Grandest Idea Mafia [Endgame]

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Hola! ¿Cómo estás?
VOTE: Scorpio

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1. What is your favorite color?
2. What is your favorite flavor of ice cream?
3. What is your favorite negative utility modifier?
4. If this game somehow turned out to be a Normal game, how would you feel?

1) 绿色
2) Lemon
3) I need a list for that.
4) 八 out of 十

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i got 2 3p cards( u can see the alien one lol) and 1 town and i took town alignment one

everyone else claims theirs after me too or die

不. This is a bad idea.
~Ircher

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found another scum

Pray tell 我, what purpose does claiming the alignment cards serve? 它 serves none as 它 cannot be verified.
~Ircher

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Can someone explain why we're having legit SRs on people over their discards? like, who cares? Maf would be aware what they discard shows, so they'd intentionally try and look good, maybe discard could mean something later, but so far it's been 100 posts of "how dare people discard the IC!!!" like, do you want your ability in GRAND IDEA to only be IC?? lol no

它 is simple probability theory. If 你 discard a scum role, 你 are less likely to be scum.
~Ircher

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Also, 我 have a tentative scum read on TemporalLich for asking RQS questions. Those come from scum more often than town.

pedit: Consider 它 this way. Suppose 你 drew 二个 town cards and 一个 alien card. Then, if 你 choose 你的 alignment at random, 你 have a 67% chance of being town. Now suppose 你 discard the alien card. 你的 chances of being scum just went from 33% to 0%!
~Ircher

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嗨 morning o/

-nor

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role card claims seem pretty 没用 (useless) right off the bat. hi dk my lovely hydra buddy ircher is the towniest towny ever, you're just jealous you aren't as towny smh

-noraa

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also seems role fishy. 非常有嫌疑 (very suspicious~~~~)
like it is not a good idea to ask what other alignments they got because it also says something about the roles they got. none of this should be discussed at all until literally like massclaim time.

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嗨 morning o/

-nor

ngl kinda jealous

you didn't say hi to 我 and i ahvent even complained yet >:[

also seems role fishy. 非常有嫌疑 (very suspicious~~~~)
like it is not a good idea to ask what other alignments they got because it also says something about the roles they got. none of this should be discussed at all until literally like massclaim time.

with a pool of like 1000 roles per alignement, i think we're gonne be fine with that right ?

closing fakeclaim options seems better to me

ok fine like thats valid. i didnt think about that. i can explain why i thought what i did but then it would actually say something about our role, so uh lmao take that as you will.

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tsk tsk pooky. 我对你非常失望

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你 see any rules about cryptography?

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shrug a language isnt cryptography or at least we are allowed to use it. idk anything else. 那样(nya~)

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sigh korina out here bursting our fake posting restriction bubble

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i think the discard pile is a stupid thing t judge. i'll try my argument one last time and then some poor townies gonna get flashwagoned but at least i can say i tried
like bro.
the rules say that you literally COULD not get the alignment you wanted so what in the world does the discard pile even mean. like you could be like
role: vig day vig
alignment: town doctor
and end up being scum.
or you could have chosen two scum roles and end up being town

what does role discard/role cards even mean then. like andante discarded an ic, great do you all want to out a strong pr on day 1.
like i just dont get it because the discard pile does not say anything on day 1. why are we even looking at it so closely right now. like who knows if it will ever be useful but right now, it is definitely not useful. also i struggle to believe most of these role card alignment claims so i also think thats kinda dumb

like the issue is that i think there is potentially a way to make use of this info in the future, but right now? its an entire waste of time and waste of information that helps no one but evil factions.

like do you think discussing these discard piles and making people with "suspicious discards who might potentially be prs" claim is going to help scum or help town

/rant because i am very grumpy right now after sleeping like 4 hours and having to go to school.
right now is like noraa on fire angry not really at the game but um good rant environment also i dont want to go to school ugh ok rant over byw

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believe most of these role card alignment claims

in the sense that literally everyone who is scum who didnt want to be scum, likely got three non-town roles and is claiming
[non-town] town and town

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[non-town] town and town

which may or may not be what we got ummmmmm nope defintely not
but the chances of so many people being town and getting that rand is sus.

