KTaNE [game over!]

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: andante

Probably shitler

[VP Baltar]

wait so we have to lim AND defuse a bomb???? For some reason (read: not reading closely) I thought the day play was just picking who defused the bomb.

[VP Baltar]

is defusing the bombs optional?

[VP Baltar]

I don't fully understand this setup that's for sure.

Same. I assumed the bombs were mandatory because like...yeah, why would you do them otherwise????

[VP Baltar]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

[VP Baltar]

well even if they were mandatory somehow, we'd just intentionally give bad info if we decide we want to fail all bombs by default

oh like use them as a double elim?

It's a basic game of wifom.

If scum put themselves up, and we all townread them, then they win.
If scum put themselves up and a lone ranger scumreads them, then scum lose.
If scum put town up and we scumread them, scum win.
If scum put town up and we townread them, we win.

Ok got it.

[VP Baltar]

please go read the setup again.

Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.

[VP Baltar]

VP is way too self conscious compared to their town meta.

I don't know what this means.

HEAL: catboi

[VP Baltar]

I read the last few pages and I feel like only catboi and maybe ceph actually know what they are taking about?

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: frogster

this serious?

[VP Baltar]

i think for now it might be ok to treat the bomb as an optional town directed kill, we do need to understand that mafia can choose the defuser while knowing the experts though and can potentially send someone they think is being misread by the experts

So basically, let's send four strong town reads as experts and they can decide whether to sabotage whoever is nommed as defuser.

but how do we get around this?

during the first 4 days, once someone has acted as a bomb expert, they are unable to be a bomb expert the next two nights, meaning they cannot be nominated.

[VP Baltar]

lol frog meme reads on page six is probably town frog

HEAL: frogster

[VP Baltar]

I can't tell what determines how many bomb experts there are,

Here:

on night one, each bomb will have 4 experts. from night 2 and onwards, each bomb will have 3 experts, until there is 7 or fewer players alive. at that point, each bomb will have 2 experts.

[VP Baltar]

VP are you OK?

I have a packed work week, but yeah!

You think I shouldn't be able to read you?

[VP Baltar]

there will be 2 bomb defusals on night 1, and 1 bomb defusal each following night.

oh shit, so we need 8 experts tonight?

(Welcome to VP reads the rules closely for the first time, a TED Talk)

[VP Baltar]

VP are you OK?

I have a packed work week, but yeah!

You think I shouldn't be able to read you?

You're scum by tone. And activity level. It could be NAI if there's something going on, but I think if there were something going on you would have said that at the beginning.

You haven't rolled scum in a while, have you VP?

I think the last time I rolled scum wasn't that long ago. Was in a multiball game that Not Mafia hosted.

What do you mean said that at the beginning? That I have a lot of work this week?

[VP Baltar]

Yes. And I know what game you're referring to.

When was the last time you rolled scum before that?

FWIW, I don't think my work will like super impact my ability to play the game. I was more just complaining because all my colleagues took off on spring break and I'm picking up the slack.

Um, before that, IDK. I think I rolled scum once or twice during marathon games. I have a bad memory for this kind of stuff. What's the relevance of the last time I rolled scum?

[VP Baltar]

very neutral on morning

what is a very neutral read?

[VP Baltar]

sneak peek of the first page of the mod pt postgame:

this mf

[VP Baltar]

I think not rolling scum in a legit game in a long time

I just told you I rolled scum in this game: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=88831

Also the words I bolded cause me to suspect someone might be lying coming from almost any person in pretty much any situation ever, even if I said them myself.

Don't know what to tell you on that. I don't track or even think about my games after they are over. I think it's weirder when people can be like "oh, I played with so and so in such and such a game four years ago".

I probably couldn't even tell you the name of our first game together without having to look it up or think about it very hard, and that was not long ago!

[VP Baltar]

very neutral on morning

what is a very neutral read?

as in null

interacting with her so far hasn’t left me any closer on her alignment

Have you played with MT a lot?

[VP Baltar]

Because I don't like you.

taking this as a compliment then!

[VP Baltar]

I can’t shake the feeling of “Are these reads actually real? And do they believe that?”

Feel like this is the exact feeling when you know it is Frogster town.

[VP Baltar]

although i guess we don't know the defuser until after twilight. if we're nominating consensus townies as experts, it should be up to them to decide amongst themselves in their hood, assuming open discussion is allowed.

Hard thing will be finding 8 consensus townies in the early game of a large probably.

actually, this raises a question for me:

mod, does town get to decide which chosen experts go to which bomb?

[VP Baltar]

the defuser and the experts are free to discuss the game as they wish.

definitely thinking the experts should take advantage of this and hold open court before getting to any of the minigame stuff. defuser should probably be excluded from discussion for the most part.

I agree with this. I'm sort of thinking about if we send 3 hard town reads with 1 null or scummier player as experts. Would that force the hand of the scummier person to solve the bomb properly or risk getting limmed the next day? Might be way too much wifom to actually be an effective strategy at narrowing pools though.

[VP Baltar]

the defuser and the experts are free to discuss the game as they wish.

definitely thinking the experts should take advantage of this and hold open court before getting to any of the minigame stuff. defuser should probably be excluded from discussion for the most part.

I don't like the idea of excluding a diffuser. That's our last chance to read them.

Right but the point is whether they let the bomb blow or defuse it right? Defuser is going to have a biased take on that regardless. Obv, they should still talk, but the decision is completely out of their hands regardless.

[VP Baltar]

Mod: Can I have multiple heals?

Yeah. You can heal as many people as you want I think

[VP Baltar]

the way he's townreading Frog, I could see as an early attempt to buddy/deflect an extremely vocal player who already suspects him

Have you played with frog before?

[VP Baltar]

VP why are you answering a question directed at the mod that the mod already answered

can you link me to a completed town game or two where you feel you played similarly to how you're playing here? maybe a mechanics heavy game if possible?

I just replied as I saw the post. Didn't see datisi had gotten to it already.

Let me go find the Guardians game I recently played. That was very mech heavy and I made a bunch of mech errors early because I didn't understand the game.

[VP Baltar]

Here you go: viewtopic.ph

[VP Baltar]

Here you go: viewtopic.ph

Whoops viewtopic.php?f=51&t=88398

[VP Baltar]

vp has fear in his heart

Terrified!

[VP Baltar]

vp has fear in his heart

Terrified!

have you figured out who I am yet?

Maybe? I don't want to guess though because I don't like to ruin people's alts if I'm right

[VP Baltar]

vp has fear in his heart

Terrified!

have you figured out who I am yet?

Maybe? I don't want to guess though because I don't like to ruin people's alts if I'm right

You don't care that multiple people think you're maf? What are your reads looking like?

Who, you and frogster? Frogster is tone reading me (after reading me wrong more than once before), and you're scumreading me for an offhand remark. I get it, it's RVS and people are poking for early reads. I don't particularly care though, no.

As far as my reads, I think frogster is probably lean town and I kind of like the way the Bulge is talking about mech and poking catboi. Catboi seems to be giving +town advice, though I found his crabbiness a bit weird.

