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Post Post #4834 (isolation #600) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:16 pm

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I might try to compile everyone's pools and determine who should definitively get left out
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Post Post #4857 (isolation #601) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:45 pm

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In post 4770, Taly wrote:Still unsure of my order.

I know I want
ydra/peta/gammagooey
to cross later than sooner but if we go with
Toog's
plan, then I end up with less than 4 being uncrowded.

Mmm.
the math on this seems wrong
(me, toog, dwlee, cakez) + (ydra, peta, ggy) + you = 8 people crossing, leaving (ulya, skitts, HQ, gypyx)
is there anyone in that last group you TR? If not I'm gonna mark those down as the ones you don't want to cross so I can have an entry from you in my spreadsheet I'm using to math out the consensus of who gets left out
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Post Post #4872 (isolation #602) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:54 pm

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In post 3465, Gammagooey wrote:scummish: Toog, Saber, Ydrasse
fight me scummo: Skitter
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Post Post #4877 (isolation #603) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:08 pm

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In post 4875, Taly wrote::( why nobody want me to cross and potentially fall to an anticlimactic death
if you answer my question I'll vote for you :mrgreen:
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Post Post #4879 (isolation #604) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:11 pm

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they were actually helpful in FFXIV, especially with the flavor claims
here they're just a wet towel
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Post Post #4881 (isolation #605) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:13 pm

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In post 4714, Ydrasse wrote:(you/skitter) 1 here
toog
gypyx (?)

i trust cakez gamma harley taly
maybe ulyana maaaaybe dwlee
i want to believe goolord is town
are you good marking down (toog, peta, skitter, gypyx) as your 4 to kill?
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Post Post #4885 (isolation #606) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:18 pm

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In post 4691, ulyana wrote:if i exclude you from thoughts,

harley quinn sircakez toogeloo would be always leave behind, taly gamma emerald ydrasse decide between, and crossing the rest is how i’d try to get 4 in a row town right now
how would you rank those two pools
also, not enthused by the fact I'm pretty sure that second pool is all town
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Post Post #4888 (isolation #607) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:21 pm

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VOTE: taly
@Taly
who would you like killed off rn, then?
What I'm gonna try to do is get this spreadsheet worked on while also voting players across, there should be enough data I can collect tonight to at least have some players I can vote across without worrying about the people who haven't spoken up rocking the boat too much
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Post Post #4891 (isolation #608) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:23 pm

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In post 4883, Ydrasse wrote:can someone explain why gammagooey is town to me? i'm looking back and

i'm a little like !! because goo made a post in the pt like

'i wouldn't be surprised if they nom via plurality'

i dont think this is an especially important or distinguishing post but it bugs me if that makes sense

i wanna know why the slots towny enough to stick around .-.
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Post Post #4893 (isolation #609) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:24 pm

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In post 4890, Taly wrote:I don't think I can give a reliable answer on who I want uncrossed until we do like... 3 crosses at least, and I'm honestly sus on people who think I should give one.
this is fine
I should still have enough data without that input to at least be able to send across those 3 or so people to get you to that point
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Post Post #4896 (isolation #610) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:25 pm

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why did you assume he meant you, Harley?
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Post Post #4900 (isolation #611) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:27 pm

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In post 4895, Ydrasse wrote:*inhale*

VOTE: taly

i have to learn to send it because i am not confident about scum at all this game

just had a 0/2 reads game btw lads so trust in me to carry
yeah I thought you TRed dwlee because you did the twirls thing but ig not? since later on I recall you not listing them among folks you TRed
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Post Post #4902 (isolation #612) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:28 pm

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In post 4369, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 4366, Taly wrote:WAIT

TWEETIE!!!!


IF SOMEONE CROSSES, ARE THEY UNABLE TO SPEAK UNTIL EVERYBIDY ELSE CROSSES?

I ASK BECAUSE I FORGOT EVENT 4 HAD A SECRET BALLOT AND TILTED.
Crossed and crossing players continue to discuss and vote for the remainder of the event. They simply cannot be voted for.
uhhh Taly, did you forget this?
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Post Post #4904 (isolation #613) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:29 pm

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In post 4898, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 4845, Harley Quinn wrote:
In post 4821, Gamma Emerald wrote:also the plan is still not entirely formed wrt whether we want more or less trusted folks to cross first
as clearly evidenced by you wanting ydrasse (your townread) voted across when me and dwlee are having talks that involve more suspected slots crossing first
I thought we were supposed to vote our most confident trs first. So, should I unvote them then?
Gamma, why didn’t you answer this?
because the topic of conversation moved on (also I didn't see it)
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Post Post #4914 (isolation #614) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:39 pm

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In post 4910, petapan wrote:personally if i was going to throw myself into a situation ingame where i was facing potential death i would want to have reads hammered out, wifom about eating the kill be damned
this is funny
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Post Post #4918 (isolation #615) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:43 pm

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In post 4885, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4691, ulyana wrote:if i exclude you from thoughts,

harley quinn sircakez toogeloo would be always leave behind, taly gamma emerald ydrasse decide between, and crossing the rest is how i’d try to get 4 in a row town right now
how would you rank those two pools
also, not enthused by the fact I'm pretty sure that second pool is all town
I have the data compiled as best I can rn and I feel even worse about this secondary pool because those are all slots with very little people wanting them dead otherwise (literally no one else has me in their kill pool that has one documented!)
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Post Post #4919 (isolation #616) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:44 pm

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In post 4881, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4714, Ydrasse wrote:(you/skitter) 1 here
toog
gypyx (?)

i trust cakez gamma harley taly
maybe ulyana maaaaybe dwlee
i want to believe goolord is town
are you good marking down (toog, peta, skitter, gypyx) as your 4 to kill?
did you answer this yet
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Post Post #4956 (isolation #617) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:55 pm

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That wasn’t really your call to put you and Dunn in the duel though. Claiming sole credit is excessively misleading.
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Post Post #4957 (isolation #618) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:56 pm

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In post 4955, Taly wrote:sorry that was overly aggressive

my oh my, it's past my bedtime

and now i bid you all goodnight
No your post was absolutely valid
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Post Post #4970 (isolation #619) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:00 am

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In post 4968, petapan wrote:
In post 4707, Gamma Emerald wrote:I remembered something gypyx posted in the blue room that pings quite a bit now that infinity has flipped town.
i think i know what you're talking about from gypyx but can you go into it?
When I started asserting my confidence in town!infinity Gypyx leapt to the idea I had an inno on infinity as a result of being spared as town. I did not, but I believe him thinking that might have been a slip of the tongue in a sense, as scum would know
some
reward had occurred. My belief for what the reward is, which I might have covered prior, is that the spinning of the barrel in the duel being true random was it.
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Post Post #4984 (isolation #620) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:39 am

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Hi I asked you a thing
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Post Post #4990 (isolation #621) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:51 am

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In post 4985, ulyana wrote:
In post 4984, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hi I asked you a thing
you asked me about how i would compare the players on the lists to eachother? or about the order? and i am going through the players right now?
I specifically wanted to know your order of preference for which of me/taly/ydrasse should be left behind
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Post Post #4992 (isolation #622) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:52 am

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which it kinda looks like you're working towards expressing, but I want to know if you're actually going to get to a conclusion on that rn
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Post Post #4996 (isolation #623) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:55 am

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Yeah I see it but I feel like putting a bunch of weight on that meta isn't a great idea
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Post Post #5001 (isolation #624) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:59 am

