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[Mistyx]

bout time

VOTE: jake the wolfie

[Mistyx]

if you're trying to pocket me, you'll have to try harder than that :p

[Mistyx]

i don't get what you mean by that

maybe it's for the better, depending on your definition of "special"

[Mistyx]

tea sounds nice!!

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VOTE: chk

i dont think you got a post restriction

vax, is there a reason you're pushing for flavor claims?

[Mistyx]

i think it's too early to correlate not townreading with scumreading

unless i'm misunderstanding you?

[Mistyx]

VOTE: chk

i dont think you got a post restriction

vax, is there a reason you're pushing for flavor claims?

CLAIM OR DIE!

nope!!!!!! >:D

[Mistyx]

i dont think flavor would be alignment indicative

it seems kind of silly to draw that conclusion!!

[Mistyx]

Also curious why Porken/Mystix were both so evasive about role claiming if they both feel its non-ai here.

well, there's a simple reason

i didn't feel like it!

[Mistyx]

i dont think acting performative in rvs is really a solid basis for a wagon

VOTE: uncrowned

i dont like that you just hop in and follow a wagon without other thoughts provided!!

do you have any individual takes on anyone?

[Mistyx]

*@mystix*

if you feel marks behavior is null then what are your thoughts on the rest of the marky mark wagon comp?

is naked voting scummy to you?

not inherently, no

but i think uncrowned handled it in a scummy way here, since it was just a follow and devoid of any further content

[Mistyx]

thanks...?

[Mistyx]

You're welcome!

What do you think about the votes on me?

no strong feelings

[Mistyx]

*@mystix*

if you feel marks behavior is null then what are your thoughts on the rest of the marky mark wagon comp?

is naked voting scummy to you?

not inherently, no

but i think uncrowned handled it in a scummy way here, since it was just a follow and devoid of any further content

Isn't "devoid of further content" just the definition of a naked vote? I am confused as to what exactly you found scummy about Uncrowned's vote specifically.

For now,

UNVOTE:

well a naked vote and then continuing to do stuff isnt scummy

but a naked vote then doing nothing is

[Mistyx]

I can promise you flavour is NAI.

You don't get to be a boss and be town aligned if it wasn't :D

well it depends which boss!!

[Mistyx]

Just saying Flea the Magician does not turn good at any point in the game :P

well you had to submit multiple picks so i was thinking you might have gotten a different boss :P

[Mistyx]

'They are doing pro-town things, but it might be scum doing it for towncred' (my verrry loose paraphrasing) feels like a pretty thin justification for a vote on someone lol

That “lol” looks forced.

lol

it's bad that i want to townread this right

[Mistyx]

lol

[Mistyx]

i think fidget and cassowary are town

my issue with uncrowned's follow up posts is that they're focused on his own slot instead of trying to sort any others

so i think it's fair to keep pressuring him until that changes

[Mistyx]

Oh, were yoou the one who eh-disbelieved my restriction?

Eets not as exaggerated as I was in those first posts. It's actually only once every three lines I need an accented Dexter-like mannerism. It's actually really fun. And interestink. That counts. I can eh-do it less but I was just excited to see my fave kid cartoon picked.

You always so pleasant?

actually, that was me who disbelieved it

partially because i figured if someone would have a post restriction it'd be me, at least based on flavor :P

and you don't seem like someone who'd fake one for the sake of it as town

[Mistyx]

So you were of the behleef that I would do this for some eh-nafarious purpose, or am I misunderstanding?

yep

on my homesite scum used to fake post restrictions for towncred in upicks

i'm not actually sure why it worked, but it did :P

[Mistyx]

I didn't give this tons of thought earlier, but the self-justification is mildly ++SR. It's pretty easy to string an argument together along the lines of "scum!me would have done XYZ instead"

Again, this is something that a townie can 100% do.

What is your Mafia experience like?

Are you going to give actual reasons for your SR or are you going to keep coming up with NAI stuff that you're conf!biasing into a bad read?

do you have reads so far?

[Mistyx]

UNVOTE: uncrowned

this level of effort is what i was looking for earlier

i'll read up in-depth shortly

[Mistyx]

ok i went and read uncrowned's posts in detail

i feel very good about my unvote now

[Mistyx]

VOTE: JTW

don't like their post towards vax early, it felt like a discredit attempt for the sake of it

in fact i would go so far to say it gives jake and porkens w/w equity :O

[Mistyx]

Ever been friends with a god?

not yet but maybe someday soon!!

