Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Toogeloo]

Good evening to you all. I'm not going to overspeculate, but I'm going to at least assume scum didn't go crazy with their role picks. I'm VT which means I'm just along for the ride this game. Titus' got her team she wants, Nancy's got their team of Masons they want, other peeps got some juicy powerz probably, and then me... stuck in the middle twiddlin' my thumbs.

Wait... Why's this feel so familiar? Pooky, I'm having déjà vu!?!

[Toogeloo]

If you must know, I googled "Déjà vu" and copy pasta'd. My entrance is also more or less identical to Pooky v Flava, the only other vs. game I've participated in.

[Toogeloo]

I think a tear was shed at least, BM.

[Toogeloo]

I think the people who think I'm scum should y'all to run a wagon up on me and force me to claim.

If we have a big, it is their solemn duty to kill me Night 4.

[Toogeloo]

Vig*

[Toogeloo]

Titus, if day ended right now, who you night killin'?

[Toogeloo]

Ircher feels very tonally different from his townmeta. No crank, no snark, all politics.

No quote walls...

[Toogeloo]

Jesus... I'm not reading 25 pages that came in less than 18 hours. Someone catch me up to speed.

[Toogeloo]

So... pretty much just a metric shit-ton of noise today?

[Toogeloo]

I'm legit begging here. Can we please not do 30+ pages a day?

[Toogeloo]

I didn't realize those benedict cumberpatch gifs were of sherlock holmes (or that he played him at all), I thought clidd just really liked the guy

s

I mean that's obviously Dr. Steven Strange and Agent Everett Ross.

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Seriously though, is there anything worth noting that happened since page 11? Anything people want me to go back and get a take on?

[Toogeloo]

If the game slows down by the time I get back on later, I'll probably go back and skim through. Finishing lunch, and back to work soon though.

[Toogeloo]

Coasting Day 1 is one of my favorite pastimes. I'm a Creature of habit, and certain ways I play. Dominance is definitely not my strong suit, especially Day 1.

[Toogeloo]

shush everyone I'm not done talking. wait in the corner while I finish.

Can you maybe do it all in one post?

[Toogeloo]

Battle Mage and Batsu wants me dead. Batsu wants to lim Battle Mage now and if Batsu is wrong, they can die tomorrow.

Hang on... I'm trying to find a flaw in this plan from my perspective.

[Toogeloo]

Reading up... On page 50 at the moment. Something something Battle Mage... Something something E-4.

One thing I've noticed is the amount of people who feel like they get to have some say/part in whether a lim happens, like they feel like it can only happen with their blessing. I see this game as everyone is just pawns, and we have no real say in anything. We just do as our stumps want us to.

[Toogeloo]

Im a mason.

Dude...

[Toogeloo]

Got to page 58. Getting bored. The game pages keep adding up. Makes me sad.

[Toogeloo]

Am I supposed to be voting someone right now, Nancy?

[Toogeloo]

What are your current reads?

Ha
Hahahahaha
Hahaha
...
...heh...

[Toogeloo]

Who do you think is scum?

Titus.

[Toogeloo]

I'll probably be more useful when the game slows down. I'm a bit over gamed at the moment, but I'll put my vote where ever you want it, Nancy.

[Toogeloo]

Who do you think is scum?

Titus.

Who did she recruit?

With no reads what so ever, and only using what I think of Titus as a person and who she's want to play with...

mastina
Dunnstral
clidd
Penguin
Battle Mage
Maybe Pooky?

Don't trust my choices though. I have paid very little attention to this game.

Believe it or not, I actually only signed up at Samantha's behest lol.

[Toogeloo]

I haven't read like 20 pages, what did Saudade do?

[Toogeloo]

I haven't read like 20 pages, what did Saudade do?

Well he tried to push elims on 3 of my tr and insisted I was wrong and “average” when I vehemently disagreed with him on one of his pushes and tried to undermine me as town stump, despite my knowing things he obviously couldn’t.

Yeah, I just Iso'd them. Yikes.

Off topic. For some reason I keep reading Noraa as Buttsunami.

[Toogeloo]

My vote is Nancy's today. I have no right to it with as little contributions I've made.

[Toogeloo]

toog is back in the scum pile.

Was I ever out of it?

[Toogeloo]

e-3 actually cuz Titus' vote doesn't count

ok then VOTE: battle mage

~mitsuba

I got an email saying the game was in Day 2...
And there's been 12 more pages of posts in 2 hours.