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lolol emotion calculus is non town caught for what they think are "wrong reasons"

you've never caught me before and you never will

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Scum me has no reason to stop these claims. I could just claim town town alien and call it a day but no lets do this instead

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Honestly, the Japanese isn't that bad. I was able to just ignore the Japanese characters (aside from the numbers, which were pretty obvious anyway) and the posts are still plenty readable.

它 is not Japanese, it is 汉字. Japanese shares some characters, but Japanese also has a lot more "curvy" characters.

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我 will offer actual thoughts in a few hours.
~Ircher

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i never said that. alignmnet is not random but what the rules say is that you could ask to be town and not get it because of numbers.

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Honestly, the Japanese isn't that bad. I was able to just ignore the Japanese characters (aside from the numbers, which were pretty obvious anyway) and the posts are still plenty readable.

它 is not Japanese, it is 汉字. Japanese shares some characters, but Japanese also has a lot more "curvy" characters.

chinese and japanese overlap. kanji characters are like half of the japanese alphabet

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It's not terribly likely we dont have at least 4 town

i mean that wasnt my point. my point was just that because alignment can be switched by the mod, claiming card alignments doesnt do much.

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Why would you CHOOSE Miller?

Yes, this is a 好 question.

Stupid question.

我 will treat your evasiveness as incriminating.

well TLich & Ircher have like 1000+ posts each so they're the resident experts

我 have a list of most of the roles from 我的 ISO as one of 我的 wiki subpages. 你 should be able to find it easily enough.

with a pool of like 1000 roles per alignement, i think we're gonne be fine with that right ?

closing fakeclaim options seems better to me

It really doesn't do that though unless 人们 claim esoteric factions. Some prudence in searching should make it quite easy to circumvent. Hence, it is a pointless thing to do.

Claiming mafia mafia town cancels much of the credibility that a mafia discard gives, and although there might be some truth in it, i think it's much more likely that roden got 3 scum and therefore has to bullshit his alignement card, feeling the need to justify himself while doing that

Nope, nope, nope. This is all 不对. What prevents scum Roden from claiming town mafia town instead? A guilty conscience? Ignorance? No! The only correct answer is that Roden true claimed 他们的 card alignments as there is no reason for scum Roden to lie.

andante feels like defensive town to me, the confusion on greatest idea mechanics seems real to me

我 do not agree with 你的 conclusion. Andante has played Grand Idea before. 他们 should have enough experience to not be confused by the mechanics, not to the point where 他们 try to work it out in-thread.

I think nm randed mafia but its grand idea so they get a pass d1

Lol, 不. No arbitrary passes allowed.

manifestly in scum mindset, I can see the thoughtstreams and they scream "scum"

Oh yes, 你 saw a single thought stream from Noraa and decided that since 你 did not agree with it, it must have come from scum.

my takeaway from 201 is that emotion calculus is in a scum mindset

你的 takeaway is bad considering 你 should be directing all mechanical inquiries towards 我.

If this is at me, I will state that I almost always ignore posting gimmicks if it makes posts annoying to read. As a result I have skipped about 90% of emotional calculus' posts because fuck that.

Then 你 are missing out significantly. Besides, it's not like 我们 are writing

everything

in 汉字. 你 can figure a lot out from context clues. Noraa was even nice enough to provide some of the meanings in parentheses.

Enchant I have as not mafia because of how they came into the game with the role claim and how they responded to individuals that were questioning them. Sort of the "f you" attitude that would come from an individual who doesn't care about how the game views them.

It felt more like Enchant didn't want to provide self-incriminating information. 我 found the answer to Radical's question very dissatisfactory.
~Ircher

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would you like a complimentary cookie with your scumread? i own noraa's bakery with sircakez.

-noraa

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Pooky uou're so SKUMMY
nm's read rate on me has fallen flat on it's face. unfortunante stuff

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pooky ur the scummiest
absoltue scumbuut

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Pooky uou're so SKUMMY
nm's read rate on me has fallen flat on it's face. unfortunante stuff

Sure thing chicken wing

says a pink cow

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oh gods nora's pulling the same thing.

i dont feel like reacting to this or obvtowning today. exam declined.

