Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

hi ydrasse

[ulyana]

are they paying you to be here?

[ulyana]

a name

[ulyana]

do you think
it is just an elimination?

[ulyana]

Hi.

hello!

[ulyana]

hm seems more likely it is another definition of trial rather than one in which you could get acquitted

[ulyana]

i mean, the mafias probably know right, what other imformation could they be given about this event

[ulyana]

this event sounds kinda fun

i,

what about this event

sounds kinda fun

[ulyana]

multiple volunteers seems so odd to me,

it is like, what is it you are hoping will occur when chosen?

[ulyana]

it is like, what is it you are hoping will occur when chosen?

and how are you weighting the likelihood of that occurrence as more likely than being eliminated?

[ulyana]

multiple volunteers seems so odd to me,

it is like, what is it you are hoping will occur when chosen?

i think throne implies the person chosen will become king

since it is an execution throne. i think maybe the person chosen will get to choose who dies?

could we be electing a king?

it seems pretty possible yeah that the chosen chooses the elimination but what's percentage on that and if so the mafia already knows they want to be chosen possibly not want not to be chosen right

so it's like

hmmmmmmmm

[ulyana]

the mafia already knows they want to be chosen possibly not want not to be chosen right

can you rephrase this?

i am saying that the mafia probably knows the meaning of trial and so forth here because what else could they be told about this event,

so it is slightly suspicious on a very surface level to be trying to be chosen as opposed to trying not to be chosen

but, prism was in a game with me where they occupied a similar role to the one pooky is theorizing about here, and they hit mafia with it,

so then it is like, hmmmmmm, but pooky's theorized role doesn't really line up with prism's 'acquitted' statement so probably (?) was either not thinking along the same lines or (!) is hiding that they were

[ulyana]

@shiki i don't think scum fake not reading a post all that often. i think if pooky is scum they were like "hmm what would town!me be theorizing about the setup here". or "hmm how can i justify voting myself"

i don't think either is super likely

i am confused; it isn't about any post being fake not read, by 'role' i meant the result of the elimination, that is what pooky is theorizing about, someone receiving a 'king' role for the end of day, to choose an elimination, based on being chosen here

[ulyana]

i am confused; it isn't about any post being fake not read, by 'role' i meant the result of the elimination, that is what pooky is theorizing about, someone receiving a 'king' role for the end of day, to choose an elimination, based on being chosen here

but prism was saying, maybe i will be acquitted! which would be like an ic i assume, which seems far far less likely to me, so was either not thinking along the same lines as pooky or was not revealing that they had similar thoughts which would be kinda !!!

[ulyana]

pooky is saying that they didn't read prism's "acquitted" post here. i was responding to the "hiding that they did" idea

nono i was saying prism might have been hiding their thoughts with regards to the chair, sorry

[ulyana]

it is like, if you think about possibilities,

i would be eliminated, i do not want to be chosen
i might be acquitted, i would like to be chosen
i might get to choose the elimination, i might like to be chosen

the acquitted one seems very unlikely even thinking about it briefly right,

and if prism had a similar thought to pooky's why did they go with 'i might be acquitted' in their reasoning for self voting

[ulyana]

therefore, prism could be scum who does not want to mention the more intuitive theory because it's actually the correct theory?

yeah possibly,

also like, being eliminated seems like the most likely option to me, so volunteering still ???

[ulyana]

Spoiler: For Ulyana

we've bartered away heaven

[ulyana]

Who is

Shiki

?

<

[ulyana]

Can you, yourself, review the timeline of my suggestion and why I chose not to react to Pooky's?

Bonus if you can guess where the word acquitted originated in my mind

it wasn't the not responding to pooky as much as not having a similar thought yourself as it seems more likely, and would potentially lead to you actually wanting to be chosen,

like how did you decide that you being acquitted might be more likely than you simply being eliminated?

i assumed acquitted came from 'trial'

[ulyana]

i assume you didn't respond to pooky because you went to sleep

[ulyana]

My point was that Pooky's came after, and yes I was asleep. Some of your points this was irrelevant but there was one that had the order reversed.

yes i know it came after, but i do not understand how you decided that being chosen might be a good option without a similar thought to pooky's, like being ic'ed here seems super super unlikely to me

i think maybe i did not explain this very well,

and if you did have a similar thought to pooky's it is strange that you would not have shared it i guess

[ulyana]

Nothing about my thinking involved being an IC.

oh, maybe i am misunderstanding what you think being 'acquitted' would entail

[ulyana]

This is a bastard game where we have incomplete information on the event and presumably will not get more.

right but we also know that the mafias have more complete information, so it is good to theorize about the information we are lacking, both for reading people and for making better decisions

[ulyana]

...Are "acquitted" and "innocent" equivalent words in your mind? I would again point you to the word "trial" and the many ways it can be interpreted

no, but in terms of mafia i assumed they would be in this case,

i also pointed out that trial has many interpretations, immediately after you first said it, and the one you were alluding to seemed less likely to me than others

[ulyana]

Right, but there are many different pathways or possibilities. If I don't point at the same one as this dude who thinks on another planet from me, it means zero. If I magically know the path, it means more.

sorry i think i have explained very very poorly, i do not expect you to have pointed at the exact same thing as pooky,

[ulyana]

sorry i think i have explained very very poorly, i do not expect you to have pointed at the exact same thing as pooky,

it is like, if you want to be voted, you would have to think there is a more likely outcome than being eliminated, similar to pooky's, which seems somewhat plausible to me

[ulyana]

The takeaway from this for me is to not joke, not even on page 2. I will never hear the end of it.

i guess maybe i also missed that it was meant as a joke as opposed to a lighthearted way of expressing something, which probably got more lost due to others coming in and also wanting to be chosen;

what do you think of taly and pooky volunteering?