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In post 5000, ulyana wrote:
In post 4997, ulyana wrote:
In post 4992, Gamma Emerald wrote:which it kinda looks like you're working towards expressing, but I want to know if you're actually going to get to a conclusion on that rn
i mean, i was planning at working more towards a conclusion but it's not exactly easy to weigh disparate things against one another
so i was doing so the best way i know how and seeing where it went,

like the reasoning for say ydrasse and you isn't exactly similar and also that list was made at dwlee's request excluding dwlee from it due to dwlee knowing dwlee's alignment and there are still a lot of ?s there for me as well
this post gets more confusing as it goes on
understandable to the one before it in the quote chain
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Post Post #5003 (isolation #625) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:04 am

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the most confusing part is what does dwlee knowing his alignment have to do with how you formed your leave-behind list?
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Post Post #5004 (isolation #626) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:04 am

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their alignment*
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Post Post #5007 (isolation #627) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:08 am

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oh
is dwlee in the first or second group for you (with harley/toog/cakez or with me/taly/ydrasse)?
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Post Post #5008 (isolation #628) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:08 am

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In post 5006, ulyana wrote:dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous
explain?
This might be a case of a serious mindmeld
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Post Post #5011 (isolation #629) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:12 am

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In post 5008, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5006, ulyana wrote:dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous
explain?
This might be a case of a serious mindmeld
which actually allows me to circle back to something I never explained earlier, which was my reasons for suspecting ulyana + who I thought was playing like cephrir in radio buzz that wasn't Cakez, those thoughts were connected the whole time
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Post Post #5013 (isolation #630) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:14 am

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In post 5012, ulyana wrote:
In post 5008, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5006, ulyana wrote:dwlee had entire view of game based on infinity's alignment that didn't make a lot of sense to me in the first place as i said in the pink pt and now their restructuring of views seems potentially advantageous
explain?
This might be a case of a serious mindmeld
it was like, well how i said it in the pt was like it felt like dwlee was playing like a different player than the dwlee i am familiar with with having a super strong scumread and basing entire view game off of that like to dwlee in the pt ydrasse and skitter were also both likely mafia because infinity was likely mafia and it especially felt like the connection to ydrasse didn't even make sense with view of scum!infinity because would scum be more likely to be tmi-ing a super strong read based on an emotional reaction rather than defending their partner
I was more interested in what seemed advantageous about dwlee restructuring their reads
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Post Post #5015 (isolation #631) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 9:21 am

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okay yeah that's more or less things I've brought up too
and the fact you mention the things in the pink PT also being incongruous is also of great help
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Post Post #5023 (isolation #632) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:24 am

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Ouch? That felt uncalled for.
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Post Post #5027 (isolation #633) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:46 am

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In post 5019, SirCakez wrote:@Gamma atm I want to leave Toog, Uly, Harley, Gypyx
I actually had yours compiled already but thank you for this
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Post Post #5034 (isolation #634) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:52 am

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I’m sorry if I worried you Taly? I’m kinda in a bit of a bad state maybe in terms of thinking about the grand scheme of things in this game. This event started while I was at bowling and I didn’t feel right making a big scene but it kinda fucked with my head trying to piece together a plan in the short bits I was able to post between when I was up.
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Post Post #5039 (isolation #635) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:56 am

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You said you got a fuzzy feeling from people voting you, I took that as fuzzy was a bad thing? Was I wrong?
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Post Post #5044 (isolation #636) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:58 am

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In post 5038, Gammagooey wrote:Saber
STOP. Stop this!
I’m pretty sure it’s
this shit
that’s getting Harley so spun up! Call Harley by her name, it’s honestly disrespectful to do this when Harley has already outposted Saber by MILES, look at the activity overview!
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Post Post #5053 (isolation #637) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 11:11 am

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In post 5050, Taly wrote:
Gamma
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Skitter/Cakez/Toog/Ulya
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For first crossing? I think I’m probably the smartest pick in terms of not sending across someone we might end up wanting to leave behind. There’s a few people with 2 votes towards leaving them behind but I’m I don’t have the spreadsheet on me rn
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Post Post #5087 (isolation #638) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 12:57 pm

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Keep in mind there’s also who we want left out to worry about
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Post Post #5096 (isolation #639) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:24 pm

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In post 5091, Toogeloo wrote:I forgot about gammagooey. Put him in the first four with HQ, Cakez, and myself. The scumspect lineup.
OKAY STOP.
I think I’ve heard enough from you at least for now. Stop posting for like an hour.
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Post Post #5097 (isolation #640) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:29 pm

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In post 5088, Toogeloo wrote:Well, I think you and dwlee both agreed to be in the bottom four together, lol. The 4 who stay behind should have the most weight on who goes forward, if you think that might make it fair, but in all reality, the 4 most town read players will occupy those spots, and there will either be a game over win, or a dead player who's reads might better influence the last 4 as well.
NO WE DIDN’T
Our conversation progressed past that to a split pool idea, and even then I’ve since moved on to trying to do it mathematically.
Do you not realize if someone crosses that should otherwise get left behind, someone else has to stay behind in their place? Or do you just not care?
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Post Post #5099 (isolation #641) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:56 pm

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Well I think you need to get your grubby little paws out of the dip
It really seems like you’re trying to test me by seeing how bad a plan you can get away with. I will not abide!
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Post Post #5101 (isolation #642) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:03 pm

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I’m almost back home so I’m going to go into my spreadsheet and use the existing data to formulate a proper crossing order because atp the remaining input I either don’t expect to get in a timely manner or don’t care for.
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Post Post #5104 (isolation #643) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:15 pm

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Yeah I probably got a little tilted there
It’s at least good you can be like, my reverse anger translator, ulyana
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Post Post #5109 (isolation #644) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:25 pm

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@toog In this game, yes that’s accurate (though that post looks loaded to suggest I’m scum)
I think you trying to help is good, but your plans do seem very scum-adjacent. I think Taly has a very good idea in having players who are at each other’s throats but have a good number of people TRing them should cross early so either one can get resolved by getting killed or there can be confirmed scum in a set or town just wins
I think there’s like 3 of those pairs atm (me/Dwlee, gooey/skitts, ulyana/Cakez)
Obviously only two of those can be a part of this plan for now (if 4 go across without a kill and the game isn’t won yet we can discuss sending over the last pair maybe)
Actually writing that I realized that the way MT worded things when it was asked earlier might put a spanner in the works
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Post Post #5128 (isolation #645) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:13 pm

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In post 5123, Taly wrote:I'm ok with
cakez/ulya/gamma/dwlee
being the first crossers, I mean, I think it's very possible you're all town.
I don't think I can sign off on this just yet.
When I just run it by number of times someone said they were okay leaving someone behind, this is what I get

Gamma, peta - 1 vote to not cross
Taly, Dwlee, gooey, ydra - 2 votes to not cross
ulyana, cakez, skitter - 3 votes to not cross
gypyx - 6 votes to not cross
harley, toog - 7 votes to not cross

so the consensus seems to be that 3 out of 4 of the folks who shouldn't be crossing are harley, toog, and gypyx. The challenge is who the fourth should be. All of the people with 3 people voting to leave behind are also people who are in a 1v1 and are thus people we'd want to cross in the first 4. A first 6 plan is out of the question I think, as that would mandate leaving behind a 2 vote person. So I can't really in good conscience make the decision on my own. I've tried to think my way out of this block but nothing feels right.
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Post Post #5132 (isolation #646) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:00 pm

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I don’t have anything from Toog because he’s been all about who should cross without giving names of those who shouldn’t cross
Which is like, a very haphazard approach
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Post Post #5133 (isolation #647) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:03 pm

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They, oops
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Post Post #5151 (isolation #648) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:15 pm

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In post 5149, petapan wrote:but that being said this does strike me as suspicious, because you sort of came into the game going "it's okay if you flip me" then start barking at us to prove who you're teammates with and insult me for continuing to suspect you. the whole process makse me feel lie your responses are geared toward emotional manipulation into making people not want to leave you behind rather than anything sincere
We’ve had this song and dance before in this game, twice or more in fact. Could you be right in a sense, sure, but it feels like you’re learning nothing from what went down with me and with Galron/unwnd.
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Post Post #5156 (isolation #649) » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:37 pm