Guilty Lion's vote on me is maybe a bit of a scummy stretch. Moreover than Praetorians, though I think I know who Prae is now.

That's about it? I don't really have strong reads yet.

[VP Baltar]

vp has fear in his heart

Terrified!

have you figured out who I am yet?

Maybe? I don't want to guess though because I don't like to ruin people's alts if I'm right

You don't care that multiple people think you're maf? What are your reads looking like?

Why did you quote posts that post to ask that question?

[VP Baltar]

Btw, we can unvote someone for defuser if we want somehow? I presume?

Hurt tags, assuming you mean bomb expert

[VP Baltar]

Dwlee, why is andante scum?

[VP Baltar]

And yeah, I find it odd you don't care that like, there's genuine suspicion on you, and you don't care... like, it's not even a RVS "haha gottem!!"

alright, I do have a question on your reads, you're thinking bulge town off mech talk? cause I'm feeling the exact opposite, I've never played with bulge before so like, maybe you have expertise I don't have? but yeah, I do think it's interesting you town lean him, and if you don't mind, I'd LOVE to hear more on that read

As far as not caring I'm getting sussed over some dumb shit, I just think frog is town and I don't have a good read on you yet, but you could be town. Part of me thinks you're coming at me with some tinfoil cause I voted you in RVS and you like to OMGUS. (Which tbf, is maybe me tinfoiling!)

On Bulge, it's not just mech. He was kind of pokey with catboi, who has been kind of acting bossman around the mech talk, and I don't think scum would necessarily do that.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: ceph

This is serious. Pooky, if you don't join, you are buddies with Ceph

[VP Baltar]

1. Andante
2. Cephrir
3. Pooky?
4. Hmm maybe this list isn't good because it's only people that have posted while I've been around...

You're just that good.

[VP Baltar]

HEAL: dwlee

[VP Baltar]

Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently

Sorry you got it again then!

[VP Baltar]

Yeah it's been pretty unreal I havent counted but something like 2 town 8 scum recently

Sorry you got it again then!

Zzz just let me do cephrir things for a while you'll end up townreading me eventually I'm just too cute

I don't think I've ever played with you, so I'm not sure what to look for. What's your town game like vs your scum game?

Also, thoughts on Andante's reasoning on me?

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: VPB

Oh shut, here comes the ceph chainsaw.

[VP Baltar]

Sympathies to scum team for getting pooky.

[VP Baltar]

Reality- I've gotten really good at imitating my town game so I actually dont know what the difference is anymore

Well this doesn't help me.

[VP Baltar]

Are they using their trauma for good or evil

I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.

I don't have enough meta to know if they can fake enthusiastically solve. I don't have a grasp on their scum game.

Andante's town game is obvious because she gives a bunch of wild changing reads, buddies up to anyone who calls her town, and omgus anyone who calls her scum. (No disrespect, she just plays a very emotionally transparent game)

[VP Baltar]

Are they using their trauma for good or evil

I think the best thing is to look past stuff like that and look at her analysis. She's enthusiastically solving and trying to analyze with some level of depth, so probably town.

I don't have enough meta to know if they can fake enthusiastically solve. I don't have a grasp on their scum game.

Andante's town game is obvious because she gives a bunch of wild changing reads, buddies up to anyone who calls her town, and omgus anyone who calls her scum. (No disrespect, she just plays a very emotionally transparent game)

she does the last two as scum lol

Haha, damn that's some yolo life. Well then....

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Lukewarm

debated how long I was going to wait for this. Sorry to say that Lukewarm rolled scum this game.

Curious why you decoded to drop this read now when you made it sound like you were gonna hold powder for a min. What changed?

[VP Baltar]

Also, Luke, you play with frogster before?

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Lukewarm

debated how long I was going to wait for this. Sorry to say that Lukewarm rolled scum this game.

Curious why you decoded to drop this read now when you made it sound like you were gonna hold powder for a min. What changed?

I saw enough that I didn't feel like waiting anymore.

What did you see?

I was also kind of tweaked on Luke a little bit because that frogster case was pretty reachy. But I also wasn't super sure if I'm being over critical of him because frog looks town here.

[VP Baltar]

I strongly dislike dwlee's Andante push.

Andante feels townish here, and I also know she's kind of an easy mislim having fallen into the trap of tunneling her more than once recently. I think dwlee knows this too.

What specifically don't you like about Dwlee's push?

Also, what about Andante's play makes her town in your eyes?

[VP Baltar]

the town!VP I remember

I meant to ask last night, what game are you referring to? Outside of marathons, I can't remember the last time we played together.

[VP Baltar]

Uhh I have a massively unfinished list so people not mentioned are essentially no clues or I have had the chance to look into.

Not willing to vote out
Andante

Would be fine with voting out.
Frogsterking
Dwlee (Partial paranoia but he just feels like how he played in Mini 2265 and I can never get a read on him.

This is a weird list. Why are any of these people where they are?

[VP Baltar]

This is also a bad meta analysis of Andante. She has a capable scum game

I'm not saying she has a bad scum game at all. I'm saying I think her emotional intent is readable. However, I'm willing to grant I am not an expert with andante. I probably should refresh on some games with her to get a better read if I plan to rely on meta.

For now, I'd put her in the lean town category, but that's as much gut as anything. I don't understand how folks are like locktowning her for sure, other than spammy people tend to get passes D1.

[VP Baltar]

*spammy likeable people (probably more accurate)

[VP Baltar]

Good night Strange, I see what you mean about 546.

wish i rolled mason with someone else

Yeah I feel it my imagination gets like that too

Froggy, why are you calling out Ceph for fluff and then encouraging the same fluff? Don't make me question my read on you pls.

[VP Baltar]

Where is andres?

[VP Baltar]

Greeting [6]: catboi, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever

catboiiiii (or anyone), help me understand this?

What's with all the Greeting town reads? Their ISO is just mech talk. What am I missing?

[VP Baltar]

Greeting [6]: catboi, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lukewarm, Cat Scratch Fever

catboiiiii (or anyone), help me understand this?

What's with all the Greeting town reads? Their ISO is just mech talk. What am I missing?

He tried to break the game under an incorrect assumption about how the bomb expert votes work.

That type of post never comes from scum, if scum believe there's a breaking strategy they don't post it publicly.

Ok, I suppose that has some logic to it.

[VP Baltar]

I don't buy at all the argument that more people townreading her makes her scum.

If anything, I'd be worried the inverse is true, that people trying to call her town too easily are buddying her and hoping to point andante's energy at other targets.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: lukewarm

Sure

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Lukewarm

debated how long I was going to wait for this. Sorry to say that Lukewarm rolled scum this game.

Curious why you decoded to drop this read now when you made it sound like you were gonna hold powder for a min. What changed?

I saw enough that I didn't feel like waiting anymore.

What did you see?

I was also kind of tweaked on Luke a little bit because that frogster case was pretty reachy. But I also wasn't super sure if I'm being over critical of him because frog looks town here.

You answer this catboi?