[ulyana]

Or, you could be town with a motive closer to mine in similarity.

which is?

[ulyana]

yeah, that's everybody I've played with before

we played together in student council; you were part of a hydra with alisae i was tracy flick

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

i mean, i asked someone if they thought it was just an elimination beforehand,

I want Ulyana to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

anything specific you want my take on?

[ulyana]

My reacting with sheer disgust at bad reasoning and play is not an attractive quality of mine but is nothing new.

i get it i remain useless and bad at mafia, it just seemed strange to me that people were advocating to be voted, shrug

[ulyana]

I think your wish for acquittal was the sign of internalized guilt, not the connection of trial to acquittal

mmmmmm why does that seem more likely to you

[ulyana]

I think your wish for acquittal was the sign of internalized guilt, not the connection of trial to acquittal

mmmmmm why does that seem more likely to you

that's the wrong question to ask, a better one would be "why does that suggest internalized guilt?" whcich I've kinda gone over already

i, uh

i don't get it

like trial > acquittal seems pretty straightforward to me regardless of alignment

[ulyana]

Adding to this, while I have come to expect that there will be these random lines of yours that you think it is possible to assemble into a gorgeous track somehow and it will appear to me that they obviously never will regardless of configuration, I think you are very valuable as a person, and you definitionally have value as a player. I don't have any judgement on you qualitatively as a player and don't think it would matter even if I did.

I also have lines of thought that I think are beautiful and wind up being awfully invalid knots, and you have some that wind up in fact being quite beautiful.

thankyou for saying this

I think maybe we should give the throne to someone who

doesn't

want it

because scumbags know if this thing is good or not.

if it's good, scumbags will want it.

if it's bad, scumbags won't want it.

So if we give it to someone who wants it, it's more likely we give it to a scumbag if it's good, and a non-scumbag if it's bad.

uh

if it's bad and the scumbags know it is bad and therefore do not in actuality want it but know that it is to be given to someone who does not want it would they not simply pretend to want it

or are you simply saying that the subset of {you, prism, taly} should not be given the throne

[ulyana]

Is there a meaningful difference between this suggestion and just saying we should elim limbait

Can we just lim limbait?

who would this be here

[ulyana]

...

[ulyana]

I have searched everywhere to try and find a way to watch Flaming Years to no avail

[ulyana]

but ur post was p clearly in jest so i wanna know why gamma is acting on it

i think gamma playing into jester 'vote me' thing

also hi!

[ulyana]

Ulyana definitely feels like one of those people

wait what?

i just didn't understand why you thought prism would have said acquittal due to having knowledge of her own guilt

rather than

trial > acquittal

like i'd be quite happy to read anything you posted going forward i just didn't really follow that

and then after you suggested yourself to be voted you seemed to be playing into that with the skitter vote like it obviously wasn't a real suggestion

so it felt like you were playing jester

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

ulyana it's always so Exciting to find another incarnation of shiki in a game

+)

[ulyana]

yeah, that's everybody I've played with before

we played together in student council; you were part of a hydra with alisae i was tracy flick

I was the first player who brought attention to the fact it may not be a straightforward elim.

i mean, i asked someone if they thought it was just an elimination beforehand,

I want Ulyana to come in and give non-setup takes before I give an opinion.

anything specific you want my take on?

Gamma's

a slot getting a lot of attention, is it warranted?

i think so? like noone really stood out to me as doing so for nefarious reasons

what were you looking at that led you back to the post you quoted here?

[ulyana]

i realized the arguments i was using to defend gamma were similar to the ones i was using when i was his scumbuddy

? why would this be a consideration for town!you?

[ulyana]

seems kind of obvious?

? if town!infinity, why would she worry that arguments she is making were similar to arguments she made when she was mafia?

like if town she knows she is making the argument without knowledge of gamma's alignment in this case, right, so she'd now have realized that the argument she was making that she presumably believes in was similar to one she made that she did not believe in on account of being mafia so she stopped?

this does not make a lot of sense to me

[ulyana]

i think the more relevant thing is that gamma was mafia in this situation

right but infinity knew gamma was mafia, so it is like,

what is the worry of making a similar argument? tying herself to gamma? why would that be a consideration for town!infinity?

[ulyana]

i believe in them generally, but it made me feel like they don't apply to gamma. and importantly it felt different from when i try to defend town!gamma for similar reasons.

hm

[ulyana]

chirp chirp chirp

[ulyana]

The fact that the game started with the event voting immediately after confirmation phase, which scum cannot be expected to make a decision in the middle of, suggests to me that scum does not have to decide prior to the voting but sometime either during voting or after selection.

in radio buzz (also designed by morning tweet) i had an ability that needed to be used during the day so i assume this one to be similar, as that makes more sense to me than after voting has completed, so anytime prior to end of day is my working assumption

[ulyana]

I came into this expecting a meme game. Why you all making it so serious?

i feel like that's on you for having a bad expectation

[ulyana]

I want an apology for 829.

He can keep his vote if he thinks I'm scum but the all caps, lashing out accusation that I have done some great, game-irrelevant injustice to him by checking him on his gendered word/pronoun usage is bluntly unacceptable to me.

nah gamma it's this it's always this

[ulyana]

i don't really understand how prism replaces out as opposed to gamma is replaced ended up occurring here

[ulyana]

It's important to understand if it's malicious intent. I don't feel that anyone has crossed that line. We're human, we make mistakes.

non-apologies are malicious

[ulyana]

also just one thing i wanna make sure, everyone's agreeing that the throne is most likely an execution of some kind?

oh the throne of execution? yeah there's probably an execution involved

[ulyana]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[ulyana]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

[ulyana]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

I agree with leashing him in some form.... everything after the "who" part is where you lost me.

like it kinda feels like gamma possibly pushing me right now to explain him eliminating me if kingmaker,

[ulyana]

and the end goal of that is ... ?

