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This being my first MS game, I can say that this Day 1 is the most chaotic I've ever seen. The wagon on xtoxm is suspicious, but xtoxm is suspicious in the first place. What was the scum/town ratio in this one again?
With all that on the table, I'm going to go with
Vote: Puta puta
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andquick! let's insta-wagon!
I'm guessing it's a level 2 WIFOM-attention whore move, and he's attempting to hide in plain sight.must...join...wagon... Unvote Vote:XtoxmAware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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It's about a 7 on a 10 scale of seriousness.LlamaFluff wrote:Non post restricted people should neither be acting like they have post restrictions or acting like characters. It will only manage to end badly.
@Zilla - How serious was that vote of yours?
I think this side-show is distracting and counterpurposeful. If KMD was scum, I don't think he'd want to attract attention by faking a post restriction, and I don't think that post restriction would apply to scum (Being a newsanchor in Quahog, he'd likely be against the FCC).
At worst, a Tom Tucker could be self-aligned. I think this entire branch of investigation is a red-herring.
I'm sticking with Puta, because not-posting does not make you less deserving. XDAware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I suppose it's entirely possible for Tom to be a double-agent FCC, if the flavor goes the way of usual cast members being anti-town... I figured scum would be Generic FCC Agent #1 and the like, but it could be that they're characters who would side with FCC stipulations and want to clean up Quahog.
Of course, Tom's in a strange position here, being on TV himself. He could be pro-FCC as a sycophantic move to try to gain more power, or he could be anti-FCC on principle of wanting to be able to say whatever he wants on the news and not have the FCC keeping him down. He might be for a cleaner city, but I think it's more likely he's against it, because he wouldn't have as much to report on in a cleaned up Quahog.
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My point is made clear in the very next sentence.Zilla wrote:I suppose it's entirely possible for Tom to be a double-agent FCC,if the flavor goes the way of usual cast members being anti-town... I figured scum would be Generic FCC Agent #1 and the like, but it could be that they're characters who would side with FCC stipulations and want to clean up Quahog.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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the rest of my post is simply flavor analysis, and checking the possibility of Tom being scum as far as the flavor works. It's implied he has a post restriction, and the post restriction implies he's Tom, and Tom may or may not be scum.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I honestly still suspect Puta Puta and I agree with you about character and flavor being distracting, I guess I missed the part where that pertained to me... I was trying to get it all out of the way, but I ended up reading too much into it myself.
Either way, I feel relatively safe sticking up for KMD at this point, I don't see any reason to implicate him other than having a post restriction so far, but if he makes a slip, I'll be all over him.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I don't like your softcore bullying, Llama. I obviously don't have much to go on for Puta, but I still spelled out why he registered on my radar, and he's done nothing to allay my suspicions.
@ Kloud, indeed, I got sucked into it as well, but I was trying to move on past the post-restriction arguement and instead argue what his soft-claim meant. If it's true that character has nothing at all to do with alignment, then we have no information, and can essentially sum up that we know nothing about KMD's alignment. If character does have something to do with it, then my arguments can be applied.
I'll chalk you up to being a pushy townie for now, Llama, but IGMEOY.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Weak sauce people.
How in the hell were they "bad"? The flavor analysis was at least a step above what we were doing before, which was post-restriction analysis. There's a total of ONE post between my posts in question.Mana_Ku wrote: Zilla, your posts in which you discussed flavour were bad. You shouldn't have done that. Many players said it is bad, with xtoxm perhaps the only exception. But still you did it. Bear the consequencesUnvote Vote Zilla
Llama, I could ask you what reason you had for voting Hybris earlier, before she "came to my rescue" by doing pretty much exactly what I would have done. I'll let you know now that if I die and come up town, I'll be haunting you from the grave. Remember this town, please.
@ Porochaz: I see the implications there, but 1) she answered by quoting me directly, 2) I would have done the same thing, and 3) the question was in no way implicating me as scum, why would I need "defending"?
What makes Puta Puta so innocent that my voting of him is scummy?
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You know, the funniest thing of this is that scum did the EXACT same thing to me in another game offsite. First, in regards to "character-alignment pairing", the only thing I said on this was that I didn't believe Tom Tucker to be FCC aligned. I said he may be self-aligned at worst, I didn't say he WAS self-aligned. The purpose of this statement was that, although he wouldn't be FCC, he could still be scum by being self-aligned, meaning to keep our options open.LlamaFluff wrote:
Just establishing the pecking orderZilla wrote:I'll chalk you up to being a pushy townie for now, Llama, but IGMEOY.
In all seriousness though, I dont think you really have much of a case on PP, and the attempt to justify the existance of one is coming off as scummy to me. More so when you mix in all the flavor and character-alignment pairing you have done.
That's it.
And then my next post, I recounted the position that "Tom is not FCC" on the grounds that character doesn't indicate alignment, as I've grown more used to from the last few games I'd played offsite.
Your entire construction against me, ignoring the content of my posts and demonizing me, are what's REALLY bugging me about you. I don't mind a solid argument against me, but so far, your case against me has consisted of:
I talked about flavor.
I'm voting Puta on a "weak" argument.
I'll admit there's not much Puta's giving us, but I can't say I have a stronger position on him now because he hasn't given us anything to go on since random stage. I have a knack for picking up scum through the random stage though, and your sideways OMGUS on me and defense of Puta make me feel justified. If Puta comes up scum, I know where to turn next.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Sorry, you'd have to go offsite to do that, and you'll see that I usually am the one to lead town-investigations, and that I have a history of finding my own targets.The Internet wrote:I'm uneasy about Zilla's agressiveness. I can understand being agressive, but doing it this early is unusual. I'll try and check his meta to see if he is always this agressive.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I didn't see the value of the post-restriction line of questioning we were miring ourselves in, THAT seemed pointless.forbiddanlight wrote: Moresh like a shtep below...flavor analyshee...analyshy...analy...ah, shcrew it...ish a completely ushelesh way to looksh like you are conshributing wishout acshually doing sho. Moresh importantly...it dishtractsh from shcumhunting!