[VP Baltar]

You misread because I wasn't the player who called out Ceph for fluff posting.

Isn't your 549 agreeing with cat?

[VP Baltar]

You misread because I wasn't the player who called out Ceph for fluff posting.

Isn't your 549 agreeing with cat?

Sorry, strange, not cat

[VP Baltar]

the town!VP I remember

I meant to ask last night, what game are you referring to? Outside of marathons, I can't remember the last time we played together.

@andante think you missed this

[VP Baltar]

how dare VP not remember we've played at least 1 normal together before... pshhh

Do you remember the game name? I'd like to look at it. Feel like it was maybe awhile ago? Like when I first came back in 2020 or so.

[VP Baltar]

VP please just be towny here or someone else be scummy plz. thanks!!

I am town! I think you're tunneled on something that isn't AI.

I'll do some skimming in PYP, thanks for finding it. (Though probs later, i have to start a long work day now. )

[VP Baltar]

Can somebody tell me whether this logic makes sense? Basically, I don’t think we should settle on telegraphing in advance what the Experts will do, but that’s my first instinct.

I think that is where the consensus maybe pooled around a little bit yes. There seem to be flaws in any plan that's set in one path, though I'll admit I didn't dedicate much brain power to thinking through that plan to stop defusing bombs after X nights.

[VP Baltar]

Frogster
Andante
Luke
Pooky
Andres
Are who I want to focus on this phase I think

Why andres?

[VP Baltar]

Fiiiiiiire! Hi

[VP Baltar]

ive been reading along with the thread and bad news is that i was scumreading lukewarm lmaoo

but good news is that i was wrong!!

Likely story!

[VP Baltar]

- lukewarm being confused by frog in 397 kinda feels fake, but who isn't confused by frog sometimes

Was loving Fire's analysis and then I read this.

Why did you comment on this?

[VP Baltar]

- 595 hmm bad vibes here from menalque

This is the only other spot where I was like 'huh?' on your analysis.

Why does that post give you bad vibes?

[VP Baltar]

my notes were made beforehand so they're not AI anyway

When did you start taking notes on the game?

[VP Baltar]

my notes were made beforehand so they're not AI anyway

When did you start taking notes on the game?

yesterday. i was hoping to replace in if a slot became available so i was playing along

Aight UNVOTE:

I can buy that and I kinda vibe with several of your reads.

VOTE: stranger

[VP Baltar]

We should actually unanimously save or kill. If we have a unanimous save and someone dies, we know a scim in experts.

That will be up to the experts though, right, since they'll be in PTs.

[VP Baltar]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

[VP Baltar]

If we put in the 8 towniest players today we will have slim pickings day 2 and 3

That's why I'm proposing we not fully do that

I proposed a 3-1 mix per bomb to box in potentially scummy people, but leave us some townreads for the next phase.

I probably should actually do some analysis later and make a suggestion on the 8 and their order

i think id rather do 4 townreads together and the other one can just be an arbitrary mix of folks who want it

Just to preserve more people for later?

[VP Baltar]

There is definitely scum in: Lukewarm, Cephrir and VP Baltar.

Go on

[VP Baltar]

it gave me vibes of him feeling like he needed to come up with a read that was supported by something at that time

I do try to give reasons for my votes yeah

do you disagree with the actual point I was making about Baltar? the only thing I saw you say about him was he seems "normalish"

Hi, did you ever look at that game you asked me to fetch for you?

[VP Baltar]

What I’m not fully understanding is the Lukewarm push, it doesn’t sit well with me since I’m not sure their slot is scum.

What don't you understand specifically about why people pushed Luke?

[VP Baltar]

bomb expert nominations:

Andante [8]: Menalque, The Praetorian, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cephrir, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet
Frogsterking [7]: Titus, VP Baltar, The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever, Morning Tweet, Greeting
Greeting [6]: catboi, Cephrir, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, fireisredsir, Cat Scratch Fever
The Praetorian [5]: The Bulge, Menalque, Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever
catboi [3]: VP Baltar, PookyTheMagicalBear, Cat Scratch Fever
Dwlee99 [3]: VP Baltar, Titus, Cephrir
Morning Tweet [2]: The Praetorian, Greeting
Titus [2]: The Praetorian, PookyTheMagicalBeara
Cephrir [2]: Titus, Frogsterking
StrangeMatter [2]: Frogsterking, Greeting
GuiltyLion [1]: The Praetorian

Looking at these, I would be ok with andante, frogster, greeting and catboi on the first bomb.

HEAL: andante
HEAL: greeting

[VP Baltar]

No I haven't yet lmao

Damn, just straight trolling my life.

[VP Baltar]

What I’m not fully understanding is the Lukewarm push, it doesn’t sit well with me since I’m not sure their slot is scum.

What don't you understand specifically about why people pushed Luke?

Sorry, I typed out what I was thinking before finishing thinking. It’s more I don’t like how much it felt like there was overwhelming support there is for the Lukewarm elim, rather than the thoughts behind the push. The thoughts I can understand but at the same time I don’t agree with the conclusions made, and still feel uncertain about if this slot actually flipping scum.

I mean, sure, D1 is kind of a guessing game. Do you feel like scum were pushing the Luke wagon?

[VP Baltar]

(579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein)

This is a dumb point where you are kind of talking out of your ass without knowing what you're saying.

Andres is someone I've played with a bit. It's absurd you find that post scummy.

[VP Baltar]

oh you're here

nice

VOTE: VPB

give me one reason you're town here

I haven't called you a moron yet. So, ya know, I'm trying!

[VP Baltar]

Good top

[VP Baltar]

oh you're here

nice

VOTE: VPB

give me one reason you're town here

I haven't called you a moron yet. So, ya know, I'm trying!

that's actually not town indicative for you tho lol

usually you've already annoyed me by now :<

Not really. My town strategy with you sometimes is to just ignore you because you'll death tunnel me for dumbass reasons and I don't have the energy for that rn.

[VP Baltar]

whats up with the low energy

Huh?

[VP Baltar]

you said you don't have the energy to fight me so im assuming theres a reason for it cuz usually you love fighting me

Oh. My work week is shite. All the people who do the same job as me took the whole week off for spring break, so I'm basically working 12 hour days for 5 days straight trying to fill the gaps. Tomorrow is friday at least!

[VP Baltar]

can more people please heal pooky!!! I want to solve a bomb with pooky!!!!

also, not a huge fan of being with 3 whole people that… I don’t tr like at all… like can I request like catboi in my group then if I can’t have pooky? cause I don’t think me + 3 non TRs ends well

How do you feel about the group I suggested of you, frogster, Greeting and catboi?

You want pooky, who would you sub out from that group?

[VP Baltar]

I could vote either VP or fire atp

VOTE: Morning Tweet

VP I promise I'll skim through that game at some point tonight for ya,

main thing I'm just trying to see is if the style of asking a bunch of questions and posting random largely meaningless observations

(579 another one that pinged me much in the same vein) is fully in line with your town game, seems fire (slash maybe a couple others IIRC?) is vouching for that but just want to check it myself

I largely agree with this observation. I was kind of surprised that VP is second top poster when I opened up the activity overview, because I don't really remember their posts or recall their stances.

