Squid Game! Game Over!

[Dwlee99]

tictac*

can i get some light on this read?

I remember thinking tictac is town at some point + Loki does too

[Dwlee99]

Also I want a paraphrase of all of team clown's PT

"you scum"
"nah, you?"
"nah we're homies"
"cool, friends for life?"
"Absolutely"

and then the discussion about saving norwee from team trying and possibly voting for math/a50

How many scum are in your team, your think?

[Dwlee99]

Your energy coming into this dayphase is much stronger. Also i only was trying to appease dwlee by putting you first - but dwleee is a chronic town tunneler so im not gonna trust their scumreads that much

This is fair

But also, I really dislike RCE's view of the game and think it comes from scum

[Dwlee99]

And yet I think it is much likelier to come from scum

And RCE's posting does not excite me either

[Dwlee99]

Also a50 just to let you know, I did read your post and yea I could see Spamton and Firebringer being T/S respectively.

[Dwlee99]

Kyouko replace in challenge

[Dwlee99]

I miss norwee though

[Dwlee99]

If I'm scum and toog is town I would have saved Darby there because then I wouldn't have to deal with this shading on my slot

If I'm scum and toog is scum I also probably pick Darby and then I can "locktown" myself in a mountainous game for getting our first scum kill

Tldr; not scum, just townread toog because toog seemed genuine + I trust toog to be useful to solving the game later + we are now going to bicker about this forever when I was probably choosing between two townies to save anyway and none of this actually matters

[Dwlee99]

Koba was actively petitioning me to not get them a parachute so I feel like they're town here unless they big brain knew I was going to defy their order there and save them

[Dwlee99]

And here's the deal, people keep giving a bunch of people they want to townread and etc. but these views of the game can't be consistent with each other so people have too many townreads.

[Dwlee99]

Cause fire is scummy and grabbed for spamton later

[Dwlee99]

Loki can you put all the people you hard townread in a list for easy viewing?

[Dwlee99]

Like you know why Darby is dead? Because it's not my fault I could only grab for 3 of my teammates and not all five while people grabbed for scummy players openly and you don't care to push there but care to push me for Toog who is very likely town

Why? Neither he nor Ydrasse has posted anything in the main thread that screams town to me.

You said gamma was town for something toog was also doing
Toog seems to be uninformed, that's the vibe I get

[Dwlee99]

And your read needs more explanation because it claims a scum composition in teams, not just a specific person being scum or town

Anyway, here's where I'm at

Team We're Trying

Morning Tweet (Captain)*
DkKoba*
Dwlee99*
Toogeloo*

Team Clown

Firebringer (Captain)*
NorwegianboyEE*
RCEnigma*
Spamton*
Whemestar*

Team Avengers

Loki Dokie (Captain)*
Save The Dragons*
tictac*

Something_Smart*

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Mama Ru (Captain)*

Mathblade*
NumberQ*

Almost50*

I think it extremely unlikely team Clown has five scum on it and this sounds like town!SS here. Just ISO him in OMB, he sounds completely different in that.

Also team clown being all scum isn't a world i completely believe in but I think it's full of scum

Town in there is probably norwee but I want him flipped anyway

If you tr Norwee, why do you want him flipped?

I think it is unlikely that all of them are scum, but they all have individual scum equity.

The Norwee thing is that his slot needs to be resolved at some point and could still be scum even if he hits some stuff to make me think he could be town

[Dwlee99]

Also mathblade keeps making excuses to not solve imo

[Dwlee99]

I've seen you solve as town

[Dwlee99]

I've seen you solve as town

But there’s stuff to work with.

Here there just isn’t.

There is, we had an elimination day one, a whole team forming event, a kill overnight, a whole parachute grabbing event, etc.

[Dwlee99]

^^^

Also it isn't who likes who because I personally like Norwee + Noraa and scumread both at one point!

[Dwlee99]

Same with firebringer!

[Dwlee99]

And math!

[Dwlee99]

And everyone else! Fuck what if I missed someone

[Dwlee99]

Homie

You don't get to final game if there are as many scum as town

[Dwlee99]

Fun

Was really worried about tug of war lmao

[Dwlee99]

Leave numberQ unpaired?