Again, this is my first MS game, but I'm finding this one to consist of far more followers than the ones I usually play. Scum's going to have an easy time leading this town around if we don't actually look at everyone.
Right now, I'm very interested in Puta Puta's alignment because of the extra information we gather from his lynch. I really don't like how Llama seems to consider him innocent when we have nothing to base it off of. I feel lynching Puta will tell us something about Llama, and potentially some of the others that shallowly parrot him (Mana_Ku's empty skew on my post, for one).Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I don't know if I understand you, but if you're saying what I think you're saying, then I don't really care if it "helps me," I care if it helps town. If you DO lynch me, I want this angle examined.forbiddanlight wrote:
Atesh alreadish? Jeesh...I don'tsh thinksh that helpsh you...Llama, I could ask you what reason you had for voting Hybris earlier, before she "came to my rescue" by doing pretty much exactly what I would have done. I'll let you know now that if I die and come up town, I'll be haunting you from the grave. Remember this town, pleaseAware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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How the heck is that rolefishing? I'm not looking for roles at all. I'm saying if we lynch you, we get info on Llama.
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I'm not saying town will be sorry. I'm saying that if I die, I want town to investigate Llama.forbiddanlight wrote:Appealsh to emoshun ish whatsh I meant by AtEsh. And doesh it not helpsh town for a townie to shtay alive by not sheeming shcummy? It feelsh a lot likesh you are trying to shay thatsh "Town will be shorry", but the problemsh with thish is you aren'tsh really activelysh shcumhunting.
See above comment, PLEASE stop misreading/misinterpreting/misunderstanding/skewing my posts!Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Answered in my next post. Quit harpin' on me for it!LlamaFluff wrote:
Discounting players as scum for claiming a role is something that should never be done. If a mod makes a theme game well enough, mass character claim should not give an edge to the town, and I feel should be benificial to the scum. I dont care what character a player claims, what I care about is what their role is more then anything else.Zilla wrote:First, in regards to "character-alignment pairing", the only thing I said on this was that I didn't believe Tom Tucker to be FCC aligned. I said he may be self-aligned at worst, I didn't say he WAS self-aligned. The purpose of this statement was that, although he wouldn't be FCC, he could still be scum by being self-aligned, meaning to keep our options open.
My fault for not being clear, I meant to say that I had come into the game thinking characters and alignments were related because in the games I usually play, this is so. I'm saying "character doesn't indicate alignment, contrary to what I've grown used to from the last few games I've played offsite."
How many games did you play between these two statements then?And then my next post, I recounted the position that "Tom is not FCC" on the grounds that character doesn't indicate alignment, as I've grown more used to from the last few games I'd played offsite.
These were addressed to my voters, who seem to vote me by borrowing your flawed logic.
You also should realize thatI talked about flavor.
I'm voting Puta on a "weak" argument.I am not voting you. I do consider each of these things scummy, but you are calling me scum for running you up on weak logic when I am not voting you right now.
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This seems to be saying you are basing your vote partially on lurking. Looking at the player list I cant remember anything that TM, CC, TI, GS, MK or RF has said this game. If you are looking for people not participating, I dont think someone like PP is the best place to look. The people who are purposefully lurking will eventually be replaced or stand risk of getting killed either way soon enough too.I'll admit there's not much Puta's giving us, but I can't say I have a stronger position on him now because he hasn't given us anything to go on since random stage. I have a knack for picking up scum through the random stage though, and your sideways OMGUS on me and defense of Puta make me feel justified. If Puta comes up scum, I know where to turn next.
Mistaken premise here, I'm not voting based on lurking at all, I'm voting based on the scant few posts he has made. His lurking does nothing either way aside from a slight incrimination because he has posted without offering anything. Further evidence of you softly defending him by skewing my posts has been noted.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Oy, where to start?
First off, I've set the record straight, and I annul ANY assertion that I ever made that Tom must be non-FCC. STRIKE IT FROM THE RECORD. Is that so hard to do?
Nest, KMD's actualy playing more town than most of town, I feel. Maybe you people play an entirely new league and my intuition on players is totally off, but if there's anyone I feel is town at this point, it's KMD. If he's scum, he's doing a better job of blending than most.
On the question answering, it saved nobody of anything. What convoluted logic is that that I could have answered "Why do you suspect Puta?" in a way that would incriminate either of us?
Honestly, I'm seeing better candidates finally, but I hate to take off my vote on someone who I suspected who subsequently went into hiding. I hate that scum can stay silent and their transgressions are forgotten.
Unvote: Puta Putafor horrible logic.
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The AtE thing, I see where you're coming from now, the "you" I was haunting in that was Llama, not town. XD Yeah, misplaced antecedents cause mass confusion yet agian.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I retracted it. You can't keep holding me for saying something I'm not pushing. I was misinformed, and pushing forward that I'm scum because I once said Tom can't be FCC is stupid. Furthermore, it's not even that scummy to begin with, I'm just trying to draw conclusions. Can't someone draw the wrong conclusion about something? I mean, seriously. I ADMIT I WAS WRONG. If you can point out how in the hell my actions are scummy in that regard, go ahead.
A:"It's raining."
B:"No, it's just overcast."
A:"Oh, you're right. Sorry."
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You know, I'm just done.unvote
Vote: Zilla
You guys play way too deep that you're missing a lot of the surface stuff. This is likely my last post here, so I want to say when I die, don't let that clear anyone, but I seriously want Llama, Puta, and Mana Ku looked at.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I honestly think we'll learn a ton more by lynching me than leaving me alive at this point, and I feel it's the best way to get back at the people who somehow think that because I thought I had a logical way to eliminate one target that was flawed, AND I CORRECTED MYSELF, that I must be scum for EVER EVEN THINKING OF IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DEFEND MYSELF AGAINST THINGS WHEN YOU DON'T LISTEN TO MY DEFENSE!