Keep us updated on the metadive

This kind of looks like you just testing the waters of wagons that are semi-popular and saying your fine with either.

It's also pretty silly to be like "vp isn't memorable!" when your ability to remember things I've said and my positions is not my problem. Have better reading retention. I also don't know a thing you've done this game, but that's not an actual reason alone to scum read a person because I could say that about lots of players in a large game.

You may think my questions are pointless, but they aren't to me and how I'm feeling people out, which is all I care about.

[VP Baltar]

Also, CSF, are you townreading GL?

[VP Baltar]

frog greeting catboi is better than frog greeting mala, like, why can’t I just go to group 2? no one’s listening to my TRs, so they’re probably right, people are TRing my SRs… so idk how I feel about that… like, even if it’s just a scumlean I have… people are TRing without much reason… I’m good voting out fire yes, but we need to figure out bomb stuff before we do that

You can definitely go to group 2 if that's what we all think should happen, we would need to rearrange things though and lock the first 4 players in first.

I agree that we need to settle the experts before we lim though.

Why do you want fire dead?

[VP Baltar]

I'm not remotely sold on pooky being town yet.

I could be interested in this product and/or service. The fact he didn't rip my head off yet is weird? Maybe he has spent too much time in kinder, gentler alts recently that he forgot his bear claws

[VP Baltar]

FOUND IT VP!!!! Pick your poison

So I read your ISO in this game....we were not good at reading each other! You were scumreading me there for terrible reasons too, and I hadn't played with you before, so took your bad faith reading as scum motivation.

I think I understand you a little better since then and wouldn't get a scumread on you for those same foolish reasons.

I still don't see how that game was the basis for your scumread on me here tho, when you didn't really get my town game there either....

[VP Baltar]

Then stop saying the exact opposite of what I'm thinking

I think you're wrong on this one. What specifically are their opposite reads?

[VP Baltar]

and vp, i’m not saying it’s specifically that game, I’m saying your comment (i think 38) about “i’m just gonna ask stupid questions) got me heavily suspicious of you, and overall i don’t think you’re playing like town

Well you said I'm not playing my town meta, which you don't really have a track record of knowing and are continuing to not read correctly here for bad reasons, which is my overall point.....

[VP Baltar]

The hardest thing about reading Andante is she somehow both needs to use MORE and LESS punctuation.

[VP Baltar]

I don't feel like catboi is sassy. Sassiness is being slightly mean like poking fun into something. Catboi was being obviously rude, not just to me but to Pooky and VP Baltar. Unfortunately, I feel like this could potentially be alignment indicative. I've played with catboi a few times before and he was never like this. Which is why I will not be supporting him to be a bomb expert today.

I did notice this as well, but I kind of wondered how much his new avi has to do with perception of it.

I know it sounds crazy! But I feel like avis can have an unconscious bias influence on how snippy people think you're being. People legit call me scummy all the time in games as town, and I think part of it is my avatar.

All that being said, catboi did seem slightly aggressive in a few interactions, where it seemed a bit much. Could also just be having RL annoyances I guess, so overall, not sure I agree with him not being an expert. He does have a good grasp of the setup, and I think that's something we want to leverage if he's town.

[VP Baltar]

lol I keep getting distracted by all the talk about me.. ok VP, pick a person, we're sorting them, lets gooo

I actually want to do a reads list this afternoon if i have time to help me sort my head this game. There are a few points I've just skimmed to keep up, so I think making myself do a reads list will help me affirm or change how I'm feeling about a few people.

Strange and CSF don't strike me as particularly townie rn. I also want to read MT more since folks are talking about her a bit (though I have limited experience with her and some of the talk seems meta).

I kind of vibe with some of Fire's posts, so I'm less interested there than when luke was here.

Oh, and Guilty Lion receiving countermeta to his scum read on me and then not even looking at it, but still sticking with his scum read was kind of head scratching to me. But I'm kind of generally bugged on people giving shit reads on me and confbiasing, so I could be very wrong to be annoyed at that!

[VP Baltar]

I think I'm a little concerned about my Titus read, so if anyone is bored, I'd love to come back to thoughts on Titus!!!

What's your Titus read again?

My take on her play so far on instinct is its kind of nothing yet, which is maybe concerning, but I expect town Titus would get pretty engaged eventually in a game with heavy mechs and a fun playerlist.

[VP Baltar]

Also, CSF, are you townreading GL?

Tentatively

I like that he saw the same things in dwlee as I did. He could be scum parroting me, but I don't particularly think I'm important enough to pocket lol.

I'd like to see more from him.

Why do you ask about GL specifically?

Because you're basically regurgitating things he said, so not sure why you would do that unless you're town reading him.

As far as being memorable, again, that's not my problem? I post a lot because I hate walls and I like to have live interactions with people/document things in thread i might forget later. If you can't remember what I've said, read my iso. Your subjective ability to remember the game has nothing to do with my alignment.

[VP Baltar]

@strange and CSF, why have you nominated zero people for bomb experts?

[VP Baltar]

I just don’t have strong townreads,

Do you have strong scum reads then?

[VP Baltar]

While thinking about game strategy I encountered the same issue, like: what happens Night 2? And Cephrir was the only one who raised the issue. Or maybe someone else did as well and I didn't notice it before.

Eh, not really. I was alluding to preserving townreads in 225, though tbf, it was still a half baked idea there and more me thinking about how hard it will be to get 8 townreads today that people agree on.

[VP Baltar]

Good vibes from the 3 posts right before mine. they seem like real opinions

Can you explain this further? I actually find her exchange with me to be somewhat poor reasoning for a vote. How does that lead you to conclude its a "real opinion".

Could be honest however bad it is, but not something I'd be town reading someone over. Maybe you can help me understand

[VP Baltar]

While thinking about game strategy I encountered the same issue, like: what happens Night 2? And Cephrir was the only one who raised the issue. Or maybe someone else did as well and I didn't notice it before.

Eh, not really. I was alluding to preserving townreads in 225, though tbf, it was still a half baked idea there and more me thinking about how hard it will be to get 8 townreads today that people agree on.

what is the point of this post. you want to torpedo this townread but your reason is flimsy at best per your own admission

Not flimsy at all. It's a direct line between what you said and what I said much earlier. Was stating that I could see how greeting might miss it though because it wasn't the same exact language

[VP Baltar]

i could make some shit up that might sound nice

but that was pretty much the complete thought process that i actually had in real life

I'm not asking you to make shit up. I'm asking you to give me specifics for why you said the thing you said.

Step 1: ceph reading those three posts
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: ceph determines real opinions happening.


What happens in Step 2?

[VP Baltar]

"you can't townread cephrir for being the only one to think about this because i did too. but i didn't really since it was a half baked idea"

plz tell me what is wrong with my characterization or what the town motivation is

Lol, Greeting can certainly townread you for it. Just wasn't your idea. Credit where it's due.