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In post 5154, petapan wrote:anyway gamma i'm compromising enough, you get 2 in the PoE that i don't agree on, let me have my stance on her
I’m not really fighting you on her being left behind though? I just wasn’t a fan of that particular point
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Post Post #5180 (isolation #650) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 4:31 am

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I'm around kinda
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Post Post #5186 (isolation #651) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:08 am

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Post Post #5189 (isolation #652) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:13 am

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VOTE: dwlee
I just wanna get through this phase atp
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Post Post #5199 (isolation #653) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:20 am

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Post Post #5200 (isolation #654) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:24 am

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peta, you need to fucking cut this out. I know who harley is, and she 100% means it when she says this shit is tearing her apart. WE ALREADY HAD ONE FIASCO THIS FYUCKING GAMER CAN WE NOT HSAVE ANOTHER?!?!??!!?!>?!??
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Post Post #5201 (isolation #655) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:38 am

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In post 5193, Taly wrote:
In post 5191, petapan wrote:
In post 5183, Harley Quinn wrote:I shouldn’t have called you that, I should try to be classy and better than you. I apologise to the rest of the playerlist for my behavior but Peta is seriously harming me with his attitude and it just not acceptable to me.
you're gross, don't engage with me
Best move and my condolences.
And this, I thought you also knew who Harley was but clearly not if this is how you see her.
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Post Post #5205 (isolation #656) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:15 am

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this also feels like it's cutting into me as well.I'm probably crossing the line with this but fuck it, I need to let my feelings be known. I don't know what I can do to fix what happened before but I feel like being able to prevent this from passing the event horizon would be enough to make me not be a complete failure for what happened before, and I can't evn manage that rn!!! My entire body is basically goin g into shutdown atp and it's taking all my strenjth to even type this out. I want to be the one who's ther for my friends but I feel like I'm screwing that up. this song kinda encapsulates thew storm of emotions I'm going through better than anything I could write out on my own currrently
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Post Post #5209 (isolation #657) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 8:25 am

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I needed to ease some of my own pain there though. I feel better now myself, my body at least doesn’t feel like every cell is bursting now. I’m good to leave the subject behind now.
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Post Post #5212 (isolation #658) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 9:04 am

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Well Dwlee should be hammered to cross so that’s good I think
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Post Post #5227 (isolation #659) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:21 am

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
The idea is to have me and Dwlee go back to back, right? Did I misunderstand something?
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Post Post #5233 (isolation #660) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:38 am

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I hadn’t thought about any order other than the pairs going across two by two.
I think the optimal strat would actually be to stagger crossings. So Ulyana should cross next, followed by me, and then Cakez.
Unless we want to branch out on this idea to include skitter+gooey, in which case I surmise 2 orders could work, either an ABCABC order (each pair sending one half across, then the other half) or perhaps ABACBC. I’d personally think ABCABC more functional. I’m postulating on this because I thought I saw something from Ydrasse accepting being a part of those left behind if we get far enough to make the plan involving all 3 pairs work and no kill happens. If I’m dreaming a little too big just let me know.
VOTE: Ulyana
I think sending her across next is my preferred option rn.
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Post Post #5244 (isolation #661) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:48 am

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I don’t want to get into the real details but doing it back-to-back is pretty scum-adjacent I think
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Post Post #5250 (isolation #662) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:01 pm

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In post 5247, Taly wrote:
In post 5246, Taly wrote:Or, we could just do the fun route.

No set order with the pairs. Just go with where we want to wind to blow.
This might be optimal for more reasons than one.

Gives scum less of a chance to maneuver their queue.
Okay, well we’ve got a good enough idea of who we don’t want to cross I think as long as we don’t go too wild this is a fine plan.
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Post Post #5254 (isolation #663) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 12:08 pm

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald
Yeah maybe. Everyone else is still on right?
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Post Post #5258 (isolation #664) » Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:52 pm

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Post Post #5298 (isolation #665) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:36 am

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In post 5294, ulyana wrote:
In post 5291, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 5289, ulyana wrote:
do you think more likely mafia queued ‘first crosser dies’ or decided specifically dwlee there
first crosser dies bc it's the most elegant answer mafia has to dealing with the mechanic

kill first person and don't have to worry about wifom or what's optimal or pseudokilling it's easy to discern the 'why' behind it without revealing more intent
hm, do you think that skews towards certain players
Very likely
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Post Post #5303 (isolation #666) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:52 am

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In post 5299, Taly wrote:Fuck the pair idea now, I'm voting my strongest confident toenreads since we have nothing to fear.
Yeah, that’s why I wanted to suggest a staggered approach tbh, I felt like there was a chance scum would kill the first crosser in a back-to-back pair
There was a degree of self-pres but I also very much didn’t want to offer a free ride to potential scum that would’ve crossed in the back-to-back method, since while my thing with Dwlee was pretty one-sided ulyana/Cakez and gooey/skitter were definitely ones where it would’ve been advantageous for scum in there to try to cross right after their rival and then kick out the bridge under them.
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Post Post #5320 (isolation #667) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:09 am

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Pooky was sus of dunn I'm pretty sure, and also seemed savvy in the mechanics
I was actually expecting ulyana to be the scum's kill in this event thinking they were implementing similar logic, which is why I wanted her to cross second after I'd thought about the staggering play. I feel like if she's town she's probably someone scum legitimately do want out.
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Post Post #5332 (isolation #668) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 9:31 am

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In post 5324, ulyana wrote:
In post 5320, Gamma Emerald wrote:I was actually expecting ulyana to be the scum's kill in this event thinking they were implementing similar logic, which is why I wanted her to cross second after I'd thought about the staggering play. I feel like if she's town she's probably someone scum legitimately do want out.
??????? i literally argued to go first for this reason
I probably should have campaigned for that myself but people seemed to want dwlee
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Post Post #5335 (isolation #669) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 11:45 am

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I don’t really think so but I think some people find it harder than others might
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Post Post #5345 (isolation #670) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:27 pm

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In post 5336, Taly wrote:
Gamma
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I have no objection.
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Post Post #5376 (isolation #671) » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:41 pm

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In post 5373, ulyana wrote:like i'm an active player in the game right now and you asking me about whether or not you're difficult to read is probably as close as anyone's currently getting to trying to read me so sure i guess i can appreciate that

everyone just goes 'probably scummy just because!', and because others are doing it no one feels like they have to provide any actual reasoning or try to sort me,

and when you were talking about my slot earlier it felt like maybe you saw a little bit of what i saw,
I find it interesting you feel this way because everyone pretty much locktowned you immediately in radio buzz, so like, do you have any idea why it's different here?
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Post Post #5399 (isolation #672) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:38 am

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In post 5390, Tamora's Angel wrote:I'm going to make a move based on my reading so far. I know the odds of me getting left behind are strong and this game was more voluminous than I expected.

I still feel good about Toog and Skitter being town. I want them across next.