? to have something to point to as reasoning for having eliminated me?

[ulyana]

and the end goal of that is ... ?

? to have something to point to as reasoning for having eliminated me?

why do you think I eliminate you over someone more presently causing me problems if I'm scum?

........................

[ulyana]

.................

[ulyana]

you are townreading those players

[ulyana]

you are townreading those players

I'm not townreading cephrir
like, cmon.

and you think scum!you would eliminate town!cephrir here over town!me if given the option?

[ulyana]

i don't know what you want from me. no one seems to want me to be alive. it is demoralizing. half of them have only played one game with me and i was scum in that game and they've very wisely observed that i seem similar in this game. i feel the only way i can overcome their perceptions is by flipping town at which point they will realize that i'm actually just good at imitating myself. so it seems like this game is a wash / a price i have to play in order to be able to actually play mafia with this group.

while i am not among those you refer to here as wanting to eliminate you, i think next minigame could be something entire different so the like, static view of things going forward maybe not as much of a worry here

[ulyana]

The majority of minigames are going to have to involve somebody dying, if not all of them

right but could be done in such a way that cephrir being scumread by certain players wouldn't stop him from feeling like he could play the game, is what i mean,

like if cephrir is town i am saying that maybe next minigame is something where the views of others maybe not as much of a worry, if that makes sense

[ulyana]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

He's been voting and pushing like 2/3 of the game at this point. In this universe why do u think he's setting up to kill u specifically?

it is kinda hard for me to find another reason for his push on me at that point as the happenings of the game so far would explain the "disconnect" he was talking about so it didn't really make sense to me outside of like, potentially the kingmaker thing, as it doesn't really seem like gamma emerald thought he would be able to get me chosen for the chair, based on comments after

[ulyana]

I believe Gamma is at L2.

Let's please keep in mind of the, state L1 and intention to hammer before EoD occurs, if it does.

would also be nice to leash gamma emerald to eliminate someone who is not me if the throne is a kingmaker type deal on account of this entire push feeling like it might be preemptively designed to explain him doing so

He's been voting and pushing like 2/3 of the game at this point. In this universe why do u think he's setting up to kill u specifically?

it is kinda hard for me to find another reason for his push on me at that point as the happenings of the game so far would explain the "disconnect" he was talking about so it didn't really make sense to me outside of like, potentially the kingmaker thing, as it doesn't really seem like gamma emerald thought he would be able to get me chosen for the chair, based on comments after

uh tbf it's kinda hard to find a reason for most of his pushes this game, which have been very mercurial
like idk why this logic applies to his vote on u especially
i don't think he actually thinks he would have been able to get prism flipped either ...?

timing of it i guess or maybe it just felt that way to me because directed towards me

[ulyana]

VOTE: ulyana

yeah? is this what we do when wagoned now

[ulyana]

Just because I'm wagoned doesn't mean I don't get to figure out who the baddies are, right?

was just noting that both you and gamma reached for this

but also

i'm not a baddie

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

I want to flip Uly and Dunn now.

can everyone just maybe talk to me instead of this

like

yeah

[ulyana]

I don't receive much from your posts to be honest. Some of your opinions and ideas come from a mindset that seems more survivalistic than solving.

okay well i'm town who would like to play future minigames and am not particularly strong at solving without information and currently your method of sorting me is flipping me so maybe try something else

[ulyana]

ok what do u think abt the fact that i just called u being defensive and survivalistic?

it's probably accurate but not mafia indicative, didn't really think you thought it was when applied to me

[ulyana]

Hi, have your thoughts changed on Gamma any? I believe you said it appeared like he was setting up to execute you and this is why you voted him, but doesn't that mean you shouldn't want him to be 'executed'? Correct me if I'm misremembering any of that.

it felt like he may have been, and the push on me felt like ungrounded and just to possibly explain future actions,

[ulyana]

You expect me to know your alignment to be town but that is unclear. Don't you think it's more productive for you to tell me your current POV of the game even if you're not confident in it?

did you ask for my point of view? ya know, before saying yeah i'd like to flip her?

i still think flipping gamma best, don't really get why dwlee feels like not solving in the way i am used to or their read of me but also doesn't really feel like mafia because of, would like toogeloo to stop memeing cause that always feels like mafia to me but i know oftentimes it isn't, skitter and gypyx feel towny, conversation dunn and sircakez were having in background early in game stuck in my head as noteworthy but dunno what to make of it,

I suppose what I'm getting at is that do you have any other reasons to suspect Gamma? Given your one reason right now is dependant on him potentially wanting to be voted.

that wasn't reason as much as possible explanation for behaviour, coupled with earlier self-voting

[ulyana]

Assuming you mean reaching for this means voting for you in an attempt at figuring you out, I don't know/recall whether Gamma did this. That you're personalizing an awful lot of posts leads me to trying to get a handle on you. I think you could artfully talk your way out of a basket of snakes, and your posting so far has been more about that rather than how the snakes got in the basket to begin with.

hm, now i am curious as to why you have this view of me with regards to the basket of snakes,

anyway i assume morning tweet rolled the snakes into the basket

[ulyana]

I think I've spotted a crumb in this post.

The 'right' is obviously referring to 'the customer is always right' meaning Toogeloo is a consumer of goods. Perhaps a firearms expert.

[ulyana]

please don't read too much into it -- not a Mafia metaphor.

nono i mean

why do you think i would be able to talk my way out of a basket of snakes?

as that generally isn't how i would describe myself and i don't really think others would really either? or at least they have not in the past?

so i wonder what gives you that impression

[ulyana]

I think Galron is afraid of doing something scummy.

