Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams - Over

[Darox]

Vote: MafiaSSK

Lurker scum, we should lynch him guys.

He even admits to this foul behavior in his wiki.

[Darox]

Unvote

Vote: hp [leaves]

Why aren't you voting for MafiaSSK?

As a matter of fact, why aren't all of you voting for MafiaSSK?

[Darox]

Yeah, fuck that. Just saying, policy lynch survivors on sight. You will be glad you did it, even if they are survivors.

This is why noone likes playing survivour roles.

By the way, we need to lynch MafiaSSK.

He's lurkerscum.

[Darox]

He has a history of being replaced and lurking, and even admits to it in his wiki.

I'm a lurker. =D That's my playstyle and if you don't like it then I guess you don't. But that's how I play.

Clearly this devient needs to be lynched asap.

[Darox]

In my experience, policy lynching MafiaSSK is

always

the best option.

Wait, sorry, I take it back.

It's the second best option. Best option is to policy lynch Lord Gurgi.

[Darox]

Because he kills the funny.

He threw the game for town by giving control of his vote to scum in the odds, and he tried to daykill pooky in Meta Upick2.

[Darox]

Is a policy lynch actually being considered?

No, I'm pretty sure this was Darox setting up to trap scum on a policy wagon. Its a good trick, it just loses a lot of value between uses.

It does depend a lot on the people playing as well.

[Darox]

Hmm, on second thought...

Unvote;Vote: Natirasha

Re-FOS Cybele

You missed this from before Tar

Fos: hp [leaves]

The reasoning for my vote of Natirasha is because I currently believe that his role is that of Survivor Hunter/Scum, and that he wants to achieve his survivor hunter win condition because he doesn't feel he achieve his scum win condition.

I intend to

bus

him to at least a full role claim, and none of this partial BS, and depending on his answers decide if I would also like to push for his lynch. Any assistance from the rest of the town would be appreciated.

Oops?

Unvote, Vote: Kinetic

Works for me.

[Darox]

Hey new people.

Did you know Kinetic is a very good wagon and that I strongly endorse it?

[Darox]

Hey new people.

Did you know Kinetic is a very good wagon and that I strongly endorse it?

This coming from a guy who's only evidence can best be explained by the reliance of someone else to be scum.

Congrats on lurking -.-;;;.

I'm pretty awesome like that.

[Darox]

Of course, are we considering races 'Factions'?

My Pm alerts me to the existance of three seperate factions, one of which is mine, and three races.

Technically, because I know all races have a win condition where they win if only members of that race are alive, and I know the win conditions of two of the factions, I know five win conditions.

[Darox]

Oh and, I don't know how you can not know which faction is town, because I was explicitly which faction is known as the "town" faction.

[Darox]

1. There is no town in this game.

Oh, ok.

Wait, what?

Oh and, I don't know how you can not know which faction is town, because I was explicitly told which faction is known as the "town" faction.

Unvote, Vote Natirasha

[Darox]

What is Kinetics plan other than we should all claim races and not try to fulfil our race win conditions?

[Darox]

I'd like to stand up right now and say Kinetic's race plan has a huge gaping flaw in it.

He's making at least two incorrect assumptions.

[Darox]

Name them.

One is who needs to be eliminated for a racial victory, and the other is that every player has a racial win condition.

By the way, Minarbi don't need to kill Narn to win.

[Darox]

Hey, ho, lets go.

I don't think the race claim is going to have the effect Kinetic thinks it will.

[Darox]

Kinetic, you're pushing the race claim way too much. Why do you want it so badly? I haven't you do a single thing to hunt scum. All you've done is comment amount events and defend your big 'plan'.

Unvote, Vote Kinetic

Guys, make sure you're voting Kinetic because you

actually

think he's scum. There's a world of difference between being Not Helpful and being scum. Don't lose sight of the object of the game.

He's right.

Kinetic's plan may not be the key to the universe, but it doesn't mean he's scum.

[Darox]

Darox wrote:
Hey, ho, lets go.

I don't think the race claim is going to have the effect Kinetic thinks it will.


And without elaborating at all. Grats! You've just received a whole lot of new information, yet your stance hasn't changed at all.

Suspicious?

How does still disagreeing with your plan equate to being suspicous?

You defending him helps. But it isn't disagreeing with the plan that makes him suspicious. Its disagreeing at first because (I'm assuming) he didn't receive a race in his PM. Then returning after the mod confirmed he received new information and then not adding ANYTHING to the conversation.

He throws in a vague "It won't do what Kinetic thinks it will". First, he doesn't know what I think it will do, second he gives no details about why it wouldn't, even if he knew the first part.

It reeks of scum.

Actually, I received two races.
Ah hah. Ah hah. Ah hah.

As for "I don't know what you think it will do" what about these?

First off, EVERYONE has a racial WC. This WC has nothing to do with the faction/alignment WC. By bringing them out into the open we can use them AGAINST their intended purpose. Their intended purpose was to bring about chaos in the town. For that reason ALONE we should all be for a race claim. The fact is, I have figured out something else, and I refuse to reveal that to you.

I do not endorse the race claim as it will have the exact opposite effect Kinetic is saying it will.

As people die we'll learn their race. What will happen when Centauri find that, its true that the town is losing, but if they find ONE MORE NARN they can win? What will happen when any race does that? What if this boils down to a race war? Keeping the races secret, that is what this will become. Doing a race claim when there is an imbalance of power is what this will become. While the races are all balanced is the ONLY time a race claim can have any effect. Once there is a death, everything goes out the window unless we stop it, here and now.