[Mistyx]

i could potentially vote porkens here but i'm more interested in seeing if a jake wagon goes through for the time being

[Mistyx]

Turin Turambar and Porkens are being replaced.

rip

[Mistyx]

Mistyx is feeling newbscummish? Hmmm.

i'm not new, only this account is

[Mistyx]

Page 2. You haven't lynched Fidget. This is why you fuckers don't deserve democracy. Luckily glorious leader is here.

We aren't executing Fidget until you fall off your high horse and die.

why are people not willing to wagon this slot?

[Mistyx]

VOTE: JTW

don't like their post towards vax early, it felt like a discredit attempt for the sake of it

in fact i would go so far to say it gives jake and porkens w/w equity :O

@jake

[Mistyx]

like, you aren't making reads, but you're trying to push stuff as if you are

does that make sense?

[Mistyx]

oh greyice was porkens

that slot might be scum then

[Mistyx]

VOTE: JTW

don't like their post towards vax early, it felt like a discredit attempt for the sake of it

in fact i would go so far to say it gives jake and porkens w/w equity :O

@jake

like, you aren't making reads, but you're trying to push stuff as if you are

does that make sense?

What do you feel I have been pushing lately?

trying to pressure tw without a read, trying to prevent greyice from wagoning fidget

[Mistyx]

Page 2. You haven't lynched Fidget. This is why you fuckers don't deserve democracy. Luckily glorious leader is here.

We aren't executing Fidget until you fall off your high horse and die.

so then what do you call this?

[Mistyx]

*@GrayICE*

you said you saw a town tell from 15's first post. What was it?

NK15 scumread Vax for role hunting without even mentioning a third party possibility. If NK15 was mafia-scum and Vax was not mafia-scum, that means he scumhunted Vax without mentioning the only actual possibility that Vax was scum - despite rolefishing being a good scum tell of both the mafia and third party variety. Very high likelihood of coming from town.

why do you think he can't have just lied about thinking vax was scum?

[Mistyx]

also, it's entirely possible that not known has tmi that there isn't a 3p

first one to figure out how gets some points

not town points, but i'll be impressed regardless :P

[Mistyx]

Lol, are you always this abrasive? :P

Oh god no. I'm super chill nowadays.

Wouldn't mind having a genuine discussion about things with you though, seeing your thought process.

PEdit:

Scum are trying to mimic basic scumhunting, yes? Also, scum tend to make posts as genuine and honest as possible to mimic their town selves, therefore most scum who attempt to post scumhunting are engaging in scumhunting - something they have far more experience with than playing as town. As you said, rolefishing is a really scummy thing for town to do. Now if NK15 is mafia, he'd know if Vax was mafia. Lets say NK is mafia, and Vax is not-mafia, and he notes that Vax is rolefishing, which is something scum do. How could Vax be scum and yet not be mafia?

why do you think he can't have been jumping on something from someone who isn't mafia that he thought looked scummy?

or maybe if he was scum, he was making a legitimate scumread, and just didn't bring up the third party concept?

[Mistyx]

i think the issue with jake is that he just

isn't solving

[Mistyx]

Uncrowned (1): Flea The Magician
Marky Mark (1): Not Known 15
Jesse Pierce (1): Jake the Wolfie,
Flea The Magician (1): Kop
Jake the Wolfie (4): Mistyx, mathblade, chkflip, grendel
Not Known 15(1): Marky Mark
Kop (1): cassowary
Mathblade (2): Jesse Peirce, GreyICE

Current votes as far as I can see @ just over 2 days out

@People voting Jake - do you actually think he is scum here and think scum would play like this?

my last experience with him that i remember was him claiming scum in f5 and then subbing out as the last scum

so yes :P

[Mistyx]

No. If he wants to be elimmed then we give it to him. No reason not to as explained before about vengeful.

Consider this:

Hypothetically, I am a Mafia Vengeful.

then we kill a mafia, obviously :P

[Mistyx]

jake really shouldn't be getting a pass because he's acting like a jester!!!!

it's an easy scum tactic to avoid suspicion, he's just creating wifom to try to divert suspicion

[Mistyx]

i have no preference either way

i wouldn't mind continuing to play but i don't want to hold the rest of the game hostage

[Mistyx]

good news guys

[Mistyx]

well theres also bad news which seems somewhat evident

but theres good news regardless!

[Mistyx]

also its pretty clear why vax wanted everyone to flavorclaim early

should we follow up on that?

[Mistyx]

said good news is that this is 8v3 and not 7v4 or 7v3v1

so we have two chances to miselim and not just one!

[Mistyx]

I dont have... well worded thoughts per the new flips. I have to think on a couple things.

-/-/-/-

pre-edit

Thats factually true and not just an observation? (Is it safe to ask how you know?)

i saw it in a dream!

so yes, it is factually true :D

[Mistyx]

honestly, i've basically already flavor claimed if you're familiar with my character at all :P

i could make it more obvious if anyone wants though!