VOTE: Toog
We just had a whole thing where I tracked everyone’s stances on who to leave behind and Toog was definitely one of them, with skitter kinda being decided to be left based on other plans. So I’ll hear this out but it better be good.
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Post Post #5401 (isolation #673) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:39 am

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VOTE: petapan
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Post Post #5402 (isolation #674) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:44 am

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I think the mod wouldn’t give scum multiple kills in 1 event via sabotage
So the fact they already had 1 means I don’t think they’re getting another
All that to say we should just send over peta/taly/gooey rn
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Post Post #5405 (isolation #675) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:51 am

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I mean in the sense of a kill with no strings attached
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Post Post #5408 (isolation #676) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:57 am

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Maybe something that reduces the number of people left behind? That seems like the one with the most potential ability to screw town’s planning up, where we end up resolving one less slot than we otherwise would.
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Post Post #5442 (isolation #677) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:59 am

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In post 3592, Gypyx wrote:anyways i wonder, does anyone on pink plan on switching to Infinity or are just staying on our course of action there?
Hey uh, this post bothers the shit out of me looking back
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Post Post #5465 (isolation #678) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:18 am

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The leave-outs should be 4 of (TA, Gypyx, Cakez, FB, Toog) IMO atp
A lot of people (or at least definitely Taly and me) were upset at the way event 4 played out so imo everybody that isn’t townblock material who is responsible for that should get axed ASAP
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Post Post #5471 (isolation #679) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:23 am

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Taly is also townblock material
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Post Post #5476 (isolation #680) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:25 am

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Okay and? I’m just looking at who voted in the people who were eligible to be eliminated in event 4
Idg what you’re trying to accomplish by debating this with me.
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Post Post #5479 (isolation #681) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:31 am

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In post 5477, ulyana wrote:
In post 5476, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay and? I’m just looking at who voted in the people who were eligible to be eliminated in event 4
Idg what you’re trying to accomplish by debating this with me.
i am saying that taking taly being upset with the infinity/petapan pairing at face value doesn’t really make sense because taly could have prevented that pairing
There’s probably more I could’ve done to prevent infinity getting put up as well but what’s done is done, now we make the fuckers who did it pay. And again, Taly is locktown for me so idrc
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Post Post #5523 (isolation #682) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:58 am

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In post 5486, Tamora's Angel wrote:
Mod: You still have HQ in the list to get across.


Gamma, I feel as if you aren't giving me a chance. It's like pulling teeth to get any response from you. I need you specifically because I feel the game is following your lead and not giving anyone in your pool a chance. This is very problematic given the way the first thirty pages played out.

For instance, gooey is clearly scum coasting. That slot (Galron) was already saved once. Yet Gooey isn't in your pool. Scum don't even have to defend him.

Skitter slot was already spewed town, yet you have a blanket conculsion he should die.

Ulyrana has been slanking which exactly matches Toog's prediction and Toog practically called out Dunn but didn't mention his name. Now that the mood is set, Ulyrana posts because there is a consensus to sheep.

This game has largely gone wrong in the spam. Let's slow it down and reevaluate.

Taly isn't the worst choice to go across next though.
I do think your content is okay but I'm not really gonna be swayed from who I want left behind. The best bet for you this phase is to convince me that out of the 5 names I listed, you're the one who should stick around.
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Post Post #5524 (isolation #683) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:00 am

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In post 5499, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 378, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 363, Cephrir wrote:Is there a meaningful difference between this suggestion and just saying we should elim limbait
Can we just lim limbait?
In post 381, ulyana wrote:...
In post 382, Toogeloo wrote:wut?
In post 383, Gamma Emerald wrote:Toog pls
I think you're taking stuff out of context a fair bit
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Post Post #5526 (isolation #684) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:02 am

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VOTE: Taly
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Post Post #5542 (isolation #685) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 1:13 pm

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VOTE: ulyana
while slamming through these next couple is great I would like if some deliberation were to happen on which out of my pool of 5 that I want to be ones left behind should be sent across
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Post Post #5563 (isolation #686) » Sun Oct 31, 2021 3:57 pm

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In post 5551, Taly wrote:I think
unwnd/Galron
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Judging by
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Post Post #5635 (isolation #687) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:48 am

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VOTE: gooey
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Post Post #5637 (isolation #688) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 9:50 am

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In post 4348, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 4322, Toogeloo wrote:Getting 5 flips all at once will be extremely informative.

@mod, what happens if no votes are made and the deadline occurs, or if everyone agrees to stay after 5 have crossed?
The unnominated player who had the most votes before votes were reset would be nominated.

As in, the player who had the second-most votes in the previous phase would be nominated.

If there is no player with second-most votes, I would take into account the player who last had a vote (and then was unvoted).

If there is nothing else, scum decides.
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Post Post #5774 (isolation #689) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:25 pm

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In post 5681, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 5680, Almost50 wrote:Oh, OK. THANK YOU @Gammagooey :]

So, aside from my slot.. what are the reads on everyone else?
Ask King Gamma.

His are the only ones that count. Don't bother reading as a simple reading contradicts the narrative.
Is this talking about me or gooey
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Post Post #5777 (isolation #690) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:35 pm

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In post 5687, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 5684, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5681, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 5680, Almost50 wrote:Oh, OK. THANK YOU @Gammagooey :]

So, aside from my slot.. what are the reads on everyone else?
Ask King Gamma.

His are the only ones that count. Don't bother reading as a simple reading contradicts the narrative.
What do you mean "His are the only ones that count"?? Everyone has their own vote, right?
In theory, but Gamma made it abundantly clear that I was dying regardless of my efforts. Everyone went along despite the obvious reading of the thread. So yeah don't waste your time. You have 80% odds of dying. If you suppose I die, your odds go to 75%.
That is not what I said. I said your best bet was explaining why you should live over A50/FB/Toog/Cakez. 4/5 of those are getting left behind. You wanna avoid the presumes bloodbath, you gotta put in the work.

Also I find it laughable you think everyone is bowing to my reads here. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, INFINITY WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN NOMINATED!
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Post Post #5778 (isolation #691) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:44 pm

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In post 5765, ulyana wrote:and toogeloo referencing the duel the way they have, like the 'i killed the only flipped mafia' has felt like it was meant to be a clearing action, like frustration that it wasn't seen that way
I also noticed toog was very flighty during Event 4, shading peta but never really pushing there
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Post Post #5779 (isolation #692) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:49 pm

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In post 5729, Ydrasse wrote:add your vote to this wagon when you quote it

a vote means you want them uncrossed as a definite or strong confidence

Fire:
Gammagooey, Ydrasse
Toog:
ulyana
Almost50:
Taly, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Cakez:
Taly, ulyana, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
Tamora:
Taly, Gammagooey, ulyana, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald
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Post Post #5780 (isolation #693) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:49 pm

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FYI that is talking about within THAT pool
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Post Post #5785 (isolation #694) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:21 pm

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I know A50 tends to be slank scum these days but idk if that goes for times he replaces in
A50, be a lamb darling and fetch any games from this year where you replaced into a scum slot?
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Post Post #5787 (isolation #695) » Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:16 pm

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Yeah that’s not really in the timeframe I’m looking for
I’m looking for something that was either close to or after TENET
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Post Post #5797 (isolation #696) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:40 am

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It’s not a sure bet that everyone left behind will die, it just very likely that they do
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Post Post #5806 (isolation #697) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 4:53 am

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I’d need to re-read the blue room but I’m not wholly opposed to Ydrasse getting left out in place of Cakez
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Post Post #5839 (isolation #698) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:33 am

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@Taly
, tell it to me straight, what exactly did skitter and Toog say in pink team? I want basically a full rundown of the history of their posting in there.
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Post Post #5841 (isolation #699) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:45 am

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Mmm
I’m probably about to get spicy in here
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Post Post #5843 (isolation #700) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:10 am

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Not THAT spicy!
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Post Post #5851 (isolation #701) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:47 am

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Can y’all wait a damned minute, I have stuff I want to review from Ev2
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Post Post #5853 (isolation #702) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:47 am

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Ev3, rather
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Post Post #5858 (isolation #703) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:51 am

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In post 5856, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5844, Taly wrote:The mutual teamwork-then-sus reading between
Cakez/Peta
does give me pause with both.