So were you just lying when you said these, or are they just a smokescreen?

I'm sorry, but suspecting me because I don't follow the divine faith of your grand master scheme is really stretching.

Plus I love the "He said I wasn't being scummy so he's totally going to nightkill me" line you threw in there.

[Darox]

So were you just lying when you said these, or are they just a smokescreen?

I'm sorry, but suspecting me because I don't follow the divine faith of your grand master scheme is really stretching.

Plus I love the "He said I wasn't being scummy so he's totally going to nightkill me" line you threw in there.

One, the proof is in the pudding. Those will come true if there is no claim. Two, there is more to it then that... That part you don't know so how can you know if it will work?

I'm not suspecting you because you doubt the plan, although with all the information that is out there, I find that very difficult. I suspect you because I've yet to hear a SINGLE claim on how this would negatively effect the town that was not complete rubbish. You say you don't support it, but you give no reasons to back yourself up. No evidence to the contrary. The best you have is... well, what?

Yet despite that, you are being stubborn for stubborn sake. All I see is you digging your feet in the sand going "I don't wanna!"...

Negative effect like make the game all about what race someone is rather than whether they are scum or not?

"We can't lynch him, if we lynch him there will only be one Bab-5 left and then XYZ can kill him and win!

Not to mention it gives a hitlist to anyone who has a race headhunter objective. Hell, it gives a hitlist to anyone with a kill ability who feels like scoring a racial victory.

You say it'll stop people from trying to achieve racial victories. This could not be further from the truth.
Without any knowledge of who has what race, people CANNOT focus on their racial win conditions because they don't know who is of that race. They would be taking stabs in the dark and it would be much more profitable for them to focus on their other win conditions, because the racial win is more likely to come through chance and it is better to focus on more tangible goals.

But if you suddenly give everybody full knowledge of who has what race, this all changes. Going for a racial victory isn't a shot in the dark because everyone has handy shopping lists of all the people they need to kill to win. Regardless of their alternate win conditions they will always be striving for their racial win condition whenever they make an action, because they can premeditate the effects and advantages of killing someone of an opposing race.

Massclaiming races will divide the town and create tension whenever someone of a certain race dies, especially when that race is getting thinned out. I don't want this game to get that racist.

It's a bad idea.

[Darox]

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. Can you and your associates arrange this for me, Mr. Morden?"

Welcome to Babylon 5 Mafia: Severed Dreams,

RandomGem

. You are

Vir Cotto

. As an idealistic, if naive, Centauri, you've decided to help in the fight to save Babylon 5.

You are a

Army of Light/Centauri Member

. You have no special abilities.

You win if you fulfill any one (1) of the following win conditions:

Army of Light Win Condition: All Shadow Operatives and Vorlon Operatives must die.

Centauri Win Condition: All Narn and League of Unaligned Worlds players must die.

Please confirm via return PM.

The "All Shadow Operatives" part makes it pretty clear that there is a Shadow group of some kind.

[Darox]

"I am not a threat at all to the town even though I am not a member of it. Also I am going to win the game before the town."

Sounds like a good lynch candidate to me.

Unvote, Vote Hp [leaves]

[Darox]

Actually I can win the game no matter alive or dead. Me dying this day does nothing good or bad to me. But I can help

you

only while I'm alive.

I'm pretty sure this line is bullshit.

Because otherwise, it would be impossible for the Army of Light to win the game as a unified faction.

[Darox]

Just to make sure nobody missed it (I usually answer questions by editing the post where the question is posed): The game ends when a win condition is fulfilled unless that win condition explicitly says otherwise. A faction need not be alive to fulfill its win condition

unless that win condition explicitly says otherwise.

Giant text emphasis mine.

[Darox]

Let me connect the dots for you.

Nat claimed he is a shadow killer, and wins when all Shadows die, regardless of his mortal state.

Hp claimed the same thing, except for Vorlons, and wins when all the etc etc etc.

If both of these are true, that means it would be physically impossible for the town (Army of Light) to achieve it's win condition of killing both Vorlons and Shadows because as soon as one group died one of hp or nat would win.

I don't think Tar would give the town a physically impossible win condition.
As such, I think hp and nat are lying and that they either need to do more than simply kill their respective groups or they need to be alive when their respect groups get finished off.

[Darox]

Name them.

One is who needs to be eliminated for a racial victory, and the other is that every player has a racial win condition.

By the way, Minarbi don't need to kill Narn to win.

Moderator Note: Your moderator made an error when sending Darox his role PM (due to sending an older version of the PM). I apologize for the confusion. - Tar

From these two posts it should be abundantly clear that I am Minarbi.

[Darox]

If I'm right, purple monkeys are going to invade the station and win the game for us.
I'm pretty sure the above is the best theorycrafting this game has seen yet.

[Darox]

It's actually kind of sad.

[Darox]

Bah, curse GMT+12

[Darox]

I will say this now: you are EXTREMELY lucky that the game didn't end on Day 1, given what the Cult's win condition actually was.

Yeah.

Damn alarm clock not waking me up so I could do something stupid like claim I was actually earthforce and lying or claim survivor to debunk the KoC lynch and win the game.

[Darox]

The cult seemed pretty imbalanced to me.

The only reason I didn't win day one was because I slept in past the deadline.