Maybe you came to the conclusion independently, idk. Just saying you definitely weren't the first person to bring it up. I think greeting is more town than you, so I'd prefer they have all the information when making their decision on reads. That's my motivation.

[VP Baltar]

i could make some shit up that might sound nice

but that was pretty much the complete thought process that i actually had in real life

I'm not asking you to make shit up. I'm asking you to give me specifics for why you said the thing you said.

Step 1: ceph reading those three posts
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: ceph determines real opinions happening.


What happens in Step 2?

gut

Are you typically this difficult when you're town? I don't think I'm really asking hard questions here.

[VP Baltar]

sometimes

idk man ur asking me to invent something that never happened and im not planning to do it

Ok.

[VP Baltar]

i find the bolded to be a townie thought process

Except....it's not? She is claiming GL is repeating her thoughts, when in reality it was GL who said it first, as far as I'm aware.

So, yes, you certainly could make things up, and are. The reason I asked for an explanation was so I could understand where you are coming from and your motivations for saying the things you said.

The fact you're stating incorrect things as an exercise and they saying "actually, I do believe these things" isn't super assuring.


More importantly, I have no idea why you're getting so tilted and what is a pretty standard question in a game of mafia.

[VP Baltar]

*tilted at

[VP Baltar]

I'll take your word for it!

[VP Baltar]

Ok, going to try to sort folks now, though I didn't really get the time I wanted to do reading today. OH WELL.

These aren't necessarily in order other than the overall group orders.

TOWN LEAN:

catboi

- a bit prickly at times, but I like his takes most of the time here. I think his pressure on Luke was good.

Frogsterking

- saying stupid things that make no sense and wildly overconfident in his abilities, clearly town.

Dwlee99

- I kind of dig his aggressiveness, even if I'm sometimes meh on his reads. He was punching at Andante for example, even when that might have looked risky if you were scum.

fireisredsir

- Based solely on his game entrance and if I believe he as taking notes on luke and didn't Amish-tell all over himself, I find myself nodding along with fire and think he's being reasonable. Don't get the level of hate directed at him.

Andante

- Squeaking into my town reads, but want to keep an eye. She doesn't seem to have many scum reads, so that's not fantastic, but it's early game. Overall, I like her interactions with people, even me.

Greeting

- I can sort of buy catboi's argument that scum don't try to game break, even if they faceplant while doing it. Lot of mech talk here, but I'm happy to town bin Greeting for now.

Null/Who?/VP probably needs to do some ISOs!

Morning Tweet

- lots of folks taking here, so this is kind of a priority for me next time I have motivation to read. For some reason, my eyes have kind of glazed over when MT posts. Not sure if that's her content or just the way she writes.

PookyTheMagicalBear

- Has he been playing or just popping in to say meh things?

The Bulge

- Kind of like his hot take fight with catboi (think it was cat boi?), but hasn't done a lot that I remember rn.

Menalque

- Don't remember Mena doing much this game. People are town binning this slot for some reason I feel like I don't understand. Definitely need to read.

Andresvmb

- lol no clue why andres signs up for larges. Would love him to come in and town it up though.

Bell

- kind of like his aggressiveness in the sense that it feels like he's trying to push the game forward. But feels maybe a little lazy locked on Luke? Probably would town lean more than null here, but I should confirm my instincts with a reread to see if I at least see genuine arguments coming from Bell.

GuiltyLion

- I found his original vote on me to be slightly opportunistic and maybe drafting on perceived heat coming at me then from Andante. Need to see where else he is pushing and what else he is doing. I think his reason for keeping his vote on me is weak, but at least he is trying to come up with something?

Cephrir

- Not sure I know how to read Ceph. Obviously kind of floating through the game rn, which i don't care that much about. I found his little dust up with me kinda weird, but not sure if that's scummy or he just gets tilted easily in games.

Got to be some scum in here:

Cat Scratch Fever

- I REALLY don't like her trying to draft off GL onto me for some wild ass reasons like "I don't remember you". Open my ISO if you don't remember me. Her saying she is fine with fire or VP also seems opportunistic. Need to read if she is having serious conversations with fire trying to find his alignment, because I didn't don't think she was doing that with me at all.

Titus

- Want you to prove your towniness. You're too good to have said really nothing of substance by this point. Show me you don't belong in the basement!

Malakittens

- I actually kind of agree with Frogster's assessment here. I didn't see a lot of gusto out of koba when they were here. So congrats, kittens, you can be scum!

StrangeMatter

- Strange has had some

strange

takes. Her three reads list where she locktowned Andante, and then said she's fine voting out Frogster or Dwlee....who were fighting at the time....seems like she's just posting stuff to post stuff. I don't understand either of those positions. I'm also not sure I fully buy there being scum on the Luke wagon, which Strange said she believes in 868. Sounds like she is traveling maybe, so IDK, maybe some of the aloofness is distraction. But I eagerly await to hear who is/was scum on Luke and why?

[VP Baltar]

The observation about your playstyle this game was made by GL. That was the only thing I agreed with that could be construed as repeating things he said

That's what I was talking about. If you meant dwlee, then I must have misread. Thought you were saying you were pushing my play before GL

[VP Baltar]

I don't remember you ever not trying D1 titus

[VP Baltar]

Have wallpost read lists come back into fashion? Maybe I'll post one later

Yes! I have an idea based on Francis Galton's guessing experiment.

im sure that guy never had any bad ideas

Lol not once

[VP Baltar]

I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

I'm always judging

[VP Baltar]

Ceph, how often do you win as scum? Think you said this, but I don't remember

[VP Baltar]

Hi Baltar, are you scum?
You have to tell me If you are.

No, but I am a cop. Shit!

[VP Baltar]

Also cephrir continues to bleh, GL continues to be bleh, bulge is bleh, the fire guy is bleh.
Bleh bleh bleh.

Feel like we kind of agree on the game except fire. Setting luke aside, are there specific things about fire that bug you?

[VP Baltar]

I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

I'm always judging

Why is this your response to someone scumreading you for your readslist?

Because I think it is funny

[VP Baltar]

Me not remembering you is a sign that you haven't made any notable pushes, and you're here in the thread but not making waves. It's not that I haven't read your posts or parts of your ISO.

Do you think you are making waves? cause like, I have news for you....

[VP Baltar]

dude have you ever made a d1 readlist as town? i need a link

Yes. Can't link because I think it's an ongoing game

[VP Baltar]

EBWOP

Dwlee99 - I kind of dig their aggressiveness, even if I'm sometimes meh on their reads. They was punching at Andante for example, even when that might have looked risky if you were scum.

Apologies dwlee on my pronoun fail.

[VP Baltar]

I mean, even if we consider the fact that 225 was before Cephrir pointed out what I was talking about earlier, I agree with Cephrir that the way VP Baltar dropped 1112 was meant to question that townread I got. And possibly pocket me to townread him in Cephrir's place

Nah, I think that's a pretty bad faith reading. I'm a stickler for accuracy, probably because my job is in journalism. If people say things that are factually inaccurate and I see them, I tend to want to correct the record. As I stated in my reply to ceph, I townread you, so I think it's helpful if I try to work with you and to make sure you're getting accurate info. I don't really care if you townread him, that's your choice. It's just that what your perception of the order of things wasn't quite right.