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oh gods nora's pulling the same thing.

i dont feel like reacting to this or obvtowning today. exam declined.

Funny thing is, you know you don't have to with me.
I'll read you with or without obvtowning.

except you've read me wrong multiple times. i made an effort to react to your post last time town you and me met up because of that. but i dont feel like doing that here and it doesn't make me scum.

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I have an arcane mind

my thought streams can look strange to others

I am POWDER~
Arcane is kind of addicting. i slightly regret starting to watch it

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its funny. ircher pms me like noraa lets hydra this game.
the very first thing i said was ummmmmm that plist would shit on me or something like that
and irchers like NAHHHH ITS OK
lmao that aged so hot

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What's your conclusion from it?

我 think it's pretty obvious considering 我的 disagreement.

You know that can apply to me as well.l It can apply to anyone in fact.

Sure, this is true to an extent. However, it is more true for some people than it is for others, so 你 should not discount it completely.

kinda weird noraa hasn't pulled out her bop gun on me

really my only mind update now is that Roden has the town of mindset

Why do you think so?

307 feels genuine to me

我 don't think genuineness comes solely from town, especially not based on the anecdote of 一个 post.

It's not some fake contrived post designed to get my attention and make me low hanging fruit

Ummm okay?! Why are 你 so concerned about someone potentially reading 你 as low-hanging fruit? 我 still think forming a read off a single post is not a good idea.

radical rat's ISO is a nothing burger and they discarded a card that would be absolutely terrible for town but still town-aligned

What are 你 concluding from this? 我 know at least one person brought this up before. (Maybe it was 你.) It feels 你 are giving a two-sided argument here, but without the conclusion, there is no analysis of 你的 own alignment that can be done.

1. some non-RVS reads or at least some thoughts on people's posts - currently all of RR's posts are NAI

Is this a reasonable expectation? It has barely been 二个日. At 十五 pages and a 30-40% noise ratio, there's not that much to comment on.

3. I never said Radical Rat's discard was scummy, if anything I think Radical Rat's discard is null or nulltown (seriously, Death Miller sucks for Town)

Generally, people do not make comments like 三百六十五 if 她们的 conclusion is basically hard null. Such posts generally have some kind of purpose for being made.

also, 365 is in response to Radical Rat suddenly getting two naked votes

If 你 have no read there, why do 你 feel the need to respond to a wagon forming on them? Wouldn't it be better to stay quiet and see where the wagon ends up?

And then Ircher brought up that Andante's played Grand Idea before, and as such shouldn't have been confused. This feels incredibly in bad faith, because the discard mechanic doesn't exist in regular Grand Idea, and that was the sole point of confusion.

In 我的 mind, if 你 can understand Grand Idea, then adding on the discard mechanic is not that much harder. Perhaps 我 am wrong about that, but that's 我的 stance.
~Ircher

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The tonal whiplash of "it's ok you did great" to "you're bad at reading me" is what pings me here

flea has a pretty bad track record of reading me. i can think that and also love faer.

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VOTE: Calculus

let's fucking gooooooo

-noraa

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mine

the way i sniped calculus scum first >>> dont forget it

the way your reads are bad. ok i wont forget it

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You realise me and nora do this in almost every game, when we're able to work together we sync and support each other.
Until then, we both go for the jugular because we can't read each other at all.
There's also the issue of my brain seeing the gylphs and going "nope." so I literally can't read their posts because brain says no.

Honestly the current tell on us is if we work together without any friction lol.

Aside from that, whats the beef with the flea?

well put

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Calculus kinda blatantly tip toeing around the scum reads that get sent their way.

no.

period.

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Noraa's confusion about the alignments though

there was no confusion. alignment shifting is IN THE RULES. did you not read them or something

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goddamn. im never joining a game if i look at the plist and my brain just screams fuck no again. never again. absolutely never again.
i dont care who is hydraing me. it's never happenign again. never again. ever

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Also I'm pretty sure the last time pooky did this whole krew thing and was scum.