One of Taly's earlier posts struck me that way too.

taly feels out of time sometimes

[ulyana]

taly feels out of time sometimes

but this more or less ~rand even though it feels like it should be indicative

[ulyana]

Okay. I don’t like how indecisive the particulars of your read on me are. You are saying I MAY be doing these things and it makes me scum. That doesn’t sit well with me. You can say I was testing the waters, that’s a legit thing I could see being mentioned. But being like “well maybe he was hoping to set up for a shot on me” is bad. Maybe there’s not a tangible difference?

i said the testing the waters thing also? to skitter, it just didn't seem that likely that scum!you would have thought that the testing the waters would gain traction, but perhaps i judged that incorrectly based on recent events lol

[ulyana]

shiki isn't usually this confident/even confrontational as scum

That’s the thing, her read on me is

not confrontational

, and I’m picking up on that. These things of “maybe” and “possibly” feel engineered to not step on people’s toes.
Although I’m having trouble telling what her post responding to me is saying

would like to see what the meta says about 'maybe' and 'possibly'

this still feels so ??? to me

like i am unsure that's why i say maybe that has nothing to do with confrontational or not

[ulyana]

VOTE: ulyana

also this is Not a good vote

would you describe me as

being able to artfully talk my way out of a basket of snakes?

[ulyana]

You’re holding back on taking a hard stance on my actions because you don’t want to set me (or someone else, but likely me) off against you
That’s the connection I see between your word choice and the idea that you’re being non-confrontational
I can look over other games and see how often you use those words if that’s what you’re saying by bringing up the meta though

i mean, i do not like upsetting people or being upset but that has nothing to do with alignment,

and i also say maybe a lot because i am often unsure like it has nothing to do with confrontation and you're just giving it a mafia reading here

[ulyana]

i mean, i do not like upsetting people or being upset but that has nothing to do with alignment,

like i think it's pretty easy to see what happened this game when thinking about my engagement so you saying i was 'disconnected' earlier felt ??? in a very unfair way

[ulyana]

VOTE: ulyana

also this is Not a good vote

would you describe me as

being able to artfully talk my way out of a basket of snakes?

i think it's a bizarre metaphor and not really, no

yeah that's kinda how i felt about it

[ulyana]

Okay
What about my original issue, that your game-related content was conspicuously missing? I don’t want to make a big deal about this, but at that time your last posts @me were basically saying “I think you’re a bad person IRL”. So I will admit I’m taking that personally but I think it is a factor in what I’m seeing, as you were more focused on the more personal aspect of the game than solving.
PEdit: okay I’m kinda glad you addressed some of my concerns before I did, it shows you’re probably genuinely trying to work this out.

i mean, if you think so, like someone every game scumreads me for that, skitter did in radio buzz,

i wasn't saying that but we can't talk about it anyway, so

[ulyana]

i mean, if you think so, like someone every game scumreads me for that, skitter did in radio buzz,

like i don't solve like everyone else and i have no idea how to change that and i am appreciative of those who are patient with me

[ulyana]

A chaotic attention span, like just now seeing this post in your ISO!

hm, why were you looking at toogeloo's iso?

[ulyana]

this kinda what i meant by out of time by the way

[ulyana]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Galron

toogeloo and gamma both move from dunnstral to galron; is the extent of your gamma read ‘gamma got spunk’?

[ulyana]

I think Gamma is town, yes. Pooky put the ultimatum in that we should wrap this day before page 70 and vote between Gamma and Galron. Ergo...

so you believed in the dunnstral vote?

[ulyana]

I think Gamma is town, yes. Pooky put the ultimatum in that we should wrap this day before page 70 and vote between Gamma and Galron. Ergo...

so you believed in the dunnstral vote?

but are now choosing due to ultimatum?

[ulyana]

so pra mim

[ulyana]

You’re HIGH if you don’t think SOMETHING hinky is going on with Galron. The timing of his vote on me makes ZERO sense.

???

you voted for galron two pages ago while saying you thought he was town

[ulyana]

That was directly after Pooky said it was between me and Galron. Galron meanwhile continued to call me town with minimal doubt, until the momentum was at a critical point where he couldn’t not vote me.

so you did exactly the same thing??

[ulyana]

pooky making me antsy

[ulyana]

Does someone have a meta-take?

dunnstral has felt more or less like this to me as both alignments

[ulyana]

in which case why the fuck didn’t he shift sooner?

neither of you did at what seemed like the expected time as others have pointed out

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

What are words for if no one listens, it's no use talking at all.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ulyana]

do you hear me? do you care?

[ulyana]

Why ask me about Saber in particular?

probably because saber is aggressively pushing gamma

[ulyana]

Uly

if we must abbreviate could we do ulya please

[ulyana]

hi

[ulyana]

i am so confused by the votes right now

[ulyana]

are we just hoping for the benefit mostly?

[ulyana]

are we just hoping for the benefit mostly?

I think I'm going to vote spare because it seems to me Gamma is just town. Is that what you're questioning?

i,

why gamma just town?

like ? no consideration to sabotage then ope pooky dead inevitable felt hmm

[ulyana]

I don't really understand the language that the benefit occurs after the game. I'm not sure how that helps. Do we get cake and ice cream or something?

for next event i assumed when i read it

[ulyana]

@ulyana

: I feel like the questioning you've been doing doesn't reflect so well in light of what the throne has been revealed to do. It feels like you've been trying to parse out feelings from people to determine who'd be a good choice for the chair. Can you explain your motives a bit?

@Saber

: I get how you thought my play was erratic in a way that felt tactical, but I can probably point to a few games where I've made sharp turns at critical moments as town. What I think I'm most interested in is your reads in general, because aside from your reads on me and Galron, those don't feel exactly clear rn. I've at least sussed out from your ISO that you TR Taly and ulyana.