[VP Baltar]

I feel bad that I scum read baltar for their effort post.
The reason I am compelled to scum read it, is because their reads, read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

I'm always judging

Why is this your response to someone scumreading you for your readslist?

Because I think it is funny

do you think it's a fair assessment of your post? like does it affect your read of Bell?

I don't think it's a fair assessment. I don't even particularly know what it means. But it was also Friday, and after putting like 30 mins into trying to sort generally where my feelings on the game were at, I wanted to go drink some beer and chill, not get into a back and forth with someone right then.

As far as how I feel about Bell, I don't know if it was a bad faith bit of shading or not. I guess I'll see what he does with it or if he wants to explain further.

[VP Baltar]

"you can't townread cephrir for being the only one to think about this because i did too. but i didn't really since it was a half baked idea"

plz tell me what is wrong with my characterization or what the town motivation is

Lol, Greeting can certainly townread you for it. Just wasn't your idea. Credit where it's due.

Maybe you came to the conclusion independently, idk. Just saying you definitely weren't the first person to bring it up. I think greeting is more town than you, so I'd prefer they have all the information when making their decision on reads. That's my motivation.

This is a perspective slip because of what's unsaid here.

from VPB!town's POV - he should be townreading cephrir for having the same thought process as he does - unless he wants to claim that Cephrir is just plagiarizing him 800 posts later or w/e but that's clearly not his intent as he didn't even state things in the way Cephrir did.

Instead he seems peeved that Cephrir is getting town-read for a post that he already made - the goal isn't actually because he thinks Cephrir is scum - he just wants his own town cred for "saying something similar" which is kind of ????

Like this game isn't about seeing who can score the most town!points for statements about game state - this game is about sorting between bad guys and good guys. VP's entire conversation with Cephrir isn't about sorting Cephrir - it's about saying oh it's unfair Ceph is getting credit for something that I already said sort of kind of - which is not a town mindset.

Addressed this already in reply to greeting. I think you're wrong that I should automatically be townreading cephrir for having the same thought as me....that's like D-tier level thinking.

As far as my motivation for stating it, I think it's a kind of bad faith reading to say I'm fishing for town points there, but I acknowledge I care way more about things being accurate first than maybe people in a mafia game need to worry about.

I would have said the same thing if it had been someone else's idea that cephrir was stating and greeting misattributed the source, had I noticed it.

[VP Baltar]

Me not remembering you is a sign that you haven't made any notable pushes, and you're here in the thread but not making waves. It's not that I haven't read your posts or parts of your ISO.

Do you think you are making waves? cause like, I have news for you....

Terrible deflection

Also you have more than twice as many posts as I have, so not at all relevant

Not really. My point is that your assessment is not only wrong, but hypocritical. I'm trying to get you to realize that your subjective experience of my play and your ability to remember it doesn't actually say anything about my alignment.

I can't remember a stance you actually took before you started this dumb fight, but does that mean you haven't taken stances? Probably not! It probably means I need to go do some reading.

Yes, I post more than you. So what? I'm also voting, trying to figure out what I think is best on the mechs, pushing people to talk to me about things I think actually could be AI, and generally being pretty transparent about my reads on situations. This is all pretty clear in my ISO, which you insinuate you have actually read, so your accusation of active lurking rings pretty hollow. There are definitely people you could point to in this game who ARE active lurking (Titus, kittens), but I don't expect you to acknowledge that because it kind of pops your balloon.

[VP Baltar]

cuz from what i remember of your d1 play when you get heat, you usually just tell everyone to fuck off and claim you are town and refuse to give a shit

here you're doing some real performative bendy twisty readlist that looks like you basically just pulled up isos one by one and wrote some shit out like some kid who hasn't done his homework and is busy trying to write it all out b4 the teacher shows up.

I do find it kind of funny that right after I point out you're not really a presence in this game and haven't even attacked me, which is highly unusual for town!pooky, you magically show up and try to play tough.

Hmm, ok ok, noted down, bear .

[VP Baltar]

ok but where are your hipshots

Pew pew

[VP Baltar]

you've been playing for 13 years and you can't link me a single game where you made a readlist on d1 as town?

p wild ngl

FUCKEN
DEAD

Oh hi. What are your reads?

[VP Baltar]

yea being nice cuz he's a scumbag

I can definitely be meaner. I don't think it's always very good for games when I am and I'm trying to be better about that generally.

Nothing this game has really gotten me tilted though either.

[VP Baltar]

I kind of want CSF/Andante/Catboi/Me for my bomb team

An aside:
Pooky Posse, Pooky personality cult, Pookybomb squad.
sigh. I shouldn't realy see anything into that, but it always triggers me a little when I see him do that, jut due to how many times they've done it as scum, even though I think they do it as town(?) too.

Huh? I'm not following what you're meaning here?

[VP Baltar]

Pooky's group proposals are kind of terrible, and I'm not sure why we would want pooky anywhere near a bomb....

[VP Baltar]

I'd prefer if I was in this group with Frogster and Greeting

Also a no.

[VP Baltar]

Considered posting 13 more times so this page is all me being awake at 5am talking to myself, but I have fully caught up from where I left off.

[VP Baltar]

read like characterizations first and sorting people second.

What does this mean though? At first I thought maybe I knew what you're saying, like I am giving personality traits or something...but I don't think I'm doing that and I'm not really sure what you actually mean

[VP Baltar]

I still dunno where the fire resistance is from, we’re 47 pages in. Time to kill somebody.

I would like to see you sell me on fire and not just luke. It feels kind of bad faith for us to lim him solely on some luke reactions you didn't like.

Fire's interactions this game don't look that scummy to me, so I'm having a hard time getting the tunnel on him. (Yes, I know you said this is a luke thing, I'm just saying!)

[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

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[VP Baltar]

Hi!

[VP Baltar]

Lol! Did you pull an allnighter for work?

No, I'm dumb and was like "what if I drink a lot on Friday night to relieve all my work stress!" And then I woke up at 430am with a headache because I'm actually old people now and shouldn't be doing those things.

[VP Baltar]

This vc is off. I can't put my finger on it.

The lim or the experts VC?

[VP Baltar]

No, you got it right you can disagree but I think the first half town part is more about characteristics than solve.

Ok. I suppose I can squint and see that because some of what I'm town binning people over is how aggressively they are playing. When I say that, what I mean is that they are being confrontational in spots where I think scum more often than not would seek appeasement or just not say anything. So I see town motivation in those characteristics, if that's how you want to describe it.

[VP Baltar]

…why are you bringing up fairness in an unfair world. It’s not something I’m going to engage you about. I don’t apply what is just or fair to games of mafia regarding player alignment. If a player miseliminated a bunch of players I do not think “it’s only fair they die now.” And thinking they must be scum for pushing town wagons a lot.