My vote still belongs to Nancy given current events.

[Toogeloo]

Not entirely sure why that goct quoted.

[Toogeloo]

Could one of Tiyus' rules be that Night 1 was skipped? I'm not sure why she'd want that as a rule, but that's probably be my guess if no town is coming forward with it. Plus it seems like it would be an easier rule to have instead of a player needing to make that choice on the fly.

[Toogeloo]

It's time for me to take a real life night phase. At least my biggest fear is eliminated. No flawless win for Nancy.

You both lost your bet too since you didn't kill a Mason Night 1.

[Toogeloo]

Nancy, I got some scum reads. I'm finally getting into the game. I've still glossed over at least half of it, but I'm kind of just watching people play, and taking some notes.

First, Gamma. Their gameplay is extremely safe. Most of their posts are just engaging in conversation already happening. They might drop a tidbit of casing here or there, but it's done in a safe manner that garners little to no attention. I feel like Gamma is trying to stay almost invisible while looking active and participating. This is generally scummy from my point of view. I don't think I've seen Gamma actually make pushes of their own.

Second, 5uffering. In quite the contrast, to the other read, I see 5uffering's play as "busywork." They are going through the motions of making a big deal about their solves, but there's actually nothing really there. Like smoke and mirrors. This kind of behavior is to generally cast a large net of information out there and see what other players pick up on. I don't think I've 5uffering have a thread in that net they've wanted to vehemently pursue, and instead keeps it as open to possibilities as possible.

[Toogeloo]

If we can't big a player, they probably should be the lynch option for the day as well. Day 1 may as well have been a DayVig on BM, and this is just an extension of Day 1.

I haven't really paid attention to War and Peace, but Ircher does seem oddly less active than I've seen in the past, and the fact that they forgot they were big targets seem weird. I got lost in the conversation a bit, but did they claim responsibility for lack of Night 1? I felt like that might be a rule Titus had personally since it seemed like an odd role to use on Night 1 for town, especially after only 2 days of game play and a mountainous amount of focus on one slot. Loss of night served no town benefit at the very least other than to cite my example above.

[Toogeloo]

My phone loves to auto correct vig to big.

[Toogeloo]

Honestly, is Saudade leading because they are scummy, or because they are a toxic player being policy'd?

[Toogeloo]

What's with all the secret identity stuff?

[Toogeloo]

bm's new icon is throwing me off
maybe that's why you all killed him

I kept thinking he was Not Mafia for the longest time. People without avatars bug me.

[Toogeloo]

I at least commend Ircher for reading more of the first 25 pages than I did.

[Toogeloo]

I don't really understand how the charts clear anyone. You think Titus is actively avoiding engaging her teammates, this making higher interactions more likely to be town?

The Gunsmith claim is whatever. The only hiccup scum would encounter with claiming it would be falsely stating a vig doesn't have a gun. What essentially amounts as being a cop claim came at very little resistance, like a flat fart. I agree with the sentiment that they probably should have been arguing more about not being vigged, but they've also stated completely ignoring they were a target at all.

[Toogeloo]

So Toog. Welcome. Got reads for us?

I have copies of Moby Dick, A Tale of Two Cities, and Catcher in the Rye on the bookshelf behind me. Take your pick.

[Toogeloo]

Do you think Mafia are the ones calling the shots or are in the need to push someone right now? The day just got skipped and town is without NAR and a break to analyze things. This is not just at me, I mean in general. I would very much expect scum to just lay low and then hope town pushes a bad lead again.

I think, depending on Nancy's Mason choices, scum could very likely be steering a great deal of conversation. Influencing things they want us to see. If Nancy has aggressive Masons, then scum might be hiding a bit more, but if Nancy's Masonry is a little more..."meek" then it gives scum plenty of leash to work with and keep some conversation where they want it.

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Side note: Because I keep paying close attention to Sherlock and Watson, mainly because I feel strangely bothered by how nice they are being to my slot, for some reason I have started looking at Morty (and Rick) as Moriarty.

/tangent

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Side note 2: Batsu reminds me a bit of mastina from Pooky v Flava. Going ho on Day 1, causes BM to get poofed, and then goes into a more passive state. Thought it was an interesting parallel. Batsu is towny, as was mastina in that game, and I just think it was interesting.

/tangent

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I feel like Nancy deserves all the thanks I can give her since I honestly don't have a clue how I am being townread without her help. Either that, or I am being buddied hardcore by some slots.