[Mistyx]

honestly, i've basically already flavor claimed if you're familiar with my character at all :P

i could make it more obvious if anyone wants though!

I’d love your reads actually more.

But keep that in mind for tomorrow. :)

i don't have much left over from d1, it's mostly a blur honestly

i guess looking back i didnt really like flea's approach to the jake wagon + push on math

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I mean my approach is that I straight up didn't like the wagon, and I stayed away from it. I still get the Mr Meeseeks vibe from Math but amma watch some more before I act on that today.

alright

why

[Mistyx]

my issue with your slot is mostly that you've been commenting on stuff, but you've felt almost scared to push any of your reads

does that make sense?

[Mistyx]

okay

i think i might be able to resolve this tonight, not certain

let me think for a bit

[Mistyx]

inb4 cassowary says something about me saying something similar once before when i was guiltied as scum lol.

?

[Mistyx]

kop was a much more sensical vig than vax

grendel, do you have a flavor that can fly?

[Mistyx]

I'm busy. Not reading all those pages closely but I from what I've skimmed, it's between Grendel and Math?
I think Math is scummier but depending on mech, that could change.

You should like read lmao.

I really don’t like this post.

Seems designed to avoid a prod dodge

i think that's the point regardless :P

[Mistyx]

jesse wagon is okay but i'm not completely sold there

i'm more comfortable with it as a pressure push than an actual one with intent to elim

[Mistyx]

jesse wagon is okay but i'm not completely sold there

i'm more comfortable with it as a pressure push than an actual one with intent to elim

You do realize that by calling something a pressure wagon, you remove pressure from your vote, right? Wait, of course you do. Everyone instinctively understands that. Town are irritated by people not posting much because they can't read someone who won't post, and because it's inherently irritating to think that you're being beaten by someone not playing the game.

A "pressure wagon" is a notice to improve or die, and it does nothing without the "die" portion.

But man, calling something a "pressure vote" sure gives you a good excuse to make a vote then back off as soon as you need to, right?

I think I've been overlooking someone here.

oh, i am saying improve or die

but it's improve or die later, not improve or die now

[Mistyx]

to clarify, i am oracle yeah

[Mistyx]

Flea the Magician -- Day Action
GreyICE — Misc/Invest
Mathblade -- Invest
Marky Mark
Mistyx -- Oracle
Grendel -- Miscellaneous (vig)
Jesse
Dannflor -- Miscellaneous
Titus
Not Known 15
cassowary - Miscellaneous

I believe this is accurate please correct me if I am not correct.

Pedit what kind of questions can you ask Misty?

isn't the point of this not to reveal more than a basic amount of information?

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If you holster there’s no difference between that and elimming you.

The benefit it would give us would be seeing if there was still 2x kills tonight

without

grendel claiming to have killed anyone. If there is still 2x kills then grendel is v likely lying about being a vig, if there is only 1x kill then it corroborates grendel's claim

So either way, we would be able to make a substantially more informed decision about whether to elim grendel tomorrow

isn't the logic that grendel might be scum vig though

[Mistyx]

it has to be about the setup directly and not about the alignments of players or roles

it's sort of vague admittedly

[Mistyx]

it has to be about the setup directly and not about the alignments of players or roles

it's sort of vague admittedly

What question did you ask to determine it was 8 v3?

That seems you’d have to mention like how many scum there are no?

again, it's sort of vague

[Mistyx]

has anyone tried messaging the backup mod or getting their attention?

that might be worth a shot

[Mistyx]

i don't think the post restriction thing is explicitly ai, for what it's worth

i've had very little motivation to play because nothing's really been happening

[Mistyx]

i do think grendel is probably the correct kill here

i honestly don't have much in terms of reads, this game has been completely demotivating with how slow it's been

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That Mistyx read is the spicy one I had because it only works if Grendel is SK.

really?

the logic seems to stand regardless, and if you're going to bring up valid reasons to not have me as clear i'd rather you work through them now

[Mistyx]

That Mistyx read is the spicy one I had because it only works if Grendel is SK.

really?

the logic seems to stand regardless, and if you're going to bring up valid reasons to not have me as clear i'd rather you work through them now

If Grendel flips SK the setup cannot be ask you said 8v3. That would be a proven lie which makes you scum since SK would be impossible.

no, i know

but i don't see why that not happening makes me locktown

[Mistyx]

So to summarize:

Alignment Chart
	MistyX-Town	MistyX-Mafia	MistyX-3rd party
Grendel-Town	Multiple vigs	Mafia tried to save a townie?	????????
Grendel-Scum	Scum-Vig	Scum vig+Gambit?	????????
Grendel-SK	Impossible	Scum trying to save SK?!?	It's one of those games

Why are you stating Grendel SK impossible?