Pooky probably is scum.
~Ircher

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im so annoyed rn. whatever. im going to take a nap BYE

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Calculus kinda blatantly tip toeing around the scum reads that get sent their way.

What is this supposed to mean? Are 你 expecting 我们 to engage with every random scum read thrown 我们的 way especially when they are of the quality of Not_Mafia's 二百八十五 or DkKoba's 五十? 我们 address reads that have substance behind them. 你的 accusation is false anyway. 我 addressed TemporalLich's read in 我的 二百三十九, and Noraa has been addressing reads on 我们的 slot as well.

Like I don't understand how we can have a 15 player anything goes Grand Idea Mafia game yet barely have any real pushes happen.

It's because Grand Idea doesn't attract super serious play.

Instead town reads are getting handed out like candy

Yes, and 我 would be wary of this.

few scum reads we do have aren't gaining much traction.

This is blatantly false, and 你 know as much considering 你 commented on 我们 in the exact same post.

but neither of Ircher or Nora seem like the kind of players to normally do that.

[Citation needed.]

but Control (a game where they were a hydra together) just ended and Nora was being very supportive to Flea there.

This is a poor argument because in a hydra, 你 know the alignment of 你的 hydra partners unlike when 你 are just town.

The confusion was that you seemed to think it would happen arbitrarily

There's no evidence to the contrary. 我 do not see how this is an unreasonable assumption.
~Ircher

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我 can't help but think that town Pooky would have made a post of substance by now.
~Ircher

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VOTE: TemporalLich

我 don't like 他的 thought spews.

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TL/Toog/Morning Tweet
is my current pool of non-towns.

pooky's suspicion on me is either
1) fake
2) a reaction test
or pooky is scum.

im going to a musical so uh bye for a bit. i thought i had like 7 votes for some reason but i think i only have 4 so im not worried anymore. byeeee

-noraa

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我们 have covered what 我们 will say on that matter.
~Ircher

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You know, 我 wasn't sure at first, but 你 just convinced me that 你 are in fact scum, Tweetie.

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yeah because it makes sense that we are voting ourselves ok.

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we are at e-2

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TL/Toog/Morning Tweet

I'll explain these since I'm feeling SOMEWHAT patient. not very patient but enough to try to not be a day 1 mislim

TL. I can't eexplain this one much. It's mostly a meta thing except I dont believe TL has ever played with me on my main but they have played with an alt of mine multiple times. The thing with his meta is that his reads are fairly accurate and i've never seen him run in and tunnel someone. Actually, I might want to double check that but I get the impression that he works off of pools of suspects.

Morning just feels kind of weird. I feel like I typically feel like she is scummy but in a different way. The only factor that might influence this would be pooky's prescence.

Toog's floatiness and lack of read on us is bad. they should have more paranoia given they were the only one screaming from the dead thread that i was scum in my last town game with them.


ALSO. Important note. I am trying out ze/zir pronouns. please use. thanks!

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pfffft

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everyone who was town on our wagon, you're going to regret this lmao

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haha no. we're not vengeful. far worse. you'll see lol

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you'd be happier to see us flip town vengeful than what we are about to flip lmao

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you're so bad if you're town lmao.

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btw megs reason to join the wagon was trash

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Is it a stronger Vengeful or just a PR?

the mod will tell you soon why ask me?

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if i were anything but town, i wouldnt even be talking rn ftr.

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Here I thought E-2 was safe

oh no you did not lmao.

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btw megs reason to join the wagon was trash

You dealt with your wagon very poorly if you indeed flip town.

oh shut it. flashlimming without a claim in a game with nm where the flashhammer wasnt even nm? Shame.

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i hoep town loses for this

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lmao if this explodes the whole wagon then they are probably mafia who took the ability for an easy win

the tone of this post says that you dont beleive this

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what would it matter if i were mafia that explodes? you would all be dead and trying to think about what i was thinking does town no good whatsoever

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and what does calling me mafia in twilight do? DK has your scum game rotted away in the time i havent seen you

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and pooky. smh you didnt even defend us. i sure hope you are town. otherwise this town deserves to lose for this.