I still defer my vote to Nancy to use how she wants me to use it. However, I think I would place it on one of War and Peace, 5uffering, or Moriarty. Less inclined to push Gamma at the moment than I was earlier, I've actually liked some of their last few things. cliff seems like the current target, I wasn't even aware they were playing. I've just been glossing over a lot of the same names with inflated post counts.

That's about all I have after my quick skim from my last post.

[Toogeloo]

*clidd

[Toogeloo]

Morty is a bit too nonchalant with there game presence. Not very aggressive, but still a presence. Kind of in that calibur of hiding in plain sight for scum.

[Toogeloo]

Clidd and Toog faking a 1v1 is interesting.

Where did I try and 1v1 clidd?

[Toogeloo]

Like clidd came out of nowhere and voted me, while all I said is that clidd seems to be where people want to focus right now while my thoughts were on other people.

When you're constantly skimming through content, there are certain players you end up forgetting about because they aren't as present in the walls of text. clidd was just someone I forgot about. Red Eye Knight too lol.

[Toogeloo]

batsunami if you think 3 people are scum and then they start voting each other as is the case with clidd toogeloo and i
you shouldn't try to fit conclusions to us still being scum and why that means we're bussing or faking 1v1s
you should reconsider your reads and realise that's unlikely

Why do people keep including me in this threesome of people voting each other?

[Toogeloo]

Simply put, political play is trying to pander your reads to the more vocal masses without inciting the ire of any vindictive players... Just like real life politics.

[Toogeloo]

wait knowing what's going on might pollute my 1000000% rapid speed catch up ugh

Good luck with that. I've still only actually read about 22% of all game posts, with most my focus on whatever the current conversation is.

[Toogeloo]

Simply put, political play is trying to pander your reads to the more vocal masses without inciting the ire of any vindictive players... Just like real life politics.

don't you mean

panda

your reads
damn, i'm hilarious

[Toogeloo]

If the 5suf wagon was before, I would probably participate, but I don't think he's scumposting rn.

They aren't scum posting anymore, so less likely to be scum now?

[Toogeloo]

This is my current, very basic, reads-list...

Town-leans

Sherlock and Watson
Batsunami
Olaf
Pink Ball

Untrusted/Leary

Gamma
Moriarty
Starcrossed
Italiano

Scum-leans

War and Peace
5uffering

Anyone not listed, I've not paid attention to, haven't ISO'd, or just don't have an opinion.

[Toogeloo]

Anyone not listed, I've not paid attention to, haven't ISO'd, or just don't have an opinion.

So - a little under half the game?

~w

Well... Compared to the amount I've actually read, I feel like that's pretty good, I guess.

[Toogeloo]

I'm way behind. What'd I miss? Nancy you want my vote anywhere?

[Toogeloo]

Skimming now.

[Toogeloo]

Might be a blessing that Noraa replaced out. She produces a lot of noise. I don't like seeing players have temper tantrums like that though.

[Toogeloo]

I get mafia can be frustrating when people don't see what you see, but that's also the fun of it too. It might make you rethink your reads, or at the very least allow you to get that, "I told you so moment."

[Toogeloo]

5uffering
Gamma
Dunnstral
W+P

These seem like very safe scum reads :\.

[Toogeloo]

Olaf is definitely higher up on my town reads. I'd be inclined to say Starcrossed is scum here.

I think Gamma's discussion about Noraagate might also be town-perspective. I don't think scumGamma would interject nearly as much, as I see Gamma more as someone who revels in drama as scum.

[Toogeloo]

@mod: I'm going to limited activity for the rest of the night and all of tomorrow. I will be in the hospital undergoing extensive nerve testing. Don't fret, I'm not getting the impression anything is wrong.

[Toogeloo]

You’re an idiot. Get a fucking grip.

Easy...

[Toogeloo]

I don't think scum stoops to this level of AtE, Nancy.

[Toogeloo]

Nancy, I feel like you need to let this game go into Night. It'll give a moment's respite, and you have some PRs who might help bring you new Focus Day 3.

[Toogeloo]

Ok, well, I don't think ScumGamma does this. Maybe a person by person basis, but there are certain lines that don't get crossed by most players.

[Toogeloo]

We had a wagon on 5uffering?

I want to be careful because of BM miselim. They are also making a lot more sense here, than that scumgame of there’s I ISO’d where they were just spouting pages and pages of nonsense.