Omg now both
Gamma's
gave me homework

Now I know how everybody else feels when I talk to them
cakez is very likely Town based on the Blue Team PT posts. Only the 2 Gamma's sound more Town in that PT
You’re kinda playing yesman to peta with this
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Post Post #5861 (isolation #704) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:52 am

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Even though you’re SRing him, which makes that kinda jank
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Post Post #5862 (isolation #705) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:53 am

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Like, you reached the same conclusion he did about the Blue PT posts, and yet you think he’s scum?
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Post Post #5872 (isolation #706) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:03 am

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In post 5865, Almost50 wrote:@Gamma: So, Scum
must
have fake/falty reads?
No, but I want to hear why you think peta!scum chose to espouse the same reads you are now touting.
I think you understand why I think this is a good line of questioning?
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Post Post #5881 (isolation #707) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:10 am

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In post 5876, Almost50 wrote:
In post 5872, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5865, Almost50 wrote:@Gamma: So, Scum
must
have fake/falty reads?
No, but I want to hear why you think peta!scum chose to espouse the same reads you are now touting.
I think you understand why I think this is a good line of questioning?
No, I don't. I AM STAYING BEHIND. These are my reads. You can choose to consider them or not after I flip.
Idc whether you’re coming or staying. You should justify it now.
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Post Post #5884 (isolation #708) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:12 am

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Tamora
, you get what I’m playing at by questioning Almost50, right?
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Post Post #5890 (isolation #709) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:19 am

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The thoughts are a-churning in my brain rn and I might come back with a wildly different view of the gamestate. I’m at the very least reconsidering my read on Saber/HQ/TA significantly.
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Post Post #5907 (isolation #710) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:38 am

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In post 5903, ulyana wrote:also noteworthy that toogeloo was trying to have us look at this sort of thing in the pt and otherwise solely focused on saying ‘let’s reach a consensus! peta is consensus right?’
Consensus based on WHAT?

Taly
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Ulyana
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Post Post #5910 (isolation #711) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:42 am

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Welp now I’m probably more sure Taly is town
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Post Post #5919 (isolation #712) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 9:59 am

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I don’t want anything hammered before I figure some shit out. Something feels fishy about pretty much the whole progression of Evs. 3-5.
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Post Post #5966 (isolation #713) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:08 am

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In post 5952, Almost50 wrote:Toog is not approved by the Gamma's or petapan. If they go there it's definitely my preferred choice.
I have very little clue where my feelings are going to land when I'm done with what I have in mind
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Post Post #5971 (isolation #714) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:37 am

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In post 5954, ulyana wrote:like if not scum/scum duel dunnstral just shoots toogeloo to guarantee 4 scum alive

with a sabotage

and town not necessarily being able to eliminate based on how events work
ngl I don't think the sabotage was just "kill x player" for that event
my guess would be it would have been "both duelists die" tbh
I'm being cagey on some of my thoughts rn but this I think I'm good to vocalize
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Post Post #5975 (isolation #715) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:39 am

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the only read from before I'm probably okay sticking to is Taly!town
He hasn't really felt agenda-driven this game ever, and I feel like there's definitely an active scum agenda going on atp
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Post Post #5990 (isolation #716) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:21 pm

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In post 5989, Taly wrote:taly.exe has stopped working
what can I do to help reboot?
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Post Post #5994 (isolation #717) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:30 pm

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In post 5991, Taly wrote:I don't know if this is the time to rethink or double down.
what's confusing rn exactly? I'm having my own doubts but they're very focused on certain things so it's probably not for what you are feeling rn
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Post Post #5995 (isolation #718) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:00 pm

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hey ulyana, I'm noticing looking at the activity overview about to start my research for what I'm thinking about that your posting rate has jumped up recently. Why is that, if there's a particular reason?
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Post Post #5998 (isolation #719) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:10 pm

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I think I know who I want to have cross out of the people not yet crossed, but I want to finish my research before announcing who it is
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Post Post #6009 (isolation #720) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:43 pm

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How long have you felt like the
Gypyx
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Cakez
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Post Post #6013 (isolation #721) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 2:46 pm

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In post 3269, petapan wrote:
In post 3265, unwnd wrote:I've gotten the vibes too but I also feel like Cakez is being all dah controversial slots while making a drool puddle and saying vote Dunn

But maybe that's townie too
it's just tiltingly bad philosophy because i can think of plenty of examples where people big brained themselves into thinking they had to go for the "controversial" or "spicy" flip because they didn't want to take the easy one
If toog flips scum this game, the egg is gonna be squarely on your face because of this post + your choices in the blue room :mrgreen:
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Post Post #6015 (isolation #722) » Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:02 pm

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eh I'm probably at the point where I've seen enough to at least disclose who I want to cross, it's SirCakez
VOTE: SirCakez
I fee like my current view of the gamestate, though still kinda foggy, indicates he's almost certainly town
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Post Post #6073 (isolation #723) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:23 pm

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I have a pretty good lead as to who might be scum here, and it’s why I wanted Cakez sent across.
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Post Post #6090 (isolation #724) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:45 pm

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I’m pretty confident Cakez is town, but not to where I want to disrupt the townblock to send him to Heaven
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Post Post #6094 (isolation #725) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:49 pm

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I just looked at the event, it basically seems like this is Purgatory as an event
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Post Post #6102 (isolation #726) » Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:57 pm

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In post 6093, Taly wrote:What do you wanna do,
Gamma
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I want to write up a post on my unsub (to you guys at least), then we can discuss that idea
Whilst that’s in the works we can also do our first Heaven vote, my thing will be more important for the first Hell vote.
I see you as locktown rn, as well as Gooey because I feel like he’s really been an asset to town atp. Like, I just don’t see how his skitter/FB push could ever be a bus.
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Post Post #6150 (isolation #727) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:15 am

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In post 6113, ulyana wrote:i feel like,

me/gammagooey/peta/ydrasse

right now,

but need to review
For what
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Post Post #6152 (isolation #728) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:17 am

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In post 6124, ulyana wrote:
In post 6123, Taly wrote:
Ulya/Ydra
Ulya/Cakez
Ulya/TA
Ydra/Cakez
Ydra/TA
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Anybody have a preference for which interactions I ISO first?
all of the ones involving me are going to show i’m unpartnered and are unnecessary
Nah, prolly do those first actually
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Post Post #6157 (isolation #729) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:29 am

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I honestly feel like Ulyana might actually be scum though. There’s 2 things that I feel like point to that being the case. First, the way she’s felt like she’s been dropping a lot of aimless shade everywhere reminds of how Dunnstral
-as-Knight Beige had a weird aggro reaction to Cakez-Azure wanting to pair with me-Chartreuse. The other point is that it feels like twice now that Ulyana has put on the jets in response to pressure of some sort. Earlier in the game I criticized that she felt barely engaged and as a result her posting and engagement spiked. Now it feels like it’s gone up again, this is potentially in response to the crunch being put on her overarching plans.
This was originally gonna be a lot higher effort of a post but I felt like I needed to make it clear for Taly that the tilt might actually be a sign.
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Post Post #6158 (isolation #730) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 12:30 am

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That Ulyana read is also why I have Cakez as town, ftr
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Post Post #6171 (isolation #731) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:40 am

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In post 6166, ulyana wrote:
In post 6157, Gamma Emerald wrote:The other point is that it feels like twice now that Ulyana has put on the jets in response to pressure of some sort. Earlier in the game I criticized that she felt barely engaged and as a result her posting and engagement spiked. Now it feels like it’s gone up again, this is potentially in response to the crunch being put on her overarching plans.
also why is this how you think scum!me functions? like is that based on anything at all? having played with scum!me (and town!me) before?
I’ve gone on record earlier this game that this game feels like a wildly different game for you just in general
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Post Post #6175 (isolation #732) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:45 am

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In post 6169, ulyana wrote:
In post 6167, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 6162, Taly wrote:
In post 6160, Taly wrote: Taly: purgatory
Gamma Emerald: hell
petapan: heaven
Gammagooey: heaven
Ydrasse: purgatory
Cakez: hell
Ulyana: heaven
TA: hell
This read list highlights a problem I have with your play that might be scum-indicative: your suspicion of me and Cakez don’t feel based in any logic at this point. You’ve
constantly
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Post Post #6178 (isolation #733) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:49 am

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In post 6174, Taly wrote:Let's work to be as cohesive as possible.

