JohnnyFarrar]

Whenever I see multiple k's together I get itchy

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ok vote me then y'all. Let's go. This spread spells disaster for all of us

[JohnnyFarrar]

It's not gamethrowing if i'm just gonna be a liability in Elo. I don't have the solve here. y'all are more confident that I'll flip scum than BB, my biggest SR so if I can't convince you, then kill me now so that my townflip will wash the sand out of your eyes. We don't lose with my ML right now but we will tomorrow.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Someones stalling at this point.

We are spread too thin for a no lim right now.

We have 22 hours.

I will be here and I'll hammer literally anyone

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ceph I swear if this flips scum I'll just sheep you forever

[JohnnyFarrar]

I feel bad for ceph

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean I'm tempted. That BB/Butterfly/OTH Elo looks more and more terrible if you slot me in to any of those spots

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ftr I'm prolly still on BB but if it's butterflies good job I guess

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean I'm like risk managing at this point. I've been wrong a lot this game. I was confident Noraa wasn't scum (wrong) and I flipped from a Malcolm scumread to a Malcolm townread before we flipped him. I'd vote me.

Of the four remaining players the only one that would really surprise me as the last scum is Mislim Bait. Butterflies ain't it so ideally I'd like to vote off BB and OTH in whatever order, but that might change depending on night kill

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gotta give it to you. You’re actually trying now.

Enough people have died off that I'm able to sort my thoughts now

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'll intent to hammer also. Maybe it'll spook me

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'll give the thread 25 hours to get out any thoughts and then self hammer for Ceph.

Good luck on day 13 or whatever

[JohnnyFarrar]

I meant to type 24 but now I like 25

[JohnnyFarrar]

I had a good time d1 lol

[JohnnyFarrar]

wotc

Wizards of the coast? Wall of the... Christmas? Went on the choir?

[JohnnyFarrar]

@Johnny. I want to thank you for your kindness towards me. I know I repaid you by miseliming you. :/

Don't even mention it I've never made it to a d12 in my life

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeah honestly for all the shit Drap got this town prolly would have lost without them. And also I woulda died a lot sooner

[JohnnyFarrar]

Do I know you drap?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I could see that

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is dead people talking not also bastard?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Those last two pages in the scum chart were a joy to read