[Dwlee99]

Remind me, why we can't find one townie pair and force others to kill each other?

2 townies still win game if everyone else dies.

Order of leaving still matters

[Dwlee99]

It tells us what we are doing

[Dwlee99]

Oh wow so I was right on my read, firebringer

Maybe I wasn't pocketed and you're just scum lol

[Dwlee99]

Should I pair with someone townread or do I not have enough towncred for that

[Dwlee99]

My reads are probably bad here zzz

[Dwlee99]

Which one of y'all is evil

[Dwlee99]

MAYBE y'all are both town

[Dwlee99]

Propose to RCEnigma

[Dwlee99]

Wait I'm not allowed to propose oops

[Dwlee99]

I do not support dwlee with rce

Who do you want me with

[Dwlee99]

God I'm gonna end up with scum aren't I

[Dwlee99]

I could go with math

[Dwlee99]

Koba told me I'm not allowed to dance with numbers, sorry

[Dwlee99]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around Math.

I sure as hell wouldn't trust town-him not to walk out on me the moment I said something he didn't like.

My options rn are like... Wheme/Math/Number

So I'm probably not making it to endgame cause I scumread all of these people

[Dwlee99]

It's Spamton/Math/nQ, right?

Not that that's really better.

Even worse

[Dwlee99]

Remind me why you scumread Wheme?

I feel decently good about him, though I definitely couldn't tell you why off the top of my head.

I remember disagreeing with Wheme's read of the game and I found that the way be pushed me for getting a parachute for toog was extremely hypocritical and tunneled when he apparently had no rage for himself saving FB or for FB saving Spamton

[Dwlee99]

dwlee if you want to dance with numbers go ahead but you'll get flipped for sure that way

No thanks

[Dwlee99]

Do dance partners get PTs

If so, I want Mathblade

[Dwlee99]

Okay but what about firebringer grabbing for spamton

To my knowledge you called it out while wheme has been silent

[Dwlee99]

And to my knowledge wheme independently townread me before that soo

[Dwlee99]

Okay but you'd think scum would want to hide behind being all "just for memes" and that's literally the premise of your team which is why I think scum is crawling all over it

[Dwlee99]

MT do you want Math or can I take Math

I think I have a decent chance of being able to read Math in a PT from the games I've played with him

Unless I get hard pocketed

[Dwlee99]

@Dwlee: You can't take Math unless he decides to OFFER you to dance first. *Shrug*

Okay but he has to choose me or MT so...

[Dwlee99]

And if MT wants to give Math to me then math would be mad capping to deny such a request

[Dwlee99]

Can I have this

I don't wanna be with spamton lol

[Dwlee99]

I would be lying if I didn't feel sudden and strange paranoia

But Koba mentioned I do this sometimes ridiculously

But also sometimes I'm right

Thinking

[Dwlee99]

Tbh you should probably wait for more stuff before doing that but

Accept offer to dance with MathBlade

[Dwlee99]

I should hopefully be able to figure out math in the PT

If I read him wrong oops

[Dwlee99]

Rip number

[Dwlee99]

Do you think math is scum or do you think I'm scum

[Dwlee99]

I will do more thinking about this once I talk to mathblade

[Dwlee99]

Tentative agree on flipping FB though

[Dwlee99]

I hope team trying is all town because then I win my thing with Norwee even though it's kinda been broken from him repping out

[Dwlee99]

Also weirdly enough I felt like I was having an easier time forming reads before we started actually playing mafia but I'm not sure if those earlier reads were actually good or not. AI uPick and Mini 2246 I kinda had terrible reads

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99
Dkkoba
Loki Dokie
Toogeloo

Morning Tweet
Save the Dragons
tictac

Mama Ru
Almost50
Mathblade
Enchant

RCEnigma

Spamton
Something_Smart

Firebringer
Whemestar

Unordered between tiers

Yes I'm probably very wrong somewhere

[Dwlee99]

look at flips and look how number treated them.

for townies he either hard scumread them or hard townread them - the people i listed are people they were wishy washy on, or had ambiguity about. that is how I am reading their spew here.