You can't let it grip you. If you are looking at the current game state, we've basically killed motivation on all fronts because everyone is waiting on you and your direction.

Sometimes you just have to take a leap and then deal with the new hand your dealt.

[Toogeloo]

This is the day that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Some people started playing it not knowing what it was and we'll continue playing it forever just because [repeat].

[Toogeloo]

I with I could mafia black on mobile. Even though my profile has mafia black set, it automatically uses sepia or scumobile when on my phone.

A lot of mods lately keep using fonts or styles that are to read against it.

[Toogeloo]

*...that are hard to read...*

[Toogeloo]

Deadline is in 1 day, 10 hours, 29 minutes

It's almost here!

RHEEEEEEE!!!!

[Toogeloo]

My vote is yours Nancy. I'll put it on the name of your choice. You want it on Italiano?

[Toogeloo]

My vote is yours Nancy. I'll put it on the name of your choice. You want it on Italiano?

Yes please and any thoughts you want to give about 4800, please feel free.

Vanilla Cop on me is just fine, I wouldn't mind being confirmed. I think the rest of the actions are fine, though I think a vig should still happen regardless.

I do think such a long day has potentially revealed your masonry to Titus and her scum team, if you have one.

VOTE: Italiano

[Toogeloo]

Look ma, I finally voted!

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo

Spoiler:

When was the last time you saw Toogeloo at the top of a readslist? When I read Toog's post, I feel like he is not just speaking from his heart, he's speaking from mine.

Toog isn't just town. He is the visionary thought leader we need. He's constantly down on himself, he's always doubting his reads and engagement, but his reads and play in the last booney game were actually excellent, the one thing he lacked really was conviction and hope.

What's also nice is, I think I can put Toog at the top of this readlist, and that will not change whether Titus kills him or not.

Well I for one believe in Toog. Look at that heart in the image I selected for him. Look at that cute dress. So town.

Fey

Spoiler:

I feel really good right now about Battle Mage and the Shadowslug hydra just because we all had the same take at the exact same time. It felt like all went 'huh' naturally together, and it made me giggle.

Oh, okay!!

So pure. So town. Fey is the obvious town we need, even if she's not the obvious town we deserve.

Putting aside the tonal stuff, which is VERY town, can we talk about the actual content? I feel like I vibe pretty much every take at the start of this iso. Why are people entertaining worlds where Fey is not town? Fey is town. Say it out loud: Fey is town. When you hear it in your ears you will know it in your heart.

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)

Spoiler:

As the claimed mason that Nancy has not denied being mason, I don't really need to put Morning Tweet or Noraa anywhere particularly on this list. IF I was placing Noraa and Tweetie off play, they would be at the top of the list. The only reason I didn't put them at the top of the list is because I feel like Toog and Fey NEED it more. They need that energy.

But Noraa also needs energy. NORAA <3

TWEEETIE <3

I'm really enjoying being masons with you :3 :3 :3

P.S. Tweetie I can't believe you actually asked me about self-meta this game, I'm going to pretend you didn't

Dunnstral

Spoiler:

I've been trying to decide how much Dunn internalized being murdered by me on day 1 of Titus v. Alisae; he seemed to at one point indicate some lack of reaction to it/not seem to have thought too much about that game, and he argues his meta read % on me isn't as high as I think which is interesting. Still, I'm putting Dunn more here 'politically' I guess you could say. I don't think Dunn ever opens this game, as scum, pushing Penguin when the reason we killed him day 1 of Titus vs Alisae was for pushing/discrediting us early.

He did then move off us, and I have felt like he's unsure. I do feel like he's looking at other slots putting us in their poe, like Morty and Rick, and maybe having an internal conversation about my alignment. I think Dunn being paranoid of me this game makes sense and I think Dunn backing off and continuing to evaluate my slot makes sense. I guess you could say, I think his paranoia feels natural for someone that knows that Nancy always picks me for mason, so while there's a world where he is trying to fish whether I'm actually a mason or not by PoEing me, I think that world is extremely unlikely given my sense of how he would play after Titus v. Ali. I think there's another explanation for his continued paranoia despite, as Tenet demonstrated, him generally having a good readrate on me.

That and I just, really don't want to always spend every game thinking about Dunn's alignment so I'd like for him to be town and to have been correct and assertive about that read for once.