The thick-headedness of that entire logic is what's driving me to the suicide vote. I can't argue with these people because "I can't make that post go away." WHAT IS SO INCRIMINATING ABOUT TRYING TO GET MORE INFORMATION?
I never made extention that KMD had to be Tom Tucker, and all his complaining about his post restriction makes me doubt that it's a true post restriction, really. I'm feeling it's self-imposed, and he's sticking with it.
Here's ManaKu's horrible logic:
Because the games I'm used to, flavor is truly linked to alignment. I just finished Bioshock, where it was Town vs Fontaine vs Ryan vs Jack. Character ID was essentially analogous with alignment. Most of the games I've played have been that way. I was alerted that this isn't the case here, so I retracted that logic. WHAT IS SCUMMY ABOUT THAT? Good GOD.Mana_Ku wrote:Zilla, want to see an example why i think it's bad what you did?
You're implying that KMD is Tom and you start discussing if Tom's pro-town, anti-town or 3rd party.Zilla wrote:the rest of my post is simply flavor analysis, and checking the possibility of Tom being scum as far as the flavor works. It's implied he has a post restriction, and the post restriction implies he's Tom, and Tom may or may not be scum.
First of all, we can't know if KMD is Tom.
Second, why is it useful for town to know if KMD is Tom?
Third, why would you base candidate of lynch upon flavour.
And fourth, the discussion is distracting.
1) I never said we can KNOW that KMD is Tom Tucker. I'm saying that's what he wants us to think, I never say that it's true or false. I'm speculating on the hypothetical scenario. IS THAT NOT ALLOWED?
2) Under the assumptions I had, if KMD was Tom, Tom would likely not be FCC.
3) See #2.
4) distracting from what, analyzing whether he had a post restriction just be asking him? There's no way to know for sure if he has one or not, I found that line of questoining pointless, so I took it in a direction that we can actually speculate on.
As for Hybris parroting me, I don't have an answer to that. I don't find it scummy in itself, because at least he isn't pushing a vote on someone through skewed logic like scum actually tends to do. It's possible he's scum defending what he really sees as a losing case so when I die, he can get the benefit of aiding a townie.
I do consider myself a worthy lynch at this point though, hopefully condemning my wagoners with my innocence. I only worry that scum isn't actually on my case, so they want me gone to send town into a spiral of self-lynching. I'm still wary of lurkers, STILL wary of Puta who hasn't put his vote on anyone and with the few posts he has made, has accrued my suspicion.
So, I'm going back there.
Unvote: Zilla
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I was saying asking him if he had a post restriction, and focusing on that angle was a WIFOM and pointless.Zilla wrote:a) Start post 120 by saying that the discussion at the time concerning KMD being Tom is counterproductive and distracting, then follow this sentence with a WIFOM statement that only begs for further speculation to be generated (in my opinion at least).
b) You go on to say, despite your earlier statement of this whole discussion being a distraction, that "KMD could be self-aligned, at worst" and that this "entire branch of investigation is a red herring." There is a stark contradiction in the first paragraph and second paragraph, as you are first advocating that we move past the discussion of KMD's character and get to scumhunting, then add to the conversation by adding your own speculation to the mix. [/b]
I wanted to offer closing thoughts on it, hopefully taking the logic as far as it would go so we could drop it. I'm aware how it looks.
This makes me feel as if you were trying to look pro-town by advocating scumhunting, but then continued to fuel the discussion as a means to keep everyone distracted. This may or may not be your actual intentions (I know you will say the latter), but even so, I did not and do not like this post at all.
Duly noted. I know it was a flawed post all in all, but take into account what I thought were the conditions at the time. Understand that I thought character and alignment were linked.
c) In post 122 continue speculation. Others have already addressed this post extensively, but I will throw in my two cents as well. My dislike of this post coincides with my dislike of post 120, in that it contradicts your initial premiss that the conversation was unhelpful. If it is unhelpful, then openly stating theories void of any reason or evidence while being based on pure speculation of the flavor only deters your cause even further. I have no problem with someone looking at all possibilities, as I tend to do that myself, but if you are going to do so, have some kind of evidence/solid reasoning to back it up as opposed to just coming up with things based off of a PR and flavor.
I thought flavor WAS a valid reason.
lol wut? I'm not condemning a person based on their PR at all, Id)
This to me seems like someone trying to plant seeds of doubt into the group, alluding to the notion that KMD is trying to draw attention to himself so that scum can go undetected. I do not like this statement at all, for to me it looks like the beginnings of someone trying to condemn another player based off the fact that he has a PR.Zilla wrote:If he's town though, this is stealing the stage and letting scum hide in the shadows...wasdoing the opposite, saying his PR cleared him of being FCC. Again, I no longer believe that. In fact, this whole block quote is weird in itself. You're saying he's intentionally drawing attention to himself to allow scum to hide? Why would he do that if he was town? Why would he do that if he was scum?
I'm referring to the PR, which may be self-imposed, which makes it analogous to soft-claiming Tom Tucker. Afterward, I'm talking about how if character and alignment mean anything, Tom Tucker probably isn't FCC, which doesn't instantly clear him, because he could still be self-aligned. IN NO WAY AM I ARGUING THAT HE
What soft-claim are you referencing? Him having a PR? You were not arguing anything, you were making WIFOM arguments then toss around the idea that he could be self-aligned without any reasoning that would support the claim.Zilla wrote:@ Kloud, indeed, I got sucked into it as well, but I was trying to move on past the post-restriction arguement andinstead argue what his soft-claim meant.If it's true that character has nothing at all to do with alignment, then we have no information, and can essentially sum up that we know nothing about KMD's alignment.If character does have something to do with it, then my arguments can be applied.ISSELF ALIGNED. I HAVENEVERSAID HEEVERISSELF ALIGNED. I just wanted to say that, even if he wasn't FCC, that doesn't make him pro-town. THAT'S ALL.