Our only disagreements are Mama Ru and MT on this hypothesis. This can be revisited later. I think your idea that number treated all of his scum partners the same exact way is dubious though

[Dwlee99]

Loki we aren't stuck in these pairings forever. P sure it's just til two pairs are eliminated

[Dwlee99]

Isn't number just wishy washy on everyone there

[Dwlee99]

I haven't reread any of number's posts other than the one Loki quoted so gonna have to revisit that

But if we agree on three that's fine for now

[Dwlee99]

i will leave this dance right now

No

[Dwlee99]

MT first of all, we should see the fire and SS flip first.

Second, I still think you're town

[Dwlee99]

My team all want to leave the game and I have to drag them into living
See Koba and see MT now

[Dwlee99]

Wait

Everyone make read lists

[Dwlee99]

What do you mean?

Leave dance. If you are town, i leave as well.

A terrible idea..

[Dwlee99]

Im pretty sure a50 dwlee toog math are scum

This list is awful, Wheme is probably just scum here

Just saying

[Dwlee99]

I forget why I townread STD but wouldn't mind eliminating that pair (Wheme/STD)

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Wheme/STD

[Dwlee99]

What is this diagram

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Wheme/STD

Why are you not voting fire/ss?

Koba this is a move out of your playbook smh

[Dwlee99]

Wow bad vote

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Wheme/STD

Why are you not voting fire/ss?

Koba this is a move out of your playbook smh

Shading me wont work im spewed hard town bye

How is this shading you...

[Dwlee99]

I want to flip enchant. Town!enchant flips then we flip math and A50.

Okay so was I right on my read of you

[Dwlee99]

Yea like I think I may have been right on my RCE scumread earlier y'all

[Dwlee99]

Hey don't give me that, I was unfooled

[Dwlee99]

I will hammer at E-1

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Firebringer/SS
Just watched so much anime lezgo

[Dwlee99]

A pure random team has 15% chance of being all town. Add in reading people and the chance should hopefully get more likely. That's not super improbable, and you're essentially doing shitty vote count analysis when you're just grouping teams and going "# of scum in here = k"

[Dwlee99]

YOOOOO

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Rcenigma / tictac

This next? Could also do wheme/std but feeling slightly more confident here first after seeing that flip

[Dwlee99]

Basically: I think Wheme/RCE/Tictac could be the solve. STD seems townier than those three rn so would pref killing rce and tictac first

[Dwlee99]

[quote="In post 4132, Dwlee99"]Dwlee99
Dkkoba
Loki Dokie
Toogeloo

Mathblade
Enchant
Morning Tweet
Almost50


Mama Ru
Save the Dragons

Spamton
tictac

RCEnigma
Whemestar

New dwlee reads list just dropped

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee99
Dkkoba
Loki Dokie
Toogeloo

Mathblade
Enchant
Morning Tweet
Almost50


Mama Ru
Save the Dragons

Spamton
tictac

RCEnigma
Whemestar

New post just so formatting not oopsied

[Dwlee99]

"halfway"

[Dwlee99]

mathblade and a50 should be in the top tier smh

Leave me alone

I had RCE as scum before any of y'all

[Dwlee99]

First sentence read with the y'know bit of playfulness etc. etc. you should expect from me

Not actually mad

[Dwlee99]

Acceptable conclusion to reach if you're town

[Dwlee99]

I should be spewed town but koba isn't ready for that conversation yet it seems

[Dwlee99]

Actually
VOTE: Wheme
Sorry to STD but we don't know if we will still have agency next game and I want wheme dead now I think

[Dwlee99]

I should be spewed town but koba isn't ready for that conversation yet it seems

Fire all "dwlee is just a poor townie pocketed by Koba (("

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee, for what it's worth, my gut reaction to you grabbing for Toog was to scumread it as well. But I think your logic for why you wouldn't grab for buddy-Toog holds up, and I feel pretty good about you now.

Would like to see Wheme weigh in on that logic if he hasn't already.

The roundabout point I'm getting to is that I think Wheme's behavior is pretty understandable coming from town. If he townreads FB independently then I can see why he wouldn't judge FB as hard for grabbing for Spamton.

