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lmao apologiesIn post 5916, Ydrasse wrote:oh god don’t remind me of that game LOL
i wanted to claim like, rber? but i wasn’t sure if that was something town had often so i was scared
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haha i just found this oneIn post 5490, Chara wrote:
unwnd has me on a leash, so i suppose i have to support this.In post 5486, unwnd wrote:Anyways just please kill Tweetie and for Tweetie if you read this you seem like a really nice person but I gotta play to my wincon and that means killing scum
ty unwnd i appreciate it-
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Idk you're the same as jigsaw as far as i can remember and i do see you truthfully claiming your scum JoAT role. i get that you probably scumclaim all the time n shit as town though, and maybe you havent had as much time to play i guess for other content stuff. Not really much more than thatIn post 5924, Firebringer wrote:why do u think im scum-
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Uh well i feel i need the most help with Skitts, Chara, and Glory/Mel if you have any nice reads on themIn post 5932, Firebringer wrote:
I am always in jigsaw mode.In post 5929, Morning Tweet wrote:
Idk you're the same as jigsaw as far as i can remember and i do see you truthfully claiming your scum JoAT role. i get that you probably scumclaim all the time n shit as town though, and maybe you havent had as much time to play i guess for other content stuff. Not really much more than thatIn post 5924, Firebringer wrote:why do u think im scum
yeah i get u but at same time don't think we properly had much engagement either way here. If u want some content u can give some players for me to give opinions on.
I'm struggling hard to decide on the first two and im struggling to even get a read on glory at all-
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Anyway im consistently landing on scum within Ydrasse/Xtoxm/Fire but that probably just speaks to giving townreads way too easily more than anything else. I am genuinely concerned now that Xtoxm's role is kinda structured in a way that lets him give invest results very... slowly...
Now I feel like im spam posting unnecessarily, i was only doing that cause i felt entitled to it as like a last meal type deal but now idk
I guess i can bump Glory down cause scum can't just be the 3 that i basically know the least content of. I just didnt want to read their posts
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i think the point was to highlight my wagon mate, and you were on itIn post 6021, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:See Skitter posting #2352 instead of #2518, makes it look like I was still on Tweetie when. I was tr her at the time I was voting unwnd, so it pings as a possible attempt to shade me for voting her because she posted that but not the final vc.-
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Your vote switch is not important, considering unwnd was never going to be eliminated. What speaks louder is that i was the only person who had any semblence of a chance to be eliminated besides Dann towards the end of that day, at least as far as i can remember. I was the counterwagon, not unwnd.In post 6034, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:
That was precisely my point. Why do that when she was pushing me for defending Dann while I switched to unwnd in the final vc?In post 6033, Morning Tweet wrote:
i think the point was to highlight my wagon mate, and you were on itIn post 6021, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:See Skitter posting #2352 instead of #2518, makes it look like I was still on Tweetie when. I was tr her at the time I was voting unwnd, so it pings as a possible attempt to shade me for voting her because she posted that but not the final vc.
I don't think you're scum but yeah the VC before final is more important than the final
additionally it seems like you suspect skitts on the basis that she is scumreading you for trying to defend/dissuade from Dann, whilst she did precisely the same thing. Mm, maybe. Just because she did it herself doesnt mean she cant suspect you for it, though. working against a scum elim is always bad regardless of who is pointing it out. I do think if skitts is scum she's forcing this read on you but at the same time I really haven't bothered to read you two's lengthy interactions, i just felt it wasnt going anywhere discussing the read further-
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I just said why it's more important. Your vote swap didnt matter, but your vote on me did because I had a chance of going through. She was highlighting my wagon, it's NAI cause her point is that her scumreads voted for me. It makes no sense that she'd highlight a VC that doesn't show what her point isIn post 6036, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:How is the vc BEFORE the final ever more important than the final? Yes that’s again my point, it’s blatantly hypocritical of her to sr me for that when she was clearly hesitant on voting him herself.
And that once again is also my point because posting the D1 vc BEFORE the final looks like an unfair attempt to shade me because she didn’t include the final.
Being hypocritical isn't really a scumtell im familiar with. Also i can recall the point of the game skitts is talking about, where you vocally didnt want Dann end of D1, whereas i dont really remember if skitts actively fought it so much as doubted it. Could be wrong though-
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I really dont feel like arguing about it with her chara
if you want my fuller take, i see now skitts did actively push Dann at one point end of D1 and although she had posts that were hesistant, she never actually tried to block it like Venus did. So it's not really hypocritical anyway. But again, it doesnt really matter for me to talk about i dont think it helps-
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I see, so Venus feels that skitts' hesitation was a cause for them trying to block the Dann wagon, so it is odd for skitts to turn around and suspect Venus for going along with what skitts said?