@Dunnstral

: can you talk about why you've responded to certain things that you did and when you did so? I think that's the greatest bother for me about you currently.

@peta

: Let's take this from the top. I'm going to try to be more rational about being questioned. Do you still want answers to 359? Are there any other posts of yours you feel I've overlooked?

?? my motives are to find the baddies talking about something the baddies possibly informed about a good way to possibly identify like ……

[ulyana]

@ulyana

: I feel like the questioning you've been doing doesn't reflect so well in light of what the throne has been revealed to do. It feels like you've been trying to parse out feelings from people to determine who'd be a good choice for the chair. Can you explain your motives a bit?

@Saber

: I get how you thought my play was erratic in a way that felt tactical, but I can probably point to a few games where I've made sharp turns at critical moments as town. What I think I'm most interested in is your reads in general, because aside from your reads on me and Galron, those don't feel exactly clear rn. I've at least sussed out from your ISO that you TR Taly and ulyana.

@Dunnstral

: can you talk about why you've responded to certain things that you did and when you did so? I think that's the greatest bother for me about you currently.

@peta

: Let's take this from the top. I'm going to try to be more rational about being questioned. Do you still want answers to 359? Are there any other posts of yours you feel I've overlooked?

?? my motives are to find the baddies talking about something the baddies possibly informed about a good way to possibly identify like ……

so your intent was to see who took something in a wrong direction that suggested extra knowledge? That feels reasonable if my reading is right

where did you think my thoughts with regards to prism pooky taly came from ???

[ulyana]

@ulyana

: I feel like the questioning you've been doing doesn't reflect so well in light of what the throne has been revealed to do. It feels like you've been trying to parse out feelings from people to determine who'd be a good choice for the chair. Can you explain your motives a bit?

@Saber

: I get how you thought my play was erratic in a way that felt tactical, but I can probably point to a few games where I've made sharp turns at critical moments as town. What I think I'm most interested in is your reads in general, because aside from your reads on me and Galron, those don't feel exactly clear rn. I've at least sussed out from your ISO that you TR Taly and ulyana.

@Dunnstral

: can you talk about why you've responded to certain things that you did and when you did so? I think that's the greatest bother for me about you currently.

@peta

: Let's take this from the top. I'm going to try to be more rational about being questioned. Do you still want answers to 359? Are there any other posts of yours you feel I've overlooked?

?? my motives are to find the baddies talking about something the baddies possibly informed about a good way to possibly identify like ……

so your intent was to see who took something in a wrong direction that suggested extra knowledge? That feels reasonable if my reading is right

where did you think my thoughts with regards to prism pooky taly came from ???

early game i mean

[ulyana]

like can you explain what you were doing kinda absurd here

[ulyana]

that does track with what you said, yes
tbf those could have just been reads based on how willing they were to openly speculate too, they were the first ones to really express much thought at all on what the chair did
PEdit: what? I can't parse that last post

you’ve played with me before i simply do not understand how you came to the conclusion i was possibly trying to figure out what to do with the throne?? like i was either trying to find informeds or emulating how i would do so from your perspective if you’re town; who to choose with throne doesn’t require any questioning???

[ulyana]

and i also very much doubt the baddies knew during event 1 which is maybe town indicative for you hm

[ulyana]

and i also very much doubt the baddies knew during event 1 which is maybe town indicative for you hm

kinda easy tho

[ulyana]

and i also very much doubt the baddies knew during event 1 which is maybe town indicative for you hm

Pretty sure scum know about the events. It at least says that scum knew "more" about them than is revealed to everyone

that means scum knows about the current event not the next one

[ulyana]

so probably knew it was not an elimation not exactly what it did

[ulyana]

right because the opportunity to sabotage has to be communicated to them somehow so i assume that’s all on an event by event basis

[ulyana]

in advance doesn’t really make any sense

[ulyana]

why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?

[ulyana]

quick ask the scums if they know what the benefit is

[ulyana]

why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?

not sure, it's possible she did so that scum could plan around it a little bit

that would be the knowing it was not an elimination or even that it was potentially beneficial i assume

[ulyana]

why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?

not sure, it's possible she did so that scum could plan around it a little bit

that would be the knowing it was not an elimination or even that it was potentially beneficial i assume

why are you assuming these things

because giving the information about the second event during the first doesn’t make sense when you then have to give it again to say would you like to sabotage this event? here’s what would happen et cetera

[ulyana]

my thinking the entire time has been scum knew it was a kingmaker vote, with strong belief they also knew about the vote to execute or spare the executioner afterwards. I don't believe they knew about the reward for sparing a town executioner, but I do think they know what the reward is now.

so you thought this and didn’t think OH!!!!!! when they killed pooky????

[ulyana]

why?? like why would morning tweet reveal the second event to the mafias beforehand?

not sure, it's possible she did so that scum could plan around it a little bit

that would be the knowing it was not an elimination or even that it was potentially beneficial i assume

why are you assuming these things

because giving the information about the second event during the first doesn’t make sense when you then have to give it again to say would you like to sabotage this event? here’s what would happen et cetera

I would think they would give the sabotage information at the same time

regardless i don't think we can rule out this possibility and speculating on it isn't super helpful

so you think the mafia had the information about sabotaging the second event during the first event?

[ulyana]

The second event was really just a continuation of the first one. What do you think sabotaging the first event would have done? Skip the vote? I don't think that makes sense

all of the events are continuations of game, yes

i dunno what sabotaging the first would have done beyond probably worded in a way that mafia would almost definitely not want to

[ulyana]

I don't think they had sabo info for the second event for the first event, I think each sabo only applies to what's going on at the time
the first event sabo was probably some way to deny someone the chair, whether it be by killing them or just veto'ing the vote.

right but you said you think the mafia knew it was a kingmaker yes? and then when pooky was killed, this would be obvious explanation to you, yes? because pooky speculated at length about exactly this? but then this did not factor into any of your further thought with regards to who to choose???