Okay but what about firebringer grabbing for spamton

To my knowledge you called it out while wheme has been silent

And to my knowledge wheme independently townread me before that soo

And to my knowledge wheme independently townread me before that soo

I don't see that anywhere in his ISO. I do see that he also called out A50 for grabbing for Mathblade.

I have some thoughts, but I guess it's better to hear from him rather than put words into his mouth.

[Dwlee99]

Why do you think wheme is scum

Saved Firebringer which was an obviously terrible decision I called out at the time

Was pushing me for grabbing for toog and never did the same thing towards Firebringer grabbing for Spamton - so a convenient hypocrisy between a town slot being pushed for behavior being ignored in a scum slot

Created a terrible lim pool during this event which was laughably out of tune with the game state

[Dwlee99]

Im pretty sure a50 dwlee toog math are scum

Like lol

[Dwlee99]

this is a parachute

Take Parachute For Mathblade

This is scummy as fuck

Oh look, also called out almost50 for grabbing for mathblade but didn't care about grabbing for Spamton

[Dwlee99]

Fire are you gonna try to get parachute for spam or should I get off my phone and go to computer

Oh look wheme ENCOURAGED grabbing for Spamton

Remind me why you scumread Wheme?

I feel decently good about him, though I definitely couldn't tell you why off the top of my head.

I remember disagreeing with Wheme's read of the game and I found that the way be pushed me for getting a parachute for toog was extremely hypocritical and tunneled when he apparently had no rage for himself saving FB or for FB saving Spamton

Because team clowns did it for meme and team trying were you know.. trying

And here is the "justification"

[Dwlee99]

Tldr; die die die

[Dwlee99]

So spam scum because there was no resistance? How does that follow?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so I expected that response but

Wheme wasn't around either. MT was and voted the wagon

So why is wheme town and mt and Spamton scum off that info

[Dwlee99]

I am arguing with math in the PT about the pure thing rn

Soo yea wheme die here imo

[Dwlee99]

If wheme/STD is S/S I think we have to flip mathblade for this

[Dwlee99]

Koba and me mindmelding on this overrides your mindmeld on the basis of LN 236

[Dwlee99]

Sorry I'm gonna have to go with Dwlee and Koba on this one I still dont know how you're getting +scum on me

That team isn’t pure.

Simple as that.

Probability says so and scum spewed so.

Feelings are irrelevant.

Logic > Feelings.

Feelings is how you die to scum

Draws five random names out of a hat

Probability says they can't all be town, better get to limming koba, Loki, me, a50, and toog

[Dwlee99]

You’re committing a fallacy in that you know what you know now to make that list.

If you start with a random group at the beginning of the game that almost certainly holds. Enough to where you’d have a pretty good win rate if you bet the game on it.

The chance of drawing all town from five randomly at the start is 15% my guy

[Dwlee99]

you mindmelding with a math who hasn't flipped any scum themselves is a bad sign not a good one

I had doubts on Math until it became beyond obvious that SS was scum, then I hard tr Math. It’s not rocket science. I’m really not appreciating the discredit.

It's about accuracy, not alignment

[Dwlee99]

Koba and me are a power duo rn

[Dwlee99]

I think Dwlee's parachute grab for toog was huge scum flag

Your outrage is BS

Darby hard dropped off and toog made me townread them by what they said in the PT

How is my outrage BS when you took the last parachute for someone who only has 8 posts and you townread for PT posts

I can’t read your PT why would that ever be BS lmao

You claiming I’m open wolfing is bs

I wanted to grab for Darby and Toog but chose Toog first because I townread them. If I'm wrong I'll look like a clown but I hope I'm right on Toog. Meanwhile you still don't care that people grabbed for MathBlade, Spamton, and you grabbed for fucking firebringer

Why is it bad that people grabbed for Fire?