In this quote at least, it would appear that her first post (2493) was generalized, and then the second was her replying to Venus engaging her first. Venus implies in 2495 that she is curious abt whether skitts was agreeing with her townread on Dann or not -- to which, skitts replies she simply has her own doubts.In post 6024, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:In post 2493, skitter30 wrote:fl u sure u wanna end on dannflor?
And then there’s this. Nothing about either of these posts by themselves is suspicious, what clearly is her her sr me for trying to stop his wagon.In post 2497, skitter30 wrote:In post 2495, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Are you having doubts on your read of him or did you agree with me when you clicked that link?In post 2493, skitter30 wrote:fl u sure u wanna end on dannflor?I'm having doubts abt the consensus formed on him
So Venus' hard tr on dann was before this interaction, skitts makes no mention of Venus before then, and Venus is the one who reached out to skitts first here
Yeah I think I'm still missing it i think. I'm sorry-
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So skitts wasn't the cause, but skitts was pouring fuel on the flames. To that I would say, that's not really necessary for scum!skitts to do. Also, Dann was pretty dead at this point of the day I think. So I would ask, why does skitts do this?
But i suppose the point is that skitts "fueled" your doubts, and then scumread you later for your doubts/tr on dann. To that I would say i think it is unlikely skitts intentionally tried to get you to doubt Dann, especially considering you were already townreading him a lot prior-
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(reading catboi 6012 into 2848)
i had no idea Dann was so familiar with my town!MO. Seeing this (from catboi's 2848) makes me realize i missed almost every single dann post D1In post 1969, Dannflor wrote:I'm not the biggest fan of catboi but I doesn't seem like anyone really shares that opinion
honestly I mostly want to vote Titus right now
I'm interested in scum reads on Morning Tweet because I don't really see anything that sticks out as not within town!Tweet's MO
Now what id like to figure out is if catboi is genuinely reading Dann interactions, or if he's scum with Dann and knows exactly what interactions Dann was trying to force so he's using them. A little bit late, i think catboi made that post like D2, but yeah
Catboi's idea is that Dannflor fell behind and overwhelmed by suspicions fast, so he had to turn on the anti-associative mode prematurely. Okay
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I don't think Dann messed with his interactions an abnormal amount, so this theory sounds good but doesnt seem true. I suppose given Titus and me being town, I could have already known that, but whatever. Now what's more important is whether or not catboi came to this c conclusion as a result of reading through Dann rather than through malicious intent -- I have two thoughtsIn post 2848, catboi wrote:Not to kill the funtime vibes, but I went through Dannflor's ISO to scrape for any sort of interactions, and this is what I came away with. My theory is that Dann made a few posts when the ame was in an RVS-ish state, fell behind, and came back realizing he was under pressure and in trouble, and so deliberately started forcing interactions. I also think scum are more likely to have voteparked Dann rather than defend him after FL publicly voiced suspicion, it's too risky to have moved off. I'm not saying Dann interacted with all of his teammates, In fact I'd say for sure there's a scum in the people he didn't really interact with at all, but right now it's easier for me to look at the info on people he DID interact with.
On one hand, I do not think that Dann was intentionally messing with his interactions a ton -- he was never under guaranteed kill pressure. Honestly, the stuff he got i think could actually be less than what ive gotten at times. And what skitts has got. And so on. I think if he were manipulating his interactions, then scum!catboi would be in a better place to know how to exploit that. i dont think that has happened though
However, i do think the naked vote on me after only questioning SRs on me was out of place. I was not a wagon at the time. He had no build up. The only thing that triggered it probably was Hop vocally suspecting me so much prior. So i can reasonably buy that seeming like just a really strange interaction. Also, catboi feels scum was likely to votepark Dann due to a fear of looking back down the line, which is what i did. I think I can reasonably buy that catboi believes in this theory. I dont think this was orchestrated by dann-catboi, if catboi is scum this was done in retrospect
MMm I can reasonably buy the read on me, I guess that doesn't make catboi town by default but it's a start. If we wanna talk catboi reads then we can think about what's more likely: Hectic is informed there are 2 VTs, or Hectic is informed there is 1 VT and instructs (or catboi decides) to instaclaim it (this was about 5-10 minutes after FL called for it). at a glance that seems like a good way to throw unnecessary suspicion his way while also making the miselim low stakes for town. it is also possibly worth noting that catboi claimed at 5 A.M in london so i hope for his sake that hectic wasn't awake at the time, so it'd have to have been pre coordinated, which I suppose is possible but is also a lot less simple than catboi just claiming it
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This post maybe doesnt lay it out so well but i think catboi is town, anyway. i think the way he has read me (and had read titus) is fair, it is reasonable to think that Dann goes anti-associative since he did have a great amount of pressure, but actually around the areas where he posted there were always 27,000 different things going on -- I think he did not know he was dead, that i feel pretty good on at least. the vote on me strikes me as very odd although i do think it was a serious attempt at killing me since there was quite a lot of suspicion there, I was a voter of him (which FL wanted to kill in), and Hop just laid out a bunch of reasons to suspect me as well. And then Chara was getting attacked before and after his posts too! But I think catboi additionally thinking scum voteparks Dann, plus me being strange, it just makes a lot more sense as a genuine scumread than something Dann did intentionally for catboi to point out.