I wanted to get what we could out of the argument and move on, and at the time, I thought my analysis was at least better than what we were doing. It turns out it wasn't.Exactly! The game, at the time, was only on page 6, meaning there was (and still is) very little information about any player. We do not know anything about KMD's alignment, and stating theories based off of flavor alone will not help to acquire said information about any player's alignment. That is why we needed to get out of the speculation conversations surrounding KMD's PR, and is also why I find you suspicious for continuing to add to this conversation after having stated the need to get the game back on track.
As said already, just because you say you did not mean (or annul) everything you said earlier does not clear your slate. The statements were scummy, and that is not going to change. It is one thing to be misinformed. It is one thing to draw conclusions as well. It is another case entirely when you begin to drawn conclusions based off no information at all, as you were only encouraging further speculation that would have kept the town from scumhunting.Thank you for letting me know being wrong about something is fatal.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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UGH, formatting issues like crazy in the last post but I can't touch it now...
I'm used to being able to quick-edit my posts...
There's a part in that block quote where I ended up accidentally bolding what he said instead of quoting what he said. My responses are not-bolded after B and C.
Just to clarify, that part should look like this.
I wanted to offer closing thoughts on it, hopefully taking the logic as far as it would go so we could drop it. I'm aware how it looks.b) You go on to say, despite your earlier statement of this whole discussion being a distraction, that "KMD could be self-aligned, at worst" and that this "entire branch of investigation is a red herring." There is a stark contradiction in the first paragraph and second paragraph, as you are first advocating that we move past the discussion of KMD's character and get to scumhunting, then add to the conversation by adding your own speculation to the mix.
Duly noted. I know it was a flawed post all in all, but take into account what I thought were the conditions at the time. Understand that I thought character and alignment were linked.This makes me feel as if you were trying to look pro-town by advocating scumhunting, but then continued to fuel the discussion as a means to keep everyone distracted. This may or may not be your actual intentions (I know you will say the latter), but even so, I did not and do not like this post at all.
I thought flavor WAS a valid reason.c) In post 122 continue speculation. Others have already addressed this post extensively, but I will throw in my two cents as well. My dislike of this post coincides with my dislike of post 120, in that it contradicts your initial premiss that the conversation was unhelpful. If it is unhelpful, then openly stating theories void of any reason or evidence while being based on pure speculation of the flavor only deters your cause even further. I have no problem with someone looking at all possibilities, as I tend to do that myself, but if you are going to do so, have some kind of evidence/solid reasoning to back it up as opposed to just coming up with things based off of a PR and flavor.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I forgot how big the game was, I thought I was closer to lynch than that. Also, I'm not wanting a replacement, I wanted to finally end the matter of speculation on me so you guys could stop wasting time and actually hunt scum, because I felt that enough people had put forward enough dumb reasoning that my death and confirmation would implicate them. I'm still up for it.
On Elvis adding to the fray: Weak logic, looks like you wanted to vote me and were looking for any excuse to do so, and actually that was a side-perk to my plan. I hate to spring the trap this early but I do have renewed faith in town. Elvis, your bloodthirst has been noted.
KMD's allegations on Hybris attract me more than my Puta vote, but he's not forgotten. REMEMBER THE PUTA.
Unvote: Puta Puta
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Mana, where did you "ask everyone if it's good?" and what does that matter to this case? Do I have to say it AGAIN?
Do you see now that flavour doesn't always prove a thing?YES, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS THEWHOLETIME! THANK YOU FOR FINALLY SEEING MY POINT.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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He took all the good points, aside from the point I brought up that he could be scum parroting me to get the added townie benefit. I don't feel like reiterating the same things he's said, and really, he's just summarized the case on him that other players have made themselves.elvis_knits wrote:If I needed an excuse to vote you, I could have done it a long time ago instead of trying to get info out of you. If I'm bloodthirsty, then why are you voting hybris? You're just going to the next largest wagon, and not thinking of any of your own reasons for doing so. That way you can blame it on KMD if things go bad with hybris -- he put forth the reasoning, not you.
I'm not voting you because Hybris comes off scummier than you, but you're doing your best to take that spot. If Hybris is clean and you aren't, this could be a post meant to implicate both KMD and me when he comes up town. This strategy seems like a really longshot, I'm still thinking you're a misguided townie at this point.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Rereading the thread, I'm pretty sure Elvis is just misguided, seeing a lot of his posts are grilling for information. Mana's looking odd though.
Hybris, I'm not sure if I feel as strongly after rereading. More often than not, I see scum pursue an agenda rather than make empty posts. He hasn't really pushed on anyone.Unvote: Hybris
Back to Puta again.
Vote: Puta Puta
I figure it's at least a good idea to get him to post more, you know, since he really dropped off the radar after I first set up shop against him. The way I see it, if Puta's scum, he goes into hiding while the rest of scum tries to discredit me to keep him looking clean. There's no logical reason to vote me solely for voting Puta. Hence the arguments crafted on misinterpreting or skewing my posts.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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1) For the LAST time, and I mean it.charter wrote:Catching up.
If alignment can be determined from flavor, this is a horribly set up game. Did Kmd ever claim? Why does he have to be Tom, why not Diane?Zilla wrote:the rest of my post is simply flavor analysis, and checking the possibility of Tom being scum as far as the flavor works. It's implied he has a post restriction, and the post restriction implies he's Tom, and Tom may or may not be scum.I KNOW FLAVOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALIGNMENT NOW. STOP TRYING TO INSIST THAT I THINK IT DOESN'T. I WASWRONG. DROP IT.
2) His PR (whether self-imposed or not) is from Tom's perspective. He goes to Diane sometimes.
I'm not. I'm saying he's town by how he's acting, not his role.