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we were a sane cop. i was thinking hmm maybe i shouldnt claim in case mafia can steal roles or some shit but this role would be useless to them anyways

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my reads are probably shit as they always are in scummy ass plists like this one. but oh well.

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having fun losing town

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and if you are town and about to say man i dont beleive the claim
you fucking tell me why me as scum wolf whatever the fuck am giving you an opportunity to look towny by sussing out my claim.

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anyways. noraa out.

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dk your scum game is kind of bad now lmao

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and the people most spewed unaligned

LMAO are you scum claiming. unaligned means ur not town lmao

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who am i scum with?

oh you're proibably scum alone lmao.

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would be hilarious if this flipped serial killer and nora is just salty they lost and are just taking out frustration on their way out by trolling

pfft. i have never died day 1 as an evil faction before and a plist this scummy could never catch me day 1

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would be hilarious if this flipped serial killer and nora is just salty they lost and are just taking out frustration on their way out by trolling

less far fetched than this flipping town tbh

convenient timing to post huh

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PFFT dk if ur scum stop thinking about elimmint pooky. ur gonna get urself killed and you're empty pt will be sad

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oh my god. these theories are literally delusional. out frs this is dumb

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massively misplayed and made it incredibly difficult to find them as town by refusing to solve

lol

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pooky is much more accurate than you in reading me and even he has not pushed me as a scumread here.

and pooky has never defended town me even though he knows im town. who cares what he's doing?

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can you out who your townreads are, since I really dont trust your scumreads atp that much as they tend to be OMGUS based in the early game

this whole plist is too scummy to have townreads.

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your scum game has degraded

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LMFAO

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can you out who your townreads are, since I really dont trust your scumreads atp that much as they tend to be OMGUS based in the early game

this whole plist is too scummy to have townreads.

And you still wonder why you were elimmed day 1

im always elimmed day 1 in plists like this. which is why i've avoided them for the past few months.

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I mean several people asked you to out your thought process and you did .. most of your towntelling after you got hammered lol

yeah sure sure. you just sussed out my claim and now it's towntelling because im literally hammered and have and had no reason to troll everyone as a day 1 elim.

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You shouldn't be concerned with discrediting people finding eachother as town, for future reference, esp in setups like this. Just let people vibe and theres always time to reeval later. it looks major scumfucky when you try to tell people their townreads are wrong on the basis you couldnt find them as town yet.

lmao. yeah so im supposed to just watch this town destruct and then run in and expect to not be flashwagoned like i have been in every plist like this one when im town.
like im sorry but that doesnt make sense and im just avoiding plists like this one from here on out.

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oh so town just loses on night 1 then :0

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nah. see you in the dead thread dk

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you'll probs be a cross shot if you are scum.

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We were an expert cop, so good luck town. You're going to need it.

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no thats not it lol

either nora/ircher massively misplayed and made it incredibly difficult to find them as town by refusing to solve and focus on self defense or we limmed scum who is in fact team


if nora/ircher flip scum they 100% have scum buds, remember that

OR you have no ability to read either of us. This comment is very infuriating.
~Ircher

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Hey NM, quickhammer go?

Kill this next.
~Ircher

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and yeah this day seems to be stalling out

Stalling out? It's barely started.
~Ircher

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btw megs reason to join the wagon was trash

You dealt with your wagon very poorly if you indeed flip town.

What was there to deal with? I addressed the people with actual takes. People like Lich, Koba, and Gypyx I ignored because their read boiled down to "I don't like how you play", and thus, there is nothing to address.
~Ircher

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sane cop isn't even that strong of a role because mafia isn't confirmed to exist. Innos are basically useless and guiltless are super rare

Unfortunate to lose town if it's true but not the worst thing unless mafia happen to be numerous

No, we would learn the exact alignment.
~Ircher

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dk your scum game is kind of bad now lmao

I agree. Koba is scum. I expect better from town Koba.
~Ircher

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or maybe im town who literally cares more about gamesolving than worrying about being shot?

You aren't solving.
~Ircher

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can you out who your townreads are

Meg maybe.

Flea is town.

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Anyone else on wagon is scum.
~Ircher

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oh right we are an expert cop. sane cop was the role we picked.
i hope town loses~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~