How about we do a table for who to Heven.

Place your name on the player you want to Heaven. You can go more than or even less than 4 players.

Taly: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald
Gamma Emerald: Taly, Ydrasse, GEmerald
petapan: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald
Gammagooey: Taly, Ydrasse, Ulyana, GEmerald
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Cakez: GEmerald
Ulyana: Ulyana
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Post Post #6184 (isolation #734) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:56 am

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In post 6177, ulyana wrote:have i not pointed out those reasons like sure you obviously would disagree with the ones regarding your slot but which of those regarding sircakez are you calling illogical exactly?
It’s not really the reads themselves that register as illogical, it’s the total lack of any sort of reconsideration based on anything that’s gone on this game. You seriously think Dunn clashes with not just me but also Cakez in the way he did as partners with us? You think I scrape out as much of my blood, sweat and tears that I have this game as scum? I can go hard early on as scum but there’s pretty much
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Post Post #6188 (isolation #735) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:22 am

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In post 6185, ulyana wrote:
In post 6184, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 6177, ulyana wrote:have i not pointed out those reasons like sure you obviously would disagree with the ones regarding your slot but which of those regarding sircakez are you calling illogical exactly?
It’s not really the reads themselves that register as illogical, it’s the total lack of any sort of reconsideration based on anything that’s gone on this game. You seriously think Dunn clashes with not just me but also Cakez in the way he did as partners with us? You think I scrape out as much of my blood, sweat and tears that I have this game as scum? I can go hard early on as scum but there’s pretty much
always
a drop in dedication, that I straight up have not had when we’re already at least half-done with the game.
? i feel like i’ve reconsidered your slot twelve times this game and your ‘blood sweat tears’ argument is every bit as applicable to me, so,

is this the only reason sircakez is town to you? interactions with dunnstral that sircakez was part of drawing attention to and suspicion of me?

and i feel like interactions with dunnstral were likely intentionally shaped yes especially based and skitter’s interactions with the slot and dunnstral’s willingness to 50/50 the duel, like this still seems like very suboptimal mafia plan regarding the duel, but now i am trying to make the most sense of it i can now
Can you provide meta examples to back up your effort levels being higher as town? I can definitely present games where I displayed that “high-octane early, running on fumes late” scumplay. And like, I think a part of why your activity spikes seem problematic is I feel like both of them, especially the first one, felt like they were responding to your game being put in jeopardy. That sort of drive in response to external factors is something that I honestly find a little foreign and as such it registers as innately scummy I think. That’s based in real life for me, as extrinsic motivation pretty much never functions for me.
For Cakez, it’s also probably some level of acceptance that “yeah peta has a point”, and also, I feel like my entire Dwlee/Cakez/Toog thing was just a mixture of stagnant suspicion and paranoia so I’m trying to expurgate those feelings.
You mentioning Dunn interactions makes me go back to how pretty much all of you/Dunn/Saber took my attempts to kick up some dust in the game in what feels like a really bad way. Idk how skitter reacted to my own actions but I remember others mentioning her reaction to Dunn getting pressured was not great, so it seems like it is likely all the scum were generally on edge in that moment.
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Post Post #6194 (isolation #736) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:32 am

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Post Post #6228 (isolation #737) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:35 am

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In post 6205, Taly wrote:
petapan wrote:
In post 6199, Taly wrote:
Saber
put
Ulya/I
on a pedestal of constantly stating we bleed towniness?

I mean, that's the impression I got off first glance. I'll look deeper if you'd like.
if that was the impression conveyed then i drastically failed in my mission
give me another chance
peta <3
I'll get to this in-depth later :D

and thanks to you and
ydra
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Post Post #6230 (isolation #738) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:36 am

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In post 6208, ulyana wrote:
In post 6188, Gamma Emerald wrote:Can you provide meta examples to back up your effort levels being higher as town?
scum games (now with correct trust fall game linked):
In post 2415, ulyana wrote:
In post 2395, unwnd wrote:Has Shiki ever been scum
mini normal 2122 (as team rocket queen)
gacha mafia (as shiki)
a normal blitz ii (as shiki)
chain of command (as euphony {hydra})
student council (as tracy flick)
fall with your friends (as inutile)

these probably(?) the most applicable
town games (chosen by recency and similarity to this game design wise):

mini normal 2214 as shiki
royalty as team rocket queen
menagerie as drusilla
radio buzz as rousseau
trist fall as inutile
emitgbsmod as inutile

and if you want to see my engagement fluctuate similarly to how it did here based on happenstances, i felt similarly during all of royalty, menagerie, trist fall and emitgbsmod so those are probably good examples of that as well

like my point here wasn’t really to towncase myself on meta as i am aware of posting stuff so could potentially subvert it’s that you’re like saying you’re town because of effort and that i am scum because of effort because i was at one point disengaged from game which was in part because of you while not even considering that the model for my scum behavior you were presenting was unlikely
bleh
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when
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Post Post #6231 (isolation #739) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:41 am

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In post 6212, SirCakez wrote:what? I ended up being right.
skitter pocketed me too but tbh I've been so hammy about cabd clause that it's time to give it a bit of a rest (yeah I know bringing it up kinda kills that but when I said hammy,
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Post Post #6232 (isolation #740) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:42 am

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VOTE: Taly
idk what the votes are at but I saw 4 recently so let's hammer it to some degree
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Post Post #6234 (isolation #741) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:46 am

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gaaaaahhhhh
I don't wanna retract my cakez TR now that it's on the vote thing but I feel like the associative points against him sound good
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Post Post #6242 (isolation #742) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:59 am

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Yeah that’s fair I think
I should be able to sink my teeth in a bit late tonight
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Post Post #6254 (isolation #743) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:21 am

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In post 6248, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 6247, Blade Dancer wrote:I can share my handwritten notes tonight if that helps. I don't have the time at the moment.
Well crap. This alt had a short life anyway.
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Post Post #6257 (isolation #744) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:30 am

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VOTE: Tamora’s Angel
The order in which we do this is arbitrary probably but w/e
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Post Post #6258 (isolation #745) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:32 am

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In post 6256, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 6254, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 6248, Tamora's Angel wrote:
In post 6247, Blade Dancer wrote:I can share my handwritten notes tonight if that helps. I don't have the time at the moment.
Well crap. This alt had a short life anyway.
I knew it was you or Math tbh
I was going for a Math impression and hoping people would give me a chance after people ignored my rare attempt at reading.
You understand why I appealed at you re: my attempt to pull content from A50, right?
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Post Post #6263 (isolation #746) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:07 am

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In post 5872, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 5865, Almost50 wrote:@Gamma: So, Scum
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have fake/falty reads?
No, but I want to hear why you think peta!scum chose to espouse the same reads you are now touting.
I think you understand why I think this is a good line of questioning?
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Post Post #6265 (isolation #747) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:10 am

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In post 6262, Taly wrote:VOTE: Tamora Angel

The irony is not lost on me that I was the first person to cross into Heaven and have the least holy spirit of us all.
Why do you say that
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Post Post #6268 (isolation #748) » Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:16 am

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waow
I kinda wanna gab on that stuff but this ain’t the place
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Post Post #6328 (isolation #749) » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:56 pm