YOU CANNOT DETERMINE ALIGNMENT FROM POST RESTRICTIONS. EVEN CONSIDERING IT ISZilla wrote:Either way, I feel relatively safe sticking up for KMD at this point, I don't see any reason to implicate him other than having a post restriction so far, but if he makes a slip, I'll be all over him.INCREDIBLYSCUMMY.READ MY POSTS.
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I'm not appealing to emotion, I'm saying some people are stupid, because if they keep insisting I'm using flavor, they are, and some people can't see that. If you mean the self-vote, I really wanted to end it to bolster my claims, because then, finally, I'd be confirmed and my accusers would get their comeuppance, and I figured it'd bag at least two scum in the process. I have no problem being a martyr. Aside from that, I'm using size changes to catch attention because SOME PEOPLE don't like to actually read my posts, or are ignoring parts of them.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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ZillaThe Internet wrote:I agree with some of the thing zilla is saying, but he just took a massive credibility hit with that outburst.
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No idea what you're talking about, how is questioning shaky votes a credibility hit? If you mean my post before that, it's because I'm so damn tired of answering the same argument when people don't bother to read my replies.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Nice to see your fingers still work, but does your brain?Puta Puta wrote:Oh noez, my attempt at being under the radar is unmasked!! Will I be the next lamb to the slaughter? Only time will tell.
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FoS: Populartajofor commiting to a vote on me just because he doesn't like my vote on Puta. I mean really? I could vote quite a few people here for voting people I don't think deserve it (Charter for that HORRIBLE case on Wolfram, for instance). Sideways OMGUS? I'm thinking so. If we figure out Puta's alignment and it's scum, you're going to be pretty high on the list to follow up on.
Seriously, who votes in defense of someone else?
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On my large text, it's because people were blatantly ignoring me, and I'd had to say the same thing repeatedly, and they still didn't read my posts. I had to get attention.
I am getting very tired of answering for every tiny little thing. Watch, that gets blown up into a scummy looking sentence in itself. I can see the argument now. "You wouldn't be tired of proving stuff if you were town! Scum's the ones that find it hard to prove everything, town's got nothing to worry about!" God, if that were true, mafia'd be a very simple game, and I wouldn't have such a headache reading some of these arguments.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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The posts she has made, during RVS, and shortly after, and the extremely softcore participation posts afterward.1. What does diferentiate Puta from than the other lurkers?
The posts she has made, during RVS, and shortly after, and the extremely softcore participation posts afterward. And the way people irrationally defend her when there's no reason for it.2. What besides of lurking has she done to gather her only vote?
Not neccessarily, but if an apple hits you in the head, are you under an apple tree or did someone throw it at you? if you look up, and there's no tree, chances are someone threw it at you.3. Do you think that if you lynch Puta and she comes up scum, the people that doesnt agree with you are inmediately scum?
Probably the scummiest of the people I'm not hunting. I wouldn't be too dissatisfied with a Hybris lynch, but I'm not ready to call the game on him yet. The thing that bothers me the most is the parasitic nature of most of his posts that try to associate him with people, because if he's scum, he knows who's likely town, and being buddies with a townie looks good on the record.4. What do you think of Hybris?
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KMD, what's the deal with the broken PR? No negative consequences?
Xtoxm, wtf? Charter's making a scum ploy by building a case on something rediculous, which REALLY bites if he's town because he's the perfect backlash if Wolf comes up scum. Even worse, if scum's throwing one of their own to the wolves to build great credibility.
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What makes you think she's town enough to vote me because I'm voting her?populartajo wrote:Zilla, that is not the reason of my vote.
The reason of my vote is
I am not defending her. She could well be scum but I DONT seen anything until now that tells me that.Tajo wrote:I am still happy with my Zilla vote because no one has explained yet why Puta deserves a vote with that security. (Zilla even admits that that she doesnt have much to go with) Yes, that bitch is lurking but so many players are and her behaviour doesnt scream that obvscum to me.
Tajo wrote:I am still happy with my Zilla votebecause no one has explained yet why Puta deserves a vote with that security.(Zilla even admits that that she doesnt have much to go with) Yes, that bitch is lurking but so many players are and her behaviour doesnt scream that obvscum to me.
Tomayto, tomahto.FoS: Populartajofor commiting to a vote on me justbecause he doesn't like my vote on Puta.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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EBWOP:
To clarify, you should have said "the people who are defending Puta." not the people who don't agree with me. It seems there's a lot of people who don't agree with me (by the vote chart, EVERYONE ELSE), but they're obviously not all scum. I can't see a town person going to the extent of voting me for voting Puta at this point. It screams sideways OMGUS.Zilla wrote:
Not neccessarily, but if an apple hits you in the head, are you under an apple tree or did someone throw it at you? if you look up, and there's no tree, chances are someone threw it at you.3. Do you think that if you lynch Puta and she comes up scum, the people that doesnt agree with you are inmediately scum?Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I already answered this.kloud1516 wrote:
Even so, the basic principle is still the same. You are advocating that town get off the subject, as focusing on it would only be distracting and lead to WIFOM arguments -- which you have just clarified yourself. I have already said that I agreed with you on this point, but the fact that you follow said statement in which you warn against WIFOM with a WIFOM statement of your own sent red flags flying high.Zilla wrote:
I was saying asking him if he had a post restriction, and focusing on that angle was a WIFOM and pointless.kloud1516 wrote:Zilla wrote:a) Start post 120 by saying that the discussion at the time concerning KMD being Tom is counterproductive and distracting, then follow this sentence with a WIFOM statement that only begs for further speculation to be generated (in my opinion at least).
It's not valid in that it's not correct. I can see the case that could be made about it though. It's the case of the kid looking in the cookie jar to see if her sister had taken any, turns out some are missing and the parents saw her looking, so she's accused.