Fully prepared to look stupid if catboi is scum though >x< The read on me making sense, thinking dann was doing anti's makes sense. And I dont think there was collusion between him and cat because i dont think dann was *actually* thinking he dies there for certain, he could have gotten me thrown out and i think that was his intention. okay im done
I don't have someone that I really want to direct the elimination to so /shrug-
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Oh, so I did understand i think. I have understood these two points from the beginning and I disagree with both. Skitts own read on Dann should not bar her from being able to suspect other players who defended Dann.In post 6060, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:I just find it disingenuous for someone who was actively hesitant on voting Dann, using that as a reason to sr me. I also feel that posting the vc while I was voting you but neglecting the final one was an obvious attempt to shade me unfairly.
But it’s the combo of those two things that is weirding me our more than anything else, to be clear.
Does she think I’m scum for trying to stupidly derail Dann or for being on Tweetie the 2nd to final vc. Sr me for BOTH of these things isn’t adding up for me.I see that she is using it as a reason to scumread youand i get that's the point, right? Not that she isnt allowed to scumread you, but that she is using it as a reason. In my opinion she still can because i think your defense of Dann was a lot more substantial than hers, and if she scumreads that, then she scumreads that. Skitts didnt actively try to switch the wagon at that phase of that game, and that is the reason she is using against you.
and I believe that the VC she posted was the correct one. She wanted to highlight my wagon, and she did. Why would she use the one without you on it? It doesnt make sense. the whole point is to show why she thinks I might be town -- because her scumreads (including you) were voting me! If she quoted the end of day VC, then that does not help her point. In a way, yes she is shading you kind of. But she already thinks you are scum and she is using that wagon to illustrate a greater point about her scumreads voting me on D1, so that only makes sense
I understand your reasoning if this is it summed up. i just disagree and i felt like we probably wouldnt see eye to eye on it. i'm sorry if i sounded dismissal i just felt like it wouldnt help either of us, cause i think skitts can be scum or town still anyway-
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That is likely because so far i have only been motivated to get a solve in or generally reread at all when im on death's door, so you're right there and that is atypical of meIn post 6111, unwnd wrote:
This rings in my head a lot though. Like, a lot. I think scum did not necessarily manifest this however. They're just working with it. I keep coming back to my Tweetie thought because her content all bares itself in the right moment, it never feels like it comes from a place where it's something she really wanted to say. AhhhhhhIn post 5981, unwnd wrote:artificial game state
i mean, i want to say what i say though so idk. I fully expected to die twice now, it is highly unlikely i'd bother to make that content as scum figuring im dead. Convenient maybe but also i didnt really expect to live past those posts cause i saw ydrasse was licking her lips for the hammer, i just needed one more to get there
If you're town which i lean it does feel that way yes, throw in Xtoxm and Fire as candidates tooIn post 6103, Chara wrote:i think Glory and skitter are scum. i suppose that's where i'm at, as much as i try to resist the latter. so i'm certainly in favour of a check there.