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VOTE: gamma emerald
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Post Post #6338 (isolation #750) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:22 am

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In post 6329, Taly wrote:Gamma, did Pooky's death factor in your Ceph shot?
Not really, I was highly averse to just picking something I thought was shady but hadn’t had a chance to examine through questioning and the leads that pulled up were not ones that felt worth acting on without that due process. And I think Ulyana is twisting things a bit because her questioning back when that was all happening did not feel organic at all, honestly it felt like she was in on the kill and used that to browbeat me for being slow to come to the conclusion I did.
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Post Post #6342 (isolation #751) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 11:59 am

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Why wouldn’t you
He was townread, he was active, he was seemingly quite savvy to scum’s tactics
Who would
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Post Post #6367 (isolation #752) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:10 pm

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In post 6360, Ydrasse wrote:wow that actually sounds horrendous when i write it like that LMAO
Are you saying you think you have a point
Because idr how many games me and Prism were T/T in (only one immediately coming to mind is that coalition game) but for games where I’ve been scum against Prism it’s just been BoI and Tarot, and
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Post Post #6380 (isolation #753) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 1:40 pm

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In post 6376, ulyana wrote:potentially suspicious once kingmaker revealed yeah?
Pretty sure scum didn’t want one of theirs in the chair even with how it worked, as I’m pretty sure they also knew the execute/spare vote was also coming, I’ve been of this mind since event 2
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Post Post #6390 (isolation #754) » Sat Nov 06, 2021 5:06 pm

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VOTE: ydrasse
I don’t rlly know what y’all are talking about but w/e
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Post Post #6407 (isolation #755) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:02 am

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honestly ulyana you're not making bad points, I would understand feeling like me+taly were trying to clutch this out, I just know that you're wrong and idk why you're trying to disrupt the townblock where you're taking the place of one of your actual TRs in it, you should have maybe at least pushed peta to go into heaven before me?
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Post Post #6409 (isolation #756) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:06 am

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VOTE: petapan
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Post Post #6411 (isolation #757) » Sun Nov 07, 2021 7:08 am

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you voted yourself though
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Post Post #6432 (isolation #758) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:26 am

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I take it you’ll be getting into why he did that
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Post Post #6443 (isolation #759) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:44 am

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Ngl Cakez’s thought on who might be scum in heaven don’t feel too off with what Titus was pushing in Hell PT
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Post Post #6450 (isolation #760) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:47 am

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Ydrasse says Titus was pushing for Ulyana to get spared right? Ulyana was certain gooey+Peta were town so pushing for her survival would put them in a better position
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Post Post #6461 (isolation #761) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 6:06 am

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In post 6455, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 6450, Gamma Emerald wrote:Ydrasse says Titus was pushing for Ulyana to get spared right? Ulyana was certain gooey+Peta were town so pushing for her survival would put them in a better position
no, she wasn't pushing this, let me clarify:

she spent the majority of the pt saying we should all die.
after deadline passed, and she auto-passed, she made a comment about how she considered saving ulyana because she was wary of me/cakez having scum. she also made other comments about agreeing with ulyana (because at this point, ulyana was the only person who could save her because cakez was saving me)
Hrrrmph, that weird then
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Post Post #6533 (isolation #762) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:17 am

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I don’t get what peta is doing with those blank quotes, outside of maybe trying to shade me? And I am sorry but I recently had my own set of games where I played extremely shitty to my teammates despite believe myself not capable of such low behavior, so I’m not sure that argument is convincing to me. I’m not calling Peta scum as of yet but I did a lot of self-reflection over the course of this game and a key realization was the corruption of how I’d actually missed the true takeaway of the offsite scum win that inflated my ego.
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Post Post #6539 (isolation #763) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:30 am

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I would have literally been throwing suss on 2 partners in event 1 as scum
I pushed Ulyana because she felt active lurky and Dunn and Saber both wriggled out to combat me on that
I feel like that’s not the type of distancing I employ, I prefer more grandiose displays
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In post 6533, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don’t get what peta is doing with those blank quotes, outside of maybe trying to shade me? And I am sorry but I recently had my own set of games where I played extremely shitty to my teammates despite believe myself not capable of such low behavior, so I’m not sure that argument is convincing to me. I’m not calling Peta scum as of yet but I did a lot of self-reflection over the course of this game and a key realization was the corruption of how I’d actually missed the true takeaway of the offsite scum win that inflated my ego.
Where are you at with Ydra and Ggy?
I honestly think it might be gooey because his order he put up in the heaven PT felt pre-pondered, like he was building up an agenda and enacting it. Ydra I don’t really have a good feel on but I don’t wanna just write her off when Cakez chose to have her proceed
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Post Post #6548 (isolation #764) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:45 am

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I think my play during that event should be the strong point for me being town :igmeou:
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Post Post #6552 (isolation #765) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:51 am

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I’m able to kinda parse my personal feelings from gameplay though
And I did have like a spark of thought that TA could be town but nothing came blazing from it, if that metaphor makes sense
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Post Post #6556 (isolation #766) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:59 am

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A thought just sparked that history repeated itself from event 4
Gammagooey
, why was I your initial pick for Ruler? I think I got the control I was asking for in the prior events, at least.
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Post Post #6563 (isolation #767) » Sat Nov 13, 2021 11:09 am

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I know I shouldn’t rlly say this but there was one post HQ made that felt like a blind punch that ended up hitting me and if we were scum partners does she throw that blow?
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Post Post #6643 (isolation #768) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:53 am

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In post 6613, Gammagooey wrote:I'd like to see some posting from GE+Ydrasse about who they would have put up if they got to be ruler, who they think is most likely scum, etc (Ydrasse I think was planning on going over some stuff today)
I feel like I would have put up you/Ydrasse, or maybe you/peta
I don’t rlly think peta is scum rn tho, but that’s somewhat off the back of some of the stuff he’s done in this phase
I don’t really recall this singular focus of his on past interactions ever coming up this way in FGO 2
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Post Post #6654 (isolation #769) » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:24 am

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This is why I hate being in ELo: I p much never have the mental bandwidth to focus on why someone else is scum to the degree that is called for. I can create motivation for myself out of basically thin air any other time but never in these moments, for some reason. Also you’re like the only one that rlly seems to be sussing me? But like, you have a point because if we can trust each other then that’s a good step towards finding the actual scum.
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Post Post #6698 (isolation #770) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:24 am

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In post 6686, Taly wrote:
In post 6682, Taly wrote:But if you ignore my posts this event phase after my flip, I'm going to be pretty upset.
I could go back for more analysis but I really don't think
Gamma/Peta/Ydra
are scum here.