[ulyana]

I think killing someone for having an accurate guess as to one event would be premature. And like, Pooky only guessed at the kingmaker, not the "mercy or genocide" (I'm calling it that because honestly that feels more right than "execute or spare") vote afterward.

??? you think scum!pooky would have possibly accurately guessed the event in that situation? like you did not think of that as clearing when thinking about who to vote before pooky was killed?

[ulyana]

2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that.

so you also did not think, OH! pooky!town when reading the second event??

[ulyana]

2. Pooky was the first townie (assuming he is) to accurately predict the kingmakwe utility and the scum hated that.

so you also did not think, OH! pooky!town when reading the second event??

and even post pooky being killed did not go, ah!, okay i see ?

[ulyana]

i don't think pooky was killed because of mech spec lol


although he is shockingly good at guessing the twists in these roller coaster ride games


he was killed because he was highly motivated and obvious town who is capable of dominating a thread and often has good reads

it's an obvious and boring answer and i don't know that there's a lot of insight to be gleaned from it

i am not speculating as to why pooky was killed as much as people's perceptions of it;

like do you not think pooky was more or less confirmed by the mech spec? even if you already thought was town?

and like gamma is saying that he believes the mafia knew in advance of the kingmaker, so would have to assume that scum!pooky with knowledge of this would not have posted it like that right?

[ulyana]

Or a town PR will be executed.

?

[ulyana]

i feel like i have too many townreads, this always happens and idk what to do

hm,

[ulyana]

Spoiler: 4 pooky ONLY

[ulyana]

i keep reading things and just cant will myself to think about it

what do you generally do to be townread when the lights are off?

[ulyana]

I just realized we don't know what alignment Pooky and Cepheir were. I just assumed they were both town lol.

do you think they are equally likely to be town?

[ulyana]

In that Among Us game, you said something about feeling frustrated when people don't even acknowledge you when you give reads. I kind of feel like that with this game, but I've really given no reads. It seems people aren't understanding why I don't have reads. In fact, I've picked up more reads from the two after events than from Day 1.

Ulyana doesn't seem right to me. When I was in the PT with her in Radio Buzz, we were mind melding quite a bit. Here, though, I can't see where she's coming from. The doubts she's expressing about Gamma don't jibe with me. It irritates me because I want to town read her. I don't see her identifying patterns like she was in RB, and that's part of it.

hm,

Did not click on the spoiler out of respect.

since you were respectful,

Spoiler: click if galron

here's us this game:

this time will be different

• • • • this time?

[ulyana]

i hope you're town so i don't get accused of that post being scum theater

you think dwlee about to be flipped or…?

[ulyana]

hm, anyone feeling any different about the spare now?

[ulyana]

Not feeling Gamma's vote but I'm still glad we took the potential benefit.

any guess as to what the benefit may be here?

[ulyana]

I'd drop Peta, Ydra, and Dunn all down a tier.

so you both think... sircakez is definitely town here?

[ulyana]

Nah, I actually have several more changes I'd make with Gamma's list, I just only said those.

hm, why did that one seem not important to mention? i am wondering because it is very very much not in line with any of your posted views towards cakez as far as i can tell

[ulyana]

Yeah pretty much
I feel like I’m pretty good at tone reading Cakez, as I’ve said before.

okay how do you feel about taly noting other disagreements with your list but ignoring that one even though taly has mentioned multiple times cakez being suspicious/in poe?

[ulyana]

It just reads as he considered those the most egregious reads in my list. I can deem a read list acceptable while having nitpicks with it.

so you think dunn peta and ydra should be one tier lower would be more egregious to taly than 'we should trust until the ends of the earth'-ing someone taly has previously expressed heavy suspicion of?

[ulyana]

The majority of minigames are going to have to involve somebody dying, if not all of them

right but could be done in such a way that cephrir being scumread by certain players wouldn't stop him from feeling like he could play the game, is what i mean,

like if cephrir is town i am saying that maybe next minigame is something where the views of others maybe not as much of a worry, if that makes sense

Do you think this is a still a possibility? How?

i mean, i do not think it is possible that cephrir can be engaged in this event in a way he was unable to be by the first one due to having been eliminated

but! i assume you are asking if it is a possibility for you due to finding yourself in a similar position with regards to stated reads of certain members of the thread

and! if you do feel like you definitely going to end up in the duel here than campaigning for who you think is definitely a scums to end up in the duel with you makes sense as town right even if you feel like you cannot impact those reads but like, it's very early in this event,

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

I don't recall whether I addressed this. Talking yourself out of basket of snakes was me saying that you are so flexible in your thinking and awareness that you would find a way to cleanly escape a dangerous situation. As applied to mafia, it's just words that we have, and whether you're town or not, your abilities would be effective.

i guess from my experience, it feels far more likely to me that i would talk my way into the basket of snakes than out of it? like i often have a lot of difficulty communicating effectively and sometimes i cause disasters which i have been working very hard about avoiding when possible, so it felt like a very weird description of me to me

[ulyana]

If you're talking a gladiate type event, I had considered that, but I don't know how that would work unless it's the next event following this.

curious as to what you think duel to the death entails here then

[ulyana]

I can appreciate that, but if you recall, Indiana Jones essentially talked himself into a snake pit, and he was deft enough to figure a way out.

i was unable to make it very far into my only attempt at watching these films

though i do refer to both the five cost ranger and the 4/6 heal to full as indy jones internally so i am aware of cultural things regarding

[ulyana]

If you're talking a gladiate type event, I had considered that, but I don't know how that would work unless it's the next event following this.

curious as to what you think duel to the death entails here then

It would need to be lmited to "these two players are the candidates for execution; you may not vote for anyone either than one of them"

is this not what gladiate means

[ulyana]

like i get that our duel as presented is not exactly that but... it seems close enough to qualify as gladiate type event?

like if i found it likely i would end up chosen i would want to have an active input into who i was dueling gladiator style, and also angling for gun first or gun second, et cetera

[ulyana]

I don't know what gun first or gun second goes to, I'm unfamiliar. But yes, it appears this is ending in a gladiate.

the gun goes to the player with the second most votes first; we should give more consideration to this once we have chosen two players

so!!

we should definitely be playing today very slowly

[ulyana]

Want to join my cause,

Galron

?