If you are aware of how it looks, then can I rightfully assume that you are acknowledging this suspicion/opinion is valid?Zilla wrote:
I wanted to offer closing thoughts on it, hopefully taking the logic as far as it would go so we could drop it. I'm aware how it looks.b) You go on to say, despite your earlier statement of this whole discussion being a distraction, that "KMD could be self-aligned, at worst" and that this "entire branch of investigation is a red herring." There is a stark contradiction in the first paragraph and second paragraph, as you are first advocating that we move past the discussion of KMD's character and get to scumhunting, then add to the conversation by adding your own speculation to the mix. [/b]
That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that town focusing on his PR is detrimental, nothing at all to do with KMD.
I am not saying you are condemning him. What I said was it looks like you are in the process of trying to formulate a case against him, using this statement to spread paranoia through the town. The wording of the quoted post above, at least to me, comes off as you saying:Zilla wrote:
lol wut? I'm not condemning a person based on their PR at all, Id)
This to me seems like someone trying to plant seeds of doubt into the group, alluding to the notion that KMD is trying to draw attention to himself so that scum can go undetected. I do not like this statement at all, for to me it looks like the beginnings of someone trying to condemn another player based off the fact that he has a PR.Zilla wrote:If he's town though, this is stealing the stage and letting scum hide in the shadows...wasdoing the opposite, saying his PR cleared him of being FCC. Again, I no longer believe that. In fact, this whole block quote is weird in itself. You're saying he's intentionally drawing attention to himself to allow scum to hide? Why would he do that if he was town? Why would he do that if he was scum?
"If he is town, then his current actions are anti-town, for he is allowing scum to slip by with all the commotion he is causing." I realize that this a matter of opinion, and others may not agree with me, but I felt it was noteworthy nonetheless. I get a "he may be pro-town, but this action makes me feel otherwise" sort of vibe from the post, and that was the point I was trying to make here.
I did read the post, and I missed the part where you said there can't be any self-aligned people in Quahog. How the hell can you discount that possibility? I have nothing to answer for here. I'm sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you had an actual argument here instead of horribly weird illogic.
If you look at the response above for just a moment before flying off the handle, you will see that you were tossing around the idea that heZilla wrote:
I'm referring to the PR, which may be self-imposed, which makes it analogous to soft-claiming Tom Tucker. Afterward, I'm talking about how if character and alignment mean anything, Tom Tucker probably isn't FCC, which doesn't instantly clear him, because he could still be self-aligned. IN NO WAY AM I ARGUING THAT HE
What soft-claim are you referencing? Him having a PR? You were not arguing anything, you were making WIFOM arguments then toss around the idea thatZilla wrote:@ Kloud, indeed, I got sucked into it as well, but I was trying to move on past the post-restriction arguement andinstead argue what his soft-claim meant.If it's true that character has nothing at all to do with alignment, then we have no information, and can essentially sum up that we know nothing about KMD's alignment.If character does have something to do with it, then my arguments can be applied.without any reasoning that would support the claim.hecouldbe self-alignedISSELF ALIGNED. I HAVENEVERSAID HEEVERISSELF ALIGNED. I just wanted to say that, even if he wasn't FCC, that doesn't make him pro-town. THAT'S ALL.couldbe self-aligned. You did:
and so the statement you are addressing above is completely valid. I never said that that you claimed heZilla wrote:At worst, a Tom Tucker could be self-aligned. I think this entire branch of investigation is a red-herring.wasself-aligned, but you brought up the idea. Your all-caps snap back is unnecessary, for if you would have actually read the context of the post, (particularly the part I have bolded, put in green, and underlined) you would see this.
More fully: I'm saying that he could possibly be self-aligned just as much as anyone could be self-aligned. The only thing you could contest with me on this is by saying he absolutely ISN'T self-aligned, a position that could only be taken by masons and scum on day 1.
I already addressed this. Do I need to bring out the large font yet again?
Thank you for using another Appeal to Emotion. As I said in the quoted text above that you are responding to: it isn't the fact that you were wrong that is suspicious, but the notion that you are insisting we simply erase all content that made you look suspicious that makes you look scummy.Zilla wrote:As said already, just because you say you did not mean (or annul) everything you said earlier does not clear your slate. The statements were scummy, and that is not going to change. It is one thing to be misinformed. It is one thing to draw conclusions as well. It is another case entirely when you begin to drawn conclusions based off no information at all, as you were only encouraging further speculation that would have kept the town from scumhunting.Thank you for letting me know being wrong about something is fatal.
Charter's arguement
If you're scum and he's not, you're framing a townie on stupid logic. Your case is rediculous because it's centered on one clause in one sentence as some kind of Freudian slip, as if you know how wolfram thinks and how he communicates. It's entirely baseless and rediculous. I shouldn't have to say this. Furthermore, even met with criticism, you only attempt to strengthen your weak position. You're trying to build a castle on swampy ground. At the very least, it's better than the ones that have been built in the air.charter wrote:
Show how what I have done is a "scum ploy". Show how my case is "ridiculous". Don't make accusations you cannot back up.Zilla wrote:Xtoxm, wtf? Charter's making a scum ploy by building a case on something rediculous, which REALLY bites if he's town because he's the perfect backlash if Wolf comes up scum. Even worse, if scum's throwing one of their own to the wolves to build great credibility.
Basically, that's extremely shaky reasoning that doesn't deserve the support it's getting.
A nice number there, do you have the whole scum gang pushing for it?And two more votes besides mine? Are you kidding me? That's no support at all. Your overdefensiveness on wolf's behalf is noted.
furthermore, I don't claim wolfram is innocent, but he hasn't done anything as remotely scummy as you trumpeting him as being "for sure" scum because he said "especially if you are town." Building a weak case on someone is stupid, harmful to town, and shouldn't be done by anyone. Especially if you are town.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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The thought crossed my mind, but there's key differences; I'm not blowing an argument out of proportion to exaggerate my case (I know exactly what its strength is, but I'm still convinced it's valid), and the statement "He hasn't done anything as remotely scummy" does not apply to Puta. IIRC, even you admitted Puta's few posts were scummy. That could have been someone else though.populartajo wrote:Posting from a phone. Woot.