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)

Spoiler:

One of the reasons I'm writing this list. I'm not sure I actually feel more confident on this read than Akarin, but I'm positioning W&P above Akarin on this list rn more as an indication of what I think this gamestate needs more than anything else. I've recently seen Ircher 3p and I've seen Sam scum PR and I've seen Sam as '1-shot' TPR. This does not feel like Sam's scum PR game at all; she was very much 'in the shit' that game and aggressively obfuscating the gamestate with mech shenanigans. She has presence as scum, she is not a potato scum player. Now, I get why people might get thrown off, because she *also* has presence as something like a 1-shot suiciding TPR. But I've been thinking about that game, and I feel like being a TPR that dies if you get a guilty means she needed to be extremely proactive day 1 on her solve to feel like she was playing the game. She also was in a hood that game and had some additional information on the gamestate as a result. They are playing very passively here; at first, I thought that meant that they were just VT and didn't have the 'edge' on the gamestate as much. Seeing the gunsmith claim though, I think that fits what I think is going on with the setup really well, I think being a 'strong' TPR matches their overall level of presence in the sense that they were okay being in the wider PoE so they could avoid a nightkill over the masons.

I also don't think Sam was like, shitposty or moonlogicy almost at all as scum PR and so stuff like viewtopic.php?p=12608522#p12608522 just feels like a heavy townspew.

Red Eye Knights (Aristophanes + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)

Spoiler:

I don't think Akarin is actually under any pressure right now, otherwise I probably would have put this slot a lot higher.

In any case, Akarin is actually kinda a sweaty scum player and stuff like 942, 949, and 967 are tonally strongly town indicative.

Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)

Spoiler:

I'm mostly putting Auro this far down the list because he clearly WANTS to be this far down the list, and I'm just assuming people won't notice that despite being in the middle of the list I'm actually calling him naked town here. I also want to make sure I get this read in early because I'm sure as soon as mastina says anything this game I'm going to have to downgrade them to an actual null and/or scumread.

Although Auro is certainly capable of shitposting as scum and it's usually safer to just like, ignore his first 20 posts in the game until he has something resembling content. The fact that he has no content this far into the game in the main game thread only means one thing. AND THAT'S THAT HE IS MECH SCUM. THAT'S RIGHT TITUS, BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THIS ONE COMING, I TOTALLY SCUMREAD AURO!!! HEAR THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:3

SaraharaS

Spoiler:

I feel like more of my read for this slot is like gambling or playing the stock market than based on the content of the slot, which is like.... fine?

But real talk, this is like, "would Titus use a 4th pick wild card pick on this" -- and I don't think so. Titus *loves* pts and *loves* people who will talk in pts and even for like "lol no one would think I'd pick a lurker" wifom moonlogic, I don't think she'd sacrifice her own enjoyment of the game simply to pick a wifom lurkerslot. I'd put this slot higher just for that reasoning but I do need to see enough content to actually get a better feel for it.

Gamma Emerald

Spoiler:

Generally speaking, there are very specific tonal things I can get from Gamma that usually will give me a very hard townlock on him if he is town. I haven't gotten those yet, which means I need to evaluate him by other means, but that doesn't mean he's scum at all. His presence and engagement with Saudade is probably the most interesting thing about the slot. In *most* circumstances, I would say that conversation, particularly Gamma's presence in the conversation, was *strongly* town indicative. The main problem here being that I know Gamma is actively trying to improve his scum game and so, probably moreso than any other player in the list, there's the plausible concern that if Titus was offering to coach him, he'd take her up on it. I also know that Saudade *loves* to get into prolonged 1v1s with scumbuddies so that's something to watch for. Still, *usually* Gamma flips town here. I just don't want to lose to another coached scum player like I fucked up my read of GX in Tenet, so I'm a little more cautious here than I usually would be with Gamma, even though my gut tells me he could go higher in this list. I actually moved him up and down like, three different times putting this together.

Olaf

Spoiler:

I can't believe Alisae is letting this obvious shellyc alt into the game. I mean could it be more obvious that Olaf is shellyc? No. No it couldn't.

Anyway, discussing my read on this slot hinges a lot on discussing ShellyC's meta, since this is clearly shellyc. But basically although this slot's play would like, almost always make me think town if it was anyone else, since this player has INFINITE SCUM RANGE I have to keep the snowman below null JUST TO BE SAFE.

Real talk though I wasn't particularly a fan of Pyro's readslist in 2326 and although this read is half joke I can actually see this slot flipping scum. I say that even though, obviously, yes a lot of Pyro's content was like... pretty good and this would obviously be a good slot to resolve with a gunsmith check or something because I'd feel really bad seeing a greenflip on olaf just because I don't like some of pyro's reads.

Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)

Spoiler:

Honestly I don't know what to do with this slot. I townread Kanna's posts generally speaking but I think I'm like, intrinsically biased to townread anything Kanna says regardless of her alignment, and I'm actually a bit worried that "Mitsuha" is outposting Pooky for like, most the game it feels like? idk I feel like I *felt* this was townier but looking back through isos I was like, where the fuck is pooky lmao. I know he's posting, more than some single heads in the game even, but by pooky standards this is like Diet Pooky

Clidd

Spoiler:

I know I've actually played with clidd before, maybe in a newbie or something (I think he was nk'd?) but for some reason this feels like my first game with clidd. I'm not sure I know how to read him yet. The dedicated Saudade tunnel I think could swing either way.

The most AI thing for clidd for me right now is more the way he positioned himself on W&P, particularly Sam. I think the way they've played passively, and Sam did have some like, objectively weird posts that I think scum are very likely to grapple onto, would make Sam a tempting early push for clidd. I also haven't liked how through his Saudade tunnel he's been like, kinda putting me in his wider PoE even though I feel like I've been pretty supportive of the worlds in his solving outside of his Sam read. To the extent that I can remember the newbie game, which honestly I don't very well, this does feel different.

ItalianoVD

Spoiler:

My readrate on Italiano isn't that great yet. It's *possible* he would be interjecting himself into more conversations as scum and be more proactive, but I can also see him cooling off a bit. I don't really think he's outside his range one way or the other and Watson's early reads sometimes are pretty good so I'm inclined to keep this pretty low in the list. If he flipped town I wouldn't be surprised, but I think he could flip scum pretty easily.

5uffering

Spoiler:

First off, am I correct that 5uffering is a stealth alt that knows fey's (another stealth alt's) main? Wtf is up with that?

In terms of content, this is half political scumread half real I guess, in the sense that without more flips I play like nancy in suspecting the people who say they suspect me or aren't finding me town. (Shoshin says this is not correct and that scum are more likely to townread me, but Tenet demonstrated this is not the case and that people attempting to discredit me or keep me in the PoE very often are scum, particularly if they are scum and think they can foster the towncred to ignore it).

I do think the weird logic of 1065 to 1067 is more likely to come from town, but some of his other content just bothers me. I don't like the way he positions Noraa as hard town (putting the mason claim aside) but then says I'm scummy for the BM push, and I really don't like 1069 and the elimination order of "social" players. I don't see how someone puts me before Saudade in a flip order, I didn't like that from 5uffering and I also didn't like Pyro-slot agreeing with that.

Basically, I think the way 5uffering has been saying stuff is a little townie, but I think the stuff he is saying is scummy. In terms of the claim, I feel like he could easily just be scum trueclaiming? And if he is a scum vanilla cop, then that would explain why he is efforting as much as he is this game, probably moreso than if he was really a TPR? I've been trying to get a firm read agreement with Watson here since I don't think we want to hard dive this slot until we're both pretty much on the same page, along with our other mason buddies of course (adding that joke just for you 5uffering <3)

Saudade

Spoiler:

Unlike BM, I don't feel more confident on this slot flipping scum from the replace out. Saudade is kinda a snowflake and would replace out as either alignment here I think. If I had thoughts that he'd rep out as one replacement over another, I'd keep them to myself anyway, but I'm functionally ignoring it. This is a player I would absolutely have liked to have resolved mechanically during night 1 and that night 1 was skipped and I couldn't just hold out that hope means, idk, I'm half tempted to treat this protracted second half of day 1 like a dayvig so that we don't have to keep wondering whether Saudade would leverage toxicity for scum wincon (spoiler: I've modded him, and he would). Saudade *can* be scum here. Saudade could also be town. Watson thinks this is an above rand hit, and while we're still working out the exact ordering of our PoE I'm not sure I'm so much more confident on anything inside {5uffering, Italiano, clidd, Pooky, shellyc} that I would want to go on the over this right now. Mostly though I just think it's easier to think about the game without having to think about Saudade's alignment, and I don't mind giving 5uffering *a night* to see if scum kill him or something, or see if scum kill W&P which I think would make evaluating 5uffering easier.

I kinda doubt Nancy is interested in doing the shellyc alt today but I think we're willing to work with her on any of the bottom five. Watson I think is still catching up on some stuff but I think I'll post this here so he can see where I'm at.

