Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

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I don't care that much since we have a solid townbloc, but it's a little unfair how some of you are bending facts trying to justify weak scumreads. Just say you're townreading the rest of the playerlist more, that's not only more than enough, but something you can't argue against so it makes the game easier

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Good one Pyro

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I'm not, I really think it's Sarah and not clidd, and if I'm right, that vote just makes my paranoia around you fade away

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It was a 'oh sweet you're town' kind of post

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I'll redirect my paranoia towards Fey

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Asking permission to hammer

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Is that a yes then?

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VOTE: Saraharas

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VOTE: KidAmn

Get me out of here so Nancy has to actually stop and think, thanks.

PEdit: And maybe don't post Pepes thanks.

That's the gif that Ali has sent us like every single day/night start except this one

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Titus real talk. Do you think you can win this still? It's looking complicated

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@Nancy at this point I think the game is already won, but we should have a plan for how you want LyLo to look like.

LyLo pool would be Dunn, KidAmn, clidd, Pyro and me.

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@Nancy at this point I think the game is already won, but we should have a plan for how you want LyLo to look like.

LyLo pool would be Dunn, KidAmn, clidd, Pyro and me.

Why Dunn?

Because he's not conftown like the two players I left out of the LyLo pool? This is a PoE list

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Don't you think that Kid is the last scum, Pb?

I do, but if the game's not over after that we need a plan in case we lose our conftown players

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We could talk about balance if you like. What make more sense: that clidd is the bus driver and we have both a rolestopper and a doctor (even and odd night), or that one of the latter are lying and are the bus driver and clidd is vt?

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@Nancy at this point I think the game is already won, but we should have a plan for how you want LyLo to look like.

LyLo pool would be Dunn, KidAmn, clidd, Pyro and me.

Why Dunn?

Because he's not conftown like the two players I left out of the LyLo pool? This is a PoE list

I was more referring to the order. Dunn has a much better ISO than either of those two. I think all 3 of you are town: you/Pyro/Dunn.

It wasn't ordered in any way, it was the five players who aren't conftown, nothing else.

And yes, I do think that if we eventually go to LyLo, those three players are going to be in it, and I'm scared about that 'cause I've been pushing Pyro since forever and I don't know if I'll be able to be fair and re evaluate at that point

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No, I'm townreading Pyro. But I'm townreading Dunn too. That's my point. Maybe I'm over complicating things and the game just ends when it will obviously end

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Pink Ball, can you actually go over your theory of why you thought the Battle Mage launch happened because he was sus of me? Can you highlight the posts or things that made you think that was the case?

Yeah I'll do that during this phase, good idea

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Also, what did Dunn do last night?

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I'm saying this more for Pyro's benefit, honestly! I don't want him to get scumread in the game I really, really think he's town.

I'm not scumreading him...........

I'm saying that I'm fucked up if I end up in LyLo and have to choose between them. Like hopefully I have to 1v1 one of them instead but I don't thinkt that would be the case

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Nancy what's your point

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Last time I say it: I'm townreading them both. I think scum is between KidAmn and clidd, most likely clidd because of balance, most likely KidAmn because of play. I'm JUST SAYING, that in case they aren't scum, then It'll be a complicated LyLo. I'm NOT SAYING I'm scumreading one of them at the time and I'll end thinking they're both town

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Last time I say it: I'm townreading them both. I think scum is between KidAmn and clidd, most likely clidd because of balance, most likely KidAmn because of play. I'm JUST SAYING, that in case they aren't scum, then It'll be a complicated LyLo. I'm NOT SAYING I'm scumreading one of them at the time and I'll end thinking they're both town

I'm also here right now. I lean Dunny as scum over you though ftr

THAT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL HGAKGJAHRG

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Ok ok Nancy you'll have to MVP the shit out of LyLo if it comes to that.

I think it's KidAmn

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I'm glad this is public info rather than something i need to guess about. Kinda seems like Titus doesn't want us to take Kid out of the PoE, but WIFOM so whatever

That would be a funny plan to have scum!Kid self-vote then proceed to have Titus continue to be concerned with what I'm doing to try to save them from being elimed

So the scumteam is essentially completely immune to our protectives and is also capable of ruining my checker ability

:I

Protect the scum, they're probably bus driving themselves

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I think this has turned to be a pretty obvious decision

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Did we win??

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Wow Pink Ball is obvtown! In other news, the sky is blue.

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Morning Tweet
War and Peace
Starcrossed
Fey
Dunnstral
Gamma
Toogeloo
And you're going to fucking hate me for this but
Italiano
5uffering

Yup, I think we're hitting town today.
Biggest scumread is AkAri still so I'm happy my first impression was right
If AkAri flips scum, Sherlock and Watson are scum too.
I want to read Pyro/olaf closer but I think Battle Mage being pushed on D1 to oblivion is more related to his read on Pyro than Noraa's push on him, 'cause Noraa's case was bullshit.