And I'm mad that I didn't pull teeth for power in the Heaven PT.
You would have had to capitulate on one of those had you been elected ruler though, which one would it have been?
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Post Post #6715 (isolation #771) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:13 pm

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>_<
Taly isn't as strong a TR for me as peta but he's still feeling like town
problem is I could say that for everyone
I'm gonna try to weigh taly and ydrasse in my mind here and determine which out of those 2 feels more possible scum, since that's basically all I can do rn
but I rlly feel like this choice is kinda just bad? Maybe I shouldn't have been so fervently for Taly getting Ruler position to the point I hurt my own case, because it feels like gooey really did switch to wanting himself to be it as a countemovement to me pushing for it being taly so hard
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Post Post #6732 (isolation #772) » Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:12 pm

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In post 6729, Gammagooey wrote:I would have voted for anyone except you as ruler, peta had said he wanted either himself or me as ruler, and you said you were fine with voting in either me or you as ruler, so I took the opportunity to self-vote and become ruler with your and peta's votes.
Imo what you
should
have done was at least wait for me to come in and give assent because maybe I would have but I feel a little walked over having had you 3 just make that call without running it by me at all. I can’t really feel good about this choice when I feel like I wasn’t really a part of the process in the end. When Infinity was nominated during event 4 I at least was able to speak for my position even if no one listened. This just feels so much worse.
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Post Post #6823 (isolation #773) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:14 am

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I rlly hope this last event is just standard nightless because I think peta has good points but it’s just not me here, I just had a really shit game in the end.
VOTE: Nay
Idek what’s going on with how we want to do this event but I’ll just sheep peta ig
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Post Post #6828 (isolation #774) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:54 pm

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I feel like the best things I can point to in defense of myself are the fact I was pretty instrumental in putting through the duel pair that went through for e3, and my attempt to change up the order of crossing in e5. Yeah I did kinda suggest something that could have sent skitter across but I mentioned that as a side concept, I wasn't actively pushing for that to happen. It was also like, really weird for me to do that just to kill dwlee if I'm scum? I feel like ulyana would have been a better kill for the fact that I could have then rode the narrative that "oh I can trust our mindmelding that was going on from before"
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Post Post #6847 (isolation #775) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:21 pm

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I did kinda being up my play in the crossing event when mentioning the things I felt I’d done that didn’t really track as scum-motivated. Also I’m kinda at a REALLY low low rn for my mood
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Post Post #6854 (isolation #776) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:26 pm

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Also peta if you’re going to play dirty I think it’s only fair to bring up how HQ’s actions affected me. I know her personally and yet she actually said a couple things that felt wounding for me. I’d actually had talks with her before she replaced in because I needed to release the dam on my emotional distress and then she comes in saying how “people who push people out of games make her sick”, and I just feel like I’ve been stabbed in the back!
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Post Post #6911 (isolation #777) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:23 pm

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I've operated w the assumption scum didn't want one of their own in the chair
so taly's assertion that they genuinely wanted galron in it kinda doesn't strike me as logical? I think it's more likely that if galron were scum the pressure there was never meant to put him into the chair
however thinking back the fact that I never had a key moment where I was like "yup galron is town for this one post" was probably a sign that he was actually scum after all
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Post Post #6919 (isolation #778) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:42 pm

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VOTE: Yay
I feel like it probably is gooey here so I'd rather bring forward the person who already feels that way
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Post Post #6933 (isolation #779) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:44 pm

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In post 6930, petapan wrote:and for context on skitter's vote on Gamma: she recently lost two games as scum where her teammate went over day 1 while she was V/LA (i was her teammate in one, i made a bad decision because i was was afraid of a runaway wagon. we lost). getting in and seeing a runaway wagon on a partner, she'd absolutely panic-bus because she doesn't want to get steamrolled again (easier in a mountainous game to bus too since no worries about PRs, although pseudo-nightless makes it a degree harder)

but if it slowed down and town started second-guessing...she'd go for the gutsy play and try for a counterwagon on town. and that narrative just makes far much more sense here
and I'd tell her to fuck off w that noise because I'm pretty sure I was also her partner in one of those instances and I feel like going into damage control mode is just, not how you play that sort of thing?
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Post Post #6934 (isolation #780) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:55 pm

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thinking about it, I cannot condone what peta did by deliberately leaning on personal conflict as a point to clear him, there was plenty else to go on but he chose to knowingly abuse that interaction for personal gain.
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Post Post #6937 (isolation #781) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:01 pm

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I’m not saying you’re scum, I’m saying you had like a million other arguments you could have come up with that don’t revolve around your spat with HQ. I just think you need to check your values because you are placing winning this game over treating others with respect.
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Post Post #6939 (isolation #782) » Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:06 pm

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Cool. Don’t ever queue in a game with me again.
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Post Post #7561 (isolation #783) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:14 pm

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I'm sorry for misgendering you Prism, and I'm sorry about how I treated you calling me out on it. I 100% should have been more patient with you. I have a serious issue regarding taking offense to things that aren't meant in the way I end up taking them.
I do not have any hope or expectation that you will forgive me, but I wish you the best in your future endeavors.

As for me, I will be quitting mafia for a while once my current games wrap up. Between this game, a few others, and just general happenings on this site that I've chosen to involve myself in, I feel like I've sullied my soul thoroughly. Hopefully a break will let me see things in a new light.
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Post Post #7562 (isolation #784) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:17 pm

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In post 7557, Infinity 324 wrote:i didn't know gamma had a really good scumgame actually
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I thought you'd already realized this back in last year lol

also: shout-outs coming for everyone. Y'all were breathtaking.
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Post Post #7566 (isolation #785) » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:32 pm

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In post 7551, Prism wrote:I thought all of Event 1/2 was extremely rote but forcing the person shoving you out of the game by misgendering people, refusing to apologize for it, and selling your own legitimacy by posting about breaking the ongoing game rule is absolute horseshit.
I think an omelet has to be made here. By using second person pronouns, this feels like baiting. Sure I can make general statements, but when the claims are dressed in this fashion, it's hard to not respond in a direct manner.
Also, I was inches away from replacing out back when the fiasco first happened but I realized Prism was leaving from the tone of her last post and didn't want to double the amount of slots the mod had to fill. I never meant to force anyone out.
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Post Post #7602 (isolation #786) » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:02 pm

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Shout-outs time

Rather than do a normal shout-out for Prism, I'm going to instead address something I think I slightly touched on earlier: Prism's commentary on my scumplay (saying it hadn't progressed at all), whilst inaccurate imo, did help me to realize that I had been playing with a pretty horrible mindset in my scumgames for a timespan covering almost a full year. So I'll be aiming to reconcile that with anyone I feel like I may have done wrong with my conduct.
Pooky:
You had a good mechanics-minded head on you this game
Cephrir:
I feel like I was a bit of an ass to you here, but this also might have been a learning experience for reading you down the line
Galron:
I think you really should embrace certain eccentricities because they help make you look like town when you are town at least
Dunnstral:
I think you did okay with what you put into this game. RNG sux
unwnd:
whilst I don't rlly feel great about the timing of you leaving the site, I do think you made a real effort in this game and that deserves to be recognized
Saber:
You seem kinda cool but idk who you are for reals, so I can't really gauge what input might be more valuable
Infinity:
I rlly hope we can have more enjoyable times when we next play together. It seems our last couple games we've both been a part of have been rather taxing for both of us.
Dwlee:
you were actually pretty cool this game imo.
HQ:
I think I've said most of what I need to but I'll just say you handled yourself pretty well all things considered.
skitter:
thanks for being a reliable partner while you were here.
Gypyx:
I honestly think you didn't deserve a good amount of the suspicion thrown your way
A50:
you just about had me worried you might turn your slot around before the crossing wrapped. I think that should have been scrutinized more that I was against that outcome, though idr how much I made that evident in the game
FB:
you were pretty cool this game ig
Cakez:
I think working with you for real would've been the only reason I'd have wanted to be town this game. Pls stay readable for when I get back bcuz I wanna be able to truly work alongside you in games
Titus/TA:
bestieeeee! thank you for being by my side while you were here
Ulyana:
I respect the effort you put into this game. Also, if you don't like me as a result of this game, pls be clear about it, because it felt like you had some serious disdain for me while we were playing and I want to be more diplomatic then I have in the past about sifting out whether the animosity I perceived in the push was actually there.
Taly:
you were an absolute treat to play with.
Gooey:
you were probably the one person who had the most potential to win the game for town and I think the game turning on you was rather unfair.
Ydrasse:
you played a pretty respectable game, from a town PoV I probably would have figured out you had similar energy output to Radio Buzz towards the end of the game.
peta:
Your play here was phenomenal out of the gate, and I appreciate your level of decorum in post-game.
tw:
thanks for coming in to finish out the game, and I appreciate your kind words in the stagehand PT
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