-S

[Toogeloo]

I suspect scum need to start shading me as a mislim for their wincon.

[Toogeloo]

Toogeloo what do you make of Dunny thinking you were crumbing dayvig?

Thought it was a bit of a stretch tbqh. I think Dunn was quick to assume I was talking about them also when I said scum needed to start shading me when War and Peace was shading me only a few posts above my observation.

[Toogeloo]

Also why/how did your read on Sherlock change from looking at them closely because they're too nice to you to top townread

I think it's a misinterpretation on your part.

[Toogeloo]

Scum are messing with your head, Nancy. My vote is still yours to use though. If you want me vote for myself, I will.

[Toogeloo]

Do you honestly believe we have 7 vts in this game?

Depends on the power in the game. Do we know for certain we have a protective to stop scum kills, so maybe they don't have a RB/Strong.

Tell me whom amongst the 5 vt claims you think is scum here and why.

Who are all the VTs? I can at least tell you which I like the least. You said 7, now it's 5. 5 seems totally reasonable for what it's worth.

I also think Krazy trying to push Clidd to “get Noraa out of [his] head” looks pretty damning for you.

I have no idea what that's about, really. I mean you interpret whatever you want however you want. Much of my stuff has been misinterpreted, so I think what's happened is you have gotten to the point that you are over analyzing posts and drawing conclusions out of non-existential intent. Scum is likely heavily influencing this on you as well.

I've been thinking that you've had multiple scum in your ear since S&Ws flip.


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Kind of funny that Sherlock and Moriarty died together.

/tangent

[Toogeloo]

As you said, you don’t believe we have 7 vts either.

I didn't say this, and it seems to be a recurring theme that people say I say things I don't.

[Toogeloo]

As you said, you don’t believe we have 7 vts either.

I didn't say this, and it seems to be a recurring theme that people say I say things I don't.

So you think 7 vts are believable when Ali v Pine - the versus game with the highest number of vts had only 5?

If you don't have a masonry, or maybe just one person in your masonry, then sure.

[Toogeloo]

I get the feeling MT is scum here myself for ~reasons~ and they're in my PoE rn

MT was the Batsu slot, and it wouldn't surprise me if scum got that deep into Nancy's pockets lol. Probably explain the day 1/2 and flipped script going into today.

Of course, Nancy hard defended me as town Day 1/2, so...

[Toogeloo]

Who's the gunsmith? I think Nancy should execute them.

[Toogeloo]

If you don't have a masonry, or maybe just one person in your masonry, then sure.

[Toogeloo]

I really have no interest in sitting here the whole day phase while Nancy drags this out for another 180 pages. If you're going to execute me, I'd rather it be sooner than later.

[Toogeloo]

Any reads-list I give you is flawed from the fact that I haven't read moran 70% of the posts in the game. My gut and perspective say W&P and Tweet are scum.

I think Batsu got in your pocket early.

I think the gunsmith doesn't exist alongside the Vanilla Cop, and I think the Cop is townier.

[Toogeloo]

So yeah, I'm not even looking at VTs as scum.

I don't think you have more than 1 mason (and I've been thinking you actually have 0 tbqh), and I think we have a lot of VT fillers as a result with all your 1 shot powers.

[Toogeloo]

Why does scum need a strongman/roleblocker? Why can't town NOT have a protective?

Let me give you a different perspective.

You had a near 200 page day 1.5 that led to 2 town mislynches. You don't think you are being led by scum in some manner? And your solution is to lynch someone who had probably the least effort and influence in the first 200 pages AND will likely give you no info regardless of their flip?

[Toogeloo]

Koba... did I miss why you scanned W&P last night? Were you in game when Nancy asked your slot to scan a VT claim (I was begging to be scanned)? Were you aware that W&P claimed Gunsmith, which would make them an extremely suboptimal Vanilla scan?

PEdit: Why does a scum want a Vanilla Cop to waste their action on a non-vanilla role? Seems obvious to me. It's not like Vanilla Cop gives alignment, and if you can keep Vanilla clears to a minimum, it keeps the limpool larger.

[Toogeloo]

@Toog can we get a readslist from you, thanks?

I will put a disclaimer ahead of time that my reads in each section are in no particular order. Apparently you guys think that in a category something at the top means strongest, which for me is never the case. The strongest is the category itself. If I want someone to know who my #1 town read is, I'll emphasize it.