This is exactly how I feel about you, Zilla.Zilla wrote:furthermore, I don't claimwolframPuta is innocent, but he hasn't done anything as remotely scummyas you trumpeting him as being "for sure" scum because he said "especially if you are town."In fact, you are the only one pushing for her right now.Building a weak case on someone is stupid, harmful to town, and shouldn't be done by anyone. Especially if you are town.
Will come back with more after my LA.
I'm also not trumpeting about that Puta is confirmed scum and deserves to be our day 1 lynch.
IF?!?! IF you're town and right about wolf, you're damn lucky. I don't believe I need to extend my point that this is extremely far-fetched? I'm not alone on this either.charter wrote:
IF?!?!? What IF I'm town and wolf is scum, I've caught scum. Looks to me like it's town logic from how you determine things.Zilla, bold mine wrote:charter wrote:Show how what I have done is a "scum ploy". Show how my case is "ridiculous". Don't make accusations you cannot back up.Ifyou're scum and he's not, you're framing a townie on stupid logic.
If they're valid and true Freudian slips, that's fine, and I've used real ones before, but this is not a Freudian slip. You misunderstand the tone he's conveying with the clause, and that misunderstanding is not basis for a case.
Freudian slips are a perfectly valid way of catching scum. Are you insinuating that they ARE NOT allowed to be used to catch scum?Zilla wrote:Your case is rediculous because it's centered on one clause in one sentence as some kind of Freudian slip, as if you know how wolfram thinks and how he communicates.
It would have a base if it was a Freudian slip. I'm showing what you're trying to do/pass it off as, but that's not the case. When met with criticism, especially if you're town, you would reconsider your case to make sure you were right, so we don't lynch a townie. The only way you can be convinced of Wolf's alignment is if you are scum, and he's not in your mafia.
In the last part of your quote, you even said how it has base, it's a Freudian slip. Of course when met with criticism I'm going to attempt to strengthen my position. What else would I do, just back down and hide in the shadows?zilla wrote:It's entirely baseless and rediculous. I shouldn't have to say this. Furthermore, even met with criticism, you only attempt to strengthen your weak position. You're trying to build a castle on swampy ground. At the very least, it's better than the ones that have been built in the air.
So you're acknowledging that you are being overdefensive for wolf by not refuting my claim? You're also acknowledging that you somehow know there are three scum?[/quote]Zilla wrote:A nice number there, do you have the whole scum gang pushing for it?
So you're putting words in my mouth and attempting to equate having logic with being scumbuddies with wolfram? You're also trying to say my rhetorical question implies I know anything about the amount of scum?
More on this, I only meant to imply that it's entirely possible for the wolfram voters to be a scum team pushing for his lynch, albeit that would be entirely suicidal, and I don't believe that's the case. The point needs to be addressed though, because it's a WIFOM situation, scum may be counting on us thinking such a move would be too stupid. In no way do I ever assert that there are three and exactly three scum members, nor am I implying anything of the sort.
That's what you'd like to think, and would like to make true. Even your refutations of my claims are shoddy, yet you want to pretend they're infallible.Zilla wrote:Especially if you are town.
Obviously this isn't a "use this phrase and you're scum." Obviously how wolf did it is distinctly different.
You did not show that my accusation is a "scum ploy" or "ridculous".
I would advise dropping this line of reasoning now before you attract the votes of the people who understand the situation better than you do. If you can find better evidence for Wolfram to be scum, by all means, put it forward, and it may actually be damning enough to vote him, but so far your track record has been pretty lousy and I see no reason to believe another half-brained theory.I would advise dropping this now before you start inventing arguements to try and defend someone you (should not) have any knowledge of alignment.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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My entire point is that though he may not be FCC, he may still not be town-aligned. I don't think any other alignment demonstrates that as well as Self-Aligned. And really, what else is there? Cult? Isn't that under the umbrella of Self-Aligned? I could be ignorant of some other alignment that is anti-town, but I still make my point.kloud1516 wrote:I am not discounting it, as it is always a possibility. You are correct, there is not enough information to either state something as fact or rule anything out at this point, but this is exactly what caught my eye. What I found to stand out was, out of all the possibilities, you decide to toss out the idea that he may be self-aligned. Why self-aligned of all possible role categories? I felt that this could have been a minor slip, but when you elaborate on your stance I can see that my initial impression may not be what I made it out to be.
The problem lies in somehow misconstruing that to say that I'm saying KMD is Tom is Self-Aligned, which I am not. All my points about Tom's alignment worked in "Crazy Character Equals Alignment Land (which is where I come from, apparently)." The mention of being self-aligned was simply there to caution people that just because Tom wasn't likely FCC didn't mean he was clear and free either. Now please tell me I don't have to spend the next 5 pages explaining again how I know that character has nothing to do with alignment.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Concise version:
What reasoning do I need?... you were making WIFOM arguments then toss around the idea thatwithout any reasoning that would support the claim. ...hecouldbe self-aligned
No really.
Honestly.
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Zilla wrote:The thought crossed my mind, but there's key differences;I'm not blowing an argument out of proportion to exaggerate my case(I know exactly what its strength is, but I'm still convinced it's valid), and the statement "He hasn't done anything as remotely scummy" does not apply to Puta.
Way to step down.charter wrote:
Fair enough, like I said, it's tough to see, but it is there.Kmd4390 wrote:Charter, I still think you case on Wolf is crap.
Not going to keep responding to the slew of terrible logic coming from Zilla anymore.Like I said, you either see it or you don't.I don't play mafia by consulting my book of scumtells and just voting for whoever commits the most of them, prolly why I can never convince anyone of my cases.Townies commit 'scumtells' too you know.