Well, I do think making good faith arguments against people is important. I often get accused of being scum when I'm town, and the bad faith arguments in my experience are more likely to come from or be trumpeted by scum (though never exclusively).

I also like fire generally speaking, so I'm biased there.

It's also just helpful for me in finding your alignment to see where you are coming from and if you're assessing all the info available or just vote camping.

[VP Baltar]

Sure I keep repeating that I want fire dead, but that’s not the only thing i’m doing and you saying it is, is pretty much a misrepresentation.

I'm not saying that's the only thing you're doing though?

[VP Baltar]

Ok. I don't think your vote on Luke was bad. I supported it for a reason. I'm just not sure I can be persuaded to lim fire on that alone. That's basically all I'm stating because I'm townvibing Fire's posts a bit.

[VP Baltar]

I think his reason for keeping his vote on me is weak, but at least he is trying to come up with something?

did you miss that I switched to MT a while back

maybe that might help with some of your qualms around me not reading your game yet either

Oh that's right you did switch. I was skimming during that section, but now that you mention it, I did see you voting MT

[VP Baltar]

I thought it was scummy to post a readslist and not want to talk about it, since that's the primary reason for posting one.

That's not accurate. Happy to talk about, but my primary reason for posting one was to help sort my own thoughts since I haven't felt a solid direction in this game yet. I believe I stated this.

[VP Baltar]

There's Strange who is kind of just always LHF, because he struggles with expressing himself. Idk if you've played with him before and I won't hold this point against you if you haven't, but this scumread doesn't sway my opinion of you

I have not played with strange before. Do they get mislimmed a lot D1?

[VP Baltar]

There's Titus, who I think was sick or something, and confidently asserted that she sometimes takes a backseat day 1. Why would she lie about something that can be so easily fact checked?

I've played with Titus a few times, and there is a difference between laying back/mostly sheeping D1, and just not doing anything.

Titus is very smart and I feel like I can get stuff going with her if she is town, so I'm not being unfair to her in the slightest to say I don't find it townie to just not play D1. I don't think she even seems to disagree with that.

[VP Baltar]

vp do you think you'd try to pocket me if you were scum here

be honest

I don't think I'm even good at pocketing, and I'm not sure if I'd have a lot to gain by trying to pocket someone D1, let alone someone who might get limmed.

The times I see scum pocket more successfully, it is D2 or later and they save someone who is in trouble. FlavorLeaf did that to me pretty successfully in a game awhile back.

[VP Baltar]

Koba is what I call a cutt throat. They are motivated to win and enjoy winning.
But they came in here as an alt so I don’t know what they were going for in this game, I also never learned if they stress more as scum or if they left this game specifically because of their alignment plist or something else.

If it had been Koba, No alt. I would’ve been scum reading them this game.

I'm not sure what the alt changes, but yeah koba is vicious as town D1, and I definitely didn't feel that here. Even when they were calling me scum, it seemed half hearted

[VP Baltar]

Are you townreading enchant or the Bulge's play?

[VP Baltar]

I don't see how anyone can divine enchants alignment from what they posted yet. This is definitely a spicy take!

[VP Baltar]

I had 20 Enchant mentions on this page.

You called?

Blow them all up enchant!

[VP Baltar]

Clarification question: the people in the squad when the bomb blows up, is the person in the advise squad get outted as the player who gave the bad info automatically or is it the case that “x, y, z, p” one or more of them fucked up have fun figuring that out.”

Doesn't the bomb blow up as soon as someone fucks up? That would be an indicator, assuming the info is given to the expert one piece at a time and not all at once.

[VP Baltar]

Clarification question: the people in the squad when the bomb blows up, is the person in the advise squad get outted as the player who gave the bad info automatically or is it the case that “x, y, z, p” one or more of them fucked up have fun figuring that out.”

Doesn't the bomb blow up as soon as someone fucks up? That would be an indicator, assuming the info is given to the expert one piece at a time and not all at once.

Did you play Avalon?

No, what's that?

[VP Baltar]

Yes that would be an indicator if that’s how it works baltar. I didn’t think it would work that way though.

Oh maybe I'm wrong. I just assumed. I haven't played the real game before

[VP Baltar]

I went back read rules and still can’t determine whether the player that specifically gave the wrong advice gets outted or not.
I don’t want enchant’s ambiguity in the teams if it’s the latter, they’re simply too easy to miselim.

mod, can you clarify? Does the bomb explode as soon as someone gives incorrect information?

[VP Baltar]

okay, I like GL, Titus, frog, CSF, bell for town

I'd vote anywhere in (fire, MT!slot, andres) with a slight preference to the first two

***

I would like to reiterate that I would like to be a bomb expert

Ooo, some spicy stuff in here. I have like 10 pages to catch up on this afternoon, but csf, Titus and andres reads have me interested

[VP Baltar]

put in some combo of csf, dwlee, me, strange and gl

Why strange?

[VP Baltar]

before someone asks no im not super scumreading titus or malakittens - but i don't rly understand why they have heals because fmpov they are empty slots

I agree with this, I was kind of looking at the heals pool this morning, and there is some confusing shit in there

[VP Baltar]

Mostly in the low to mid tiers

[VP Baltar]

okay, I like GL, Titus, frog, CSF, bell for town

I'd vote anywhere in (fire, MT!slot, andres) with a slight preference to the first two

***

I would like to reiterate that I would like to be a bomb expert

Ooo, some spicy stuff in here. I have like 10 pages to catch up on this afternoon, but csf, Titus and andres reads have me interested

i feel like it is actually anti-spicy

like none of these seem out of the ordinary at all to me

i would describe it as mayonnaise levels of spice

Town reading Titus is a little wtf to me. I think CSF is somewhat meh too, but maybe there is stuff in those pages I haven't seen. You just mad cause you're getting scum read?

[VP Baltar]

I just did a run through of strange matter’s iso.
I don’t really know what to say there except they’re different compared to the last game I played with them.

Join this wagon with me. It is good and just

[VP Baltar]

Feel like I've seen a lot of strangematter griping, and yet I'm the only person voting there. Sus!

[VP Baltar]

StrangeMatter [4]: Frogsterking, Greeting, Enchant, Andresvmb

And then there is this in the expert pool, which is wild

[VP Baltar]

Fuck no. The only reason I'm not yelling at people to murder fire is because Andre needs to finish their catch up.
I'm not moving.
Forsooth.

Doth it

[VP Baltar]

Hey VP were you pressuring Ceph just for show? You called him out on his shit and now you're pushing this random mislim target instead of sorting andres.

I haven't read the andres catchup yet. I plan to today and I'll weigh in then. (It's currently like 65 degrees and sunny here, so you'll have to wait!)

Ceph pressure was not for show and I don't know what that means? I think ceph is playing off any pressure with an 'I don't care' attitude, which is hard for me to sort at this early point in the game.

And I'm not pushing a random miselim target. I'm pointing out a trend I'm seeing where people kind of shade strange, but then there are no votes going that way at all, which is strange.

[VP Baltar]

Fuck no. The only reason I'm not yelling at people to murder fire is because Andre needs to finish their catch up.
I'm not moving.
Forsooth.