Town for sure:

Fey
Pink Ball

Town-leans as of right now

Clidd**
Olaf
Dkkoba

PoE

Morning Tweet
War and Peace
Starcrossed
KidAmn*
SaraharaS*
Red Eyed Knights*
Dunnstral


*means I actually have like, zero, read on this slot at all. I don't pay attention to them, and I have literally no idea what contributions they have to the game. I pay attention to Nancy, and a bit of the conversation that is happening when I am actively there, and I have skipped everything else.

**has a good chance of actually being near town for sure based on interactions with scum, but I haven't paid that much attention and to the slot and it's more of a guess.

[Toogeloo]

Hey like... in two lines or less... why is a scum strongman/roleblocker suggested? Two lines or less please I don't need a big explanation I'm a fast learner I swear

Nancy said a Protective on Morty and Rick was required, but they died anyways. So Nancy assumes Strongman/roleblocker.

[Toogeloo]

Alright I think it's clear I'm never getting caught up here. I guess I'll drop that dream and get something done in here.

Nancy, I see your vote on Toog. Is that the preferred Lim today? There are 7 days left at what point would you like him pushed to E-1 for a claim? I ask so we have the time to pivot if required.

Titus, you not having a vote down is ???
Why not? I'd love to see whatever obfuscation you're gonna try

Morning Tweet, is the vote on us because of inactivity or an actual case? I was scumreading you before disappearing so I'd rather we work this out than end up in some sort of stalemate of a scumread.

Wagons geing all over the place is interesting. I don't know what it tells me other than town is lost and Titus is doing her job very well lol

All for now. Sorry again.
- Darth Roast

This post lol.

The slot of ambivalent oblivious player is already filled by me. You can't try to one up me.

[Toogeloo]

Prod dodge post. Just waiting on Nancy to tell me where and when to vote.

[Toogeloo]

Need Nancy to make a decision. Stop being wishy washy.

[Toogeloo]

Can you tell me more about your PoE particularly Tweetie? I guess any of the slots you don’t have asterisks on would be helpful.

Nope. PoE is simply scum could be any of these slots since I don't townread them above a null stance. Asterisks are simply people I haven't paid any attention to and probably wasn't even aware of their existence in the game at that point.

Since that post, I've liked Starcrossed more, but probably because they are actually reading me correctly. I'd move them up to town-leans.

Why is S & W your #1 tr?

Why do people keep asking me this? There are 4 people in that grouping, and those were

leans

at the time of posting it, at which point I'd read even less of the game then as I have now. If I recall correctly, I put them there because they were town reading me instead of setting me up for mislim, and they were vocal. But as I've mentioned before, a name in a list of names at the top =/= #1, and again for emphasis, I hadn't read much of any of the game and had at best on leans on slots, which is just barely higher than null.

[Toogeloo]

Misinterpretation of my posts has been highly evident today.

[Toogeloo]

Do you have all the info you need yet?

[Toogeloo]

I'm not going to replace out, but I'm extremely overwhelmed in real life right now, and way over gamed in mafia. I also haven't been feeling like playing the past week or so. I don't know if it's a slump or just exhaustion, but I probably need a break after I finish my current games.

[Toogeloo]

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

[Toogeloo]

Why did you ask for the gunsmith to be executed?

Because I thought it was scum.

[Toogeloo]

I feel like my reads were pretty on point for how little I actually read. My exile was pretty dumb IMHO, but we still won. I had little to do with the win, but I'll take it none-the-less.

[Toogeloo]

Roflmfao. Let me see if I understand this.

-Koba has an actual VANILLA clear on me (despite once again picking an extremely questionable night choice).
-Koba attempted to scan REK but got me instead, and knows they got me because my name was in the result.
-REK died, so the consensus is that SCUM bussed REK and Toogeloo, and shot Toogeloo.
-Despite my clear as being a VANILLA, I must be Mafia Vanilla.
-Which means that for all of this to come together, I SHOT MYSELF last night? (Unless you believe that the Scum Bus Driver multitasked).
-To reiterate, you all believe SCUM SHOT ONE OF THEIR OWN MEMBERS IN ORDER TO KILL REK AFTER BUSSING THEM WITH ME.

There is Moon Logic, and then there is acid-tripping Moon Logic while munching shrooms and drinking Jim Jones kool-aid. This would obviously be the latter.

For posterity.

[Toogeloo]

Just make the Town stump a Neighborizer.