Starting to think my idea of the guilty is right which explains why it's been so hard finding scum at the bottom. it's prolly just 2 in glory/skitts/fire/xtoxm.-
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xtoxm/glory/skitts/fire crossed out thenIn post 6241, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think your list has potential to be all town, MT
star inno, morning innocent
unwnd/lunar/venus/Chara/ydrasse left over
i mean? There's already got to be one scum in that bottom group yeah. I guess i can be making bad townreads with ease but i didnt think unwnd/venus are scum at all, at least-
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lmfao i realized later i was taking catboi as town for granted and immediately knew ppl were gonna have a field day with that at some pointIn post 6248, Flavor Leaf wrote:
see, it's rough that you say this because it looks so scummy, but scum doesn't say this kinda stuff, but they kinda do. idkIn post 6246, Morning Tweet wrote:I did not consider catboi flipping scum, in my mind it's like 30% odds i guess
that would make it a lot more believable that skitts/glory/xtoxm/fire have potential to be all town -- then it just takes one wrong townread of mine in the bottom group
Lunar/MT both being town is something Hectic would definitely be taking advantage of too, so hmm
I think tomorrow's gonna be a good day
Scum in general can say shit like that yeah, but for me as scum i actually go over my posts to ensure nothing can be taken as a scumslip or whatever -- and as town, well, you see what happens-
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i didnt even notice this was too manyyy (*´ω`*)In post 6260, Genghis Khan wrote:Perhaps, it's debatable, though, very calculated, like scum-
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I have no idea what the fuck is going on with the claimed innocents and guilties. My guess at the guilty was Ydrasse because it seemed likely flavour would use a neighbourizer cop ability on someone he is unable/unwilling to read and also madly in live with. I have no idea if that is who he chose from my slight skim though
pedit: ty Lunar
I trust the more informed players can make a good decision-
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why do you think im scum Pooky this is out of genuine curiosity and for no other reason, why
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I am a bit surprised skitts is town, im prolly gonna chalk that up to me playing really fucking bad and making not only myself but the people i interact with appear to be obvious scum
Well
Assuming i understand stuff which i probably do not, Ydrasse was prolly fakeclaiming then and is indeed scum and maybe that is why she hasn't played the game for several day phases, if i were scum i gave assumed even faster that Ydrasse was the guilty assuming there was was
If you're currently just trying to decide whether or not someone did something fucky to ruin the loyal neighbourizer shot, i would occams razor that pretty hard especially considering there arent any counterarguments for Ydrasse being town that i know of.
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i feel like that shouldn't override how im way out of my scum range with how freely and easily i can post, my bonkers claim, my reaction to nearly dying twice (Yes, i really thought i was finished), as well as being scums elim choice and/or counterwagon to them several times over nowIn post 6682, Starcrossed wrote:
the same reason I thought dannflor and catboi were scumIn post 6676, Morning Tweet wrote:why do you think im scum Pooky this is out of genuine curiosity and for no other reason, why
I share a soul with hectic and I know who he would pick
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We probably ignored this bit up til now cuz i know at least i already addressed it. totally missed that part of chkflips pm thoIn post 4261, Morning Tweet wrote:Wording suggests that that loyal/disloyal will work normally on me, cause it only mentions that i screw with cop results-
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I asked the mod for clarification. If I were targeted in a way that ignores my ascetic part, I would resolve in a way that acts as if I'm aligned with the mafia. However, this was not specified to me specifically in my role PM the way chkflip's does.
soooooooooo yeah you make of that what you will
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Cause i dont think it matters anymore really. i dont believe awkward phrasing is a trait of my scum game on the largeIn post 7007, Venus Mars and Pluto wrote:I think that even if Krazy does verify inverted, I haven’t really been a fan of Tweetie’s posting in this game. It’s a very awkward way to phrase that question. Why not just say like why am I scum here or why do you think I’m scum here?
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you never really answered my question, sharing a soul with Hectic doesn't really do it considering he didnt pick meIn post 7004, Starcrossed wrote:
this is a "i don't know why i'm caught" scumpostIn post 6676, Morning Tweet wrote:why do you think im scum Pooky this is out of genuine curiosity and for no other reason, why
I can understand most of the scumreads but i am genuinely confused how ppl more familiar with my play can scumread me in this game-
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Hopkirk
Starcrossed (Pooky+Kanna Hydra)
- certain
Venus Mars and Pluto (Nancy Drew 39, Auro, and Shiro)
unwnd
Xtoxm
- confident
skitter30
Glory and Mel (Gamma Emerald+Alisae)
Chara
- better
Lunar Martian
Ydrasse
xtoxm being messed with by millers suggests town
assuming there's no bullshit godfathers suggests skitts' town although her top 3 suspects (Chara/Tweet/Venus) has a good likelihood of being all town so makes sense if you run out of leads i suppose
Ydrasse is either mech guiltied or not but either way has the most generic kind of boring claim, plays the way id expect a scumteam who is afraid of one being possibly guiltied would do, and may or may not be guiltied. also if she's town it confirms chara as town as someone mentioned
I dont rlly know that i think Lunar is scum cause i dont see why hectic drafts there and the reaction to the hood bs earlier. Xtoxm i suppose has a fair point that they stick out like a sore thumb in the setup though and might be overpowered. You can just leash this for now anyway though
i would say it's probably more likely just ydrasse plus a harder to get target but i suppose there isnt a great reason for Lunar town
Morning Tweet (4): Starcrossed, skitts, Venus, unwnd
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