TBD:
Morty and Rick is someone I want to townread but don't want to call a townread before reading his early presence. I would expect Auro to lead the game a little more 'cause he's a pain in the ass as town, we share that trait. I liked what I saw from mastina last time I checked, with the Titus draft analysis. I expect her to approach the game like that to get engaged as either alignment, but the conclusions seemed genuine and not trying to push a rethoric to start aligning miseliminations.

clidd is in my blind spot right now but shouldn't be a problem. I do think that, because of personality traits, Titus would work very well with someone like clidd, but I don't have an in game read right now so I'll leave the speculation for when I actually read clidd's ISO.

I already suggested that there's at least one of Nancy's protégés that will flip scum. Now that I know that Ari is scum I think it could be not one, but two, with Sarah being my best guess. But look at that, it's the word guess! What that does mean? Well, that I have absolutely nothing to back that read up other than disliking the whole "V I B I N G" sharade 'cause it feels like Sarah is just posturing; waited until the game was settled in, saw what Nancy's approach was and began to create the perfect mindmeld with the townstump. Based on the current gamestate where I think we're pushing three town wagons, this is currently a very promising theory, but then again, it depends too much on other slots' reads, so it's not good enough by its own.

And that's the entire list. 9 towns, 3 scums, 3 nulls. Since AkAri is scum and that spews S&W scum, I'll say that if I'm wrong in one of my scumreads, it's olaf. If I'm right about the three of them, I'd tend to think clidd is the last one because hey I'm on a roll so let's keep going and pretend my townreads are all correct and I'm a big star! But if I'm wrong on olaf, which there's a high chance I am, I'd look again in my townreads to see where could I be wrong. The list is in no particular order, I started writting them based on the playerlist on post 0 and then went by memory so it's messy. But I would have to read 5uffering's ISO which is something I've been avoiding to do. Charlie and Snoopy was townie enough to make me believe that there's no need to read his entire ISO, but since I wasn't here early game, it could be me putting too much weight without context/real time reading.

I'm going to sleep now. My next step is making AkAri's scumcase. Thanks to everyone for the 24 hours, now I feel more part of the game and have a better shot of being helpful.

If you still want to end the day by elimming one of Italiano/Gamma/5uffering, by all means, go for it. I don't know who has more chances of being scum of the three of them; I think Italiano's frustration towards Nancy and the other two points I already brought up are good enough to make me think he's town. Although I disagreed at first, I think Toog's point about Gamma is very possibly true: chiming in about Noraa's replacement was impulsive, and keep going for it was prideful, two things I would expect Gamma would try to avoid; I don't remember who said it 'cause I read too damn much right now, but said that Gamma looked like he was trying to be careful about his reads, only commenting on current conversations but not giving insights of his own/scumhunting; well, this impulsiveness is the opposite of that. Then again, that is a valid reason to scumread someone, so now that I'm writting this lines, if you want to go with this PoE, I'd eliminate Gamma ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Charlie and Snoopy had only 15 posts to say what they thought and they are all fully packed with insights, reading the game with a town mindset. My only concern is the lack of an actual vote, 'cause he called out a lot of players for different reasons but didn't stick with any, so it seems like leaving their options open.

So as you can see, I'm not really concerned if you want to flip Gamma/5uffer. I agree with everyone who has said that they could be useful flips. BUT, if you do want to wait to see what I want to say about AkAri, that would be even better! A useful flip that could go either way is still worse than an actual scum flip, even more when, from my perspective, those useful flips, even if useful, are still most likely town.

Once again, thanks for the 24ish hours. Good night. Papa bless.

Just wanted to remind you that I made this post after catching up. I was wrong about WP and Ari (honest mistake since he was a mason) but other than that my reads are anti scum as hell. Read the Sarah's argument, the one I've saying since the start, at a time where Sarah was one of Nancy's protégés, and you'll realize that I simply cannot be scum, and not only that, I've been crushing them one by one.

This is in case Pyro is planning to push me in particular, because the 'I think I know who the last scum is' is the oldest strategy in the book to buy some time and to create expectation, so Pyro, think again who you want to 1v1 on your last day.

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I'm partially force you to state now who your scumread is, Pyro

Pedit oh ok

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Very anti climatic

7 out of 10

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Don't worry I'm the biggest pro eliminate Pyro since the very moment I repped in and I still want to read your case

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If Dunn is the last scum, even if you die today, we need that case for LyLo. Dunn will have to decide who he wants to 1v1, and a case by flipped town!Pyro would be helpful

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God the whole mason talk that Krazy did was so fucking cringey. Sorry had to take that out of my system, but I started scumreading him back when I asked about claims done in the game when I repped in and he said that Noraa claimed masons, probably waiting to get a reaction from someone.

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Let's get things straight, Nancy: Krazy stating who should be vigged, gunchecked or whatever is no indicative of anything 'cause there's a bus driver. I don't think you can speculate towards night actions, but rather day actions. And that's why clidd is town, and that's great. But if you want to decide between Dunn and Pyro, I think you can't just call one or the other town or scum because of what Krazy was saying about night actions

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@Dunn, this night you got an action, right? How about you fucking save yourself by catching the bus driver and protecting them since they're obviously switching places with their nightkills?