He's not. It just requires Mistyx scum of sometype.

If Grendel SK, Mistyx likely thought

he

was pocketing a town vig and would be surprised by an SK. That's my thought there. Mystyx 3p with Grendel SK is stupid levels of troll.

(she)

[Mistyx]

if it helps i could flavor claim?

probably wouldn't, but i feel like doing it anyway :P

[Mistyx]

i'm waiting for clarification on my result

but i'm pretty sure it just outright clears grendel, dunn, and cass?

also i'm claiming jade harley, i'm a mechanics oracle with a 1-shot bp

if my bp is triggered i can't use my oracle ability anymore

[Mistyx]

as in your N2 result clears grendel, dunn, cass?

correct

i was told that there are 3 roles capable of killing in the setup, presumably not counting the mafia factional kill

though i don't know if cass or flea would count towards it

[Mistyx]

I did claim, I'm lavos and my power affects EVERYONE. :P

I'm basically a night disabler :3

including the scum factional?

[Mistyx]

Spoiler: relevant video

@flea

[Mistyx]

as in your N2 result clears grendel, dunn, cass?

correct

i was told that there are 3 roles capable of killing in the setup, presumably not counting the mafia factional kill

though i don't know if cass or flea would count towards it

Uhhhhhh...

That's me, Dunnstral, and Grendel.

/facepalm

you said you were a tracker in your role summary though?

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Three roles that kill in the setup.

Wait, is that what you got last night? In ADDITION to the layout? Or is that how we got "3 mafia, no SK"?

So Grendel has a kill, Dunn has a kill, I have a kill.

Cassowary, do you transfer the kill (like kill that would kill you now kills your target)? Or kill your target directly?

layout was night 1

kill roles were last night

[Mistyx]

Question is, is that accounting for mafia killing abilities.

i'm running under the assumption that there are three mafia

and with two dead something would have to be very strange for those three to be the three

[Mistyx]

ok

cass and flea would not count towards the 3

so it's greyice, grendel, and dann - all three are confirmed to be killing roles

[Mistyx]

Mistyx has been skulking since Friday btw

shenanigans occurred

i may have forgotten about this game but im back now

[Mistyx]

exciting

[Mistyx]

hello

ok nothing is happening so im just gonna

VOTE: cass

[Mistyx]

Misty and GICE need to claim actions.

i don't remember what i asked but i didn't get an answer

since i rushed it by dl i assume it was an invalid question

[Mistyx]

i did not submit

good job me

[Mistyx]

i mean i doubt i could've gotten anything relevant from it

since i can't really ask about anything alignment-related, only roles

[Mistyx]

Hehe sorry gypyx <3

Ok well we gotta find 1 in 4 and today is a nolim situation

Mistyx and GreyIce need to start high efforting.

honestly my motivation is just kind of

gone

and has been gone

flea, if you're a treestump, why do you have a vote?

[Mistyx]

oh

wait didnt you claim treestump

[Mistyx]

oh ok

remind me to read over the flipped scum for associations

[Mistyx]

misty come talk to us plzzzzzzzz

im playing mario

what's up

[Mistyx]

Until next time but Greyice's scum read on me is garbage.

only mention on a currently living slot from tw/jesse/vfp slot

probably a decent look for grey?

[Mistyx]

pooky hammering titus is a good look as well

so like

[Mistyx]

@mod

is the mafia factional kill mandatory?

[Mistyx]

i see a lot more mentions of greyice from jesse slot that just that...

?

[Mistyx]

oh i cant read

still seems like its pretty unlike that that post goes to a partner

[Mistyx]

oh i cant read

still seems like its pretty

unlikely

that that post goes to a partner

fixed

[Mistyx]

if gice cleared pooky then either it's gice and therefore pooky is town or the clear is legit and pooky is town

i have

nothing more to say at this point tbh

i'm leaning towards it being flea based off of info from dead mafia isos

[Mistyx]

see thats the thing, mechanically assuming all claims are true, I'm your only option, same as you're my only option.

well yes

if we assume gice is town that happens

but if we dont then he's an option as well, correct?

[Mistyx]

yes

that's a fair case

but also not a mechanical one

[Mistyx]

didn't solitude basically already replace in

should probably ask them

[Mistyx]

this entire game feels like we r stuck in purgatory

i find this a believable theory

[Mistyx]

i probably should have submitted actions the last two nights whoops

are you going to post the rest of the rolecards?