Your cause of pressuring Cakez?

i assumed taly meant voting dunnstral

[ulyana]

I'm extremely frustrated. I feel like I'm playing a completely different game, and I'm getting angry. At myself for not seeing what others are.

i often feel this way so i can certainly relate to this frustration; and i think maybe others feel like i am often playing a completely different game as well which can probably be frustrating to them also,

but thinking about myself in these situations i sometimes cause disasters and othertimes get extremely lost on my own,

so now maybe i am more understanding why earlier you may have been reaching for skitter and i, hm,

[ulyana]

I'm extremely frustrated. I feel like I'm playing a completely different game, and I'm getting angry. At myself for not seeing what others are.

i often feel this way so i can certainly relate to this frustration; and i think maybe others feel like i am often playing a completely different game as well which can probably be frustrating to them also,

but thinking about myself in these situations i sometimes cause disasters and othertimes get extremely lost on my own,

so now maybe i am more understanding why earlier you may have been reaching for skitter and i, hm,

i guess maybe you could try saying,

i feel

this way

about

x

, does this make sense? if not, why?

pretty often i rely on this to try to make sense of things that i feel i am very far from others about but it can be hard to trust in those answering also for obvious reasons so you want to spread the weight amongst the thread so you know at least some of the help is coming from town,

[ulyana]

the mercy-or-genocide part

can we not on this

[ulyana]

as town

hm, how do galron's recent interactions with me feel to you,

[ulyana]

to be townread

hm, how do galron's recent interactions with me feel to you,

[ulyana]

thankyou +)

[ulyana]

so, i should speculate here

this seems most likely sabotage to me as well, though mafia would be heavily pushing for town/town pairing or! to have the gun if they know how it works to avoid having to use their final sabotage if so

[ulyana]

as town

hm, how do galron's recent interactions with me feel to you,

keeps making me feel like galron is town tbh

thankyou as well

[ulyana]

uh, we know that one of the nominees will die,

[ulyana]

hm, but one of the duelists dies, so we should just be aiming for s/s

[ulyana]

we should

try to choose two scums

because we know one of the chosen will die

[ulyana]

like that's how we bend it to town's will

[ulyana]

But like, what sort of wolfy people should we put into the duel? Should we put in two people who seem similar or two that are different levels of wolfy (lurkscum, deepwolf, powerwolf are the main categories I can come up with)?

we should put the wolfiest into the duel? and probably give the gun to the less wolfy of the two??

what do you currently think

the benefit we got may be?

[ulyana]

So beware that probably.

i will state again that today should be played very very slowly and noone should be putting anyone to e-1 et cetera

[ulyana]

I think it will be more clear whether we've received a benefit when we know more about the event.

so you'd default to gamma being exempt from duel to determine after if we've received benefit?

hm, i think this makes some sense, though if gamma is a scums that leaves only 3 for us to hit 2 within with other choices

[ulyana]

How do we get 2 wolves into the duel? The person with the majority goes in, then the second majority goes in. The odds of both being wolves is like near zero considering a third of us are wolves.

we discuss at length and refuse to put two players who may be individually scummy but unlikely to be partnered together

like does anyone thing unwnd and peta are both mafia here? so they should obviously not be chosen together

[ulyana]

like does anyone thing unwnd and peta are both mafia here? so they should obviously not be chosen together

*think

[ulyana]

If you don't feel particularly convinced about Cakez skitter you could weigh in on the other subjects on Gamma's wagon for me

it is weird that you are weighting the gamma wagon towards scum when a) your slot was on the wagon and more importantly b) your slot was the opposing wagon

[ulyana]

All the more reason to look into the wagon given that I know I'm town and two other slots have flipped green as well. When I said 'probably two' that's just guesstimate and not a definitive number. If you believe my counter-wagon was because I was the correct one then do you think Gamma's wagon was mostly town motivated?

so you know three town were on the wagon so you think it is more likely the other slots are not town? like more than the people who were voting for you? i was voting for gamma? why would i believe your counter-wagon was the correct one? cephrir and pooky were town and i am town so there was town motivation to the gamma wagon yes

[ulyana]

Yes there's something fucky going with this game and I don't want you to sit here and conclude I'm only trying to save Galron from a red flip

you are galron? what?