Cause fire is scummy and grabbed for spamton later

And your read needs more explanation because it claims a scum composition in teams, not just a specific person being scum or town

Anyway, here's where I'm at

Team We're Trying

Morning Tweet (Captain)*
DkKoba*
Dwlee99*
Toogeloo*

Team Clown

Firebringer (Captain)*
NorwegianboyEE*
RCEnigma*
Spamton*
Whemestar*

Team Avengers

Loki Dokie (Captain)*
Save The Dragons*
tictac*

Something_Smart*

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Mama Ru (Captain)*

Mathblade*
NumberQ*

Almost50*

I think it extremely unlikely team Clown has five scum on it and this sounds like town!SS here. Just ISO him in OMB, he sounds completely different in that.

Like reminder from earlier where I had FB and SS as scum here, and called out wheme getting Firebringer a parachute a long time ago

[Dwlee99]

You’re committing a fallacy in that you know what you know now to make that list.

If you start with a random group at the beginning of the game that almost certainly holds. Enough to where you’d have a pretty good win rate if you bet the game on it.

The chance of drawing all town from five randomly at the start is 15% my guy

So another words 85% chance I am right.

I take those odds.

I do not want Wheme+StD.

Not how this works

[Dwlee99]

Like 85% chance from completely random but now that we know that the rest of team tryhard is very likely town the chance of scum being in there by Rand is <50%

[Dwlee99]

ITT we debate whether updating priors is a good statistical technique

[Dwlee99]

We only get one more dance elimination

[Dwlee99]

I want the team tryhard PT back

[Dwlee99]

RCE is fucking blatant town.

peopole scumreading him have shit ass fucking reasons because it is so obvious that a person *increasing* energy over time and also helping nail scum is town as fuck

RCE didn't do that tho

[Dwlee99]

LET'S GOOO

Wait scum mama sacrificed for Loki? Kinda big brain knowing that I wasn't sacrificing for math

[Dwlee99]

Also Koba YOU HAVE SO LITTLE FAITH IN ME

[Dwlee99]

Gamma Emerald
Loftwing

DkKoba
Morning Tweet

Loki Dokie
WhemeStar

Toogeloo

tictac

DArby

RCEnigma
Enchant
Almost50
Spamton

Dwlee99

Noraa

Hey Norwee :sly:

Also Koba YOU HAVE SO LITTLE FAITH IN ME

Not letting math thru was silly >.>

MATH WAS SCUM WDYM

[Dwlee99]

Oh and big thanks to the mods

This game was awesome and I had a ton of enjoyment playing

[Dwlee99]

It ended up between Toog, Darby, and Gamma. Given we won, I'd say I have plenty of post ex facto justification

[Dwlee99]

Leaving the parachutes wasn't a viable plan imo because we had no way of knowing if we could actually enforce policy lims on that basis. Also, policy lims kinda stink

its funny cuz dwlee also thinks gamma was on team tryhard hehe

see im not the only one with a shitty memory

No I don't !! It was that if I didn't pick up at all then Loki would have grabbed for Gamma

[Dwlee99]

I mean you did know the town would be able to enforce policy elims because one of the tenets of Mafia Games on this Website is that the town must be able to win easily if the player cards are all revealed otherwise it would not be defined as Mafia.

Okay but hear me out pooky

Teams

Parachutes

[Dwlee99]

Fair enough

Honestly I'm just glad that I didn't save scum with a chute or a sacrifice

That's my victory

[Dwlee99]

Oh also true

Norwee destroyed

Pooky was math and I's PT entertaining?

[Dwlee99]

the most entertaining part about you/math's PT

is you swearing up and down that you would be Koba's Bestie 4ever

and then as soon as game 6 started

Koba was like

Dwlee scum murdered Mathblade

I was laughing so fucking hard

</3

Thank you for your kind words pooky

[Dwlee99]

Ok i finally remembered a good one.

So when i was a teen approx 14-16 years old i loved to do urban exploring in my city. So i would wander around into construction sites… old factories… basically anywhere that looked cool but i was definitely not allowed to hang out in.
Once i ended up almost being caught by a security guard that was shouting at me to "get the hell of the roof" of an relatively newer factory rooftop i was hanging out in, he then started running after me. But i was a lot faster than him so i got away easily. I never got caught doing these things, but i’d imagine i would have gotten into hell of a lot of trouble if i did.

This isn't even embarrassing, it's a fun story

[Dwlee99]

Same ^

[Dwlee99]

Norwee