Yeah what the hell, I'm really feeling a fire + ceph + vp right team right now. VP is openly deflecting the lim off of fire and VP's push on Ceph (which Ceph was so quick to mention) looks like a warm cup of buttermilk pudding.

Jfc. You know, I would actually work with you if you'd tinfoil less.

[VP Baltar]

Fuck no. The only reason I'm not yelling at people to murder fire is because Andre needs to finish their catch up.
I'm not moving.
Forsooth.

Yeah what the hell, I'm really feeling a fire + ceph + vp right team right now. VP is openly deflecting the lim off of fire and VP's push on Ceph (which Ceph was so quick to mention) looks like a warm cup of buttermilk pudding.

Jfc. You know, I would actually work with you if you'd tinfoil less.

What do you mean by this?

Like, stop trying to hero solve in D1 when we have no information. Stop acting like you have some divine tone read on me when we have played only a few games together and you don't have a demonstrated record of reading me well. Stop spinning off in a million directions ever 10 pages.

I think you're town for sure and if town can bloc up well, this game is much easier. We only need to find one scum today. That's hard enough, and doubly so when we also need to plan for the experts pool that scum are probably trying to manipulate too.

[VP Baltar]

HEAL: Frogsterking
HEAL: catboi
HEAL: Greeting
HEAL: StrangeMatter
HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Titus
HEAL: Dwlee99
HEAL: fireisredsir

I'm so far behind and catching up but lol wtf is this

[VP Baltar]

I’ve only read like the first 20 pages or so.

Especially when the next post is this?

[VP Baltar]

148 - Interestingly enough, I really don’t like this response from VPB. What does it matter when was the last time you rolled Scum? Like why do you feel self-conscious enough that you decide to actively state when you last rolled Scum? It’s irrelevant to your chances of being Scum in this game. The reflex to answer in this way feels like a bad sign.

Are you actually reading the game though? Frog stated I haven't been scum in awhile, and I pointed out that's not accurate. How the fuck do you walk away from that and say I'm being self-conscious?

[VP Baltar]

169 - I like this read from Frogsterking. At this point, I think I judged the slot too early, because I very much vibe with their take on VPB.

This does not look great for andres because he has actually played with me many times and always as town. Citing tone and hiding behind Frogster's read is no good.

[VP Baltar]

148 - Interestingly enough, I really don’t like this response from VPB. What does it matter when was the last time you rolled Scum? Like why do you feel self-conscious enough that you decide to actively state when you last rolled Scum? It’s irrelevant to your chances of being Scum in this game. The reflex to answer in this way feels like a bad sign.

wasn't he directly asked? why is it bad that he answered the question

See, like y'all keep telling me to hate fire and he keeps saying logical, accurate things.

[VP Baltar]

I don’t need to read every word to have a sense for some players in the early part. And Healing doesn’t close the thread or shorten the day as far as I can tell, so doing it doesn’t have any impact until the day has ended. So I can update those no problem, and if a majority is reached without my vote, and I want to have some influence. It’s like if you’re going to criticize this about me, did you criticize Pooky when they put Heal votes down in the early part of the game (and very many at that)? Otherwise, you’re basically saying that you prefer to have less information from me, not more, and that seems kind of silly.

Yeah, but the heals tell us nothing actually because you say you've only read 20 pages at that point? So like, there is no relevance to the current game state. If you are scum, could just be a lowkey way to get some heals on a buddy by also healing some consensus town reads. I don't understand the motivation at that point to heal if you feel like you're behind. Wouldn't you want to get in the flow of the game a bit and then drop heals you feel more confident on?

[VP Baltar]

You didn't plop down a vote. Why didn't you vote someone?

You fault me for putting Heal votes down without reading everything (which if I’m being realistic, the odds that I get 8 Town and no Scum even if I read every word D1 are not great), but you want me to place my single elimination vote already? Why?

My strongest SR from the early going was VPB. I’m not ready to vote there until I have actually at least read the entirety of what’s been posted so far so I can be surer there aren’t Scummier slots.

Good question from Bell, a sad reply from andres.

The logic of healing becuase you can always change it applies to voting too. Except there is the additional scum cover motivation I noted above, so....

[VP Baltar]

I hate posting readslists, but right now I feel like Bell has gone down on what I have seen so far, you've gone down for sure and I'm not at all sure how people are assuming you're even town.

This is somewhat of a beetlejuice and hating on Bell and Frog, which I don't really agree with. Still comfortable with my vote at this point in my catch up.

[VP Baltar]

oof the beetlejuice. were you lurking Strange?

CSF, ok ok, I see you.

[VP Baltar]

I think fire + andres are lockscum.

Can you explain to me how you're linking these two? Like you keep saying it, and I don't understand how you're connecting them.

[VP Baltar]

okay, I like GL, Titus, frog, CSF, bell for town

Can you explain the Titus townread for me please? I don't understand it when there is almost nothing to judge upon.

[VP Baltar]

I'd vote anywhere in (fire, MT!slot, andres) with a slight preference to the first two

Also retract my spiciness quote on this before. I agree with Fire now that these are pretty easy/popular scum reads coming off of Frogster going HAMbone for like six pages.

[VP Baltar]

i actually kinda think vp might be town.

he's not playing a win-friends game

This will get me mislimmed like D3 or 4. I really can't help myself!

[VP Baltar]

Hmm I think scum might be healing me

At first this struck me as townie, then I remembered that Titus is the queen of wifoming. lol

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I'm caught up!

Basic feelings on that catch up is the fire wagon feels lazy/possibly got some scum pushing it/hopping on. Bell I kind of think is confbiased town. Don't love that this is kind of just chugging along. I don't think fire's readslist is bad, and the complaint over formatting is What's the scum motivation for formatting it in a way you don't like?

Other things: I kinda liked a few points from CSF on andres, so maybe I'm wrong on her. I hated pretty much all of andres' catch up. Alot of it was kind of pointless. The heals are weird. And it seems like he is puffing up Frogster tinfoil until frog wraps him in the shiney.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: andres

Don't think strange really looks better, but an andres wagon might actually happen today and I'd prefer that over fire.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, I'm caught up!

Basic feelings on that catch up is the fire wagon feels lazy/possibly got some scum pushing it/hopping on.

Bell I kind of think is confbiased town. Don't love that this is kind of just chugging along. I don't think fire's readslist is bad, and the complaint over formatting is What's the scum motivation for formatting it in a way you don't like?

Other things: I kinda liked a few points from CSF on andres, so maybe I'm wrong on her. I hated pretty much all of andres' catch up. Alot of it was kind of pointless. The heals are weird. And it seems like he is puffing up Frogster tinfoil until frog wraps him in the shiney.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: andres

Don't think strange really looks better, but an andres wagon might actually happen today and I'd prefer that over fire.

what makes you think that? any specific votes?

as long as the theatre involves ignoring frog and not engaging with him anymore bc he is trying to hero solve day 1 and it is clearly warping his perspective and making him useless

this post is bad

VOTE: fire