[ulyana]

You agreed with Skitter that I should be focusing on Galron's wagon instead?

it seems more likely that town!you would focus on sorting the players voting your slot to find mafias then focusing on the opposing wagon which contained town that you are aware of like it's a very odd approach

[ulyana]

You agreed with Skitter that I should be focusing on Galron's wagon instead?

it seems more likely that town!you would focus on sorting the players voting your slot to find mafias then focusing on the opposing wagon which contained town that you are aware of like it's a very odd approach

When I look at VCA it almost always focusing on the biggest wagon. I don't care about the counter-wagon until after a few more slots from the bigger one have flipped.

right but this is weird when you yourself are the counter-wagon yes? like to be like, there's scum over there, on that other wagon that also contained me and two towns i am aware of, let me go find them instead of evaluating my wagon

[ulyana]

right but this is weird when you yourself are the counter-wagon yes? like to be like, there's scum over there, on that other wagon that also contained me and two towns i am aware of, let me go find them instead of evaluating my wagon

especially since it is going back in time to do so? instead of current wagons,

[ulyana]

ngl I think the opposite might be advisable: we put in two people who are very likely SvT, and we end up with either dead scum or a solid lead on one

mm, i do not understand how this would be advisable

[ulyana]

ngl I think the opposite might be advisable: we put in two people who are very likely SvT, and we end up with either dead scum or a solid lead on one

mm, i do not understand how this would be advisable

like we need to eliminate the scums right now

like

right now

not sometime in the future or whatever we've already missed a stage and the getting the eliminations through is obviously very difficult in this game right

[ulyana]

If Saber flips scum at any point in this game she's not scum with Dunnstral based on something I just read

You can consider that vice-versa

hm,

[ulyana]

If Saber flips scum at any point in this game she's not scum with Dunnstral based on something I just read

You can consider that vice-versa

hm,

any chance you could share the thing you are basing this on

[ulyana]

Not gonna lie I felt very cold about the people who were here talking with me.

? you said you were evaluating gamma's wagon and i presented an opportunity for you to do so as i was on that wagon right and this is the first you seem to have any opinion about my alignment anywhere and it is 'felt cold interacting but may be town'?

[ulyana]

If scum knew the chair was going to be used to make executions, shouldn't we be looking for people who tried to prevent Gamma from getting the chair, not the ones trying to give him the chair, assuming he is town?

I think being for or against me being in the chair is irrelevant, what’s more important is how they approached me. If I was reading solely based on that I feel like Ulyana would definitely look the worst. When I started expressing suspicion towards her her immediate paranoia was that I was angling to take a shot on her. Obviously that wasn’t the case, this wasn’t a game where I could just do that.

do you really think scum!you's first plan of action after i expressed that it felt like you may have been angling to shoot me would be to publicly shoot me (with the after the sabotage shot i assume)? like i don't understand

[ulyana]

You agreed with Skitter that I should be focusing on Galron's wagon instead?

it seems more likely that town!you would focus on sorting the players voting your slot to find mafias then focusing on the opposing wagon which contained town that you are aware of like it's a very odd approach

Eh, I think this rote expectation of what a player should do is kinda banal
I’ll dive into this later as part of something else but for now just know I don’t think reading a played for what the should be doing is a great look

so you think it is common for a player to replace into a slot go find wagons from the past to start their search for scums and start with the wagon they were on that they know to have contained two other towns when they were the opposing wagon? that doesn't seem at all strange to you?

[ulyana]

But like, neither of us could have really known that was an option during D1?

but you think mafia had access to this information as you said previously when we discussed it, thus

you know i am town?

[ulyana]

What do you think unwnd!scum hopes to accomplish by immediately hunting scum on the counterwagon to him?

come in active recenter discussion could be any number of angles within that, since you think strange should not be equated with scummy, how did you feel about unwnd's responses to this strangeness being pointed out? did you feel they sufficiently explained the strangeness of the approach in a non-scummy way?

[ulyana]

But like, neither of us could have really known that was an option during D1?

but you think mafia had access to this information as you said previously when we discussed it, thus

you know i am town?

I think mafia knew the chair was an execution D1, not that they’d have knowledge they could unilaterally eject someone from the game
I already specified my theory was the advance knowledge was for events and not sabotages

? the event was to unilaterally eject someone from the game

like that's what you did yes? you unilaterally ejected cephrir from the game?

[ulyana]

Yes but with the knowledge that I would be judged for it

mmmmmmmmmmm

what i'm saying here is like,

if you think mafia had this information, you would think that i knew it was an option for you to eliminate me like so when i was speculating about you potentially angling to do so?

right?

but you say there is no way either of us could have had that information,

which makes me feel like that is not something you are considering even though you just recently again drew attention to my previous speculation

[ulyana]

but you say there is no way either of us could have had that information,

I mean the part about the sabotage, we couldn’t have known about

i guess i do not understand why it would matter if neither of us could have known about the sabotage if you think mafia had knowledge of the unilateral elimination,

like i speculate about you potentially angling to do so,

you then gain the ability to do so,

later you say you would have just killed me with the sabotage if i was a problem but there's no way either of us could have known about that

but it's like, i still would have had knowledge of your ability to eliminate me if i was mafia from your point of view,

so it feels like you're thinking of me as town while presenting something else

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

It ain't me

time on ur side

[ulyana]

Has Shiki ever been scum

mini normal 2122 (as team rocket queen)
gacha mafia (as shiki)
a normal blitz ii (as shiki)
chain of command (as euphony {hydra})
student council (as tracy flick)
trist fall (as inutile)

these probably(?) the most applicable

[ulyana]

Will look into the most recent at another time

from bottom up would be sorted by recency

[ulyana]

[ulyana]

I think Ydrasse as mafia will start the game off strong but over time lose drive, and then you realize their posting is just fluffy but not filled with very hard analysis

do you think this description of your expectation of scum!ydrasse lines up with taly’s play this game? and would you have a similar expectation of scum!taly?

[ulyana]

you had said it was maybe town indicative in 1301?

One thing to consider is 1301 was during event 1, when we had very little to go on

how would this be applicable in this situation?

[ulyana]

is lackluster so town! a while later was lackluster back then so mafia!

doesn’t feel like us having little to go on would be a factor?

[ulyana]

wait what

[ulyana]

whose consensus

[ulyana]

it feels like something is happening here

[ulyana]

like how does gamma see gypyx voting toogeloo in this situation and think ah now there we go that’s consensus