UK Eastermeet 2022 Invitational (Game over!)

[mykonian]

Well, this is a lot weirder than I was expecting. We probably should go for some form of potato-based justice.

I'd vote you for that suggestion.

All the power to anyone who can convince someone to give up their potato but the day should not start with that discussion.

I am feeling very good about both our consuls.

[mykonian]

Menno can give me enough warning to do that if potato death is his next move, sure. Although I feel I missed most of the potato based memes.

It's not a meme.

It's misery.



I think you want to be more proactive than that. Primate gave you the opportunity to do so, don't leave it to Menno.

[mykonian]

I'm quite happy to go along with the Bella elim, further posts didn't really improve anything. I don't think Primates post was particulary confusing, although I could see it being a (pleasant) surprise. I would not have expected it irl, but forum games are quite different after all.

This is important.

Thorin Oakenshield, 6

you had me at first.

[mykonian]

ah, we get a votecount even! How wonderful, mister mod.

vote Bella

[mykonian]

I don't understand how you people end up with only townreads.

CES might very well be scum knowing the potato debacle (though I could see his POV as a mod there where he knows how it should have been played). I don't think the push on Bella is anything special, she's just tripping a lot of newb tells as the most practiced (?) player in this game. That covers Bella as potential scum as well.

Nexus is opening is hiding behind negativity, and I don't think he actually had to get going. As scum, it'd be the dream to get away with how he started to see where town is going with the start of the game and then just settle in.

welcome to my pocket, takuma. It's fairly roomy there.

Also this quote, I'd dream to have it not be discussed at all and just slide it into a conversation. Buddying is a big word, and I could see it coming from town. But I'd want to make this post as scum.

In terms of getting away with things, softclaiming is up there for Fenchurch, but by this point this has become meta. I also think the hesitance to call Menno town doesn't feel so great and the same tone is used for the read on CES. I would also flip the read on CES upside down: the use of potatoes seems like a distraction at first and useful after scumhunting, and reaching at the start of the game seems quite helpful in general.

Day 1 quickguess: evil team is Primate and Bella, Cpol cult something.

This screams scum with information that there are multiple teams out there. Yes there was cult at the meet. They weren't actually recruiting though and this whole confusion about whether or not there was recruitment really didn't help with figuring out what was going on with the whodunnit.

I am reading Primates opening as decidedly helpful, but I am surprised by it. There's no knee jerk opposition to it anywhere which is doubly surprising. If you are having too many townreads, at least this was worth investigating.

Menno town, Fenchurch town, CES town, Postie probably town? Bella's thoughts in 44 are very close to mine and I'm inclined to townread her for it. But generally I think she'll respond similarly to early pressure as either alignment and a more consistent way of getting a read on her is watching what she does when there are few eyes on her. I don't really want her to be the D1 lim, I think she has plenty of potential to make her alignment clear later.

I'm pretty happy that the potato play is the right play at the moment, and Bella seems like a fair choice given what's been said so far, so...

VOTE: Bellaphant

VOTE: cpol

And then there's you. I don't even mind the townreads so much as that you don't have any scumreads. And then... defaulting on cpol already? If someone's playing to their meta it's them.

[mykonian]

@myko

Can you give me the TL:Dr of why potatoes was a debacle? Do you think potato voting is or isn't helpful today?

Scum spent most of the game discussion how many potatoes town wanted to use and why this was good/bad. Or that when potatoes were handed out by a role we could extend the game. Werewolves could eat people (and I think that's the same here, it only says town dies) so it's an investigation moreso than an elimination.

The game was finished with a single actual elimination with people having voted on it but this was on Patrick who had already given up their potato. I think the first day we ran out of time again before the deadline having just discussed potatoes and two frustrated townies having given up their potato.

Yes it theoretically gives good information to have more people eliminated early and or catch some scum in there so that you can Elim them next day, but info is worth so much less if you don't actually get the interactions before that. So in this case it start to be ok for you to give up your potato because so many people have commented on you. It'd be pointless to end up with just 3 people giving up their potato today because: "it's the right thing to do" and no actual thought having gone into it so it ends up with the lurkers once again. At least with the consuls we are less likely to forget to Elim today.

You say I'm 'tripping a lot of newb tells' for someone so practised, but I'm kind of missing the 'thrust' of this sentence, you seem to go from the push is meh to Bella is meh to Bella could or could not be scum, which...yes, that is the game of mafia

Emphasis is the wrong way around. I can see a couple of scummy sentences but I'd expect to catch out someone who doesn't play much with those. It shouldn't say as much about someone who's played plenty. It's an easy case to make, but it's hard to be convinced by it even if I'm the one making the case. So yes, it's a 60/40 thing. I'm perfectly pleased with the direction the game took at the start.