There's no way the busdriver shoots themselves, right? Haha

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My suggestion is to not eliminate the next 2 days and see if Dunn can save someone tonight in case he's town. The problem is obviously we lose an elimination, and if we're sure it's between Pyro and Dunn, then let's just go for it

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But if Dunn is not scum, tomorrow's LyLo, and I'm pretty sure it's gonna be me deciding between clidd and Pyro and huh boy

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Lord give me strength

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And maybe more alcohol

Or less?

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Sorry to ask this, just paranoia hitting: what's all the evidence we actually have about the existence of a bus driver? Just the list, no analysis

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Oh, right, Koba knew it was Toog.

That's still odd, but ok I'll take it as Koba wasn't making a gamble or something.

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Moving on

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Your case relies too much in two factors: associations that the most powerful scum role would avoid having; and your own charisma.

I'll make a case on both of you and decide who we are eliminating today.

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Why Pyro can't be scum:
-Would have had to hard bus War and Peace and caused them to be launched
-Would have had to bus Sarah
-Had Sherlock suggest vanilla cop be locked to checking Pyro
-Claimed VT with a known vanilla cop around, and not nightkill that vanilla cop for several nights

Why Dunny can't be scum:
-???

We don't know what the bus driver did on N2, and my theory is that, if you're scum, you bus drove yourself with Auro

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Pink Ball, you have to jump over all these hurdles to think I'm scum. Why didn't I just claim any old PR while knowing there was a vanilla cop around as the bus driver? Why did I push War and Peace out when Nancy was against it and was going for Toogeloo that day? Why did Sherlock ask me to be vanilla copped?

I understand you have a gut or soulread, but please look at all of the things you have to make explanations for to consider me scum, and apply occam's razor with deadly force.

On the other hand, we have Dunny, who I have very clearly outlined is scum and why with my case. I truly believe all of those reasons are really good and I'm very confident on him being the final scum.

I don't think your case is "clearly outlining Dunn as scum", and I'm not jumping over any hurdles to scumread you. My job is to vote one of you two and I have more reasons two townread both of you rather than scumread you, so I need REALLY good reasoning behind a scumread to decide which one of you is the last scum, and that good reasoning will only come from me.

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If I apply Occam's Razor on you, I'll apply it on Dunn too, and your case 9n him is full of assumptions that have simpler explanations.

Give me a case with Dunn's agenda. If you can't do that, then I'll do it. And with your agenda too.

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Makes more sense to me that the last scum would be all over the place than being silent

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Sorry, I don't mean to poke fun at you. I think you handwaiving my case with a single line and then saying you would decide on the elimination today has sent me into a spiral of floof.

That's exactly what I wanted. You need an antagonist.

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Put my shoes for once. I don't know why you care that much about being limmed today if that means limming Dunn tomorrow. I get the pride thing, but to me it looks survivalistic, while the other dude seems not to care

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Nancy chill

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My paranoia is over the woof

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And Pyro wanting Dunn to be limmed today and not tomorrow pings me as that the scumteam could win today and not tomorrow. That's why I'm concerned

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You know that deep inside I think you're town and I wouldn't be doing this if I didn't

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I have Titus in my head. No, I have Pine in my head, and it's killing me

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I don't think most bus drivers carry a trusty revolver for special occasions

Not the bus driver, but Titus. I don't know what Titus ks doing

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Nancy please, those speculations are good as any

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Ok thanks, I remembered Pine having some mechanics towards his role, one of them being able to send messages

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That's a good point though; it was a really flimsy reason for Sherlock to townread Dunny for, simply because he was voting for him and Sherlock WIFOMed "oh, he wouldn't scumread me as scum again"

It's an easy way to townread a partner. Oh, ALSO, Sherlock has like this policy almost where he tends to OMGUS even if he doesn't believe in it for gamestate reasons. The fact he didn't to Dunny is also very telling

Yeah that is kinda damning

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Me no likey

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Pyro are you absolutely sure you want to do this? You're not convincing me tomorrow, you're just postponing the inevitable, just borrowing time.

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Ok, I'm not fighting it, but I'm not joining it either. Convince Tweet the conftown and clidd the better player than me to do this. I can't

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I wanna be part of it

VOTE: Dunn

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Sorry I realize you were waiting for something but I didn't want to miss the chance of hammering

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Ez

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I was townreading you after your Dunn case, Pyro, but I needed to be sure in case it was clidd and I had to choose in LyLo. Good job not only becoming obvtown so close to LyLo, but also being right before even getting there.

Happpy for you Nancy, and for being able to contribute to this win!

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AH SHIT I EXPOSED AN ALT FUCK

Lol I saw it, I was like "wait who?"

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Nice hammer, Pb.

I'm glad we won and no paranoia about scum!Morning, scum!Pyro or scum!Pb scenario has come true.

Quite a pleasurable hemorrhagic experience, I would say.

I had to put a lot of effort to ignore what I felt was pocketing from you 'cause you made no sense as scum

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Wait, AaronFuckingFrost was in this game?

It was actually shellyb, she had a permission to play this game and now she's gone forever, again

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Make it a scum stump vs two town stumps, no masons