It's not a case of "you see it or you don't." It's obvious what you see. I can guarantee everyone here knows what you're talking about. That doesn't change that it's a crap vote for a crap reason.
Your last sentence COMPLETELY confuses me, because your entire case is based around one scumtell that could have been committed by town. You've just negated your whole premise, which has been that Wolfram must be scum because he made a Freudian slip (a very interpretive analysis as well).Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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On Hybris:
KMD, I'd say you're losing ground here, but you're forgetting some of the points that haven't been answered yet. Hybris has a point about the lurking thing, which is why I'm still on Puta's case, among other reasons (the odd no-basis defenses of her are suspicious). There's worse lurkers who have simply appeared to contribute (Tony Montana?).
I wouldn't say RestFermata counts in this, all of her posts were full of content IIRC.
One case that Hybris hasn't been able to refute was not contributing because it might attract attention? What is that?
Either way, I'm still on the fence about Hybris. There is a case there, but I'm sore over Puta not answering for anything and Charter being rediculous too much to vote hybris. That's third on my priority list right now.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Just stop talking before you completely destroy your case.charter wrote:You don't understand that townies commit so called scumtells? Really?
Why would a townie ever be mislynched then! Hey guys, this guy looks really town, let's lynch him!
I don't believe that townies ever think (or in wolf's case know) someone is town, and then vote them like wolf did.
TM's vote actually gave me a good laugh.
Oh wait, too late.
to KMD:
I meant that the "Hybris was lurking" isn't going anywhere. We all know s/he's not lurking now. I'm saying that his/her somewhat lurky nature from before doesn't amount to much unless you push on the content of those posts. I don't see scumhunting at the moment but I also don't expect it because if Hybris did anything right now, just about anyone would call it "deflecting attention."
Hybris, you brought it up yourself, for the reason you reiterated in your last post. Not contributing to the discussion is scummy because you come across as having something to hide, which shouldn't be the case if you're town. It doesn't matter if you have anything useful to say, letting town know where you stand on the issue helps them classify you as either town or scum, and so withholding that information, we can only assume the worst.
I can guarantee if charter stopped scumming so hard and Puta assuaged my suspicions, I'd be on this train.
And further because charter still doesn't get the point, and right now he's actually arguing against himself and thinking somehow he's arguing against me...
Actually, I'm content to let him do that.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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KMD, again, I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT HYBRIS ISN'T LURKING ANYMORE. That's not at all what I said. I explained AGAIN in my last post that Hybris' lurking status is a non-issue. Please reread that more carefully.Kmd4390 wrote:Zilla, again, I KNOW THAT HYBRIS ISN'T LURKING ANYMORE.
Puta, nice to see you're back and sticking it to the man for voting on a one-liner of logic! That'll show them to actually provide sound reasoning for their votes and not just tossing in a vote that looks pro-town for the sake of looking town!
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I think you're still missing the point, that it wasn't the lurking that was the problem ever. To begin with. Before now.
It's quite frustrating needing to bring something up 3 times to get attention. Maybe I should rephrase everything three times just to get the point across. It's possible being redundant could clarify my posts a little better. Saying the same thing repetitively may aid others in understanding what I'm trying to say.
I'm saying you're not going to get anywhere through the lurking argument, because even before now, Hybris wasn't truly lurking. The point to address is the intent and content of Hybris's posts. The point of Hybris lurking is a dead-end, it's not inherently scummy enough to hold weight, and it wasn't demonstrated strongly enough in the thread to hold weight. It's better to focus on what was said than how much.
Have I made it clear yet? Do you understand now? Is further elaboration required?
(Sorry for condescending, but it's really rediculous how much of my posts are ignored. I apologize for the belittling tone, however, it's quite ludicrous how many times I've had to restate the same thing in multiple posts. I express my deepest regrets over belitting the intelligence of those who are reading, alas, my previous posts have required much the same further elaboration before they are understood).Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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Are you SERIOUS?charter wrote:Like I said, done trying to convince anyone.Go ahead and lynch hybris, he won't be scum.And yes, I am going to use the "I told ya so" tomorrow in this scenario.
Also none of your post there has anything to do with what wolf said and how it makes him scum.
[/b]Unvcote: Puta puta
Vote: Charter[/b]
I don't even nead to explain myself because you've done a splendid job laying out my logic for me. If you want to know why I'm voting Charter, read Charter's posts for the last three pages.
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Because you KNOW that Hybris is town, yes, we know. Someone whom you admit to suspecting until, heh, Wolf made it SO apparent that Hybris MUST be town and that he's voting for him because he must be scum trying to get a quick lynch in on town. You think you're being clever, but you're being incredibly dense. What you see is not hidden at all, and you're misinterpreting/skewing it. I have two explanations running through my mind, neither of which are good. One, you're playing like an idiot because you're a jester, or two, you're scum that knows it would seem scummy to back down in the face of logic so you're hoping we play it off as an misguided townie. It's still enitrely possible you're self-aligned/third party and Wolf actually is FCC, but I don't see you being town with THIS bad of logic. Unless, can other players verify that he plays like this?Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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I don't think you're town, especially with your quick little one-shot posts with no commitment to them, and actually adhereing to charter's illogic.
I'm open to the possibility that scum's trying to get motion behind the wolfram-vote, but the only reason they would do that is if they didn't like the current wagon. Yet Hybris is also saying the Wolfram train is stupid. Just how deep does this conspiracy go?
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^ Valid points, you've demoted Puta on my list.
I think we've got something going on with the circus we're in at the moment though. Llama, I'd like to hear why Charter/Hybris/Wolfram are less worthy of lynching than The Internet.Aware of that. However, you are attacking him repeatedly. Assault and battery can lead to death if sustained over a period of time. ~ Cybele-
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KMD, do you see what I mean about people not listening? You've said the same thing twice and almost the same thing three times about your post restriction.
I do enjoy how BlakAdder just did what Hybris did for me and caused both me and Hybris to come under fire .
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