You do the same reads meander with primate: he's helpful, but maybe it's scummy!

I don't think he is scum. But I don't think he's playing to his meta either. Surprising things are worth thinking about. You and klick and postie and takuma are sitting around on mainly or only townreads and in some cases even already stating you might have too many. I don't see why you wouldn't look at this, it's the most definite thing that has happened and it's a surprise on top. You and Klick ignore it entirely, Postie at least has a peak.

[mykonian]

@klick, how do you feel about myko? He's the other person I'm feeling meh about, but it might be nai.

you made it sound like you had a reason.

but it required backup?

I wouldn't mind explanations on either. Because your vote now sounds like PoE.

[mykonian]

I do have a reason: the weird 'grey' of your posting. It was further backed up by a post that felt really meandery from you: it seems vaguely negative at most people, without nailing down ant definite reads. Your follow up is a bit better but then this last post feels scummy again: why wouldn't I want to talk to klick, who I can usually read? It's not about back up or poe,

Those meandering reads are from the post

after

you ask Klick whether he can support your suspicion on me.

What was the reason before that? It might have been "NAI", but there was something according to you.

[mykonian]

Fair question but I will corroborate that your first two posts were scummy myko.

For one, I'd be happier if you let them say that. P-edit: which they then didn't.

And I disagree about my second post. I think leaving initiative to the other consul is the easy way out. Bella didn't have to make her actions conditional to Mennos choices. Bella didn't have to make their suspicion of me conditional to Klick's agreement either. If I don't press the issue there I don't think she'll be inclined to move about her suspicions either.

Also please stop agreeing with me. It's really unhelpful.

[mykonian]

don't like how many townreads there are on me! must be scum in there trying to avoid execution.

time to wield that power

I'm leaning towards exonerating Bella, but not yet.

This seems premature. The wagons on me and cpol are pretty shit. Unless you have a call out of the blue, I think we are happy just keeping the option open of going for Bella. There is no rule that we cannot go for our first thought at the end of the day.

[mykonian]

can't you people read. im not gonna unnominate Bella until we get a better option

No.

And it sounded like you were giving them hope. That's such a dangerous emotion.

[mykonian]

Vote Nexus

[mykonian]

I think he offered that game as well and people wouldn't accept the potato.

[mykonian]

but do see myself as low hanging fruit for an execution - either today or another day, so hopefully I can remove myself from that consideration and we can scum hunt elsewhere, especially today where there is still some time left in the day.

You are too down on yourself, the votes of Nexus and Klick had nothing behind them really. Primates question to you did. I don't think you'd be on the chopping block anytime soon.

I think this was a mistake, Fenchurch is the one person who doesn't remember that you had the same sentiment in the physical game.

[mykonian]

Give it back, then, Fenchurch.

Given you are voting Cpol, why do you want them to have their potato back?

[mykonian]

@myko - For someone accusing everyone else of having too many townreads and not enough scumreads, it's weird that you're not voting anyone. Vote a scumread and explain it please.

I'm voting Nexus currently. I think he got into this game in a scummy manner, I feel like it's the kind of gameplay where you look where town is heading before you commit. I think the Cpol vote fits that story. Coincidentally, I think he should've looked for another place to put his vote down, or even unvote, when he asked Fenchurch to give the potato back. It's not the contradiction I mind so much (townies are fully capable of doing that) it's the passivity, the lack of initiative.

I did vote him at first as well because I got bored of being stuck on the Bella wagon. I do think we are letting her off the hook for no good reason at all. I think her posts have seen little to no improvement since the start of the game, and I don't think that's massively because of any pressure either. I don't think it's defensiveness that's putting me off (which is something that could drag you into a tunnel). I just don't like the way they go about the game.

I was wrong about Fenchurch. I do think the reason was fine.. but I should've read the first post better. I think that quote was somewhat selective too, I discussed more about the reasonableness of a potential cult and what made me more worried about it being a red herring. I think that reasoning still stands too. I don't think there will be any cultist recruitment here.

[mykonian]

I will say that in at least two WereLeg games in the meet Myko kinda buddied with me, and both times was scum iirc. There is a level of the same behaviour happening here.

The first time I suspected you might become a consul again, iirc.

So you'd have to worry if I wanted a private conversation with Menno. Here you are just playing to your meta, I am not surprised by your play, I think the wagon on you is pretty hollow. Fenchurch is the one who put most effort into it and she's wavering, the other two are just as confused as you are why they are voting you. You should get a potato.

I myself don't think I'm that fortunate, I would be a lot happier if people wouldn't find themselves with "neutral leaning scum reads" of me, as I'm getting too close to a consensus gut feeling deadline Elim already.

[mykonian]

oh dear.

We used to be better at this, right?